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"Budikka666" |
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08 Feb 2007 03:56:05 PM |
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Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
Budikka
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
09 Feb 2007 12:23:17 AM |
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In article <1170971765.643207.300740@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
I saw that. Strange. I wonder if it were some sort of sacrificial rite.
Budikka
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
09 Feb 2007 10:19:14 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E548A9.22231708022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1170971765.643207.300740@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
I saw that. Strange. I wonder if it were some sort of sacrificial rite.
I'm such a sentimental old goon, I got a tear in my eye looking at the
picture.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
10 Feb 2007 01:14:25 AM |
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In article <533ku4F1quroeU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E548A9.22231708022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1170971765.643207.300740@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
I saw that. Strange. I wonder if it were some sort of sacrificial rite.
I'm such a sentimental old goon, I got a tear in my eye looking at the
picture.
Yes. I caught a lump in my throat too. I wish we had more detail.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
10 Feb 2007 08:50:32 AM |
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On Feb 9, 10:19 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm...@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-E548A9.22231708022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <1170971765.643207.300...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
I saw that. Strange. I wonder if it were some sort of sacrificial rite.
I'm such a sentimental old goon, I got a tear in my eye looking at the
picture.
Awww! I'm not sure there's any solid conclusion you can draw from the
information we have. It could be that they were deliberately posed
like that after they had died from, say, some disease.
Budikka
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
09 Feb 2007 02:24:40 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
I'm such a sentimental old goon, I got a tear in my eye looking at the
picture.
Me too. There are so many possibilities when life is short
and hard. They could have died of some disease that swept
through their tribe, or been poisoned by something bad they
both ate, or froze to death in their sleep on a cold night.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
09 Feb 2007 02:22:03 PM |
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John Popelish wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
I'm such a sentimental old goon, I got a tear in my eye looking at the
picture.
Me too. There are so many possibilities when life is short
and hard. They could have died of some disease that swept
through their tribe, or been poisoned by something bad they
both ate, or froze to death in their sleep on a cold night.
It would most likely be a mudslide or something, given that that would
explain both why they died and how they were preserved.
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Dick" |
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09 Feb 2007 07:03:33 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:23:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1170971765.643207.300740@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
I saw that. Strange. I wonder if it were some sort of sacrificial rite.
Budikka
Wrong book, not taken from bible, but Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
10 Feb 2007 01:17:00 AM |
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In article <h7sos2565s25hu4plr2k38rrbc5k0kt51u@4ax.com>,
***** <remdickhm@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:23:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1170971765.643207.300740@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
I saw that. Strange. I wonder if it were some sort of sacrificial rite.
Budikka
Wrong book, not taken from bible, but Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.
So that's where old Will got his idea. I didn't know he was 5000-6000
years old though.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
17 Feb 2007 08:22:22 AM |
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On Feb 9, 7:03 am, ***** <remdic...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:23:17 -0800, johac <jhachm...@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
In article <1170971765.643207.300...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
And nowhere above, below or anywhere around them was there any
evidence at all of a global flood.
It's almost like the Bible lied!!!
I saw that. Strange. I wonder if it were some sort of sacrificial rite.
Budikka
Wrong book, not taken from bible, but Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.
A pox on both your houses! They actually don't know the gender of the
skeletons yet. It might be Romeo and Julian!
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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09 Feb 2007 11:36:30 AM |
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On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years, and the
creation of the earth and before.
Good grief, bud the dud. You are really stumbling now.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: Skeletons Embrace - No Evidence of a Global Flood |
09 Feb 2007 09:32:59 PM |
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On Feb 9, 9:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years, and the
creation of the earth and before.
JERRY
What are you talking about, dude? Of course there are lies in the
bible? The bible lied when Ezekiel prophecied that King Nebs would
capture and destroy the island city of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 26.
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| User: "sasam" |
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10 Feb 2007 08:36:47 AM |
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On Feb 10, 5:32 am, "rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 9, 9:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:> On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years, and the
creation of the earth and before.
JERRY
What are you talking about, dude? Of course there are lies in the
bible? The bible lied when Ezekiel prophecied that King Nebs would
capture and destroy the island city of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 26.
Oh golly, I'm glad you brought up this one.
As with all prophecies the chapter does not chronologically relate
what happened as with our modern history books. You fre
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| User: "sasam" |
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10 Feb 2007 09:02:34 AM |
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On Feb 10, 4:36 pm, "sasam" <f...@absamail.co.za> wrote:
On Feb 10, 5:32 am, "rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 9, 9:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:> On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years, and the
creation of the earth and before.
JERRY
What are you talking about, dude? Of course there are lies in the
bible? The bible lied when Ezekiel prophecied that King Nebs would
capture and destroy the island city of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 26.
Oh golly, I'm glad you brought up this one.
As with all prophecies the chapter does not chronologically relate
what happened as with our modern history books. You fre- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sorry about that glitch.
To continue...
Your frequently find that persons and happenings are interchanged in
prophecies in a riddle-like fashion. You can see it as a type of
poetry.
Now Ez 26 contains references to Nebucadnezzar which besieged Tyrus.
But as Tyrus was one half on land (unfortified) and one half on an
island (fortified) he did do a lot of damage to Tyre but did not
destroy it.
Now this Chapter beautifully illustrates the Bible as supportive of
our actual historical account. The destruction of Tyrus was left over
for Alexander the Great to do. What did he do? He broke down walls and
buildings from the land part of Tyrus, chucked it in the sea and in
this manner constructed a bridge to the island part. How does the
Bible describe this? See verse 4 and 5: "It shall be a place for the
spreading of nets in the midst of the sea." and verse 12: "...and they
shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the
water".
Now, sir, you empty mindedly accused the Bible of lying. You will have
to concede that this piece of evidence is extraordinary. Just think
neutrally about it for a minute. If you want to indicate that this was
written into the Scriptures after the event, think again. This holds
for all prophecies that came out to be true. If there is a group of
people who deliberately interweaved history into prophecy, I would
like to know who they were, what their motive was and how did they do
it. It would take an ingenious view to say "lets mention the casting
of Tyrus into the sea, but lets not mention Alexander, otherwise the
falsification would be too obvious" I think this last scenario
unlikely.
So, sir, if the prophecy holds true, you better begin to pay serious
attention to other prophecies which did not come about yet.
If you want to generally throw accusations against the Bible, first
consider this reference to Alexander honestly and refrain from
ridiculing that which is above you.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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10 Feb 2007 12:19:55 PM |
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On Feb 10, 4:02 pm, "sasam" <f...@absamail.co.za> wrote:
On Feb 10, 4:36 pm, "sasam" <f...@absamail.co.za> wrote:
On Feb 10, 5:32 am, "rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 9, 9:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:> On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years, and the
creation of the earth and before.
JERRY
What are you talking about, dude? Of course there are lies in the
bible? The bible lied when Ezekiel prophecied that King Nebs would
capture and destroy the island city of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 26.
Oh golly, I'm glad you brought up this one.
As with all prophecies the chapter does not chronologically relate
what happened as with our modern history books. You fre- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sorry about that glitch.
To continue...
Your frequently find that persons and happenings are interchanged in
prophecies in a riddle-like fashion. You can see it as a type of
poetry.
Now Ez 26 contains references to Nebucadnezzar which besieged Tyrus.
But as Tyrus was one half on land (unfortified) and one half on an
island (fortified) he did do a lot of damage to Tyre but did not
destroy it.
Now this Chapter beautifully illustrates the Bible as supportive of
our actual historical account. The destruction of Tyrus was left over
for Alexander the Great to do. What did he do? He broke down walls and
buildings from the land part of Tyrus, chucked it in the sea and in
this manner constructed a bridge to the island part. How does the
Bible describe this? See verse 4 and 5: "It shall be a place for the
spreading of nets in the midst of the sea." and verse 12: "...and they
shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the
water".
Now, sir, you empty mindedly accused the Bible of lying. You will have
to concede that this piece of evidence is extraordinary. Just think
neutrally about it for a minute. If you want to indicate that this was
written into the Scriptures after the event, think again. This holds
for all prophecies that came out to be true. If there is a group of
people who deliberately interweaved history into prophecy, I would
like to know who they were, what their motive was and how did they do
it. It would take an ingenious view to say "lets mention the casting
of Tyrus into the sea, but lets not mention Alexander, otherwise the
falsification would be too obvious" I think this last scenario
unlikely.
So, sir, if the prophecy holds true, you better begin to pay serious
attention to other prophecies which did not come about yet.
If you want to generally throw accusations against the Bible, first
consider this reference to Alexander honestly and refrain from
ridiculing that which is above you.
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
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| User: "fran" |
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10 Feb 2007 12:44:12 PM |
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"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:1171131595.008664.112920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
And can be found on cars, motorcycles and bicycles everywhere
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| User: "thomas p." |
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10 Feb 2007 05:02:37 PM |
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On Feb 10, 7:44 pm, fran <m...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote innews:1171131595.008664.112920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
And can be found on cars, motorcycles and bicycles everywhere
Only in countries using British English.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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10 Feb 2007 05:08:18 PM |
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On Feb 10, 5:02 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Feb 10, 7:44 pm, fran <m...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote innews:1171131595.008664.112920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
And can be found on cars, motorcycles and bicycles everywhere
Only in countries using British English.
And it doesn't apply to motorbikes and bikes because they're too
tired....
Budikka
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| User: "thomas p." |
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12 Feb 2007 12:39:38 AM |
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On 11 Feb., 00:08, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Feb 10, 5:02 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Feb 10, 7:44 pm, fran <m...@nowhere.com> wrote:
"thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote innews:1171131595.008664.112920@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
And can be found on cars, motorcycles and bicycles everywhere
Only in countries using British English.
And it doesn't apply to motorbikes and bikes because they're too
tired....
Then there was the tyre salesman from Tyre who retired, because he was
tired of being the tired Tyre tyre salesman.
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| User: "Nekojin" |
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11 Feb 2007 08:52:48 AM |
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On Feb 10, 1:19 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
The facts of history undeniably establish that the prophecies about
Tyre were fulfilled progressively.
Nebuchadnezzar's Siege
The city experienced the first major blow at the hands of Babylonian
King Nebuchadnezzar in the sixth century B.C.E. The siege of Tyre,
according to the first-century Jewish historian Josephus, lasted 13
years. (Against Apion, Book I, par. 21) The toll in lives and property
must have been tremendous.
Also, Nebuchadnezzar's soldiers were put under a great strain. Their
heads were "made bald" from the chafing of their helmets, and their
shoulders "rubbed bare" from carrying materials used in the
construction of siegeworks. However, all the riches of Tyre did not
come into the hands of the besiegers. The prophet Ezekiel, a
contemporary of Nebuchadnezzar, wrote: "As for wages, there proved to
be none for [Nebuchadnezzar] and his military force from Tyre for the
service that he had performed against her." (Ezek. 29:18) Why was
this?
The city of Tyre was built on the mainland and on an island about a
half mile (0.8 km) offshore. It appears that only the mainland city
fell, whereas the island city did not. This explains why Tyre
recovered so quickly from the blow that came to her. When the
Israelites returned from Babylonian exile, the Tyrians already were
able to supply timber for the rebuilding of the temple. (Ezra 3:7)
Later, Tyrian merchants carried on a thriving business in Jerusalem.-
Neh. 13:16.
Nevertheless, Jehovah's word was against Tyre. Her total end was yet
future.
The Hebrew prophets Zechariah and Ezekiel declared: "Jehovah himself
will dispossess [Tyre], and into the sea he will certainly strike down
her military force; and in the fire she herself will be
devoured." (Zech. 9:4) "I [Jehovah] am against you, O Tyre, and I will
bring up against you many nations, just as the sea brings up its
waves. And they will certainly bring the walls of Tyre to ruin and
tear down her towers, and I will scrape her dust away from her and
make her a shining, bare surface of a crag. A drying yard for dragnets
is what she will become in the midst of the sea."-Ezek. 26:3-5.
Alexander the Great's Siege
The year 332 B.C.E. witnessed the fulfillment of these and earlier
prophecies regarding Tyre. Alexander the Great had launched his
campaign of conquest in the Middle East.
After Sidon surrendered to him, Alexander led his army toward Tyre. A
delegation of leading Tyrians, including the son of its King
Azemilcus, met him and declared a willingness to comply with his
requests. Alexander expressed the desire to be admitted into the city,
to present an offering to Heracles (not Hercules, the mighty hero of
Greek mythology, but the god Melkarth or Baal). Apprised of this by
the delegation, the Tyrians adamantly turned down the request.
Since the outcome of Alexander's conflict with the Persian King Darius
was still in question, the Tyrians thought it in their best interests
to deny entry to any Macedonian or Persian. Their action prompted
Alexander to act without delay.
Addressing his men, he said: "Friends and fellow soldiers, I do not
see how we can safely advance upon Egypt, so long as Persia controls
the sea; and to pursue Darius with the neutral city of Tyre in our
rear and Egypt and Cyprus still in enemy hands would be a serious
risk, especially in view of the situation in Greece. . . . But with
Tyre destroyed, all Phoenicia would be ours, and the Phoenician fleet,
which both in numbers and quality is the predominant element in the
sea-power of Persia, would very likely come over to us."-Arrian, The
Campaigns of Alexander, Penguin Classics, pp. 131, 132.
Alexander's officers were convinced, and Tyre came under siege. The
initial efforts for the siege proved to be in harmony with Bible
prophecy. Ezekiel had written: "I will scrape her dust away from her
and make her a shining, bare surface of a crag." (Ezek. 26:4)
Alexander determined to build a mole or a causeway to the island city.
For this purpose he used the stone and debris from the old mainland
city.
As work on the causeway progressed, the Tyrians, with their ships, did
everything they could to thwart the project. Countering their attacks,
Alexander erected two towers at the far end of the mole. However, the
Tyrians succeeded in setting these on fire. Alexander then commanded
that the causeway be widened, providing additional space for towers.
He also began assembling a tremendous fleet from Sidon, Rhodes,
Mallus, Lycia, Macedonia and elsewhere, thus cutting off Tyre's free
access to the sea.
Whereas the construction of the causeway fulfilled prophecy, it was
the naval campaign that brought about the fall of Tyre after a siege
of seven months. According to Arrian, 8,000 perished during the siege,
and 30,000 were sold into slavery.
Truly, the fall of Tyre cannot be attributed to mere chance. It
happened according to the express purpose of Jehovah God because of
Tyre's own wicked conduct. This God of true prophecy could say with
reference to himself: "Just as the pouring rain descends, and the
snow, from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless is
actually saturates the earth and makes it produce and sprout, and seed
it actually given to the sower and bread to the eater, so my word that
goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me
without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have
delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have
sent it."-Isa. 55:10, 11.
The destruction of Tyre is not just an event of the ancient past. It
stands as an unchangeable guarantee that all the judgments of the Most
High will be fulfilled. In his Word, Jehovah God has decreed the end
of the entire ungodly system of things, in which treachery like that
of Tyre abounds. (2 Pet. 3:9-12) We urge you to acquaint yourself with
what the Bible says about this and how you can escape this fast-
approaching calamity.
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Nekojin<ztradi@gmail.com>wrote:
Tightfisted lisper with faulty sex pistol and disagreeable bum-hole
yearns for sawed-off baby maker for burning clown punchin'. Mail me at
<ztradi@gmail.com>
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| User: "thomas p." |
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12 Feb 2007 12:33:37 AM |
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On 11 Feb., 15:52, "Nekojin" <ztr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:19 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
The facts of history undeniably establish that the prophecies about
Tyre were fulfilled progressively.
The city never ceased to exist. That is an historical fact.
snip
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| User: "Nekojin" |
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12 Feb 2007 04:33:12 AM |
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On Feb 12, 1:33 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 11 Feb., 15:52, "Nekojin" <ztr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:19 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
The facts of history undeniably establish that the prophecies about
Tyre were fulfilled progressively.
The city never ceased to exist. That is an historical fact.
snip
having city destroyed is not the same as "cease to exist". Okinawa was
destroyed by an a-bomb. The city is still there.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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12 Feb 2007 05:53:36 AM |
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On 12 Feb., 11:33, "Nekojin" <ztr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 1:33 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 11 Feb., 15:52, "Nekojin" <ztr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:19 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
The facts of history undeniably establish that the prophecies about
Tyre were fulfilled progressively.
The city never ceased to exist. That is an historical fact.
snip
having city destroyed is not the same as "cease to exist". Okinawa was
destroyed by an a-bomb. The city is still there.-
The prophecy said that it would no longer exist. It does exist. It
never stopped existing.
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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12 Feb 2007 09:49:24 AM |
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ng's culled to alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism and alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Nekojin wrote:
On Feb 12, 1:33 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 11 Feb., 15:52, "Nekojin" <ztr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:19 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
The facts of history undeniably establish that the prophecies about
Tyre were fulfilled progressively.
The city never ceased to exist. That is an historical fact.
snip
having city destroyed is not the same as "cease to exist". Okinawa was
destroyed by an a-bomb. The city is still there.
When the hell did A-bomb destroy Okinawa?
Jabbers is still as brainless as ever, most probably even more, he/it won't get any better...
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "Ips-Switch" |
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12 Feb 2007 02:53:47 PM |
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"SeppoP" <seppo_pietikainen@xyahoox.com> wrote in message
news:53bgk4F1rdc3qU1@mid.individual.net...
ng's culled to alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism and
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Nekojin wrote:
On Feb 12, 1:33 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On 11 Feb., 15:52, "Nekojin" <ztr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:19 pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Ezekiel said that Tyre would be completely destroyed by
Nebucadnezzar. He described that destruction in detail, but it wasn't
destroyed. Alexander completely destroyed the wealth and power of
Tyre, but the city continued to exist. In other words, no matter how
one looks at it, Tyre continued to exist; and, in fact, still exists
today.
The facts of history undeniably establish that the prophecies about
Tyre were fulfilled progressively.
The city never ceased to exist. That is an historical fact.
snip
having city destroyed is not the same as "cease to exist". Okinawa was
destroyed by an a-bomb. The city is still there.
When the hell did A-bomb destroy Okinawa?
Jabbers is still as brainless as ever, most probably even more, he/it
won't get any better...
Just how educated, how intelligent do you think Jehovah's Witnesses are?
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Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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10 Feb 2007 06:18:22 PM |
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On Feb 10, 9:02 am, "sasam" <f...@absamail.co.za> wrote:
On Feb 10, 4:36 pm, "sasam" <f...@absamail.co.za> wrote:
On Feb 10, 5:32 am, "rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 9, 9:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:> On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years, and the
creation of the earth and before.
JERRY
What are you talking about, dude? Of course there are lies in the
bible? The bible lied when Ezekiel prophecied that King Nebs would
capture and destroy the island city of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 26.
Oh golly, I'm glad you brought up this one.
As with all prophecies the chapter does not chronologically relate
what happened as with our modern history books. You fre- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sorry about that glitch.
To continue...
Your frequently find that persons and happenings are interchanged in
prophecies in a riddle-like fashion. You can see it as a type of
poetry.
Or you can see it for what it is: vague and nonsensical ***** to
obscure the fact that it isn't a prophecy of anything like it, but
merely wishful thinking and empty-headed boastfulness.
Nostradamus was a master of that kind of prophecy.
Ezekiel is nowhere near as skillfull an obscurantist as Michel de
Notredame, but he tries. His "prohecy" against Tyre failed dismally
in that Tyre was not destroyed at all. Far from it.
And the abysmal failure of these prophecies is exemplified to the
maximum in the resolution to this failed prohecy, in that this god
then purportedly admits to the failure at Tyre, and in recompense,
claims Neb-you-cad-nasty will get Egypt instead. And he fails in
this, too.
In short, Ezekiel records two lies from this god, which will
undoubtely be addressed in future editions of this series.
[Rest of Ezekiel nonsense flushed where it belongs]
Now, sir,
Until and unless I get knighted, I'm not a sir.
you empty mindedly accused the Bible of lying.
Where, in my opening message, did I mention Ezekiel? Did I or did I
not directly address the issue of the purported global flood?
And did you address my message? No! So the only empty-mindedness
here is yours, and the only liar here is you, aside from the Holy
Bible itself, that is.
You will have
to concede that this piece of evidence is extraordinary.
No - you will have to concede that **BOTH** prophecies failed
dismally.
But it gets worse than that. The fact that Ezekiel records the fact
that Ned-the-Cad failed at Tyre means that the words of Ezekiel were
not written *before* the siege, but *after* it. How can it possibly
be a prohecy, if the prohecy is written *after* the thing it claims to
prohesy upon?
Just think
neutrally about it for a minute.
LoL! You - a blind, gullible and committed theist - or a theist who
ought to be committed, one or the other - demands that *I* think
neutrally? I'm the only one of the two of us who *is* thinking
neutrally - because I'm asking in vain for the evidence while you're
blindly believing the myth not only without evidence but in spite of
the evidence!
If you want to indicate that this was
written into the Scriptures after the event, think again.
The thinking needs be done entirely on your part. Apparently you're
blissfully unaware that the earliest copy of Ezekiel that we have
dates not to 500BC, but to 300AD. In that 800 years, how many changes
could ahve been made ot the manuscript of which we're unaware? How
many prophecies could have been added after the fact?
Are you aware that Ezekiel wasn't written by one person but by at
least two people?
This holds
for all prophecies that came out to be true.
Such as?
If there is a group of
people who deliberately interweaved history into prophecy, I would
like to know who they were, what their motive was and how did they do
it.
They were the writers of the Holy Bible. They did it after the fact.
They did it to support their blind belief in the Judaic god of the
mountains.
So now all you need to do is *prove* that the prophecies were written
*before* the event. And as I showed above, the book of Ezekiel
records the sheepish god trying to make up for the failure of the
earlier prophecy regarding Tyre by offering Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar,
and he fails in that, too. Try again.
It would take an ingenious view to say "lets mention the casting
of Tyrus into the sea, but lets not mention Alexander, otherwise the
falsification would be too obvious" I think this last scenario
unlikely.
Alexander has zero to do with it. The prophecy concerns
Neduchadnezzar. It insisted that Tyre would be thrown down *by
Nebuchadnezzar* and never rebuilt. Both of these claims are lies.
Tyre sits exactly where it used to be, and is these days known as Sur.
So, sir, if the prophecy holds true, you better begin to pay serious
attention to other prophecies which did not come about yet.
Like what? The most important "prophecy" in Christianity has failed,
and it was made by the purported, but evidently mythological, son of a
god. Sorry, but you're completely wrong, as the facts demonstrate
convincingly.
If you want to generally throw accusations against the Bible, first
consider this reference to Alexander honestly and refrain from
ridiculing that which is above you.
The myth of a god, you mean? Please, bring it on - present your solid
scientific evidence for the existence of this god. Do you think you
can "Tyre" me out with lame messages like this?
So are we going to see the evidence or are we going to see what we
consistently get from the theist camp - unsupported blather followed
by a clean pair of heels disappearing rapidly into the sunset?
I challenge you to provide your evidence. I dare you to present your
best solid scientific evidence for the existence of this god of
yours. I double dare you. I defy you to do so.
Budikka
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09 Feb 2007 10:37:46 PM |
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On Feb 9, 9:32 pm, "rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 9, 9:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:> On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years, and the
creation of the earth and before.
JERRY
What are you talking about, dude? Of course there are lies in the
bible? The bible lied when Ezekiel prophecied that King Nebs would
capture and destroy the island city of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 26.
Duck ***** doesn't know what a lie is. That's why he thinks the Bible
doesn't lie and why he tells so very many of them himself.
But you're wasting your time trying either to educate him or get a
discussion going with him. He's ineducable and all requests that he
support his claims end up with evidence only of what a startlingly
clean pair of heels he has.
He is, however, an endless source of hilarity. Ask him if the Moon
rotates about its axis....
Budikka
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| User: "Mike" |
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10 Feb 2007 08:38:20 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Duck ***** doesn't know what a lie is. That's why he thinks the Bible
doesn't lie and why he tells so very many of them himself.
But you're wasting your time trying either to educate him or get a
discussion going with him. He's ineducable and all requests that he
support his claims end up with evidence only of what a startlingly
clean pair of heels he has.
Now I KNOW ya don't know what yer talking about, Budikka<g>. With all
the ***** he spreads around and then wades through, his heels are
dirtier than the bottom of my outhouse.
(And of course you know I was kidding about the not knowing what yer
talking about, right? :))
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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10 Feb 2007 08:47:51 AM |
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On Feb 10, 8:38 am, Mike <prabb...@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
Duck ***** doesn't know what a lie is. That's why he thinks the Bible
doesn't lie and why he tells so very many of them himself.
But you're wasting your time trying either to educate him or get a
discussion going with him. He's ineducable and all requests that he
support his claims end up with evidence only of what a startlingly
clean pair of heels he has.
Now I KNOW ya don't know what yer talking about, Budikka<g>. With all
the ***** he spreads around and then wades through, his heels are
dirtier than the bottom of my outhouse.
(And of course you know I was kidding about the not knowing what yer
talking about, right? :))
You do have a point!
Budikka
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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09 Feb 2007 02:20:57 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:q5cps2piuvtcfmev0r0vklh5chhq48ijcu@4ax.com:
On 8 Feb 2007 13:56:05 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6338751.stm
"Archaeologists in Italy have unearthed two skeletons thought to be
5,000 to 6,000 years old, locked in an embrace. The pair from the
Neolithic period were discovered outside Mantua, about 40km (25 miles)
south of Verona."
That's well shy of the 4.5 billion history of the earth.
When did the flood happen? Did Noah exist before "god" created man?
No lies in the bible, which only speaks timely of the last 6000 years,
and the creation of the earth and before.
Only the lies of Duke on the NG.
Rationalizing the story by changing the timeline is lying, puke.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Convicted by Earthquack
Plonked by Fester
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