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17 Apr 2004 08:05:13 AM |
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"Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
"Sinful beings standing in God's presence"
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
It seems that Satan, at least, can stand in the very presence of God.
I
think that he should qualify as somebody sinful. No?
I've seen some very confused Christians who have been told repeatedly
that
"God cannot look upon sin."
Also, while Adam and Eve hid from God, God didn't seem to have a
problem talking to them face to face after their sin.
To the idea that hell is seperation and God can't get near sin, I like
to ask whether we are seperated right now from God?
Why does God hold us to a standard that we are inherently incapable of
meeting?
If sin cannot stand in the presence of God,Think of Mary womb as the
dwelling place of God Incarnate. if Mary were sinless then she would
not be under the penalty of death.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
sin;
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Ro 5:12
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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17 Apr 2004 09:16:44 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
"Sinful beings standing in God's presence"
I've seen some very confused Christians who have been told
repeatedly that "God cannot look upon sin."
This if from the New Testament.
Also, while Adam and Eve hid from God, God didn't seem to have > a problem
talking to them face to face after their sin.
And of course plenty of sinners met Jesus face to face during His earthly
life, and also after the resurrection.
However mystics believe that there is an experience of "the presence" of the
Father which is qualitatively different from the presence of the Son, and
which is incompatible with sin.
We don't fully understand the Trinity, nor what it means to say "God is
present" in this place. So by pulling quotes from the Bible you get
confusing and fractured information, just as you would if you were to try to
explain an aeroplane to an aborigine.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
17 Apr 2004 10:05:57 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Malcolm:
We don't fully understand the Trinity, nor what it means to say "God is
present" in this place. So by pulling quotes from the Bible you get
confusing and fractured information, just as you would if you were to
try to explain an aeroplane to an aborigine.
Not to worry, I don't think anyone understands the trinity. That's because
it makes no sense. As for your airplane to aborigines analogy, it fails on
one count. We have evidence for the existence of airplanes. Since gods
don't exist, it would be more accurate to say, "if you were to try to
explain a crazy myth to a logician."
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
17 Apr 2004 12:34:17 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
As for your airplane to aborigines analogy, it fails on
one count. We have evidence for the existence of airplanes.
We also have evidence for the Trinity. Jesus regarded Himself as divine, and
spoke of the Holy Spirit. You might say that "the evidence is not so
conclusive that I, a 21st century Westerner, cannot reject it without
absurdity." That's another matter.
Since gods don't exist, it would be more accurate to say, "if you
were to try to explain a crazy myth to a logician."
If a god did exist, it's likely that He would have characteristics hard to
understand. The neurologist Vladimir Ramachandran describes some patients
who are paralysed, but deny the fact with seeming sincerity. He poses the
question, what would happen if a neurologist who knows about this condition
developed it, and how do I know that I am not such a neurologist? Being a
logician doesn't mean that you transcend the limits of the human mind.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Apr 2004 06:07:20 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:34:17 +0100, "Malcolm"
<malcolm@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
As for your airplane to aborigines analogy, it fails on
one count. We have evidence for the existence of airplanes.
We also have evidence for the Trinity.
No, you don't - that is have any real world evidecne.
Jesus regarded Himself as divine, and
spoke of the Holy Spirit.
According to the Christian mythos. But for that to be treated as
evidecne you have to show (a) that he existed in order to (b) regard
himself as divine, and (c) he actually was.
You might say that "the evidence is not so
conclusive that I, a 21st century Westerner, cannot reject it without
absurdity." That's another matter.
Except that it isn't evidence.
Since gods don't exist, it would be more accurate to say, "if you
were to try to explain a crazy myth to a logician."
If a god did exist, it's likely that He would have characteristics hard to
understand. The neurologist Vladimir Ramachandran describes some patients
who are paralysed, but deny the fact with seeming sincerity. He poses the
question, what would happen if a neurologist who knows about this condition
developed it, and how do I know that I am not such a neurologist? Being a
logician doesn't mean that you transcend the limits of the human mind.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
17 Apr 2004 05:38:05 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Malcolm:
We also have evidence for the Trinity.
Where?
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Carol T" |
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25 Apr 2004 01:58:08 PM |
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(Vic Sagerquist) wrote in message news:<94CE504E3vicman@127.0.0.1>...
Not to worry, I don't think anyone understands the
trinity. That's because it makes no sense. <<<<<<<<<<<,
Father God, His Holy Spirit, descended on a man of 'pure' faith. 3
becomes 1.
"When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water;
and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of
God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a
voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am
well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17
Jesus was God's Son, but unlike any other Jew He was pure to His
faith. He practiced it as God commanded and challenged the ways and
thinking of those who were preaching in God's name. Those Jews who
were living a Jewish life in name only had to come to know the worth
and price of sacrifice as their forefathers understood.
This happened during Christ's time; those Jews who came to understand
the meaning of sacrifice through the death of the Saviour they had
come to love went on to establish churches who taught Jesus' teachings
and way of life.
Jesus taught that we should love our neighbours; and as anyone can be
your neighbour at any one time, this command extends to all people.
Although Jesus taught this, it is actually a requirement of the Jewish
faith in the O/T (Lev 19:18)VAYIKRA. Jesus was simply reminding his
brothers how to the high priests their own faith commands of them,
whilst at the same time ministering to His flock.
Jesus was a son of all the Jewish people, he is a son many have yet to
grieve for.
To be in awe of God, as today's Jews who love God are, and not have
any part of yourself or life great enough to show Him how awesome He
is to you must cause great pain. A people in pain need their Saviour.
God is patient, there are still seeds of faith and there is a time for
all things.
Carol T
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
29 Apr 2004 12:40:34 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Carol T:
Father God, His Holy Spirit, descended on a man of 'pure' faith. 3
becomes 1.
If this makes sense to you, fine. I find it ridiculous.
"When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water;
and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of
God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a
voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am
well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17
Wild extraordinary claims require wild extraordinary proof. Got any?
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Uncle Guido" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
17 Apr 2004 11:23:46 AM |
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Uncle Guido
Datsa not my real name. Guido
wasa my great uncle who shot a
KKK guy inna da arm (really).
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:19:25 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:23:46 GMT in
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, Uncle Guido ("Uncle Guido"
<guidouncle@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night.
Set him on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life,
as we say in the Inquisition.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Woden" |
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17 Apr 2004 03:44:14 PM |
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"Uncle Guido" <guidouncle@hotmail.com> honored us in alt.atheism with the
following discourse:
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll waste time praying instead of fishing.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Family Man" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
18 Apr 2004 02:19:30 PM |
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"Uncle Guido" <guidouncle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mScgc.1561$eK3.444@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Unless of course those "other hungry people" are not christians.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 Apr 2004 03:34:42 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Family Man:
"Uncle Guido" <guidouncle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mScgc.1561$eK3.444@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a
fish.
--Timothy Jones
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Unless of course those "other hungry people" are not christians.
In which case they are probably intelligent enough to assemble a line &
tackle and catch their own fish.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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18 Apr 2004 02:25:06 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:23:46 GMT, "Uncle Guido"
<guidouncle@hotmail.com> wrote:
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will sit all day in a boat drinking beer.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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18 Apr 2004 04:12:19 AM |
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Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> astounded us with:
news:vjk380lnk3g4f2svqan7gcrja54871huoq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:23:46 GMT, "Uncle Guido"
<guidouncle@hotmail.com> wrote:
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will sit all day in a boat drinking beer.
You say that like it's a bad thing...
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Phÿltêr
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 Apr 2004 01:27:35 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Phÿltêr:
Jos Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> astounded us with:
news:vjk380lnk3g4f2svqan7gcrja54871huoq@4ax.com:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:23:46 GMT, "Uncle Guido"
<guidouncle@hotmail.com> wrote:
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will sit all day in a boat drinking beer.
You say that like it's a bad thing...
It gets worse with age...
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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18 Apr 2004 11:43:08 AM |
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Jos Flachs wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:23:46 GMT, "Uncle Guido"
<guidouncle@hotmail.com> wrote:
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will sit all day in a boat drinking beer.
Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ and he'll be on TV asking for those loving offerings of
fish to be sent in today.
--
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun
in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to
Canada. So I chose to better myself and learn to fly airplanes."
- George W. Bush May 1984 to the Houston Chronicle
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "TCS" |
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18 Apr 2004 03:22:58 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:43:08 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Jos Flachs wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:23:46 GMT, "Uncle Guido"
<guidouncle@hotmail.com> wrote:
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will sit all day in a boat drinking beer.
Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ and he'll be on TV asking for those loving offerings of
fish to be sent in today.
Give a man christ and he'll feel justified killing his neighbor for being so
sinfull for not giving him his fish.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:06:51 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Uncle Guido:
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll share his fish wid other hungry people.
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give a man Christ, and he'll tell the fish they're going to hell.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Jez" |
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19 Apr 2004 08:09:56 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0404170505.7aa2098e@posting.google.com...
"Sinful beings standing in God's presence"
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
It seems that Satan, at least, can stand in the very presence of God.
I
think that he should qualify as somebody sinful. No?
I've seen some very confused Christians who have been told repeatedly
that
"God cannot look upon sin"
I wonder what 'God' would see if we gave him a mirror to look into.
Wonder if it would freak him out a bit !
'Man I have some bad wrinkles.....'
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Dore" |
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21 Apr 2004 08:59:29 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0404170505.7aa2098e@posting.google.com...
"Sinful beings standing in God's presence"
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
It seems that Satan, at least, can stand in the very presence of God.
I
think that he should qualify as somebody sinful. No?
I've seen some very confused Christians who have been told repeatedly
that
"God cannot look upon sin."
Yea, Satan stands and trembles before Him, however God is GOD, there is
NOTHING that He does NOT see.
cont
Also, while Adam and Eve hid from God, God didn't seem to have a
problem talking to them face to face after their sin.
That's because God fears nothing.
cont
To the idea that hell is seperation and God can't get near sin, I like
to ask whether we are seperated right now from God?
Yes, YOU are.
cont
Why does God hold us to a standard that we are inherently incapable of
meeting?
I met it, what is your problem?
cont
If sin cannot stand in the presence of God,Think of Mary womb as the
dwelling place of God Incarnate. if Mary were sinless then she would
not be under the penalty of death.
Mary was sinless at the time of conception, but nobody said she stayed that
way.
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0404170505.7aa2098e@posting.google.com...
"Sinful beings standing in God's presence"
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
It seems that Satan, at least, can stand in the very presence of God.
I
think that he should qualify as somebody sinful. No?
I've seen some very confused Christians who have been told repeatedly
that
"God cannot look upon sin."
Also, while Adam and Eve hid from God, God didn't seem to have a
problem talking to them face to face after their sin.
To the idea that hell is seperation and God can't get near sin, I like
to ask whether we are seperated right now from God?
Why does God hold us to a standard that we are inherently incapable of
meeting?
If sin cannot stand in the presence of God,Think of Mary womb as the
dwelling place of God Incarnate. if Mary were sinless then she would
not be under the penalty of death.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
sin;
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Ro 5:12
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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27 Apr 2004 02:25:49 AM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0404170505.7aa2098e@posting.google.com>...
"Sinful beings standing in God's presence"
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
It seems that Satan, at least, can stand in the very presence of God.
I think that he should qualify as somebody sinful. No?
I've seen some very confused Christians who have been told repeatedly
that "God cannot look upon sin."
If you were told it repeatedly, then it probably is no use telling you
again. But for the benefit of real "truth hunters" out there, here is
the Bible verse that backs up this statement:
"Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on
iniquity:" Habakkuk 1:13a
The expression means that when God sees evil, his justice requires him
to judge it and therefore destroy it. And no surprise, the Bible
clearly says that Satan is cast out of heaven, and will ultimately be
cast into the lake of fire; and so will every other unforgiven sinner
in the world. This is why Salvation in Jesus Christ is so important.
Also, while Adam and Eve hid from God, God didn't seem to have a
problem talking to them face to face after their sin.
When God shows grace in the Old Testament, look for the picture of
Jesus. Here we find the first sacrifice, God made skins for them to
replace their pitiful fig leafs.
To the idea that hell is seperation and God can't get near sin, I like
to ask whether we are seperated right now from God?
The "Hell is separation" idea comes from a liberal theology that
doesn't want to scare anyone by mentioning torment, flames, etc. Our
sins have spiritually separated us from God right now, but eternal
punishment, the second death, comes after death for those who have not
received Jesus Christ as their saviour and Lord.
Read from the Old Testatment: "But your iniquities have separated
between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you,
that he will not hear." Isaiah 59:2
Why does God hold us to a standard that we are inherently incapable of
meeting?
Having a hard time being perfect, so you are seeking to justify
yourself by rationalizing? Read the Bible, "the LORD appeared to
Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and
be thou perfect." Genesis 17:1; "Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD
thy God." Deuteronomy 18:13, etc.
"And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is
an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your
transgressions nor your sins.
If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and
do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good."
Joshua 24:19-20
Perfection is the requirement. Adam and Even only broke one little ol'
rule. You cannot justify sinner-man, you got no where to run to.
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect." Matthew 5:48
Paul, formerly a devout Pharisee, famously addressed the Jewish
mentality of superiority in this passage:
"Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law
dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the
Gentiles through you, as it is written. For circumcision verily
profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law,
thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the
uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his
uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not
uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee,
who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?" Romans
2:23-27
If sin cannot stand in the presence of God,Think of Mary womb as the
dwelling place of God Incarnate. if Mary were sinless then she would
not be under the penalty of death.
Nothing new about this, think about Jacob who saw face to face and
lived.
The rabbis would pray something like this, "God, I pray that your
quality of mercy will overcome your quality of justice, so that we can
stand in your presence." Mercy and Justice intersected on wooden
cross-beams 2,000 years ago, but the rabbis saw only justice, and not
mercy.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
sin;
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Ro 5:12
Romans 5:12 is talking about Adam, our federal head, and like our
father we are all.
"And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love
which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all
acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of
whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me
first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern
to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now
unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be
honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." 1 Timothy 1:14-17.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
18 Apr 2004 04:50:07 PM |
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On 17 Apr 2004 06:05:13 -0700, (Truth Hunter) wrote:
"Sinful beings standing in God's presence"
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
It seems that Satan, at least, can stand in the very presence of God.
I
think that he should qualify as somebody sinful. No?
I've seen some very confused Christians who have been told repeatedly
that
"God cannot look upon sin."
The bible says that sin cannot enter heaven. A purging is necessary first.
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| User: "DOC" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
19 Apr 2004 06:56:34 AM |
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In article <out5801v4sfm497ad56mhe3qhj5rohi5cd@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
The bible says that sin cannot enter heaven. A purging is necessary first.
No it isn't. You're as willfully stubborn and foolish as the very
atheists you're letting on you correct here......
JESUS paid the full price. Your imaginary 'purgatory' doesn't exist.
Stop lying and trying to promote false romanist teachings in the Baptist
group.
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
19 Apr 2004 07:18:35 AM |
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"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aed7a6a810e058b98a23c@corp.supernews.com...
In article <out5801v4sfm497ad56mhe3qhj5rohi5cd@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
The bible says that sin cannot enter heaven. A purging is necessary
first.
No it isn't. You're as willfully stubborn and foolish as the very
atheists you're letting on you correct here......
JESUS paid the full price. Your imaginary 'purgatory' doesn't exist.
Stop lying and trying to promote false romanist teachings in the Baptist
group.
Doc dearest,
Tut, tut, tut. The phrase "false Romanist teachings" is redundant, and
repetitious too.....
That's what you get for being a nurse and not an English teacher. ;o)
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
WMD's Constructed, Lesbians Converted.
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| User: "DOC" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
19 Apr 2004 06:03:41 PM |
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In article <vsPgc.13130$l75.11309@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
not@good.address sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aed7a6a810e058b98a23c@corp.supernews.com...
In article <out5801v4sfm497ad56mhe3qhj5rohi5cd@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
The bible says that sin cannot enter heaven. A purging is necessary
first.
No it isn't. You're as willfully stubborn and foolish as the very
atheists you're letting on you correct here......
JESUS paid the full price. Your imaginary 'purgatory' doesn't exist.
Stop lying and trying to promote false romanist teachings in the Baptist
group.
Doc dearest,
Tut, tut, tut. The phrase "false Romanist teachings" is redundant, and
repetitious too.....
That's what you get for being a nurse and not an English teacher. ;o)
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
WMD's Constructed, Lesbians Converted.
But........... I have taught English- I'm a registered tutor with Laubach
:O)
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
19 Apr 2004 06:31:16 PM |
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"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aee16c788b95a3b98a249@corp.supernews.com...
In article <vsPgc.13130$l75.11309@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
not@good.address sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aed7a6a810e058b98a23c@corp.supernews.com...
In article <out5801v4sfm497ad56mhe3qhj5rohi5cd@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
The bible says that sin cannot enter heaven. A purging is necessary
first.
No it isn't. You're as willfully stubborn and foolish as the very
atheists you're letting on you correct here......
JESUS paid the full price. Your imaginary 'purgatory' doesn't exist.
Stop lying and trying to promote false romanist teachings in the
Baptist
group.
Doc dearest,
Tut, tut, tut. The phrase "false Romanist teachings" is redundant,
and
repetitious too.....
That's what you get for being a nurse and not an English teacher.
;o)
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
WMD's Constructed, Lesbians Converted.
But........... I have taught English- I'm a registered tutor with Laubach
:O)
I taught English too. The 12th graders were required to study the sermon
"Sinners in the hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards. So much for
separation of church and state! I gave it to those kids with both barrels; I
have a very deep booming voice.
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
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| User: "DOC" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
20 Apr 2004 08:10:40 AM |
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In article <8jZgc.1153$gH6.490@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
not@good.address sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aee16c788b95a3b98a249@corp.supernews.com...
In article <vsPgc.13130$l75.11309@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
not@good.address sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1aed7a6a810e058b98a23c@corp.supernews.com...
In article <out5801v4sfm497ad56mhe3qhj5rohi5cd@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
The bible says that sin cannot enter heaven. A purging is necessary
first.
No it isn't. You're as willfully stubborn and foolish as the very
atheists you're letting on you correct here......
JESUS paid the full price. Your imaginary 'purgatory' doesn't exist.
Stop lying and trying to promote false romanist teachings in the
Baptist
group.
Doc dearest,
Tut, tut, tut. The phrase "false Romanist teachings" is redundant,
and
repetitious too.....
That's what you get for being a nurse and not an English teacher.
;o)
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
WMD's Constructed, Lesbians Converted.
But........... I have taught English- I'm a registered tutor with Laubach
:O)
I taught English too. The 12th graders were required to study the sermon
"Sinners in the hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards. So much for
separation of church and state! I gave it to those kids with both barrels; I
have a very deep booming voice.
--
Gomez Addams, CEO, Addams Industries Unltd.
Man-eating Tigers Exterminated, Wine Tasted,
Looney Detection, Bridges Burned, Money Buried.
Well, I don't teach in the regular schools. I teach developmentally
delayed and slow-learners.
It's a different kind of teaching altogether, I'm told, in that we need
to have a lot of patience with 'em and repeat, repeat, repeat!!!!
Often I have seen a student forget what I've said only seconds after
saying it..... often I enter the info on the blackboard, and redirect
those who can print or write to copy notes that way.
Others, of course, need to be taught from scratch how to read, write,
add, subtract, multiply, etc......
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
20 Apr 2004 10:11:12 AM |
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"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote
Well, I don't teach in the regular schools. I teach developmentally
delayed and slow-learners.
It's a different kind of teaching altogether, I'm told, in that we need
to have a lot of patience with 'em and repeat, repeat, repeat!!!!
Often I have seen a student forget what I've said only seconds after
saying it..... often I enter the info on the blackboard, and redirect
those who can print or write to copy notes that way.
Others, of course, need to be taught from scratch how to read, write,
add, subtract, multiply, etc......
I did special ed for awhile. I had one student who was in a wheelchair
with O2, and he refused to answer to any name but his mother's maiden
name..... He was an imbecile; it was pitiful..... But he has a smile that
makes it all worth while! :-)
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| User: "DOC" |
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| Title: Re: "Sinful beings standing in God's presence" |
20 Apr 2004 02:35:03 PM |
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In article <k4bhc.3177$gH6.113@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
not@good.address sez in this lil' ole news'froup...!
"DOC" <DOC@idunno.net> wrote
Well, I don't teach in the regular schools. I teach developmentally
delayed and slow-learners.
It's a different kind of teaching altogether, I'm told, in that we need
to have a lot of patience with 'em and repeat, repeat, repeat!!!!
Often I have seen a student forget what I've said only seconds after
saying it..... often I enter the info on the blackboard, and redirect
those who can print or write to copy notes that way.
Others, of course, need to be taught from scratch how to read, write,
add, subtract, multiply, etc......
I did special ed for awhile. I had one student who was in a wheelchair
with O2, and he refused to answer to any name but his mother's maiden
name..... He was an imbecile; it was pitiful..... But he has a smile that
makes it all worth while! :-)
Yes, that is a fact, many have their own personal beacon that makes 'em
stand out.
and look at the classificatin, "idiot savant"
Hell of a name to label 'em with, I think......but while these people are
classed as 'idiots' they have a special, superior talent, untaught by
anyone...... strange isn't it??
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Sinful beings tremble in God's presence!!! |
19 Apr 2004 06:33:03 PM |
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Robyn
Resident Witch & Upchucker
LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
That's a keeper!!!!!
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