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"MrGoodSalt" |
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23 Aug 2003 12:39:42 AM |
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Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
Simple question for Atheist population: Do you agree/disagree with the
following statement and why? "Morality is the line you draw between what should
be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." JOHN 8:32
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 01:58:42 AM |
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At some point in the past, MrGoodSalt <mrgoodsalt@aol.com> slavered,
and posted this:
Simple question for Atheist population: Do you agree/disagree with the
following statement and why? "Morality is the line you draw between
what should be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
Morality is not about tolerance of another person's actions. Morality is
about how a person should act.
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Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 10:13:28 PM |
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At some point in the past, <>
slavered, and posted this:
"Doug Semler" wrote
. . . s n i p . . .
Morality is not about tolerance of another person's actions.
Morality is about how a person should act.
Yah, but how do you know how a person "should" act?
Usually when someone thinks another is being "selfish," it's because
they won't do something they think they ought to do. And "should"
is usually one of those words used with a particular code of conduct
or standards in mind. The question of just how does someone decide
what those standards are is an interesting one . . . and is, IMHO,
where morality originates. --Tock
I know. My point was that the question itself is silly on its face.
Morality is one of those things that a philosopher wrestles with, to the
detriment of his or her social life. :)
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Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 10:21:58 AM |
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MrGoodSalt <mrgoodsalt@aol.com> wrote:
Simple question for Atheist population: Do you agree/disagree with
the following statement and why? "Morality is the line you draw
between what should be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
I disagree strongly, as the two concepts are really not strongly
related. For instance, it is quite possible for a person to
tolerate actions by another that they would not do themselves
due to finding the actions immoral. (For example, a person
might avoid drinking coffee because they find drug use immoral,
yet tolerate coffee drinking in others.) A person might also
not tolerate actions in another that had nothing to do with
whether the actions were moral or not. (For example, a person
might not tolerate his neighbor planting morning glories in
a place that will cause them to spread into their lawn, yet
find nothing immoral in planting morning glories.)
Morality is a guide to your own actions far more than a guide
to what should be tolerated in others. And the people who
confuse the two are often quite dangerous.
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
24 Aug 2003 11:27:44 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2003 05:39:42 GMT, (MrGoodSalt)
wrote:
Simple question for Atheist population:
Do you agree/disagree with the
following statement and why? "Morality is the line
you draw between what should
be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
That line concerns what others are doing. That may be important,
but what I am doing is of far greater importance - because I am
actually in charge of it.
People who are more concerned with other's actions than their own
are a pain in the arse.
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 01:08:55 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2003 05:39:42 GMT, (MrGoodSalt) wrote:
Simple question for Atheist population: Do you agree/disagree with the
following statement and why? "Morality is the line you draw between what should
be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
Are you back? I thought I smelled something bad.
Thomas P.
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 09:49:48 AM |
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On 23 Aug 2003 05:39:42 GMT, the small, dirty object formerly known as
mrgoodsalt@aol.com (MrGoodSalt) in news message
<20030823013942.29741.00000386@mb-m21.aol.com> wrote:
Simple question for Atheist population: Do you agree/disagree with the
following statement and why? "Morality is the line you draw between what should
be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
I disagree. Morality and tolerance are two completely different
attributes. Morality is a congruence of one's own behavior to
standards of good behavior. Tolerance or intolerance are the result
of a judgement you make on other people's behavior.
Morality comes from within the mind of a person. Intolerance is
imposed on others.
Liz #658 BAAWA
We may have lost our moral compass but we still have our chaste
sextant, our modest flashlight, our ethical pen knife, and our
virtuous canteen. -- jwkinraleigh
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 03:19:13 PM |
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MrGoodSalt <mrgoodsalt@aol.com> wrote:
If a bunch of rednecks drag the nearest waitress onto the pool table and begin
to gang rape her, it is the "morality" in my mind that tells me this is wrong,
but when I cross the line to impose "morality" on others by calling 911 (or
just whipping out the jammy and flat blasting the damned savages) I'm entering
the relm of "intolerance"?
I'd explain the difference between tolerance and morality to you in
more detail, but it's pretty clear that you have no interest in
discussing the difference - you are, as usual, interested only in
making cheap shots.
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 03:09:44 PM |
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On 23 Aug 2003 16:22:57 GMT, the small, dirty object formerly known as
mrgoodsalt@aol.com (MrGoodSalt) in news message
<20030823122257.28461.00000397@mb-m18.aol.com> wrote:
mrgoodsalt wrote:
Simple question for Atheist population: Do you agree/disagree with the
following statement and why? "Morality is the line you draw between what should
be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
Liz wrote:
I disagree. Morality and tolerance are two completely different attributes.
Morality is a congruence of one's own behavior to standards of good behavior.
Tolerance or intolerance are the result of a judgement you make on other
people's behavior.
Morality comes from within the mind of a person. Intolerance is imposed on
others.
So let me see if I understand the distinction you are making...
If a bunch of rednecks drag the nearest waitress onto the pool table and begin
to gang rape her, it is the "morality" in my mind that tells me this is wrong,
but when I cross the line to impose "morality" on others by calling 911 (or
just whipping out the jammy and flat blasting the damned savages) I'm entering
the relm of "intolerance"?
Do you understand that some acts are harmful to others as well as
being illegal? Your scenario has nothing to do with either morality
or tolerance. It is a description of a crime and a not at all
attractive look into your diseased mind.
WTF?
Yes, I forgot how small and dirty your mind is. Obviously, you did
not come here for discussion, but then, you never do. You may crawl
back into your hole now, and take your rape and gun fantasies with
you. (Strange, how you worked both 'rape' and 'blasting someone' into
the same sentence, or maybe it's not strange for you at all.)
Liz #658 BAAWA
We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not
enough to make us love one another, - Johnathan Swift
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Question About Morality and Tolerance |
23 Aug 2003 07:17:41 PM |
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"Liz" <> wrote in message
news:odhfkvgjshv1m4bru3jiqm4prlkte48pvc@4ax.com...
On 23 Aug 2003 16:22:57 GMT, the small, dirty object formerly known as
mrgoodsalt@aol.com (MrGoodSalt) in news message
<20030823122257.28461.00000397@mb-m18.aol.com> wrote:
mrgoodsalt wrote:
Simple question for Atheist population: Do you agree/disagree with the
following statement and why? "Morality is the line you draw between what
should
be tolerated and what should not be tolerated."
Liz wrote:
I disagree. Morality and tolerance are two completely different
attributes.
Morality is a congruence of one's own behavior to standards of good
behavior.
Tolerance or intolerance are the result of a judgement you make on other
people's behavior.
Morality comes from within the mind of a person. Intolerance is
imposed on
others.
So let me see if I understand the distinction you are making...
If a bunch of rednecks drag the nearest waitress onto the pool table and
begin
to gang rape her, it is the "morality" in my mind that tells me this is
wrong,
but when I cross the line to impose "morality" on others by calling 911
(or
just whipping out the jammy and flat blasting the damned savages) I'm
entering
the relm of "intolerance"?
Do you understand that some acts are harmful to others as well as
being illegal? Your scenario has nothing to do with either morality
or tolerance. It is a description of a crime and a not at all
attractive look into your diseased mind. >
We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not
enough to make us love one another, - Johnathan Swift
Here's my take on morality . . .
Morality is an invention of the human mind. Different people accept
different moralities; Nazis accept genocide as being not only moral, but
virtuous, while Jews do not. Rednecks might embrace gay-bashing as a way
to improve the community, their victims would not.
It seems to me that each and every system of morality is merely the result
of what that individual or group perceive to be in that person's (a)
short-term interest or (b) long-term interest.
It's not particularly surprising that leaders of unsophisticated
populations would resort to supernatural authority to increase acceptance
and compliance with whatever moral system they create.
If I were to create a moral system, I'd probably make one that would tend
to bring about the best long-term outcome for a population. Don't think it
would gain much acceptance, though, because many people are incapable of
anything but immediate gratification and 2nd-grade level reasoning.
--Tock
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