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User: "R. Pierce Butler"
Date: 06 Jul 2005 12:55:28 AM
Object: similarities of "Saviors"
I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.
One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm
Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?
It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all of the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.
rj
.

User: "Andrew W"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 03:27:50 AM
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?

They reconcile it by saying that Horus etc. merely copied Jesus, which is
silly because most of those godmen came before Jesus, but when you point
this out they just construct some other excuse.


It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all of
the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.

Christians have a different method of observing the obvious.
They just look it up in their bibles or read about what some Christian
archaeologist dug up.
--
Andrew W.
The best indicator for who is evil is to see who is going out of their way
to constantly remind everyone how powerful and good they are. The second is
to see who is doing all the finger pointing as to who's guilty of an alleged
crime that supposedly took place thousands of years ago.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
.
User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 08:25:47 AM
"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity
.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?


They reconcile it by saying that Horus etc. merely copied Jesus, which
is silly because most of those godmen came before Jesus, but when you
point this out they just construct some other excuse.


It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all
of the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.


Christians have a different method of observing the obvious.
They just look it up in their bibles or read about what some Christian
archaeologist dug up.


I went to Catholic school, went to seminary and studied to be a priest, and
was one of the jesus freaks, even worked at a Xtian TV station nd in all
those years not once did I hear of Horus, or any of the other similar god-
men. I think christians turn a blind eye to these facts.
rj
.
User: "Bill"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 09:59:06 AM
I am a former Catholic and we were taught that to question the existence of
Jesus or
church doctrine was a mortal sin. this has been a pretty effective way of
blocking out all
contradictory information or evidence.
Don't question church dogma - just follow it!
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity
.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?


They reconcile it by saying that Horus etc. merely copied Jesus, which
is silly because most of those godmen came before Jesus, but when you
point this out they just construct some other excuse.


It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all
of the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.


Christians have a different method of observing the obvious.
They just look it up in their bibles or read about what some Christian
archaeologist dug up.



I went to Catholic school, went to seminary and studied to be a priest,
and
was one of the jesus freaks, even worked at a Xtian TV station nd in all
those years not once did I hear of Horus, or any of the other similar god-
men. I think christians turn a blind eye to these facts.

rj

.
User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 11:59:07 AM
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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I am a former Catholic and we were taught that to question the existence
of Jesus or
church doctrine was a mortal sin. this has been a pretty effective way
of blocking out all
contradictory information or evidence.

Don't question church dogma - just follow it!

or die a thousand deaths over and over all the while burning and torture
are inficted on you until the end of time.....but the Jesus the executioner
loves you.
I found out what JW think of the whole thing. I was told that Satan will
duplicte things either before of after the fact so that he can lead the
faithful away.
This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.
rj


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"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus,
Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christiani
ty .htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile
this?


They reconcile it by saying that Horus etc. merely copied Jesus, which
is silly because most of those godmen came before Jesus, but when you
point this out they just construct some other excuse.


It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all
of the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.


Christians have a different method of observing the obvious.
They just look it up in their bibles or read about what some Christian
archaeologist dug up.



I went to Catholic school, went to seminary and studied to be a priest,
and
was one of the jesus freaks, even worked at a Xtian TV station nd in
all those years not once did I hear of Horus, or any of the other
similar god- men. I think christians turn a blind eye to these facts.

rj




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User: "Katt"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 01:40:13 PM
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message news:


This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.

All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?
Katt.
.
User: "Andrew W"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 04:26:26 PM
"Katt" <workcomputer@dfhu.net> wrote in message
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message news:


This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?

Sharks and alligators don't fight.
They have more sense than the Christian god and Satan.
--
Andrew W.
The best indicator for who is evil is to see who is going out of their way
to constantly remind everyone how powerful and good they are. The second is
to see who is doing all the finger pointing as to who's guilty of an alleged
crime that supposedly took place thousands of years ago.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
.
User: "Katt"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 05:31:44 PM
"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Katt" <workcomputer@dfhu.net> wrote in message
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message news:


This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?



Sharks and alligators don't fight.
They have more sense than the Christian god and Satan.

Yes, that too is a pretty good answer...
Thanks for that.
Katt.
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User: "Andrew W"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 04:48:42 PM
"Katt" <workcomputer@dfhu.net> wrote in message
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message news:


This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?

The Christian god fighting with Satan would be more like an elephant
fighting with a rat.
It shouldn't be a very long fight at all.
--
Andrew W.
The best indicator for who is evil is to see who is going out of their way
to constantly remind everyone how powerful and good they are. The second is
to see who is doing all the finger pointing as to who's guilty of an alleged
crime that supposedly took place thousands of years ago.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
.
User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 05:04:04 PM
"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in news:42cc51b5$0
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"Katt" <workcomputer@dfhu.net> wrote in message
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message news:


This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?



The Christian god fighting with Satan would be more like an elephant
fighting with a rat.
It shouldn't be a very long fight at all.


I have never seen anything about rat fighting an elephant. How does that
one go?
Speaking of rats and elephants, there is Hindu god-man that has the head
of an elephant and is usually has a rat pictured with him. Seems that he
was caught in a fight and lost his head. To keep him alive they found the
first head that came along and gave it to him. Those Hindus seem to have a
god for everything. Why have an all generic purpose god when one can get a
specialist? (:>)
rj
.
User: "Andrew W"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 07 Jul 2005 03:03:20 AM
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in news:42cc51b5$0
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"Katt" <workcomputer@dfhu.net> wrote in message
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message news:


This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?



The Christian god fighting with Satan would be more like an elephant
fighting with a rat.
It shouldn't be a very long fight at all.



I have never seen anything about rat fighting an elephant. How does that
one go?

I think it goes like this -
Stomp!!


Speaking of rats and elephants, there is Hindu god-man that has the head
of an elephant and is usually has a rat pictured with him. Seems that he
was caught in a fight and lost his head. To keep him alive they found the
first head that came along and gave it to him. Those Hindus seem to have
a
god for everything. Why have an all generic purpose god when one can get
a
specialist? (:>)

I always thought Hindus were kind of wise, but after reading that...
--
Andrew W.
The best indicator for who is evil is to see who is going out of their way
to constantly remind everyone how powerful and good they are. The second is
to see who is doing all the finger pointing as to who's guilty of an alleged
crime that supposedly took place thousands of years ago.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
.
User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 07 Jul 2005 07:58:11 AM
"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in
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"Andrew W" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in news:42cc51b5$0
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"Katt" <workcomputer@dfhu.net> wrote in message
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message news:


This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an
alligator....?



The Christian god fighting with Satan would be more like an elephant
fighting with a rat.
It shouldn't be a very long fight at all.



I have never seen anything about rat fighting an elephant. How does
that one go?


I think it goes like this -
Stomp!!


Speaking of rats and elephants, there is Hindu god-man that has the
head of an elephant and is usually has a rat pictured with him. Seems
that he was caught in a fight and lost his head. To keep him alive they
found the first head that came along and gave it to him. Those Hindus
seem to have a
god for everything. Why have an all generic purpose god when one can
get a
specialist? (:>)


I always thought Hindus were kind of wise, but after reading that...


The Hindu people are just people. Some have the appearance of being wise
and it is mostly by reputation. As far as the god-man I was referring
to, Lord Ganesh(a) is his name and a Google search will yield all manner of
info about him.
We have a very pleasant, very competent, and friendly Indian fellow at
work and he told me that he used to pray to Jesus Christ but now he prays
to Lord Ganesha. I told him to pray to whoever he wants to and let it go
at that. Our resident bible thumping JW who was listening to the
conversation was apalled and shocked but that made me happy. The JW was
told when he was hired that if HR got one complaint that he was preaching,
he would be immediately fired. I really don't like the JW's philiosophies.
rj

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User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 04:16:04 PM
In article <hAVye.860$Dq.205@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, Katt said...

This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?

They would both lose to the incredible, mutant combination of
the two: the sharkigator.
--
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Brian E. Clark
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User: "Katt"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 05:30:44 PM
"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
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In article <hAVye.860$Dq.205@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>, Katt said...

This is almost like two 7 year old boys discussing who would win if
Superman and Captain America got into a fight.


All right then: what about a fight between a shark and an alligator....?


They would both lose to the incredible, mutant combination of
the two: the sharkigator.

Ah.
I see.
Silly of me not to have thought of that, really...
Katt.
.







User: "stoney"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 17 Jul 2005 10:29:52 AM
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:55:28 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?

Furious handwaving. Keep in mind fear, not evidence, is the driver.

It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all of the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.

rj

--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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User: "Nymm"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 17 Jul 2005 05:28:10 PM
Uzytkownik "stoney" <stoney@the.net> napisal w wiadomosci
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:55:28 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at


http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.ht

m


Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?


Furious handwaving. Keep in mind fear, not evidence, is the driver.

I don't have the slightest problem with the Types that were available to
pagans before the Name that is above every name was known, and neither does
the Bible, which is full of Types.
If it were a big issue the Types would have been left out of scripture, but
they are right in there.
If, for example, by looking to a brazen serpent in the wilderness a person
ignorant of Christ could be deemed in Christ and healed, then I see no issue
with Horus, Hercules, various Mayan traditions and Khrishna either, along
with countless others at that time.
None of these things work now, though. But almost every pagan tradition met
by missionaries contained elements that illustrated Christ, and this is down
to the mercy of God, who calls from EVERY tribe and nation - including those
who went extinct before the name of Jesus was known to them. They were
deemed justified by faith by the use of Types before they had knowledge of
the real one, and most of those pagan religions around the world melted like
snow in the light of the message of the true Christ.
We wouldn't even know Christ was typified by the brazen serpent had the NT
not made it clear, but by the same token lots of these other matters are
clarified also.
\Nymm\
.


User: ""

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 07 Jul 2005 03:41:40 AM
R. Pierce Butler wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?

It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all of the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.

rj

Dear Butler,
As far as I know, there are quite a few ways that Christian scholars
attempt to reconcile this. They attempt to show that Jesus is not a
copycat saviour deity and not a myth like the others. The attempt to
do this by:
1. By emphasising the differences and trying to argue that there is
historical evidence that Jesus was a real person and that the events
described in the canonical Gospels are authentic accounts of his birth,
life, miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. All the other saviour
deities were myths or, in the case they were real, had mythical
elements added to their life. Of course, according to Christians,
nothing mythical was added to the life of Jesus. This approach is the
way nearly all modern Christian scholars take since historical research
over the past 200 years has shown how many elements in Christianity
are similar to Greco-Roman and other polytheistic saviour-deity
religions.
2. Satan had attempted to pre-empt Christianity by planting religions
with counterfeit saviour deities ahead of time in order to test and
corrupt the faith of Christians after the real saviour deity (Jesus)
had come. This was the approach taken by the EARLY Christian thinkers
in order to counter pagan accusations that the Christians had copied
doctrines and rituals, such as baptism and the Eucharist, from other
religions.
The testimony of Early Christian thinkers that other religions also had
saviour deities and similar rites contradicts the opinion of modern
Christian scholars who have chosen tactic #1. This is why, in
response, you find these modern Christian scholars attempting to argue
that most likely the pagans had actually copied ideas from
Christianity. While though pagan religions and deities did precede
Christianity, when Christianity came along, they started to borrow from
the Christians. However, this is all dubious, as history contradicts
this by showing that Christian doctrines existed in pagan religions
hundreds of years well before Christianity arrived on the scene, and
Christianity was never so influential until the mid-3rd century to
inspire pagans to copy from it.
3. Some Christian scholars, such as C.S. Lewis, and if I recall
correctly, St. Augustine and Origen, actually took a positive view of
the fact that some predating pagan religions were similar to
Christianity. These scholars believed that the Christian deity has
planted the ideas of dying and resurrected deities in order to prepare
them and make them receptive to the coming of Jesus, who would be the
real thing in the flesh; just as the prophecies of the Messiah were to
prepare the Jews for Jesus.
I hope this has helped to answer your question.
Yours,
Kert Una
.
User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 07 Jul 2005 08:08:38 AM
wrote in
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R. Pierce Butler wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity
.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?

It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all
of the actions common to both Horus and him are false.

rj


Dear Butler,

As far as I know, there are quite a few ways that Christian scholars
attempt to reconcile this. They attempt to show that Jesus is not a
copycat saviour deity and not a myth like the others. The attempt to
do this by:

1. By emphasising the differences and trying to argue that there is
historical evidence that Jesus was a real person and that the events
described in the canonical Gospels are authentic accounts of his birth,
life, miracles, crucifixion and resurrection. All the other saviour
deities were myths or, in the case they were real, had mythical
elements added to their life. Of course, according to Christians,
nothing mythical was added to the life of Jesus. This approach is the
way nearly all modern Christian scholars take since historical research
over the past 200 years has shown how many elements in Christianity
are similar to Greco-Roman and other polytheistic saviour-deity
religions.

As fara as I am concerned that stance would be a lie. i am sure the
Gospels don't have single item added to them.....NOT!



2. Satan had attempted to pre-empt Christianity by planting religions
with counterfeit saviour deities ahead of time in order to test and
corrupt the faith of Christians after the real saviour deity (Jesus)
had come. This was the approach taken by the EARLY Christian thinkers
in order to counter pagan accusations that the Christians had copied
doctrines and rituals, such as baptism and the Eucharist, from other
religions.

This is again a lie and logical fallacy and paradox. If Satan were all
powerful, then he could quite easily have killed Jesus of his parents of
made Jesus a jinx of sorts so that everyone would have shunned him. This
makes no sense. How many people would have freaked out if an absolute copy
or two of Jesus were walking around and followed each other around? That
would be so wierd that people would have stoned the three just out of
principle.


The testimony of Early Christian thinkers that other religions also had
saviour deities and similar rites contradicts the opinion of modern
Christian scholars who have chosen tactic #1. This is why, in
response, you find these modern Christian scholars attempting to argue
that most likely the pagans had actually copied ideas from
Christianity. While though pagan religions and deities did precede
Christianity, when Christianity came along, they started to borrow from
the Christians. However, this is all dubious, as history contradicts
this by showing that Christian doctrines existed in pagan religions
hundreds of years well before Christianity arrived on the scene, and
Christianity was never so influential until the mid-3rd century to
inspire pagans to copy from it.

3. Some Christian scholars, such as C.S. Lewis, and if I recall
correctly, St. Augustine and Origen, actually took a positive view of
the fact that some predating pagan religions were similar to
Christianity. These scholars believed that the Christian deity has
planted the ideas of dying and resurrected deities in order to prepare
them and make them receptive to the coming of Jesus, who would be the
real thing in the flesh; just as the prophecies of the Messiah were to
prepare the Jews for Jesus.

I hope this has helped to answer your question.

Yours,
Kert Una

Kert,
I have run out of time this morning as I have to catch a flight, but I
think you immensely for your reply.
rj
.


User: ""

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 11:07:29 AM
R. Pierce Butler wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.

Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna and others
are historical evidences.


One example is at
http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians reconcile this?
It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is a myth or if he was real all of the
actions common to both Horus and him are false.

rj

.
User: "Grinder"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 01:59:06 PM
wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between
Jesus, Horus, Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at

http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians
reconcile this? It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is
a myth or if he was real all of the actions common to
both Horus and him are false.

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna
and others are historical evidences.

While you're at it, you might as well keep Jesus on the list.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 06:29:12 PM
Grinder wrote:

Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between
Jesus, Horus, Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at


http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians
reconcile this? It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is
a myth or if he was real all of the actions common to
both Horus and him are false.



R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna
and others are historical evidences.


While you're at it, you might as well keep Jesus on the list.

Forget for a while about Jesus and let us go back
to the divine ORACLES .
It is said that the Law of Moses and the Prophets
have descibed in their Oracles the Savior to come
into the world. The NT proves how JESUS fits that
descriptions, hence Him being the CHRIST/MESSIAH
Why is that you people of Natural selection have
too many problems with that?
For you If some other culture talked about a similar being
and that story turns out to be a fairy tale, then Jesus
is fairy tale. But this is very easy.
Is it for you the only angle from which this issue should be
looked at?
You are not that bright as you guys thought you were.
.
User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 06:44:21 PM
wrote in
news:1120692552.573089.293210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:



Grinder wrote:

wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between
Jesus, Horus, Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at


http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity
.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians
reconcile this? It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is
a myth or if he was real all of the actions common to
both Horus and him are false.



R. Pierce Butler wrote:

Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna
and others are historical evidences.


While you're at it, you might as well keep Jesus on the list.


Forget for a while about Jesus and let us go back
to the divine ORACLES .
It is said that the Law of Moses and the Prophets
have descibed in their Oracles the Savior to come
into the world. The NT proves how JESUS fits that
descriptions, hence Him being the CHRIST/MESSIAH

Why is that you people of Natural selection have
too many problems with that?
For you If some other culture talked about a similar being
and that story turns out to be a fairy tale, then Jesus
is fairy tale. But this is very easy.
Is it for you the only angle from which this issue should be
looked at?
You are not that bright as you guys thought you were.


But Horus fits the descriptions too.
rj
.

User: "Richard Smol"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 10 Jul 2005 06:17:04 AM
wrote:


Grinder wrote:

wrote:


I was reading a few things about the similarities between


Jesus, Horus, Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at


http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians
reconcile this? It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is
a myth or if he was real all of the actions common to
both Horus and him are false.



R. Pierce Butler wrote:


Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna


and others are historical evidences.


While you're at it, you might as well keep Jesus on the list.



Forget for a while about Jesus and let us go back
to the divine ORACLES .
It is said that the Law of Moses and the Prophets
have descibed in their Oracles the Savior to come
into the world. The NT proves how JESUS fits that
descriptions, hence Him being the CHRIST/MESSIAH

Actually, Jesus doesn't fit the description at all. He was not
a military leader, for one.. and wasn't even from the house of
David.
RS
.
User: ""

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 11 Jul 2005 06:58:01 PM
Richard Smol wrote:

Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:


Grinder wrote:

Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:


I was reading a few things about the similarities between


Jesus, Horus, Buddahm, Krishna and others.

One example is at


http://www.sanfords.net/Pagan_Humor_and_Thoughts/origins_of_christianity.htm

Is this an accurate summary and if so how do the Xtians
reconcile this? It is obvious that Jesus, like Horus, is
a myth or if he was real all of the actions common to
both Horus and him are false.



R. Pierce Butler wrote:


Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna


and others are historical evidences.


While you're at it, you might as well keep Jesus on the list.



Forget for a while about Jesus and let us go back
to the divine ORACLES .
It is said that the Law of Moses and the Prophets
have descibed in their Oracles the Savior to come
into the world. The NT proves how JESUS fits that
descriptions, hence Him being the CHRIST/MESSIAH


Actually, Jesus doesn't fit the description at all. He was not
a military leader, for one.. and wasn't even from the house of
David.

This was not the point. Do not extrapolate.
Whoever fits the description will have
to be born of a virgin
to die and resuerrect
But wait a minute,pagans have similar saviors
embedded in their myths. If so, does this makes
Jesus a myth also? No at all.
It means that God as a skillfull pedagogue
had put the longing of CHRIST in their hearts
and their cultures. If the Law of Moses,
as Paul put it, was put into pagans hearts
why not the longing of CHRIST?
This was the point and not your dream like
militaristic savior.

PLONK


RS

.


User: "Dave"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 06:52:11 PM
wrote:

[...]
The NT proves how JESUS fits that descriptions, hence
Him being the CHRIST/MESSIAH [...]

Yet the Jews remain utterly unconvinced.
.
User: "R. Pierce Butler"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 06 Jul 2005 08:25:05 PM
"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1120693931.166379.79560
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:

[...]
The NT proves how JESUS fits that descriptions, hence
Him being the CHRIST/MESSIAH [...]



Yet the Jews remain utterly unconvinced.


Maybe they are smarter than the average Christian.
r
.
User: "robpar"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 07 Jul 2005 11:22:25 AM
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:25:05 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1120693931.166379.79560
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:

[...]
The NT proves how JESUS fits that descriptions, hence
Him being the CHRIST/MESSIAH [...]



Yet the Jews remain utterly unconvinced.



Maybe they are smarter than the average Christian.

Isn't every body? Christians are willfully ignorant, and ignore
anything that their pastor doesn't teach them. Blind leading the
blind?


.





User: "robpar"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 07 Jul 2005 11:02:43 AM
On 6 Jul 2005 09:07:29 -0700,
wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.



Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna and others
are historical evidences.

They aren't but they show that the Jesus Myth is based on older
beliefs. So the Jesus Myths, are not historical evidence either.
Buddha, and Julius Cesar are known to have existed, however much of
the legends about them are suspect.
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: similarities of "Saviors" 07 Jul 2005 11:21:53 AM
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:02:43 -0500, robpar <robpar@airmaildelete.net>
wrote:

On 6 Jul 2005 09:07:29 -0700,

wrote:

R. Pierce Butler wrote:

I was reading a few things about the similarities between Jesus, Horus,
Buddahm, Krishna and others.



Prove that things written about Horus,Buddha, Krishna and others
are historical evidences.


They aren't but they show that the Jesus Myth is based on older
beliefs. So the Jesus Myths, are not historical evidence either.
Buddha, and Julius Cesar are known to have existed, however much of
the legends about them are suspect.

Codebreaker was shifting the burden of proof - there is no reason to
aqssume that the Jesus stories are any different the Horus, Buddha,
Krishna, Dionysus, Hercules, etc stories. If he expects people to
treat them as historic evidence then he has to show that they actually
are, using the same litmus test for all of them. It's not our job to
show that they aren't.
.




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