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"Budikka666" |
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30 Sep 2005 05:16:37 PM |
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Simple Quiz For Creationists |
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
If and when this happens, who or what is going to save most lives?
Will it be:
A. Creation science?
B. Intelligent design?
C. Prayers of believers
D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
grounded in the science of evolution?
Support your answer with solid evidence.
Budikka
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| User: "Siteldawgnumber1" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Quiz For Creationists |
16 Oct 2005 02:52:28 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2005 00:45:22 -0700, "SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote:
"You are well on your way to the major prize for using all 13 formal
logical fallacies in the one post"
Love the latin phrases there, would you be so kind as to list them all
for me with translations and explanations so I can make use of them
against another individual with a limited domatic perception of the
world.
Another Googler without a clue.
Thank you.
Any time.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Quiz For Creationists |
30 Sep 2005 11:12:27 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
One of the EMS magazines I get brought this up and wondered why nobody seems
to be paying a lot of attention to it.
It deserves a lot more attention than "homeland security"
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| User: "Triage" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Quiz For Creationists |
30 Sep 2005 10:36:48 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
If and when this happens, who or what is going to save most lives?
Will it be:
A. Creation science?
B. Intelligent design?
C. Prayers of believers
D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
grounded in the science of evolution?
Support your answer with solid evidence.
Budikka
I pick D.
I base my answer on faith.
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| User: "Elder-Roni" |
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01 Oct 2005 01:36:16 PM |
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"Triage" aka JABRIOL aka GANTZ aka Zod etc. <Service@yourHusband.org> wrote
in message news:pvn%e.35$gt7.437387@news.sisna.com...
Budikka666 wrote:
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
If and when this happens, who or what is going to save most lives?
Will it be:
A. Creation science?
B. Intelligent design?
C. Prayers of believers
D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
grounded in the science of evolution?
Support your answer with solid evidence.
Budikka
I pick D.
I base my answer on faith.
======================
Then stop taking your meds for Epilepsy, impotency and clinical depression
Jabbers. See how far you get on "faith." Hypocrite!
--
DeElderRoni
Aid to Bible Understanding, 1971 ed., p. 1061
"While malicious lying is definitely condemned in
the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under
obligation to divulge truthful information to people
who are not entitled to it." *WHO DECIDES?*
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http://www.intrex.net/talley/list7_13.html
So many sheep, so much fleecing.
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| User: "rugged indivduals" |
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03 Oct 2005 10:08:49 PM |
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"Elder-Roni" <Elders@theWatchtowers.net> wrote in message
news:dhmkvu$ccg$1@reader.greatnowhere.com...
"Triage" aka JABRIOL aka GANTZ aka Zod etc. <Service@yourHusband.org>
wrote in message news:pvn%e.35$gt7.437387@news.sisna.com...
Budikka666 wrote:
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
If and when this happens, who or what is going to save most lives?
Will it be:
A. Creation science?
B. Intelligent design?
C. Prayers of believers
D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
grounded in the science of evolution?
I pick B. When the H5N1 virus decides that it is in its best interest to
just make people mildly sick, instead of killing them outright, many people
will be saved that otherwise would die from a stupid virus.
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| User: "DeEler Expoza" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Quiz For Creationists |
04 Oct 2005 11:22:46 PM |
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"rugged indivduals" <brandon@comcat.com> wrote in message
news:AZudnQ5R_ZzZb9zeRVn-3A@comcast.com...
"Elder-Roni" <Elders@theWatchtowers.net> wrote in message
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"Triage" aka JABRIOL aka GANTZ aka Zod etc. <Service@yourHusband.org>
wrote in message news:pvn%e.35$gt7.437387@news.sisna.com...
Budikka666 wrote:
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
If and when this happens, who or what is going to save most lives?
Will it be:
A. Creation science?
B. Intelligent design?
C. Prayers of believers
D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
grounded in the science of evolution?
I pick B. When the H5N1 virus decides that it is in its best interest to
just make people mildly sick,
## A virus has no brain and can't decide anything.
instead of killing them outright,
## A virus wouldn't know if it was killing them or not.
many people
will be saved
## By who? Their Drs or their immune systems or both?
that otherwise would die from a stupid virus.
## A virus is neither stupid nor intelligent - it just is.
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DeeDee.........
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Simple Quiz For Creationists |
26 Oct 2005 04:02:10 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
If and when this happens, who or what is going to save most lives?
Will it be:
A. Creation science?
B. Intelligent design?
C. Prayers of believers
D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
grounded in the science of evolution?
Support your answer with solid evidence.
Budikka
Well the answer is in. Creation and prayer failed completely, whereas
science has come up with a vaccine for testing:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4357458.stm
The quiz is now closed.
Budikka
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| User: "" |
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26 Oct 2005 06:02:51 PM |
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Budikka, You have stated in your posting, October 27, 7:02 am that your
quiz is now closed.
I can see how you have deliberately and have calculatingly set up the
quiz to 'prove' to your satisfaction that science based on evolutution
would provide the answer.
I heard on TV that Tamifil may not be the answer if the Bird flu begins
to be transmitted from human to human.
There is a bigger issue in this matter. From the time of Charles
Darwin's work secularists began to increase their presence in
education. Before that time much of the scientisfic advancement came
from researches who had Christian beliefs.
In the post-war years Evolutionists have indoctrinated children through
the school system when many parents were unaware of the content of
science studies and also unaware that Christian scientists were
opposing those atheistic views. The secularists worked with Government
funding (salaries of teachers etc). The Christians worked from their
own resources.
Why is it that Evolutionists ( who have a belief system, not
experimentally-tested science) oppose the presentation by Creationists
( who also have a belief system)
of their views in the school system? It is blatantly obvious. They -
the evolutionists - want to control the minds of the children. They
want to claim any advances in scientific achievements for themselves.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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26 Oct 2005 06:26:37 PM |
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"Why is it that Evolutionists ( who have a belief system, not
experimentally-tested science) oppose the presentation by Creationists
( who also have a belief system) of their views in the school system?
It is blatantly obvious. They - the evolutionists - want to control
the minds of the children. They want to claim any advances in
scientific achievements for themselves."
I can't wait for Buddika to answer...in the meantime...
Are you nuts? Creationists do not perform science, how can they make
any scientific advances to claim? What do you think, football players
should be claiming scientific advances? Evolutionists are scientists,
and only scientists make scientific advances. And are you paranoid? Do
you actually think "evolutionists" gather together to plot ways to
control children's minds? You people are getting stupider by the second.
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| User: "" |
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26 Oct 2005 07:47:11 PM |
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Neil Kelsey, In your posting of October 27, 9:26 am, you asked if I was
'nuts'. I can assure you that I am not.
Evolutionists ARE indoctrinating children that their belief system IS
right. They have done that in the post war years BUT only presented
that information through the media from the late 1970's.
Creationists do no accept that. They are scientists, who having been
educated in Evolutionary Theory have come to reject that. Their
research is designed to demonstrate, scientifically, that evolution
could NOT have happened.
Gladys Swager.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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28 Oct 2005 06:26:37 PM |
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wrote:
Neil Kelsey, In your posting of October 27, 9:26 am, you asked if I
was 'nuts'. I can assure you that I am not.
Evolutionists ARE indoctrinating children that their belief system IS
right. They have done that in the post war years BUT only presented
that information through the media from the late 1970's.
Creationists do no accept that. They are scientists, who having been
educated in Evolutionary Theory have come to reject that. Their
research is designed to demonstrate, scientifically, that evolution
could NOT have happened.
Gladys Swager.
If they belong to AiG or CRI they are not scientists because they have
rejected one of ther fundamental rules of science. You must consider the
evidence.
Both of the above organizations mandate rejecting the evidnece if it does
not agree with the bible.
They have evidence that evolution did happen and reject that evidence.
They will not even show enough knowledge of science to offer the simple and
obvious answer to this.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Oct 2005 07:01:06 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:26:37 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
swager@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Neil Kelsey, In your posting of October 27, 9:26 am, you asked if I
was 'nuts'. I can assure you that I am not.
Evolutionists ARE indoctrinating children that their belief system IS
right. They have done that in the post war years BUT only presented
that information through the media from the late 1970's.
Creationists do no accept that. They are scientists, who having been
educated in Evolutionary Theory have come to reject that. Their
research is designed to demonstrate, scientifically, that evolution
could NOT have happened.
Gladys Swager.
If they belong to AiG or CRI they are not scientists because they have
rejected one of ther fundamental rules of science. You must consider the
evidence.
Both of the above organizations mandate rejecting the evidnece if it does
not agree with the bible.
Don't they have to sign an agreement to do just that?
They have evidence that evolution did happen and reject that evidence.
They will not even show enough knowledge of science to offer the simple and
obvious answer to this.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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28 Oct 2005 08:34:07 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:26:37 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
swager@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Neil Kelsey, In your posting of October 27, 9:26 am, you asked if I
was 'nuts'. I can assure you that I am not.
Evolutionists ARE indoctrinating children that their belief system IS
right. They have done that in the post war years BUT only presented
that information through the media from the late 1970's.
Creationists do no accept that. They are scientists, who having been
educated in Evolutionary Theory have come to reject that. Their
research is designed to demonstrate, scientifically, that evolution
could NOT have happened.
Gladys Swager.
If they belong to AiG or CRI they are not scientists because they have
rejected one of ther fundamental rules of science. You must consider the
evidence.
Both of the above organizations mandate rejecting the evidnece if it does
not agree with the bible.
Don't they have to sign an agreement to do just that?
According to talk.origins
(http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/crs-creed.html), members of the
Creation Research Society have to agree with this statement of belief:
1. The Bible is the written Word of God, and because it is inspired
throughout, all its assertions are historically and scientifically true
in the original autographs. To the student of nature this means that
the account of origins in Genesis is a factual presentation of simple
historical truths.
2. All basic types of living things, including man, were made by direct
creative acts of God during the Creation Week described in Genesis.
Whatever biological changes have occurred since Creation Week have been
accomplished only changes within the original created kinds.
3. The great flood described in Genesis, commonly referred to as the
Noachian Flood, was an historic event worldwide in its extent and
effect.
4. We are an organization of Christian men and women of science who
accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. The account of the special
creation of Adam and Eve as one man and one woman and their subsequent
fall into sin is the basis for our belief in the necessity of a Savior
for all mankind. Therefore, salvation can come only through accepting
Jesus Christ as our Savior.
This is why they're not scientists in any meaningful sense int his
regard, because they already have their conclusion set in stone before
they tackle one shred of evidence.
The creationists and intelligent design advocates do publish science
papers in their own fields, but to my knowledge not a single one of
them has ever published, in a peer-reviewed science journal, even one
shred of evidence that refutes evolution or that goes any way toward
establishing an "theory" of creation or of design.
The creationists whine that they are prevented from publishing, but
this is yet another lie, for three reasons:
1. They can offer no evidence of this assertion that they are
prevented from publishing their papers.
2. They *do* publish on other topics in the science journals.
3. When they "publish" their creation material in books and on web
sites, it offers not a shred of science and has zero valid peer review,
suggesting strongly not that they cannot get published, but that they
actually have nothing to publish
Budikka
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Oct 2005 08:20:27 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2005 17:47:11 -0700, wrote:
Neil Kelsey, In your posting of October 27, 9:26 am, you asked if I was
'nuts'. I can assure you that I am not.
Evolutionists ARE indoctrinating children that their belief system IS
right. They have done that in the post war years BUT only presented
that information through the media from the late 1970's.
Why are so many of you creationists such dishonest in-your-face liars?
There is no such thing as an evolutionist. It is a label you
dishonestly apply to people who don't believe your creation myths.
Creationists do no accept that. They are scientists, who having been
educated in Evolutionary Theory have come to reject that. Their
You're lying again.
research is designed to demonstrate, scientifically, that evolution
could NOT have happened.
Which is just plain stupid because evolution is the label given to
certain observed phenomena.
It's like trying to demonstrate scientifically that ovum, sperm and
9-moth pregnancy are nothing to do with babies because the stork
brings them.
Gladys Swager.
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| User: "" |
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26 Oct 2005 08:45:56 PM |
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Christopher, In your posting of October 27 at 11:20 am, you stated that
(it - Creationism) ' is like trying to demonstrate scientifically that
ovum, sperm and 9 month pregnancy are nothing to do with babies because
the stork brings them'.
I don't know your age, bur I would think less than 40 years.
Before the 1970's, the contraceptive pill had only been invented and in
use from 1961, there was much silence about sexual matters, especially
with children. I would think they did not want teenage children
experimenting as part of their friendships.
'The stork' was a way of giving an explanation that, because of
ignorance, the children accepted.
I would think that with contraceptives and abortions that the incidence
of teenage sexual intercouse has risen greatly, but statistics that do
exist can be filed away in Government offices.
I wonder if there are any in-school programmes as part of Personal
Development that emphasise 'celibacy - abstinence - before marriage,
fidelity within it.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Oct 2005 08:54:02 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2005 18:45:56 -0700, wrote:
Christopher, In your posting of October 27 at 11:20 am, you stated that
(it - Creationism) ' is like trying to demonstrate scientifically that
ovum, sperm and 9 month pregnancy are nothing to do with babies because
the stork brings them'.
I don't know your age, bur I would think less than 40 years.
Wrong, moron.
Before the 1970's, the contraceptive pill had only been invented and in
use from 1961, there was much silence about sexual matters, especially
with children. I would think they did not want teenage children
experimenting as part of their friendships.
So what?
'The stork' was a way of giving an explanation that, because of
ignorance, the children accepted.
It's older than that, moron. You can see it in 1940s Bugs Bunny
cartoons.
But what you describe is just like your creation myths.
Why didn't you grow out of them?
I would think that with contraceptives and abortions that the incidence
of teenage sexual intercouse has risen greatly, but statistics that do
exist can be filed away in Government offices.
I wonder if there are any in-school programmes as part of Personal
Development that emphasise 'celibacy - abstinence - before marriage,
fidelity within it.
What the heck has this got to do with anything?
Gladys Swager
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26 Oct 2005 09:10:02 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 18:45:56 -0700, wrote:
Christopher, In your posting of October 27 at 11:20 am, you stated that
(it - Creationism) ' is like trying to demonstrate scientifically that
ovum, sperm and 9 month pregnancy are nothing to do with babies because
the stork brings them'.
I don't know your age, bur I would think less than 40 years.
Wrong, moron.
I'm not a moron - a person of abnormally low intelligence. I made an
estimate from the way you posted. I could have been right.
Before the 1970's, the contraceptive pill had only been invented and in
use from 1961, there was much silence about sexual matters, especially
with children. I would think they did not want teenage children
experimenting as part of their friendships.
So what? That is a stupid statement as what followed explained the situation.
'The stork' was a way of giving an explanation that, because of
ignorance, the children accepted.
It's older than that, ..... You can see it in 1940s Bugs Bunny
cartoons.
The 1940's were BEFORE the 1970's.
But what you describe is just like your creation myths.
It has nothing to do with the acount of Creation as given in the Bible.
Why didn't you grow out of them?
Of all the creation stories from quite a number of countries that I
have read the Genesis Biblical account is the most creditable. Jesus
Christ believed it.
I have learnt that I can trust the Bible. I can't trust secularism,
atheism or the evolutionary theory of origins.
I would think that with contraceptives and abortions that the incidence
of teenage sexual intercouse has risen greatly, but statistics that do
exist can be filed away in Government offices.
I wonder if there are any in-school programmes as part of Personal
Development that emphasise 'celibacy - abstinence - before marriage,
fidelity within it.
What ...... has this got to do with anything?
It was just my assessment of the outcomes of sex education in schools
in NSW in 1972. And I should add, the way sexual issues are treated in
the media.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Oct 2005 10:10:40 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2005 19:10:02 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 18:45:56 -0700, wrote:
Christopher, In your posting of October 27 at 11:20 am, you stated that
(it - Creationism) ' is like trying to demonstrate scientifically that
ovum, sperm and 9 month pregnancy are nothing to do with babies because
the stork brings them'.
I don't know your age, bur I would think less than 40 years.
Wrong, moron.
I'm not a moron - a person of abnormally low intelligence. I made an
estimate from the way you posted. I could have been right.
You are a moron: you're a lying creationist.
Before the 1970's, the contraceptive pill had only been invented and in
use from 1961, there was much silence about sexual matters, especially
with children. I would think they did not want teenage children
experimenting as part of their friendships.
So what? That is a stupid statement as what followed explained the situation.
'The stork' was a way of giving an explanation that, because of
ignorance, the children accepted.
It's older than that, ..... You can see it in 1940s Bugs Bunny
cartoons.
The 1940's were BEFORE the 1970's.
But what you describe is just like your creation myths.
It has nothing to do with the acount of Creation as given in the Bible.
That's what creationism is, lying moron.
Why didn't you grow out of them?
Of all the creation stories from quite a number of countries that I
have read the Genesis Biblical account is the most creditable. Jesus
Christ believed it.
Who gives a flying ***** what some figure from your religion's
mythology is supposed to have believed?
If he existed at all, he had an excuse. You don't.
I have learnt that I can trust the Bible. I can't trust secularism,
atheism or the evolutionary theory of origins.
Thank you for confirming you've been brainwashed into stupidity.
I would think that with contraceptives and abortions that the incidence
of teenage sexual intercouse has risen greatly, but statistics that do
exist can be filed away in Government offices.
I wonder if there are any in-school programmes as part of Personal
Development that emphasise 'celibacy - abstinence - before marriage,
fidelity within it.
What ...... has this got to do with anything?
It was just my assessment of the outcomes of sex education in schools
in NSW in 1972. And I should add, the way sexual issues are treated in
the media.
Which has nothing to do with gullible morons who imagine their myths
trump reality.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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27 Oct 2005 01:11:59 AM |
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On 26 Oct 2005 18:45:56 -0700, wrote:
Christopher, In your posting of October 27 at 11:20 am, you stated that
(it - Creationism) ' is like trying to demonstrate scientifically that
ovum, sperm and 9 month pregnancy are nothing to do with babies because
the stork brings them'.
You did the wrong thing on your monitor again. Clean up your act.
I don't know your age, bur I would think less than 40 years.
Your metal age would appear to be around 4.
Before the 1970's, the contraceptive pill had only been invented and in
use from 1961, there was much silence about sexual matters, especially
with children. I would think they did not want teenage children
experimenting as part of their friendships.
They wanted children to fight their God given urges.
'The stork' was a way of giving an explanation that, because of
ignorance, the children accepted.
Creationists are ignorant.
I would think that with contraceptives and abortions that the incidence
of teenage sexual intercouse has risen greatly, but statistics that do
exist can be filed away in Government offices.
I wonder if there are any in-school programmes as part of Personal
Development that emphasise 'celibacy - abstinence - before marriage,
fidelity within it.
God wants us to overpopulate.
Gladys Swager
You really are a moron.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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27 Oct 2005 04:49:19 AM |
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Barry OGrady wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 18:45:56 -0700, wrote:
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<snip> Your metal age would appear to be around 4.
Barry, I do not have a METAL AGE. My MENTAL AGE can vary depending on
the questions that are included in the test, whether I have experienced
them and can remember the answer in the short space of time given to
complete the test.
<snip> I would think they did not want teenage children
experimenting as part of their friendships.
They wanted children to fight their God given urges.
They wanted their children to be responsible and wait until marriage
OR, thinking of their own circumstances, they did not want another baby
in the house.
'The stork' was a way of giving an explanation that, because of
ignorance, the children accepted.
Creationists are ignorant.
How can (Scientific) Creationists be 'ignorant'when a percentage of
them have PhD's in their chosen area of study?
I would think that with contraceptives and abortions that the incidence
of teenage sexual intercouse has risen greatly, but statistics that do
exist can be filed away in Government offices.
I wonder if there are any in-school programmes as part of Personal
Development that emphasise 'celibacy - abstinence - before marriage,
fidelity within it.
God wants us to overpopulate.
God wants us to be responsible in the choices we make in life. In
Biblical times when the number of people in that part of the world was
small in comparison to the available land larger families were the
norm.
Even today in countries depending on farming (with manual labour) for
the food supplies larger families are the norm, even though there is
great poverty.
They need the advancements that have come to the more developed
countries.
You really are a moron.
You do like to insult! I have never insulted you.
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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27 Oct 2005 08:58:38 AM |
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<> wrote in message
news:1130406559.797182.259750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Barry OGrady wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 18:45:56 -0700, wrote:
<snip>
<snip> Your metal age would appear to be around 4.
Barry, I do not have a METAL AGE. My MENTAL AGE can vary depending on
the questions that are included in the test, whether I have experienced
them and can remember the answer in the short space of time given to
complete the test.
<snip> I would think they did not want teenage children
experimenting as part of their friendships.
They wanted children to fight their God given urges.
They wanted their children to be responsible and wait until marriage
OR, thinking of their own circumstances, they did not want another baby
in the house.
'The stork' was a way of giving an explanation that, because of
ignorance, the children accepted.
Creationists are ignorant.
How can (Scientific) Creationists be 'ignorant'when a percentage of
them have PhD's in their chosen area of study?
[SNIP]
I have a PhD in experimental social psychology
and I know next to nothing about biology and
evolution, other than what a normally intelligent,
well-read person knows. I.e, I am certainly NOT
an expert in evolution despite having a PhD.
A PhD in a "chosen area of study" would include
comparative literature, engineering, music, etc. etc.
which have zero to do with an understanding of biology.
And what do you mean by "a percentage of them"??
A percentage of trash haulers probably have PhDs;
does that make them experts in evolutionary biology?
[That answer would be a NO.]
By asserting that so-called creationists are NOT
ignorant because some (unspecified) percentage
have PhDs in their (unspecified) "chosen area of
study", proves just how willfully ignorant
creationists are.
Gail
aa#2247 ["Shiny..."]
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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27 Oct 2005 05:28:18 AM |
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On 27 Oct 2005 02:49:19 -0700, wrote:
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You do like to insult! I have never insulted you.
Gladys Swager
You have insulted each and every reader of this groups intelligence,
every time your post your atrociously ignorant and outright fraudulent
lies.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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27 Oct 2005 09:24:04 AM |
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On 27 Oct 2005 02:49:19 -0700, wrote:
Barry OGrady wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 18:45:56 -0700, wrote:
snip
Creationists are ignorant.
How can (Scientific) Creationists be 'ignorant'when a percentage of
them have PhD's in their chosen area of study?
What does that have to do with being ignorant concerning the relevant
subject? It is no coincidence that the overwhelming majority do not
have PhD's in biology. They can only be ignorant, dishonest or both.
I would think that with contraceptives and abortions that the incidence
of teenage sexual intercouse has risen greatly, but statistics that do
exist can be filed away in Government offices.
I wonder if there are any in-school programmes as part of Personal
Development that emphasise 'celibacy - abstinence - before marriage,
fidelity within it.
God wants us to overpopulate.
God wants us to be responsible in the choices we make in life.
In that case he should say something instead of people who claim to
speak for him.
snip
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Oct 2005 08:07:35 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2005 16:26:37 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Why is it that Evolutionists ( who have a belief system, not
experimentally-tested science) oppose the presentation by Creationists
( who also have a belief system) of their views in the school system?
It is blatantly obvious. They - the evolutionists - want to control
the minds of the children. They want to claim any advances in
scientific achievements for themselves."
I can't wait for Buddika to answer...in the meantime...
Are you nuts? Creationists do not perform science, how can they make
any scientific advances to claim? What do you think, football players
should be claiming scientific advances? Evolutionists are scientists,
and only scientists make scientific advances. And are you paranoid? Do
you actually think "evolutionists" gather together to plot ways to
control children's minds? You people are getting stupider by the second.
It's cossed critical threshhold. They both fool and reinforce
themselves in a feedback loop. They've got themselves in all levels of
government from schoolboard to Presidency. They're even on the highest
cort in the land and will probably dominate that soon.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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28 Oct 2005 07:41:23 PM |
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wrote:
Budikka, You have stated in your posting, October 27, 7:02 am that your
quiz is now closed.
I can see you're an astute reader.
I can see how you have deliberately and have calculatingly set up the
quiz to 'prove' to your satisfaction that science based on evolutution
would provide the answer.
Calculatingly? You had your chance. I was going tit-for-tat with you
until October 8th when you vanished completely without a response. Now
you want to whine about it three weeks later?
The quiz was simple. it even annoucned that it was simple, yet not a
single creationist could get it right. Nor could any of them (you
included) make a supported case for the wrong answers they were trying
to offer.
I heard on TV that Tamifil
That's Tamiflu (TM)
may not be the answer if the Bird flu begins
to be transmitted from human to human.
It's not a vaccine, but it is the best preventative that we have right
now. But let's frame this in terms of the quz, shall we, and see who
is beign claculating?
The quiz asked:
If and when [Bird flu starts spreading seriously among humans] who or
what is going to save most lives?
Will it be:
A. Creation science?
B. Intelligent design?
C. Prayers of believers
D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
grounded in the science of evolution?
Well, Tamiflu is a product of the phamaceutical industry, and it is
groudned in medicine, part of which is groudned in evolution.
Did creation "science" produce Tamiflu? No!
Did creation "science" contribute anything to the Bird flu vaccine that
scientists are working on right now? No!
Did "intelligent" design produce Tamiflu? No!
Did "intelligent" design contribute anything to the Bird flu vaccine
that scientists are working on right now? No!
Did prayer produce Tamiflu? No!
Did prayer contribute anything to the Bird flu vaccine that scientists
are working on right now? No!
I'm sure if you disagree with any of the above you will present a
rational, supported argument for it rather than offer anecdote and
Bible stories.
There is a bigger issue in this matter. From the time of Charles
Darwin's work secularists began to increase their presence in
education. Before that time much of the scientisfic advancement came
from researches who had Christian beliefs.
Which is why creation scientists are *LIARS* when they try to portray
evolution as a science of atheism. All science is atheistic in the
sense that it does not seek supernatural explanations, but all sciences
are pursued by people of all faiths and nationalities. This is not at
issue. But just because some 40% of scientists are beleivers does not
mean that they sit in the lab and pray for a miracle all day long.
They pursue science exactly the same way non-believing scientsts do and
have the same rate of success or failure as far as I know.
In the post-war years Evolutionists have indoctrinated children through
the school system when many parents were unaware of the content of
science studies and also unaware that Christian scientists were
opposing those atheistic views. The secularists worked with Government
funding (salaries of teachers etc). The Christians worked from their
own resources.
You have made this claim tediously and *have never yet supported it*
Science has nothing to do with the supernatural. What has to do with
the supernatural is religion. It really is that simple. Why is this a
problem for you to grasp?
Science is taught in school, religion is taught in church. The
scientists are not taking churches to court to make them teach science.
Why is it that creationists are taking schools to court to make them
teach religion? It is hypocritical, therefore, for you to talk of
indoctrination, which is precisely what the creationists want to do.
The scientists do not. Thh scientists teach what the evidence can
support. If creationists want their faith taught in school, why are
they not doing the requisite science?
The rest of the **WORLD** has no problem with this. This "problem"
exists only in the USA.
I've asked you these questions repeatedly and you ignored them right up
tot he point where you quit responding on oct 8th.
Why is it that Evolutionists ( who have a belief system, not
experimentally-tested science)
Support this with evidence or rationale and I'll respond to it but I'm
no longer going to respond to your vindictive diatribes.
[rest of diatribe flushed where it belongs]
Budikka
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| User: "" |
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28 Oct 2005 06:28:38 PM |
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I heard on TV that Tamifil may not be the answer if the Bird flu begins
to be transmitted from human to human.
How could it be transferred to human? Mutation...a facet of evolution.
There is a bigger issue in this matter. From the time of Charles
Darwin's work secularists began to increase their presence in
education. Before that time much of the scientisfic advancement came
from researches who had Christian beliefs.
Yes, and it begs the question: why do the majority of scientists now
separate religion from science?
In the post-war years Evolutionists have indoctrinated children through
the school system when many parents were unaware of the content of
science studies and also unaware that Christian scientists were
opposing those atheistic views. The secularists worked with Government
funding (salaries of teachers etc). The Christians worked from their
own resources.
Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. There are many theistic
evolutionists. Yes, many evolutionists are atheist. Nevertheless,
scientifically, evolutionary theory is the best explaination for the
biological nature of life. If there ever is a better explanation, then
scientists will adopt it. The existence of God is a philosophical question,
not a scientific one.
Why is it that Evolutionists ( who have a belief system, not
experimentally-tested science)
Wrong. It is experimentally and empirically tested. Speciation has been
observed.
oppose the presentation by Creationists
( who also have a belief system)
of their views in the school system?
No one opposes the presentation of Creationists views in the school system.
Scientists oppose its presentation in SCIENCE classes. The philosophy of
Creationism is welcomed in philosophy classes. The concept of God is a
supernatural one, and therefore, cannot be empirically observed...by
definition. Science studies nature...not the supernatural or the
metaphysical.
It is blatantly obvious. They -
the evolutionists - want to control the minds of the children. They
want to claim any advances in scientific achievements for themselves.
Why would a scientist want to do that? If there was evidence contrary to
what 99% of scientists find to be true, they would be in the minority, not
the majority.
JR
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Oct 2005 06:19:58 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2005 16:02:51 -0700, wrote:
Budikka, You have stated in your posting, October 27, 7:02 am that your
quiz is now closed.
I can see how you have deliberately and have calculatingly set up the
quiz to 'prove' to your satisfaction that science based on evolutution
would provide the answer.
Creationists are either liars or stupid. Which are you?
I heard on TV that Tamifil may not be the answer if the Bird flu begins
to be transmitted from human to human.
There is a bigger issue in this matter. From the time of Charles
Darwin's work secularists began to increase their presence in
education. Before that time much of the scientisfic advancement came
from researches who had Christian beliefs.
But they weren't brain dead creationists who deny reality when it
conflicts with doctrine.
In the post-war years Evolutionists have indoctrinated children through
the school system when many parents were unaware of the content of
science studies and also unaware that Christian scientists were
opposing those atheistic views. The secularists worked with Government
funding (salaries of teachers etc). The Christians worked from their
own resources.
There are liars, damned liars and creationists.
Every time you pretend that creationism is science, you lie. Every
time you pretend modern science is indoctrination, atheistic etc you
lie.
Evolution is simply part of reality, no matter how much you wilfully
ignorant idiots pretend otherwise.
As such it is investigated and well understood, just like the rest of
the scientific knowledge base.
It's mechanisms are well understood: mutagens causing garbled copying
of genetic material. Filtered by survival to reproduce at all levels
from cellular to organism.
And this isn't even the only mechanism, just the most obvious one.
There is also genetic drift.
Why is it that Evolutionists ( who have a belief system, not
No such thing as an "evolutionist" outside the dishonesty of
creationists who pretend that acceptance of reality is some kind of
ideology that competes with theirs.
Reality is hardly a belief system, dishonest lying religious
fundamentalist.
experimentally-tested science) oppose the presentation by Creationists
Why do you lie? It is tested and investigated in school labs.
( who also have a belief system)
of their views in the school system? It is blatantly obvious. They -
Because creationism is a dishonest backdoor attempt to force their
religion our kids, and because you are destroying the country's
future.
the evolutionists - want to control the minds of the children. They
Liar. That is what creationists are trying to do by their backdoor
attempts to present religious fundamentalism as science.
want to claim any advances in scientific achievements for themselves.
Liar. Are you a mind reader?If not stop inventing non-existant
"motives".
Gladys Swager
Who needs to get an education desparately.
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| User: "" |
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26 Oct 2005 08:33:00 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 16:02:51 -0700, wrote:
Budikka, You have stated in your posting, October 27, 7:02 am that your
quiz is now closed.
I can see how you have deliberately and have calculatingly set up the
quiz to 'prove' to your satisfaction that science based on evolutution
would provide the answer.
Creationists are either liars or stupid. Which are you?
Christopher, I answered this earlier, but my posting was not
registered.
<snip>
Every time you pretend that creationism is science, you lie. Every
time you pretend modern science is indoctrination, atheistic etc you
lie.
I do not PRETEND. Creation scientists DO have degrees from accredited
universities. Some accepted evolution, as it was taught, in those
courses, but they have come to a scientific opinion that evolution did
not happen. This is what evolutionists cannot accept, as evidently they
do not like to have any challenge to their belief system.
....... creationism is a dishonest backdoor attempt to force their
religion our kids, and because you are destroying the country's
future.
Creationism IS NOT A BACK-DOOR ATTEMPT TO FORCE (ITS) RELIGION ON
CHILDREN. Evolutionary teaching is indoctrinating children to accept
secularism - no God created. Isn't that forcing an idea on children.
<snip>
Gladys Swager
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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27 Oct 2005 08:19:52 AM |
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In alt.atheism On 26 Oct 2005 18:33:00 -0700,
let us all know that:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 16:02:51 -0700, wrote:
Budikka, You have stated in your posting, October 27, 7:02 am that your
quiz is now closed.
I can see how you have deliberately and have calculatingly set up the
quiz to 'prove' to your satisfaction that science based on evolutution
would provide the answer.
Creationists are either liars or stupid. Which are you?
Christopher, I answered this earlier, but my posting was not
registered.
<snip>
Every time you pretend that creationism is science, you lie. Every
time you pretend modern science is indoctrination, atheistic etc you
lie.
I do not PRETEND. Creation scientists DO have degrees from accredited
universities.
...but not in "creation science", since there is no such
thing.
Some accepted evolution, as it was taught, in those
courses, but they have come to a scientific opinion that evolution did
not happen.
And you'll note that pretty much 99.999999999999999999% of
those "creation scientists" that you've mentioned have a degree in
something other than biology.
....... creationism is a dishonest backdoor attempt to force their
religion our kids, and because you are destroying the country's
future.
Creationism IS NOT A BACK-DOOR ATTEMPT TO FORCE (ITS) RELIGION ON
CHILDREN.
YES IT IS.
Evolutionary teaching is indoctrinating children
Just as spheroid earth teaching is indoctrinating children,
right?
Don
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Oct 2005 08:44:26 PM |
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On 26 Oct 2005 18:33:00 -0700, wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 16:02:51 -0700, wrote:
Budikka, You have stated in your posting, October 27, 7:02 am that your
quiz is now closed.
I can see how you have deliberately and have calculatingly set up the
quiz to 'prove' to your satisfaction that science based on evolutution
would provide the answer.
Creationists are either liars or stupid. Which are you?
Christopher, I answered this earlier, but my posting was not
registered.
<snip>
Every time you pretend that creationism is science, you lie. Every
time you pretend modern science is indoctrination, atheistic etc you
lie.
I do not PRETEND. Creation scientists DO have degrees from accredited
Yes you do. Because nobody could be that stupid. You fool nobody but
yourselves.
universities. Some accepted evolution, as it was taught, in those
But not in any origins-related science. They don't even know what
science is.
courses, but they have come to a scientific opinion that evolution did
Liar.
That is like saying "scientific opinion that the Earth is flat".
not happen. This is what evolutionists cannot accept, as evidently they
Liar. There is no such thing as an evolutionist. It's a dishonest
label you apply to people with a better grasp on reality than you, to
pretend that it is an ideology.
do not like to have any challenge to their belief system.
You're both lying and stupid.
Creation isn't science, no matter how much you liars pretend. Nor is
it a belief system no matter how much you liars pretend.
Evolution is the label given to certain observed phenomena. The theory
of evolution is its well understood, testable and tested, predictive
explanation.
....... creationism is a dishonest backdoor attempt to force their
religion our kids, and because you are destroying the country's
future.
Creationism IS NOT A BACK-DOOR ATTEMPT TO FORCE (ITS) RELIGION ON
CHILDREN.
That is an outright lie. And you know it.
Evolutionary teaching is indoctrinating children to accept
secularism - no God created. Isn't that forcing an idea on children.
Liar. Even in the educationally backward USA maybe four times as many
Christians atheists accept it as part of reality. They'd be stupid not
to.
And it's not controversial anywhere else. Christians everywhere else
accept it.
<snip>
Gladys Swager
Get an education before you embarrass yourself even more.
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| User: "Dave Worthey" |
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02 Oct 2005 03:47:13 PM |
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In article <1128118597.234981.233200
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
says...
[|] :This article:
[|] :http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4292426.stm
[|] :reports that bird flu, once it gets loose among the human population,
[|] :could conceivably kill anywhere between 2 million and 150 million.
[|] :
[|] :Even 2 million would make the 9/11 death toll look paltry.
[|] :
[|] :If and when this happens, who or what is going to save most lives?
[|] :Will it be:
[|] :A. Creation science?
[|] :B. Intelligent design?
[|] :C. Prayers of believers
[|] :D. The hard work of scientists whose understanding of the virus is
[|] :grounded in the science of evolution?
[|] :
[|] :Support your answer with solid evidence.
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[|] :Budikka
The scientific community, since the other options are
not comprised of individuals with the capacity to
assist.
Essentially you have given the choices
a. belief
b. belief
c. practice of belief
d. individuals capable of acting on behalf of the
afflicted.
Thank you for playing...;0)
davers_dfd
davers_dfd
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