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http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold1208,0,5515557.story
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Medford single mother called back to active duty in Iraq
BY MARTIN C. EVANS
STAFF WRITER
December 8, 2005
While most of her friends and neighbors are amusing themselves with
Christmas decorations and holiday gifts, Patricia Arndt is fretting over far
more serious matters.
The single mother from Medford has been unexpectedly pulled from the
inactive Army reserve and ordered to report for active duty by Feb. 5.
As Christmas nears, Arndt, 43, is trying to sell the Medford home she
says she will not be able to keep on an Army salary of approximately $60,000
a year, and is searching for someone to care for her 13-year-old son, Shane.
She expects to train for an 18-month tour of duty that could take her to
Iraq or Afghanistan.
She said she never saw her return to active duty as a possibility.
"Never in a million years," she said.
"This is a very hard thing for me," she said. "I absolutely love my
country. I feel I owe it to the Army and my fellow soldiers, because I
wouldn't be here without them.
"If I were a reservist assigned to a unit, I'd have been trained and
informed of the possibility that I would be called. I'm not prepared for
this."
U.S. Army officials said Arndt is not being treated unfairly.
"Single parents are treated no differently than any other soldier, and
are expected to have a family care plan at all times," said Army spokeswoman
Lt. Col. Pamela Hart.
Arndt, a respiratory therapist at Brookhaven Memorial Hospital Medical
Center and a small-business owner, has been called back to active status
after 20 years as a reservist. She spent four years of active duty in the
Army in the 1980s based in Germany prior to becoming "an individual
mobilization augmentee reservist" -- which required her to fill in for
regular duty soldiers called to overseas duty.
Last year, she said, she was transferred to another category called
the Individual Ready Reserve, which made her eligible for a combat
assignment. She is to report to Fort Jackson, S.C.
Her return to active duty will leave her teenage son without a parent
for 18 months, she said, and cost her more than $100,000 in income during
that time.
As the U.S. Army has lagged in meeting recruiting goals, Arndt's story
is another indication of how the ongoing war in Iraq is forcing bigger
responsibilities onto the shoulders of a relatively small number of military
personnel. Officials have said that many of the 172,000 troops serving in
Iraq and Afghanistan are on their second or third tours of duty.
Increasingly, the military has turned to so-called stop-loss orders --
preventing some military personnel from retiring -- and to National Guard
soldiers or older reservists to fill the ranks.
According to Army officials, approximately 110,000 Army personnel are
listed in the Individual Ready Reserve. By law, they may be called up for as
long as two years to fill vacancies. But because they are not attached to
any unit, they may go years without the training and supervision needed to
transition back to active duty, officials said. The Army has traditionally
not sent IRR soldiers into battle.
The war in Iraq, now 21/2 years old, has changed that. Currently, more
than 6,500 ready reservists have been called back to active duty, including
Chief Warrant Officer Margaret Murray, 56, of Schenectady. While receiving
training at Fort Jackson last year, Murray told Newsday that she hoped she
would not be sent into combat. If she is sent, she said, "I'll do the best I
can."
Pentagon officials say soldiers who volunteered for the reserves knew
they could be called up at any time.
"Why I got activated and called, I have no idea," Arndt said. "People
have no idea what this is doing to families."
Almost half of IRR members who have been reactivated have asked to
have their recalls delayed or eliminated, officials said. Of those requests,
one quarter were from single parents or other soldiers with family problems
arranging for the care of a child or other dependent. The remainder were for
medical reasons, financial hardship or other difficulties.
Arndt, who is also appealing her orders, is far from alone. Almost 8
percent of all current Army personnel -- and 13.8 percent of female
soldiers -- are single parents, the officials said.
Arndt, who never married, at first arranged to have Shane live with
her sister. But those plans are in danger of falling through, she said,
because of family problems. She said her son's emotional well-being worries
her the most.
"He says, 'My father's not here, you're not here, why should I be
here?'" Arndt said. "His life as he knows it is gone."
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She's been out of the army for twenty years, and they
expect her to have a babysitter always available! This
is totally reprehensible. I can't wait until Bush and his
cronies are all up on treason charges for this phony war,
plus over 2200 murder charges for the US alone.
What happens if she can't get a family member or friend
to take in the poor kid. Would she have to put him in
foster care? And, if she gets killed, then what? I thought
there was some kind of rule against forcing single parents
into the service.
And, their forcing a 56 year old back into possible combat
duty! Why should this surprise me when they've already
forced doctors over 70 back into the service in Iraq?
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
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BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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In article <yJCdnUspkpuQjAfenZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold1208,0,5515557.story
Long Island
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Medford single mother called back to active duty in Iraq
BY MARTIN C. EVANS
STAFF WRITER
December 8, 2005
While most of her friends and neighbors are amusing themselves with
Christmas decorations and holiday gifts, Patricia Arndt is fretting over far
more serious matters.
<snip>
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She's been out of the army for twenty years, and they
expect her to have a babysitter always available! This
is totally reprehensible. I can't wait until Bush and his
cronies are all up on treason charges for this phony war,
plus over 2200 murder charges for the US alone.
The problem is that we went to war with too small an army. We could
defeat the regular Iraqi forces because of superior firepower, but we
lack the number of troops to occupy the country. Then again we were
suppose to be welcomed as liberators, etc. ...
What happens if she can't get a family member or friend
to take in the poor kid. Would she have to put him in
foster care? And, if she gets killed, then what? I thought
there was some kind of rule against forcing single parents
into the service.
If not there should be. One more example of the administration putting
policy before people.
And, their forcing a 56 year old back into possible combat
duty! Why should this surprise me when they've already
forced doctors over 70 back into the service in Iraq?
What next? Will they start raiding the nursing homes?
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
Really, and make the rest of the chickenhawks go with him. If one wants
to lead a country into war, one should be willing to put his/her life on
the line too.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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09 Dec 2005 09:38:19 PM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold1208,0,5515557.story
Medford single mother called back to active duty in Iraq
<snip>
While most of her friends and neighbors are amusing themselves with
Christmas decorations and holiday gifts, Patricia Arndt is fretting over far
more serious matters.
The single mother from Medford has been unexpectedly pulled from the
inactive Army reserve and ordered to report for active duty by Feb. 5.
<snip>
*****************************************
She's been out of the army for twenty years, and they
expect her to have a babysitter always available! This
is totally reprehensible. I can't wait until Bush and his
cronies are all up on treason charges for this phony war,
plus over 2200 murder charges for the US alone.
Hey, if she isn't upset and angry, if she isn't up in arms about
it, then send her over. Anyone who talks about "patriotism" in
the face of such blatant stupidity deserves what they get.
What happens if she can't get a family member or friend
to take in the poor kid. Would she have to put him in
foster care? And, if she gets killed, then what? I thought
there was some kind of rule against forcing single parents
into the service.
Just like there are rules against torture.
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
And earlier this year, the US military was using underhanded
tactics to recruit teens as young as 13 by offering money up
front for later enlistment.
It's nothing like Nazi Germany in 1945. Nothing at all.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"Sooner or later the despairing Churches will try to get
a world-alliance with something like Fascist tyranny to
check the growth of Atheism. It is their one hope."
- Joseph McCabe
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11 Dec 2005 07:39:25 PM |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:19:50 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold1208,0,5515557.story
Long Island
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Medford single mother called back to active duty in Iraq
BY MARTIN C. EVANS
STAFF WRITER
December 8, 2005
While most of her friends and neighbors are amusing themselves with
Christmas decorations and holiday gifts, Patricia Arndt is fretting over far
more serious matters.
The single mother from Medford has been unexpectedly pulled from the
inactive Army reserve and ordered to report for active duty by Feb. 5.
As Christmas nears, Arndt, 43, is trying to sell the Medford home she
says she will not be able to keep on an Army salary of approximately $60,000
a year, and is searching for someone to care for her 13-year-old son, Shane.
She expects to train for an 18-month tour of duty that could take her to
Iraq or Afghanistan.
She said she never saw her return to active duty as a possibility.
"Never in a million years," she said.
"This is a very hard thing for me," she said. "I absolutely love my
country. I feel I owe it to the Army and my fellow soldiers, because I
wouldn't be here without them.
"If I were a reservist assigned to a unit, I'd have been trained and
informed of the possibility that I would be called. I'm not prepared for
this."
U.S. Army officials said Arndt is not being treated unfairly.
"Single parents are treated no differently than any other soldier, and
are expected to have a family care plan at all times," said Army spokeswoman
Lt. Col. Pamela Hart.
Arndt, a respiratory therapist at Brookhaven Memorial Hospital Medical
Center and a small-business owner, has been called back to active status
after 20 years as a reservist. She spent four years of active duty in the
Army in the 1980s based in Germany prior to becoming "an individual
mobilization augmentee reservist" -- which required her to fill in for
regular duty soldiers called to overseas duty.
Last year, she said, she was transferred to another category called
the Individual Ready Reserve, which made her eligible for a combat
assignment. She is to report to Fort Jackson, S.C.
Her return to active duty will leave her teenage son without a parent
for 18 months, she said, and cost her more than $100,000 in income during
that time.
As the U.S. Army has lagged in meeting recruiting goals, Arndt's story
is another indication of how the ongoing war in Iraq is forcing bigger
responsibilities onto the shoulders of a relatively small number of military
personnel. Officials have said that many of the 172,000 troops serving in
Iraq and Afghanistan are on their second or third tours of duty.
Increasingly, the military has turned to so-called stop-loss orders --
preventing some military personnel from retiring -- and to National Guard
soldiers or older reservists to fill the ranks.
According to Army officials, approximately 110,000 Army personnel are
listed in the Individual Ready Reserve. By law, they may be called up for as
long as two years to fill vacancies. But because they are not attached to
any unit, they may go years without the training and supervision needed to
transition back to active duty, officials said. The Army has traditionally
not sent IRR soldiers into battle.
The war in Iraq, now 21/2 years old, has changed that. Currently, more
than 6,500 ready reservists have been called back to active duty, including
Chief Warrant Officer Margaret Murray, 56, of Schenectady. While receiving
training at Fort Jackson last year, Murray told Newsday that she hoped she
would not be sent into combat. If she is sent, she said, "I'll do the best I
can."
Pentagon officials say soldiers who volunteered for the reserves knew
they could be called up at any time.
"Why I got activated and called, I have no idea," Arndt said. "People
have no idea what this is doing to families."
Almost half of IRR members who have been reactivated have asked to
have their recalls delayed or eliminated, officials said. Of those requests,
one quarter were from single parents or other soldiers with family problems
arranging for the care of a child or other dependent. The remainder were for
medical reasons, financial hardship or other difficulties.
Arndt, who is also appealing her orders, is far from alone. Almost 8
percent of all current Army personnel -- and 13.8 percent of female
soldiers -- are single parents, the officials said.
Arndt, who never married, at first arranged to have Shane live with
her sister. But those plans are in danger of falling through, she said,
because of family problems. She said her son's emotional well-being worries
her the most.
"He says, 'My father's not here, you're not here, why should I be
here?'" Arndt said. "His life as he knows it is gone."
*****************************************
She's been out of the army for twenty years, and they
expect her to have a babysitter always available! This
is totally reprehensible. I can't wait until Bush and his
cronies are all up on treason charges for this phony war,
plus over 2200 murder charges for the US alone.
No, she hasn't been out of the military for twenty years.
Patricia Arndt, 43. 20 years as a reservist and 4 years active duty.
Last year, probably after reaching 'high year of tenure,' she was
forced out of Reserve status and placed in the IRR.
At the least the reporter has her age wrong. She may be 53-although
that would really be pushing the lower limit, but not 43.
ShrubCoŽ will never be brought up on charges much less 'Nuremberged.'
The fact is; the monthly pay after being retired isn't 'retirement
pay.' It is retainer pay. Retirees maintain access to military bases
and transportation possibilities in case they do get recalled. People
can be recalled until, iirc, age 59.
If I had not lost my "world-wide capability" status (medically
retired) I'd be on the IRR list myself. Taking care of family
committments is the problem of the service member/retainered service
member. People are fully aware of that. In the past the retainer pay
was effectively retirement pay. Just as Hitler utilized the elderly
for troops so is ShrubCo.
What happens if she can't get a family member or friend
to take in the poor kid. Would she have to put him in
foster care?
Or leave him to his own devices. That is her personal problem, not
the military's.
And, if she gets killed, then what?
If she gets killed then her kid gets the funds from her life insurance
policy as well as any other benefits.
I thought there was some kind of rule against forcing single parents
into the service.
The lady wasn't forced into service, as I indicated above. She could
have not reinlisted at any point before reaching twenty years. This
is all based on the choices *she* made with her eyes wide open,
Mickey.
And, their forcing a 56 year old back into possible combat
duty!
Same situation as per Arndt, Mickey, and every other person with
twenty years, or more, in service.
Why should this surprise me when they've already
forced doctors over 70 back into the service in Iraq?
They can't *force* doctors over 70 back into service. They can issue
orders, but the individual doesn't have to accept them.
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
Don't be silly, Mickey. Hypocrisy Uber Alles.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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14 Dec 2005 02:06:34 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:19:50 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold1208,0,5515557.story
Long Island
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Medford single mother called back to active duty in Iraq
BY MARTIN C. EVANS
STAFF WRITER
December 8, 2005
While most of her friends and neighbors are amusing themselves with
Christmas decorations and holiday gifts, Patricia Arndt is fretting over
far
more serious matters.
The single mother from Medford has been unexpectedly pulled from the
inactive Army reserve and ordered to report for active duty by Feb. 5.
As Christmas nears, Arndt, 43, is trying to sell the Medford home
she
says she will not be able to keep on an Army salary of approximately
$60,000
a year, and is searching for someone to care for her 13-year-old son,
Shane.
She expects to train for an 18-month tour of duty that could take her to
Iraq or Afghanistan.
She said she never saw her return to active duty as a possibility.
"Never in a million years," she said.
"This is a very hard thing for me," she said. "I absolutely love my
country. I feel I owe it to the Army and my fellow soldiers, because I
wouldn't be here without them.
"If I were a reservist assigned to a unit, I'd have been trained and
informed of the possibility that I would be called. I'm not prepared for
this."
U.S. Army officials said Arndt is not being treated unfairly.
"Single parents are treated no differently than any other soldier,
and
are expected to have a family care plan at all times," said Army
spokeswoman
Lt. Col. Pamela Hart.
Arndt, a respiratory therapist at Brookhaven Memorial Hospital
Medical
Center and a small-business owner, has been called back to active status
after 20 years as a reservist. She spent four years of active duty in the
Army in the 1980s based in Germany prior to becoming "an individual
mobilization augmentee reservist" -- which required her to fill in for
regular duty soldiers called to overseas duty.
Last year, she said, she was transferred to another category called
the Individual Ready Reserve, which made her eligible for a combat
assignment. She is to report to Fort Jackson, S.C.
Her return to active duty will leave her teenage son without a
parent
for 18 months, she said, and cost her more than $100,000 in income during
that time.
As the U.S. Army has lagged in meeting recruiting goals, Arndt's
story
is another indication of how the ongoing war in Iraq is forcing bigger
responsibilities onto the shoulders of a relatively small number of
military
personnel. Officials have said that many of the 172,000 troops serving in
Iraq and Afghanistan are on their second or third tours of duty.
Increasingly, the military has turned to so-called stop-loss
orders --
preventing some military personnel from retiring -- and to National Guard
soldiers or older reservists to fill the ranks.
According to Army officials, approximately 110,000 Army personnel
are
listed in the Individual Ready Reserve. By law, they may be called up for
as
long as two years to fill vacancies. But because they are not attached to
any unit, they may go years without the training and supervision needed to
transition back to active duty, officials said. The Army has traditionally
not sent IRR soldiers into battle.
The war in Iraq, now 21/2 years old, has changed that. Currently,
more
than 6,500 ready reservists have been called back to active duty,
including
Chief Warrant Officer Margaret Murray, 56, of Schenectady. While receiving
training at Fort Jackson last year, Murray told Newsday that she hoped she
would not be sent into combat. If she is sent, she said, "I'll do the best
I
can."
Pentagon officials say soldiers who volunteered for the reserves
knew
they could be called up at any time.
"Why I got activated and called, I have no idea," Arndt said.
"People
have no idea what this is doing to families."
Almost half of IRR members who have been reactivated have asked to
have their recalls delayed or eliminated, officials said. Of those
requests,
one quarter were from single parents or other soldiers with family
problems
arranging for the care of a child or other dependent. The remainder were
for
medical reasons, financial hardship or other difficulties.
Arndt, who is also appealing her orders, is far from alone. Almost 8
percent of all current Army personnel -- and 13.8 percent of female
soldiers -- are single parents, the officials said.
Arndt, who never married, at first arranged to have Shane live with
her sister. But those plans are in danger of falling through, she said,
because of family problems. She said her son's emotional well-being
worries
her the most.
"He says, 'My father's not here, you're not here, why should I be
here?'" Arndt said. "His life as he knows it is gone."
*****************************************
She's been out of the army for twenty years, and they
expect her to have a babysitter always available! This
is totally reprehensible. I can't wait until Bush and his
cronies are all up on treason charges for this phony war,
plus over 2200 murder charges for the US alone.
No, she hasn't been out of the military for twenty years.
Patricia Arndt, 43. 20 years as a reservist and 4 years active duty.
Last year, probably after reaching 'high year of tenure,' she was
forced out of Reserve status and placed in the IRR.
At the least the reporter has her age wrong. She may be 53-although
that would really be pushing the lower limit, but not 43.
ShrubCoŽ will never be brought up on charges much less 'Nuremberged.'
The fact is; the monthly pay after being retired isn't 'retirement
pay.' It is retainer pay. Retirees maintain access to military bases
and transportation possibilities in case they do get recalled. People
can be recalled until, iirc, age 59.
I read that at least two doctors in their 70's were called
back into the service in Iraq last year. How did that
happen?
If I had not lost my "world-wide capability" status (medically
retired) I'd be on the IRR list myself. Taking care of family
committments is the problem of the service member/retainered service
member. People are fully aware of that. In the past the retainer pay
was effectively retirement pay. Just as Hitler utilized the elderly
for troops so is ShrubCo.
What happens if she can't get a family member or friend
to take in the poor kid. Would she have to put him in
foster care?
Or leave him to his own devices. That is her personal problem, not
the military's.
And, if she gets killed, then what?
If she gets killed then her kid gets the funds from her life insurance
policy as well as any other benefits.
I thought there was some kind of rule against forcing single parents
into the service.
The lady wasn't forced into service, as I indicated above. She could
have not reinlisted at any point before reaching twenty years. This
is all based on the choices *she* made with her eyes wide open,
Mickey.
And, their forcing a 56 year old back into possible combat
duty!
Same situation as per Arndt, Mickey, and every other person with
twenty years, or more, in service.
Why should this surprise me when they've already
forced doctors over 70 back into the service in Iraq?
They can't *force* doctors over 70 back into service. They can issue
orders, but the individual doesn't have to accept them.
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
Don't be silly, Mickey. Hypocrisy Uber Alles.
Your last sentence says it all. I could probably
be arrested for what I wish on Bush and Co.
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:06:34 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:eojpp1pg69lue5g0ht6ehl6v84s7dl40b2@4ax.com...
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:19:50 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
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She's been out of the army for twenty years, and they
expect her to have a babysitter always available! This
is totally reprehensible. I can't wait until Bush and his
cronies are all up on treason charges for this phony war,
plus over 2200 murder charges for the US alone.
No, she hasn't been out of the military for twenty years.
Patricia Arndt, 43. 20 years as a reservist and 4 years active duty.
Last year, probably after reaching 'high year of tenure,' she was
forced out of Reserve status and placed in the IRR.
At the least the reporter has her age wrong. She may be 53-although
that would really be pushing the lower limit, but not 43.
ShrubCoŽ will never be brought up on charges much less 'Nuremberged.'
The fact is; the monthly pay after being retired isn't 'retirement
pay.' It is retainer pay. Retirees maintain access to military bases
and transportation possibilities in case they do get recalled. People
can be recalled until, iirc, age 59.
I read that at least two doctors in their 70's were called
back into the service in Iraq last year. How did that
happen?
The doctors agreed to come back. I can think of several reasons for
them to do so.
If I had not lost my "world-wide capability" status (medically
retired) I'd be on the IRR list myself. Taking care of family
committments is the problem of the service member/retainered service
member. People are fully aware of that. In the past the retainer pay
was effectively retirement pay. Just as Hitler utilized the elderly
for troops so is ShrubCo.
What happens if she can't get a family member or friend
to take in the poor kid. Would she have to put him in
foster care?
Or leave him to his own devices. That is her personal problem, not
the military's.
And, if she gets killed, then what?
If she gets killed then her kid gets the funds from her life insurance
policy as well as any other benefits.
I thought there was some kind of rule against forcing single parents
into the service.
The lady wasn't forced into service, as I indicated above. She could
have not reinlisted at any point before reaching twenty years. This
is all based on the choices *she* made with her eyes wide open,
Mickey.
And, their forcing a 56 year old back into possible combat
duty!
Same situation as per Arndt, Mickey, and every other person with
twenty years, or more, in service.
Why should this surprise me when they've already
forced doctors over 70 back into the service in Iraq?
They can't *force* doctors over 70 back into service. They can issue
orders, but the individual doesn't have to accept them.
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
Don't be silly, Mickey. Hypocrisy Uber Alles.
Your last sentence says it all. I could probably
be arrested for what I wish on Bush and Co.
Fortunately for millions thoughts aren't yet actionable.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| Title: Re: Single Parents In Their 40's And Older Being Called Back to to Possible Combat Duty |
16 Dec 2005 03:10:38 AM |
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And, their forcing a 56 year old back into possible combat
duty!
Same situation as per Arndt, Mickey, and every other person with
twenty years, or more, in service.
Why should this surprise me when they've already
forced doctors over 70 back into the service in Iraq?
They can't *force* doctors over 70 back into service. They can issue
orders, but the individual doesn't have to accept them.
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
Don't be silly, Mickey. Hypocrisy Uber Alles.
Your last sentence says it all. I could probably
be arrested for what I wish on Bush and Co.
Fortunately for millions thoughts aren't yet actionable.
Hey, Stoney, and Mickey.
I have noticed many citizens of the USA have no clue what
going to war is all about. Many feel there is no sacrifice to be made, as
if
freedom is free, and all people are sane. So far, Americans have had little
required of them, and the threat of a world wide Islamic State has no weight
in their world view.
Many people alive today are still living in the year 1000 AD, or before.
They perceive
any sign of weakness as a sign to attack, attack, attack. Islamic groups
all over the world
were riveted when the Unites States pulled out of Vietnam, and we have been
paying the
price ever since. Almost every time since then someone attacked us, and we
ran away. So
they became bold and attacked our homeland, expecting us to fall apart and
become a has been country.
Leftists liberals would have us bow down and go along with the Islamic plan.
I for one choose
not to pray to Mecca
Oh, well. Not all conservatives are bible bashing religious wackos. I am a
citizen of the United States,
and I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are, Mickey. You may disagree
with me, and that is your
right, but that is no reason to attack someone's character or intelligence
just because you don't like
what they say or think. I have watched you carry the liberal torch for the
past several years, and I
expected more of you than constantly attacking the Presidency of the United
States. Whenever someone
disagrees with you, you demonize that person, just like the christian idiots
that entertain us so much.
When Clinton was President, many of my friends screamed bloody murder,
claiming that the world was
coming to an end any minute. I did not vote for Clinton, but gave him the
benefit of the doubt while
he served as President.
If you wish to demonize me now, I guess there is nothing I can do about it.
You are not going to change my
mind about the state of the world. The liberal media spouting nonsense on a
daily basis is doing more
damage to the moral of our troops than any IED's along the road. The DNC
talking points are identical to the
media and your own constant rants.
Any nation that is not willing to sacrifice it's own to protect itself will
stop being a nation.
zach #33 the ultimate nonbeliever
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Single Parents In Their 40's And Older Being Called Back to to Possible Combat Duty |
16 Dec 2005 06:37:53 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:10:38 -0800, "zach" <glennsmith6@cox.net>
wrote:
And, their forcing a 56 year old back into possible combat
duty!
Same situation as per Arndt, Mickey, and every other person with
twenty years, or more, in service.
Why should this surprise me when they've already
forced doctors over 70 back into the service in Iraq?
They can't *force* doctors over 70 back into service. They can issue
orders, but the individual doesn't have to accept them.
Isn't it time that Shrub got forced back into the National
Guard to finish his service time on combat duty - in Iraq?
Don't be silly, Mickey. Hypocrisy Uber Alles.
Your last sentence says it all. I could probably
be arrested for what I wish on Bush and Co.
Fortunately for millions thoughts aren't yet actionable.
Hey, Stoney, and Mickey.
I have noticed many citizens of the USA have no clue what
going to war is all about.
Such as supporters of the empire building.
Many feel there is no sacrifice to be made, as
if freedom is free, and all people are sane.
BushCo clearly isn't sane.
So far, Americans have had little
required of them, and the threat of a world wide Islamic State has no weight
in their world view.
(snickering)
Many people alive today are still living in the year 1000 AD, or before.
They perceive any sign of weakness as a sign to attack, attack, attack.
BushCo. "UG. Me beat you with big stick until you embrace my storm
troopers and call them liberators."
Islamic groups all over the world
were riveted when the Unites States pulled out of Vietnam, and we have been
paying the price ever since. Almost every time since then someone attacked us, and we
ran away. So they became bold and attacked our homeland, expecting us to fall apart and
become a has been country.
LMAO @ you. What colour is the sky in your world, oh clueless one?
Leftists liberals would have us bow down and go along with the Islamic plan.
I for one choose not to pray to Mecca
Poor poor lying ***** cretin.
Oh, well. Not all conservatives are bible bashing religious wackos.
And many of those so-called conservatives are raving liberals.
I am a citizen of the United States,
and I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are, Mickey. You may disagree
with me, and that is your
right, but that is no reason to attack someone's character or intelligence
just because you don't like
what they say or think. I have watched you carry the liberal torch for the
past several years, and I
expected more of you than constantly attacking the Presidency of the United
States. Whenever someone
disagrees with you, you demonize that person, just like the christian idiots
that entertain us so much.
Shrub's getting what he deserves based on his actions, Sport.
When Clinton was President, many of my friends screamed bloody murder,
claiming that the world was
coming to an end any minute. I did not vote for Clinton, but gave him the
benefit of the doubt while
he served as President.
As was deserved. If Clinton had done what Shrub's been doing for
years, the Rethugs would have grabbed the rope and dragged him to the
nearest tree.
If you wish to demonize me now, I guess there is nothing I can do about it.
You are not going to change my
mind about the state of the world. The liberal media spouting nonsense on a
daily basis is doing more
damage to the moral of our troops than any IED's along the road. The DNC
talking points are identical to the
media and your own constant rants.
Oh, ***** off you wanking cretin.
Any nation that is not willing to sacrifice it's own to protect itself will
stop being a nation.
Empire building is not protecting itself.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "zach" |
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| Title: Re: Single Parents In Their 40's And Older Being Called Back to to Possible Combat Duty |
16 Dec 2005 09:22:11 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:ngc5q1p5h8s1vk1bg8c99glcqbh2sadhbm@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:10:38 -0800, "zach" <glennsmith6@cox.net>
wrote:
Hey, Stoney, and Mickey.
I have noticed many citizens of the USA have no clue what
going to war is all about.
Such as supporters of the empire building.
Many feel there is no sacrifice to be made, as
if freedom is free, and all people are sane.
BushCo clearly isn't sane.
I disagree.
So far, Americans have had little
required of them, and the threat of a world wide Islamic State has no
weight
in their world view.
(snickering)
Many people alive today are still living in the year 1000 AD, or before.
They perceive any sign of weakness as a sign to attack, attack, attack.
BushCo. "UG. Me beat you with big stick until you embrace my storm
troopers and call them liberators."
Islamic groups all over the world
were riveted when the Unites States pulled out of Vietnam, and we have
been
paying the price ever since. Almost every time since then someone
attacked us, and we
ran away. So they became bold and attacked our homeland, expecting us to
fall apart and
become a has been country.
LMAO @ you. What colour is the sky in your world, oh clueless one?
Excuse me? I was under the impression you were capable of a sane
discussion.
Leftists liberals would have us bow down and go along with the Islamic
plan.
I for one choose not to pray to Mecca
Poor poor lying ***** cretin.
Well, so you consider name calling to be sufficient. I am not a liar, nor a
cretin.
I don't appreciate the way you approach a discussion, and you are sounding
more
and more like a religious, close minded individual.
Oh, well. Not all conservatives are bible bashing religious wackos.
And many of those so-called conservatives are raving liberals.
I would have to agree with that. I have met a few conservatives that raved
about
nothing in particular. Just like liberals.
I am a citizen of the United States,
and I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are, Mickey. You may
disagree
with me, and that is your
right, but that is no reason to attack someone's character or
intelligence
just because you don't like
what they say or think. I have watched you carry the liberal torch for
the
past several years, and I
expected more of you than constantly attacking the Presidency of the
United
States. Whenever someone
disagrees with you, you demonize that person, just like the christian
idiots
that entertain us so much.
Shrub's getting what he deserves based on his actions, Sport.
I disagree. His actions and motivations have been twisted beyond all
recognition
by the liberal media. Everyone whines about whatever he did in secret, but
well,
during war, it is not exactly the best thing to advertise exactly what you
are doing.
When Clinton was President, many of my friends screamed bloody murder,
claiming that the world was
coming to an end any minute. I did not vote for Clinton, but gave him
the
benefit of the doubt while
he served as President.
As was deserved. If Clinton had done what Shrub's been doing for
years, the Rethugs would have grabbed the rope and dragged him to the
nearest tree.
Right. Clinton told the entire world that the US was a cowardly nation.
Bin Laden himself
has publicly stated that much of the terrorists' motivations were
embloldened by the way
Clinton cut, run, bombed, made excuses, and refused to risk American lives.
Much of the
world is not civilized by the standards of the developed nations, and any
sign of weakness
is like a sign saying "Please blow us up."
If you wish to demonize me now, I guess there is nothing I can do about
it.
You are not going to change my
mind about the state of the world. The liberal media spouting nonsense
on a
daily basis is doing more
damage to the morale of our troops than any IED's along the road. The
DNC
talking points are identical to the
media and your own constant rants.
Oh, ***** off you wanking cretin.
I am not a wanking cretin, and I don't understand why you spout insults.
You don't know me,
and you don't seem to be able to discuss a subject without name calling.
That is a common
attidude of many Democrats in the US. When is doubt, spout nonsense. I
wonder what country
you reside in.
Any nation that is not willing to sacrifice it's own to protect itself
will
stop being a nation.
Empire building is not protecting itself.
The Islamic groups of the world have declared war on the US countless times
in the past thirty years, and Bin Laden's group actually attacked the US
homeland.
This is war. Maybe you feel Bin Laden should get his way and all Western
countries
should be burned down and forgotten?
I do not believe you are capable of a rationale discussion, so I will just
ignore you.
<plonk>
zach #33 the ultimate nonbeliever
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Single Parents In Their 40's And Older Being Called Back to to Possible Combat Duty |
10 Dec 2005 06:44:05 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:19:50 -0500, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:
While most of her friends and neighbors are amusing themselves with
Christmas decorations and holiday gifts, Patricia Arndt is fretting over far
more serious matters.
The single mother from Medford has been unexpectedly pulled from the
inactive Army reserve and ordered to report for active duty by Feb. 5.
Yep, well that's the deal she signed on for. So there should be no complaints.
duke
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