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Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
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Silver rings a reminder of teens' pledge to purity
The Associated Press
May 27, 2005
TOLEDO, Ohio - When Katie Chromik put a silver ring on her finger and
promised at church to stay away from sex until marriage, her junior
high friends giggled.
"Some people have made bets on me that I'm not going to make it," she
said. "It just makes me more determined."
Pledging to purity may still draw snickers, but it's also gaining
acceptance among teens, especially those who attend Christian schools
and churches.
The silver rings aren't as trendy or flashy as the bright yellow
"Livestrong" rubber bracelets popularized by Lance Armstrong. The
rings are a subtle statement of a commitment to faith and virtue.
Teens say they're standing up to a constant barrage of sex-related
messages.
"It comes at you in every direction," said Kayla Ballmer, an
eighth-grader at Toledo Christian School. "Movies, TV, radio,
magazines. Even on clothing."
The movement is driven by Christian educators and faith-based groups
promoting abstinence education.
The Silver Ring Thing, backed by $1.2 million in federal grants since
2003, has expanded its reach in the U.S. and internationally. It has
grown most in South Africa where workers go into schools to teach
abstinence.
A year ago, founder Denny Pattyn took his message to England and
Scotland. Next up is a DVD-based program designed to reach an even
bigger audience.
The organization, based in suburban Pittsburgh, puts on road shows at
churches nationwide that include "Saturday Night Live" style skits,
music videos and a message of abstinence. Young people are given a
silver ring and decide whether they want to pledge to abstain from
sex.
Three out of four wear the ring, Pattyn said.
Critics say the message is too focused on abstinence. They say it's a
difficult thing to maintain and that once the promise is broken, it
can lead to unprotected sex and a higher risk of disease.
"The question is are they doing more damage than good?" said Deb
Hauser, vice president of Advocates for Youth, a group that promotes
education about birth control and condom use.
The abstinence-only groups, she said, teach young people that condoms
fail more often than they really do, which causes teens not to plan
for a time when they do break their pledge.
"It wipes out all the benefits of the pledge," Hauser said.
But Pattyn contends that the safe sex message taught in schools hasn't
worked. Young people ages 15 to 24 account for about half the new
cases of sexually transmitted diseases in the U.S. each year.
How the Silver Ring Thing program gets its funding is also coming
under question.
The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit May 16 that accused
the federal government of improperly using taxpayer money to fund
Christian religious activities in the program.
The Bush administration has increased funding for abstinence education
and emphasizes abstinence over condoms as the primary way to stop the
transmission of HIV and sexually-transmitted diseases.
The silver ring movement began in 1994 through the Southern Baptist
Convention's publishing house, Lifeway Christian Resources in
Nashville, Tenn.
It's True Love Waits program has reached an estimated 3 million teens,
said spokeswoman Kristi Cherry. Ring sales have grown by 10 percent to
15 percent over each of the last three years.
There's no standard silver ring. Some are engraved with scripture or
phrases such as "True Love Waits" or "Faith." Some are enhanced with a
diamond or a cross.
They can be worn on any finger or even a thumb. Teens also can declare
their intention via wrist bands, bracelets, pins, watches and
T-shirts.
Gina Layman, owner of Reger's Religious Bookstore in Toledo, stopped
selling the rings a few years ago because nobody wanted them. She has
brought them back.
"Now it's a cool thing," she said. "It's mostly the parents buying for
their kids."
Chromik, an eighth-grader at Washington Junior High School in Toledo,
said the ring helps her remember her promise to God and her parents.
"Every time I'm with my boyfriend, I look at that ring and it just
reminds me I'm going to be pure," she said.
Mothers and fathers slid the rings onto the fingers of 13 teens during
a ceremony at Mayfair Plymouth Congregational Christian Church after a
weekend retreat in January where they talked about sexual purity.
"They've really embraced it. I hear so many stories from the kids.
They all seem to know someone who's gotten pregnant. It disheartens
them," said youth minister Craig Marsee.
"Every time they make a fist or move their fingers, it's a reminder of
the commitment they made," he said.
Mike Ballmer, whose daughter, Kayla, took part in the ceremony, said
she took her decision very seriously. "I don't want to say it's a
fad," he said. "Maybe it's something the youth are finally starting to
see."
Yet pledging to purity isn't easy, teens say.
Boys are less likely to wear the rings even if they make the pledge,
said Ron Rightnowar, spiritual life director at Toledo Christian.
Even some girls decide not to wear them so they don't face any
questions or teasing, Kayla Ballmer said. "That kind of defeats the
purpose," she said.
Still, silver ring sales are strong.
Jerry Rady, a jeweler in Escondido, Calif., sells about 3,500 purity
rings a year, which accounts for nearly all of his business.
He made the first ring carved with the words "True Love Waits" in
1994. "It just took over the business," Rady said.
Rady's sterling silver rings sell for $35 while the solid gold
versions are priced at $245. The rings are popular all over,
especially in the Bible Belt states of Texas and Florida.
"It's part of the whole Christian movement," Rady said. "It's more
vocal than it used to be. They don't feel like they have to hide it.
"It wouldn't have worked when I was a teenager I can tell you that."
---
On the Net:
True Love Waits: http://www.lifeway.com/tlw/
Silver Ring Thing: http://www.silverringthing.com
JR Design Jewelry: http://www.scripturejewelry.com/
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| User: "Nati R" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
30 May 2005 12:43:00 PM |
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Silver rings a reminder of teens' pledge to purity
The Associated Press
May 27, 2005
TOLEDO, Ohio - When Katie Chromik put a silver ring on her finger and
promised at church to stay away from sex until marriage, her junior
high friends giggled.
"Some people have made bets on me that I'm not going to make it," she
said. "It just makes me more determined."
Pledging to purity may still draw snickers, but it's also gaining
acceptance among teens, especially those who attend Christian schools
and churches.
If they're snickering it's probably because they have plenty of
reasons to. As the mom of a teenager daughter who does plenty of
driving her and her friends around I can tell you I've heard stories
that would make your hair stand on end.
The girls who are pledging to stay virgins till marriage are just
engaging in other forms of sex. Pretty much everything goes except
vaginal intercourse. Anal sex is the new norm. And oral sex is at an
all time high among teenagers.
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their ring
thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old girl who
kept taking her to different doctors because her sore throat wouldn't
go away. They thought it was strep throat. The last doctor finally
found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
The silver rings aren't as trendy or flashy as the bright yellow
"Livestrong" rubber bracelets popularized by Lance Armstrong. The
rings are a subtle statement of a commitment to faith and virtue.
Teens say they're standing up to a constant barrage of sex-related
messages.
"It comes at you in every direction," said Kayla Ballmer, an
eighth-grader at Toledo Christian School. "Movies, TV, radio,
magazines. Even on clothing."
The movement is driven by Christian educators and faith-based groups
promoting abstinence education.
The Silver Ring Thing, backed by $1.2 million in federal grants since
2003, has expanded its reach in the U.S. and internationally. It has
grown most in South Africa where workers go into schools to teach
abstinence.
A year ago, founder Denny Pattyn took his message to England and
Scotland. Next up is a DVD-based program designed to reach an even
bigger audience.
The organization, based in suburban Pittsburgh, puts on road shows at
churches nationwide that include "Saturday Night Live" style skits,
music videos and a message of abstinence. Young people are given a
silver ring and decide whether they want to pledge to abstain from
sex.
Three out of four wear the ring, Pattyn said.
Critics say the message is too focused on abstinence. They say it's a
difficult thing to maintain and that once the promise is broken, it
can lead to unprotected sex and a higher risk of disease.
"The question is are they doing more damage than good?" said Deb
Hauser, vice president of Advocates for Youth, a group that promotes
education about birth control and condom use.
The abstinence-only groups, she said, teach young people that condoms
fail more often than they really do, which causes teens not to plan
for a time when they do break their pledge.
"It wipes out all the benefits of the pledge," Hauser said.
But Pattyn contends that the safe sex message taught in schools hasn't
worked. Young people ages 15 to 24 account for about half the new
cases of sexually transmitted diseases in the U.S. each year.
How the Silver Ring Thing program gets its funding is also coming
under question.
The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit May 16 that accused
the federal government of improperly using taxpayer money to fund
Christian religious activities in the program.
The Bush administration has increased funding for abstinence education
and emphasizes abstinence over condoms as the primary way to stop the
transmission of HIV and sexually-transmitted diseases.
The silver ring movement began in 1994 through the Southern Baptist
Convention's publishing house, Lifeway Christian Resources in
Nashville, Tenn.
It's True Love Waits program has reached an estimated 3 million teens,
said spokeswoman Kristi Cherry. Ring sales have grown by 10 percent to
15 percent over each of the last three years.
There's no standard silver ring. Some are engraved with scripture or
phrases such as "True Love Waits" or "Faith." Some are enhanced with a
diamond or a cross.
They can be worn on any finger or even a thumb. Teens also can declare
their intention via wrist bands, bracelets, pins, watches and
T-shirts.
Gina Layman, owner of Reger's Religious Bookstore in Toledo, stopped
selling the rings a few years ago because nobody wanted them. She has
brought them back.
"Now it's a cool thing," she said. "It's mostly the parents buying for
their kids."
Chromik, an eighth-grader at Washington Junior High School in Toledo,
said the ring helps her remember her promise to God and her parents.
"Every time I'm with my boyfriend, I look at that ring and it just
reminds me I'm going to be pure," she said.
Mothers and fathers slid the rings onto the fingers of 13 teens during
a ceremony at Mayfair Plymouth Congregational Christian Church after a
weekend retreat in January where they talked about sexual purity.
"They've really embraced it. I hear so many stories from the kids.
They all seem to know someone who's gotten pregnant. It disheartens
them," said youth minister Craig Marsee.
"Every time they make a fist or move their fingers, it's a reminder of
the commitment they made," he said.
Mike Ballmer, whose daughter, Kayla, took part in the ceremony, said
she took her decision very seriously. "I don't want to say it's a
fad," he said. "Maybe it's something the youth are finally starting to
see."
Yet pledging to purity isn't easy, teens say.
Boys are less likely to wear the rings even if they make the pledge,
said Ron Rightnowar, spiritual life director at Toledo Christian.
Even some girls decide not to wear them so they don't face any
questions or teasing, Kayla Ballmer said. "That kind of defeats the
purpose," she said.
Still, silver ring sales are strong.
Jerry Rady, a jeweler in Escondido, Calif., sells about 3,500 purity
rings a year, which accounts for nearly all of his business.
He made the first ring carved with the words "True Love Waits" in
1994. "It just took over the business," Rady said.
Rady's sterling silver rings sell for $35 while the solid gold
versions are priced at $245. The rings are popular all over,
especially in the Bible Belt states of Texas and Florida.
"It's part of the whole Christian movement," Rady said. "It's more
vocal than it used to be. They don't feel like they have to hide it.
"It wouldn't have worked when I was a teenager I can tell you that."
---
On the Net:
True Love Waits: http://www.lifeway.com/tlw/
Silver Ring Thing: http://www.silverringthing.com
JR Design Jewelry: http://www.scripturejewelry.com/
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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31 May 2005 06:57:11 PM |
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"Nati R" <natalie@soccer.mom.com> wrote in message
news:lijm919gsio41bs80vbm4g96s6e7qruhep@4ax.com...
Silver rings a reminder of teens' pledge to purity
The Associated Press
May 27, 2005
TOLEDO, Ohio - When Katie Chromik put a silver ring on her finger and
promised at church to stay away from sex until marriage, her junior
high friends giggled.
"Some people have made bets on me that I'm not going to make it," she
said. "It just makes me more determined."
Pledging to purity may still draw snickers, but it's also gaining
acceptance among teens, especially those who attend Christian schools
and churches.
If they're snickering it's probably because they have plenty of
reasons to. As the mom of a teenager daughter who does plenty of
driving her and her friends around I can tell you I've heard stories
that would make your hair stand on end.
The girls who are pledging to stay virgins till marriage are just
engaging in other forms of sex. Pretty much everything goes except
vaginal intercourse. Anal sex is the new norm. And oral sex is at an
all time high among teenagers.
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their ring
thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old girl who
kept taking her to different doctors because her sore throat wouldn't
go away. They thought it was strep throat. The last doctor finally
found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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31 May 2005 06:59:44 PM |
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"The other *****" <the_donald_13@yahooX.com> wrote in message
news:rR6ne.12159$PR6.7571@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Nati R" <natalie@soccer.mom.com> wrote in message
news:lijm919gsio41bs80vbm4g96s6e7qruhep@4ax.com...
Silver rings a reminder of teens' pledge to purity
The Associated Press
May 27, 2005
TOLEDO, Ohio - When Katie Chromik put a silver ring on her finger and
promised at church to stay away from sex until marriage, her junior
high friends giggled.
"Some people have made bets on me that I'm not going to make it," she
said. "It just makes me more determined."
Pledging to purity may still draw snickers, but it's also gaining
acceptance among teens, especially those who attend Christian schools
and churches.
If they're snickering it's probably because they have plenty of
reasons to. As the mom of a teenager daughter who does plenty of
driving her and her friends around I can tell you I've heard stories
that would make your hair stand on end.
The girls who are pledging to stay virgins till marriage are just
engaging in other forms of sex. Pretty much everything goes except
vaginal intercourse. Anal sex is the new norm. And oral sex is at an
all time high among teenagers.
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their ring
thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old girl who
kept taking her to different doctors because her sore throat wouldn't
go away. They thought it was strep throat. The last doctor finally
found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
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| User: "Jez" |
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01 Jun 2005 10:13:55 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their ring
thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old girl who
kept taking her to different doctors because her sore throat wouldn't
go away. They thought it was strep throat. The last doctor finally
found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking good has preaching EVER done ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 10:18:34 AM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their ring
thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old girl who
kept taking her to different doctors because her sore throat wouldn't
go away. They thought it was strep throat. The last doctor finally
found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile. Come back when you can act like a mature adult.
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| User: "Jez" |
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01 Jun 2005 02:45:04 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in
news:elkne.2152$fp6.1552@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their
ring thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old
girl who kept taking her to different doctors because her sore
throat wouldn't go away. They thought it was strep throat. The
last doctor finally found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile.
My mouth is fine.
But that doesn't stop me from fucking swearing.
Come back when you can act like a mature adult.
Go ***** yourself with a nice long spike, twat.
Oh, and keep your sick fucking religious drivel out of alt.atheism.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'- Howard Zinn
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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01 Jun 2005 05:59:41 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668D317F6842hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in
news:elkne.2152$fp6.1552@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their
ring thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old
girl who kept taking her to different doctors because her sore
throat wouldn't go away. They thought it was strep throat. The
last doctor finally found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile.
My mouth is fine.
You are vile.
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| User: "Deep Foiled Malls" |
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02 Jun 2005 03:14:26 AM |
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:59:41 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668D317F6842hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in
news:elkne.2152$fp6.1552@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their
ring thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old
girl who kept taking her to different doctors because her sore
throat wouldn't go away. They thought it was strep throat. The
last doctor finally found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile.
My mouth is fine.
You are vile.
Judge not lest thee be judged.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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02 Jun 2005 07:08:38 AM |
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Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> whined and lied again:
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:59:41 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668D317F6842hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in
news:elkne.2152$fp6.1552@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their
ring thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old
girl who kept taking her to different doctors because her sore
throat wouldn't go away. They thought it was strep throat. The
last doctor finally found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile.
My mouth is fine.
You are vile.
Judge not lest thee be judged.
Then I suggest you stop judging.
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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02 Jun 2005 04:57:32 AM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668D317F6842hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in
news:elkne.2152$fp6.1552@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their
ring thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old
girl who kept taking her to different doctors because her sore
throat wouldn't go away. They thought it was strep throat. The
last doctor finally found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile.
My mouth is fine.
You are vile.
and you are a mindless fool ........ at least Jez can be civil when
necessary ........ you, on the other hand are doomed to remain a fool ......
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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02 Jun 2005 07:09:29 AM |
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Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Masked Avenger <cootey_59@yahoo.com>
whined and lied again:
Sir Marksman wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668D317F6842hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in
news:elkne.2152$fp6.1552@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their
ring thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old
girl who kept taking her to different doctors because her sore
throat wouldn't go away. They thought it was strep throat. The
last doctor finally found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile.
My mouth is fine.
You are vile.
and you are a mindless fool ........ at least Jez can be civil when
necessary ........ you, on the other hand are doomed to remain a fool ......
pot, kettle, black
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| User: "Deep Foiled Malls" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 01:02:37 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:18:34 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their ring
thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old girl who
kept taking her to different doctors because her sore throat wouldn't
go away. They thought it was strep throat. The last doctor finally
found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile. Come back when you can act like a mature adult.
***** and die. You have nothing to contribute to the world if you
dismiss anyone purely on the basis of profanity.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 01:04:06 PM |
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"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:l02s919m3gc6drh0mbmqukf33vfr324mtn@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:18:34 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9668A51EC8233hellward@216.196.109.145...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in news:QT6ne.23$g5.7
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
If these people think they're doing such a good thing with their ring
thing, tell them to talk to the mother of the 11 year old girl who
kept taking her to different doctors because her sore throat wouldn't
go away. They thought it was strep throat. The last doctor finally
found what she really has, throat gonorrhea.
Welcome to parenting in the 21 century.
That's what happens when 'preaching' replaces 'teaching.'
That is *your* ignorant opinion kid.
So mr Know-it-all-cos-god-said....
What fucking
Your mouth is vile. Come back when you can act like a mature adult.
***** and die.
Thanks for proving my point.
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| User: "Misleart Chuff" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 03:10:35 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead. No one gives a flying *****
about your coprophagic opinions.
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| User: "Markku Grönroos" |
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| Title: bugger off idiots |
01 Jun 2005 03:32:33 PM |
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"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> kirjoitti viestissä
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead. No one gives a flying *****
about your coprophagic opinions.
häivy matkailukonffeista pölvästi
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 06:00:28 PM |
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"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
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| User: "Misleart Chuff" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 03:56:27 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:g6rne.262$k91.47@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
:
: "Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
: news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
: > "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
: > news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
: > [serious snippage]
: > : Thanks for proving my point.
: >
: > You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
:
: Thanks for proving my point yet again.
If you ever HAD a point, it would have to be worn down to a nub, by
now. All you are, is a repetitive, boring troll (it shows how bored I
am, that I'm bothering to play with you), with no redeeming qualities.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 05:50:55 PM |
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Immature & Hateful little Bigot, "Misleart Chuff"
<misleart@ameritech.net> whined and lied again:
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:g6rne.262$k91.47@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
:
: "Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
: news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
: > "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
: > news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
: > [serious snippage]
: > : Thanks for proving my point.
: >
: > You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
:
: Thanks for proving my point yet again.
If you ever HAD a point, it would have to be worn down to a nub, by
now.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 05:56:22 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, "Misleart Chuff"
<misleart@ameritech.net> whined and lied again:
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:g6rne.262$k91.47@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
:
: "Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
: news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
: > "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
: > news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
: > [serious snippage]
: > : Thanks for proving my point.
: >
: > You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
:
: Thanks for proving my point yet again.
If you ever HAD a point, it would have to be worn down to a nub, by
now.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
And yet you refuse to debate with me at all. Thanks for proving my
point yet again. C'mon, Marksman. You know you want to! 8-)
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| User: "john" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 07:16:22 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:28 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
Your only response has been simple remarks adding nothing to the
subject.
Care to add any substantive remarks on the subject at hand?
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 07:36:29 PM |
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"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gpjs91ldgjqkjqtkph9nu7o5mvfqnlerbg@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:28 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
Your only response has been simple remarks adding nothing to the
subject.
Did you miss the other poster's childish remarks? I am here to point out his
inability to act mature.
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| User: "Misleart Chuff" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 10:55:52 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:hwsne.2222$fp6.260@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[snip]
: Did you miss the other poster's childish remarks? I am here to point
out his
: inability to act mature.
Did you miss the fact that your posts to atheist newsgroups are in
fact childish, foolish, stupid, inaccurate, misleading, pus-filled,
and generally useless? ***** off, xian.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 11:17:58 AM |
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Immature & Hateful little Bigot, "Misleart Chuff"
<misleart@ameritech.net> whined and lied again:
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:hwsne.2222$fp6.260@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[snip]
: Did you miss the other poster's childish remarks? I am here to point
out his
: inability to act mature.
Did you miss the fact that your posts to atheist newsgroups are in
fact childish, foolish, stupid, inaccurate, misleading, pus-filled,
and generally useless? ***** off, xian.
As usual, you are way off base and lying out your butt.
Thanks for proving me correct yet again.
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| User: "john" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 09:03:51 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:29 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gpjs91ldgjqkjqtkph9nu7o5mvfqnlerbg@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:28 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
Your only response has been simple remarks adding nothing to the
subject.
Did you miss the other poster's childish remarks? I am here to point out his
inability to act mature.
Other than pointing out his inability to act mature do you have any
opinion to state on ther subject?
If not, shut the ***** up.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
01 Jun 2005 10:52:45 PM |
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"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:16qs911knq2q2cccnruq3bscjeui2vmncf@4ax.com...
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:29 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gpjs91ldgjqkjqtkph9nu7o5mvfqnlerbg@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:28 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
Your only response has been simple remarks adding nothing to the
subject.
Did you miss the other poster's childish remarks? I am here to point out
his
inability to act mature.
Other than pointing out his inability to act mature do you have any
opinion to state on ther subject?
If not, shut the ***** up.
I see you have nothing to add but your vile mouth.
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| User: "Misleart Chuff" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 10:57:36 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:hovne.2246$fp6.342@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
:
: "john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
: news:16qs911knq2q2cccnruq3bscjeui2vmncf@4ax.com...
[snip]
: > Other than pointing out his inability to act mature do you have
any
: > opinion to state on ther subject?
: >
: > If not, shut the ***** up.
: >
:
: I see you have nothing to add but your vile mouth.
Ah, otherwise complete, then? Why don't you drag your sorry xian *****
on down the road, eh?
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 11:18:14 AM |
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Immature & Hateful little Bigot, "Misleart Chuff"
<misleart@ameritech.net> whined and lied again:
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:hovne.2246$fp6.342@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
:
: "john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
: news:16qs911knq2q2cccnruq3bscjeui2vmncf@4ax.com...
[snip]
: > Other than pointing out his inability to act mature do you have
any
: > opinion to state on ther subject?
: >
: > If not, shut the ***** up.
: >
:
: I see you have nothing to add but your vile mouth.
Ah, otherwise complete, then? Why don't you drag your sorry xian *****
on down the road, eh?
As usual, you are way off base and lying out your butt.
Thanks for proving me correct yet again.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 02:46:53 PM |
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Sir Marksman wrote:
Immature & Hateful little Bigot, "Misleart Chuff"
<misleart@ameritech.net> whined and lied again:
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:hovne.2246$fp6.342@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
:
: "john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
: news:16qs911knq2q2cccnruq3bscjeui2vmncf@4ax.com...
[snip]
: > Other than pointing out his inability to act mature do you have
any
: > opinion to state on ther subject?
: >
: > If not, shut the ***** up.
: >
:
: I see you have nothing to add but your vile mouth.
Ah, otherwise complete, then? Why don't you drag your sorry xian *****
on down the road, eh?
As usual, you are way off base and lying out your butt.
As usual, you never respond to anything substantiative.
Thanks for proving me correct yet again.
Thanks for proving me correct yet again.
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| User: "Deep Foiled Malls" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 03:13:08 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:52:45 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:16qs911knq2q2cccnruq3bscjeui2vmncf@4ax.com...
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:29 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gpjs91ldgjqkjqtkph9nu7o5mvfqnlerbg@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:28 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
Your only response has been simple remarks adding nothing to the
subject.
Did you miss the other poster's childish remarks? I am here to point out
his
inability to act mature.
Other than pointing out his inability to act mature do you have any
opinion to state on ther subject?
If not, shut the ***** up.
I see you have nothing to add but your vile mouth.
What ***** have fucking you fucking added to this fucking place
yet, you fucking fucked up frigging *****?
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Silver Ring Thing teaches teens sex without condoms |
02 Jun 2005 07:07:49 AM |
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Immature & Hateful little Bigot, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> whined and lied again:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 03:52:45 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:16qs911knq2q2cccnruq3bscjeui2vmncf@4ax.com...
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:36:29 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"john" <z2345678998765432y@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:gpjs91ldgjqkjqtkph9nu7o5mvfqnlerbg@4ax.com...
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:00:28 GMT, "Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com>
wrote:
"Misleart Chuff" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%Cone.1805$4u.260@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
news:qMmne.220$k91.122@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
[serious snippage]
: Thanks for proving my point.
You must wear funny shaped hats, pinhead.
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
Your only response has been simple remarks adding nothing to the
subject.
Did you miss the other poster's childish remarks? I am here to point out
his
inability to act mature.
Other than pointing out his inability to act mature do you have any
opinion to state on ther subject?
If not, shut the ***** up.
I see you have nothing to add but your vile mouth.
What ***** have fucking you fucking added to this fucking place
yet, you fucking fucked up frigging *****?
Thanks for proving my point yet again.
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