Religions > Atheism > Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum
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22 May 2007 06:42:49 AM |
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Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
http://rallyforreason.arkonuts.com/
A rally and protest is being planned to coincide with the opening of
Answers in Genesis' Creation Museum in Kentucky, on Monday, May 28th
(Memorial Day). While the protest certainly won't shut the museum
down (and why would anyone want that? It's the biggest and best
display of outright stupidity to grace the area in a long time), it
will hopefully get some media coverage. Maybe AiG will do something
stupid, like call the cops to shut the protest down.
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| User: "Phlip" |
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22 May 2007 06:54:14 AM |
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A rally and protest is being planned to coincide with the opening of
Answers in Genesis' Creation Museum in Kentucky, on Monday, May 28th
(Memorial Day). While the protest certainly won't shut the museum
down (and why would anyone want that? It's the biggest and best
display of outright stupidity to grace the area in a long time), it
will hopefully get some media coverage. Maybe AiG will do something
stupid, like call the cops to shut the protest down.
Ah, the guilty pleasure of standing up to authority.
"As long as you believe that either good events or bad ones are meted out by
a personified God as the reward or punishment for your actions, or on the
other hand that events are largely meaningless, chaotic, subjective knots in
the tangled web of an accidental Darwinian world, then you cannot
consciously understand your own creativity, or play the role in the universe
that you are capable of playing as individuals or as a species. You will
instead live in a world where events happen _to_ you, in which you must do
sacrifice to the gods of one kind or another, or see yourself as victims of
an uncaring nature." --Jane Roberts
Including sacrificing your own mind, huh?
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Phlip
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| User: "Chaos" |
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22 May 2007 09:39:11 AM |
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On May 22, 3:54 pm, "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
A rally and protest is being planned to coincide with the opening of
Answers in Genesis' Creation Museum in Kentucky, on Monday, May 28th
(Memorial Day). While the protest certainly won't shut the museum
down (and why would anyone want that? It's the biggest and best
display of outright stupidity to grace the area in a long time), it
will hopefully get some media coverage. Maybe AiG will do something
stupid, like call the cops to shut the protest down.
Ah, the guilty pleasure of standing up to authority.
"As long as you believe that either good events or bad ones are meted out by
a personified God as the reward or punishment for your actions, or on the
other hand that events are largely meaningless, chaotic, subjective knots in
the tangled web of an accidental Darwinian world, then you cannot
consciously understand your own creativity, or play the role in the universe
that you are capable of playing as individuals or as a species. You will
instead live in a world where events happen _to_ you, in which you must do
sacrifice to the gods of one kind or another, or see yourself as victims of
an uncaring nature." --Jane Roberts
Including sacrificing your own mind, huh?
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
Philip, could you please express your opinion in a more coherent way?
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
22 May 2007 12:27:15 PM |
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Phlip, could you please express your opinion in a more coherent way?
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
In one, you are an accident of random chemistry, and in the other you
are playthings of an exterior deity.
Both absolve you of responsibility for your own condition.
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Phlip
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
22 May 2007 12:51:35 PM |
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"Phlip" <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179854835.218259.12420@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Phlip, could you please express your opinion in a more coherent way?
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
Not so! Evolution demonstrates which behaviors work, and which behaviors
don't. Creationism demonstrates nothing.
In one, you are an accident of random chemistry, and in the other you
are playthings of an exterior deity.
Both absolve you of responsibility for your own condition.
We aren't responsible for our own condition, but it is our responsibility to
make the most of the condition we're in.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
23 May 2007 10:33:57 AM |
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"Phlip" <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179854835.218259.12420@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Phlip, could you please express your opinion in a more coherent way?
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
Why would anyone need a "spiritual guide"?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
23 May 2007 12:52:48 PM |
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In article <5bj56jF2t2tgtU1@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
Why would anyone need a "spiritual guide"?
A friend of mine visited "The Museum of Spirits." Does that
make the people who walk you through the exhibits
"spiritual guides"? But these guides talked about strong
liquor, not about a quest for inner peace. :)
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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24 May 2007 08:40:51 AM |
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"Brian E. Clark" <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote in message
news:MPG.20be497a3fb7677998a555@newsgroups.comcast.net...
In article <5bj56jF2t2tgtU1@mid.individual.net>,
Robibnikoff said...
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
Why would anyone need a "spiritual guide"?
A friend of mine visited "The Museum of Spirits." Does that
make the people who walk you through the exhibits
"spiritual guides"? But these guides talked about strong
liquor, not about a quest for inner peace. :)
LOL - Sounds like a cool place ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
23 May 2007 11:21:31 PM |
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A friend of mine visited "The Museum of Spirits." Does that
make the people who walk you through the exhibits
"spiritual guides"? But these guides talked about strong
liquor, not about a quest for inner peace. :)
And who had the bright idea to cross-post this to alt.skeptic ? Oh, that
will help. People who can't help but betray their special emotional need to
express intellectual dominance over anyone caught addressing both sides of
an issue!
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
24 May 2007 10:22:27 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:21:31 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com>
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And who had the bright idea to cross-post this to alt.skeptic ? Oh, that
will help. People who can't help but betray their special emotional need to
express intellectual dominance over anyone caught addressing both sides of
an issue!
Some things aren't two-sided issues, they're just facts. Addressing
the "other side" of a fact is a bit childish.
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| User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl" |
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24 May 2007 11:44:11 PM |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 23:22:27 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:21:31 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com>
wrote:
And who had the bright idea to cross-post this to alt.skeptic ? Oh, that
will help. People who can't help but betray their special emotional need to
express intellectual dominance over anyone caught addressing both sides of
an issue!
Some things aren't two-sided issues, they're just facts. Addressing
the "other side" of a fact is a bit childish.
blimey, I didn't expect the spanish inquisition!
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Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Logic:
A tool used by clever people to obscure the shriekingly obvious
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
25 May 2007 12:09:06 AM |
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Some things aren't two-sided issues, they're just facts. Addressing
the "other side" of a fact is a bit childish.
blimey, I didn't expect the spanish inquisition!
Just the facts, ma'am.
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Dragnet
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
22 May 2007 12:44:07 PM |
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In article <1179854835.218259.12420
@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Phlip said...
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
In one, you are an accident of random chemistry, and in the other you
are playthings of an exterior deity.
You think chemistry is random?
Trying mixing some nitric and sulfuric acid together, then
add some glycerin. But don't attempt this unless you either
a) really know what you're doing and what precautions to
take or b) have a firm belief in reincarnation.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Phlip" |
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22 May 2007 05:35:10 PM |
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Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
In one, you are an accident of random chemistry, and in the other you
are playthings of an exterior deity.
You think chemistry is random?
Some chemistry is random. Not all. Fallacy of excluded middle.
Another poster:
Not so! Evolution demonstrates which behaviors work, and which behaviors
don't. Creationism demonstrates nothing.
You seem to enjoy arguing with creationists. Please find one to argue
with, okay?
(This special need to argue with creationists is probably inherited
from your primitive ancestors successfully arguing with ape-men from
other tribes with different customs, etc. etc. ;-)
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Phlip
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| User: "just john" |
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22 May 2007 05:44:52 PM |
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On 05/22/2007 06:35 PM, Phlip told the world:
Not so! Evolution demonstrates which behaviors work, and which behaviors
don't. Creationism demonstrates nothing.
You seem to enjoy arguing with creationists. Please find one to argue
with, okay?
(This special need to argue with creationists is probably inherited
from your primitive ancestors successfully arguing with ape-men from
other tribes with different customs, etc. etc. ;-)
No, God CREATED in man a NEED to argue with creationists and to BEAT
them about the head AND shoulders with clown hammers!
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* Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml
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| User: "Phlip" |
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22 May 2007 11:04:55 PM |
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(This special need to argue with creationists is probably inherited
from your primitive ancestors successfully arguing with ape-men from
other tribes with different customs, etc. etc. ;-)
No, God CREATED in man a NEED to argue with creationists
Uh, "evolutionists". You forgot the polarity. ;-)
and to BEAT them about the head AND shoulders with clown hammers!
Now now - everyone knows "religion" is a trait inherited from primitive
tribes who needed a framework for their existence. The ones who invented
language and used it to concoct creation stories were better adapted for
important tasks such as rote memorization, poetry, socialization, group
structure, remembering which plants will kill you, etc...
Religion evolved!
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "just john" |
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23 May 2007 10:03:57 AM |
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On May 23, 12:04 am, "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
(This special need to argue with creationists is probably inherited
from your primitive ancestors successfully arguing with ape-men from
other tribes with different customs, etc. etc. ;-)
No, God CREATED in man a NEED to argue with creationists
Uh, "evolutionists". You forgot the polarity. ;-)
No, I got it right the FIRST time. God created creationists to be
MOCKED. In fact, He engaged in the ACT of CREATION specifically so
that WE could laugh AT creationists.
"IT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, PEOPLE!"
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| User: "Phlip" |
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23 May 2007 09:00:41 PM |
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No, God CREATED in man a NEED to argue with creationists
Uh, "evolutionists". You forgot the polarity. ;-)
No, I got it right the FIRST time. God created creationists to be
MOCKED. In fact, He engaged in the ACT of CREATION specifically so
that WE could laugh AT creationists.
Political cartoon: God is at a drafting table with compass and ruler, trying
to plan the world. He says, "I keep trying to design it intelligently, but
all I keep getting are a bunch of right-wing zealots. I think I'll just let
the whole thing evolve."
Good discussion, everyone. I hope I'm more to credit than blame for we
didn't devolve into the usual hair-splitting over which "side" we are on.
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 May 2007 10:45:15 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 19:00:41 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No, God CREATED in man a NEED to argue with creationists
Uh, "evolutionists". You forgot the polarity. ;-)
No, I got it right the FIRST time. God created creationists to be
MOCKED. In fact, He engaged in the ACT of CREATION specifically so
that WE could laugh AT creationists.
Political cartoon: God is at a drafting table with compass and ruler, trying
to plan the world. He says, "I keep trying to design it intelligently, but
all I keep getting are a bunch of right-wing zealots. I think I'll just let
the whole thing evolve."
Good discussion, everyone. I hope I'm more to credit than blame for we
didn't devolve into the usual hair-splitting over which "side" we are on.
No, you're too self-righteous to do that.
Are you sure you didn't post as "V" until a couple of weeks ago?
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| User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl" |
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22 May 2007 08:07:24 PM |
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On 22 May 2007 15:35:10 -0700, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
Not so! Evolution demonstrates which behaviors work, and which behaviors
don't. Creationism demonstrates nothing.
You seem to enjoy arguing with creationists. Please find one to argue
with, okay?
(This special need to argue with creationists is probably inherited
from your primitive ancestors successfully arguing with ape-men from
other tribes with different customs, etc. etc. ;-)
NOT ALLOWED! You are not clearly on our side, so you are guilty of
anything we think the other side thinks!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery, Hundreds Dead."
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| User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl" |
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22 May 2007 08:11:24 PM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 18:07:24 -0700, Zapanaz
<http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
On 22 May 2007 15:35:10 -0700, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
Not so! Evolution demonstrates which behaviors work, and which behaviors
don't. Creationism demonstrates nothing.
You seem to enjoy arguing with creationists. Please find one to argue
with, okay?
(This special need to argue with creationists is probably inherited
from your primitive ancestors successfully arguing with ape-men from
other tribes with different customs, etc. etc. ;-)
NOT ALLOWED! You are not clearly on our side, so you are guilty of
anything we think the other side thinks!
SHOOT THE MIDDLE!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
It's OK though guys. "Bob" still loves you. "Bob" loves us all.
"Bob" is open minded. "Bob" thinks that watching a bulldog run full
force into the bumper of a volkswagen and knock itself unconscious is
FUNNY.
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| User: "Phlip" |
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22 May 2007 11:01:12 PM |
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You seem to enjoy arguing with creationists. Please find one to argue
with, okay?
(This special need to argue with creationists is probably inherited
from your primitive ancestors successfully arguing with ape-men from
other tribes with different customs, etc. etc. ;-)
NOT ALLOWED! You are not clearly on our side, so you are guilty of
anything we think the other side thinks!
SHOOT THE MIDDLE!
It's a wedge topic; there is no middle. It's a bimodal distribution.
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Phlip" |
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22 May 2007 11:08:02 PM |
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NOT ALLOWED! You are not clearly on our side, so you are guilty of
anything we think the other side thinks!
SHOOT THE MIDDLE!
It's a wedge topic; there is no middle. It's a bimodal distribution.
Ooops, I just commited "fallacy of excluded middle" on myself!
Oh no! Logical singularity! I'm melting, I'm meeelting!
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl" |
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23 May 2007 12:44:07 AM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:08:02 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com>
wrote:
NOT ALLOWED! You are not clearly on our side, so you are guilty of
anything we think the other side thinks!
SHOOT THE MIDDLE!
It's a wedge topic; there is no middle. It's a bimodal distribution.
Ooops, I just commited "fallacy of excluded middle" on myself!
Oh no! Logical singularity! I'm melting, I'm meeelting!
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
I told you kids somebody would get an i put out if you didn't stop
horsing around.
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Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
I have sold more books about physics than Madonna has about sex.
- Stephen Hawking
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 May 2007 10:43:34 PM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:08:02 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com>
wrote:
NOT ALLOWED! You are not clearly on our side, so you are guilty of
anything we think the other side thinks!
SHOOT THE MIDDLE!
It's a wedge topic; there is no middle. It's a bimodal distribution.
Ooops, I just commited "fallacy of excluded middle" on myself!
And fallacy of repetition. "Wedge" this, "wedge" that, "wedge",
"wedge" ...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
22 May 2007 07:55:15 PM |
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On 22 May 2007 15:35:10 -0700, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
In one, you are an accident of random chemistry, and in the other you
are playthings of an exterior deity.
You think chemistry is random?
Some chemistry is random. Not all. Fallacy of excluded middle.
1) *NO* chemistry is random. Chemicals may get mixed randomly, but
the results are very deterministic.
2) Wearing shoes is also a terrible spiritual guide. As is sewing.
Evolution isn't a"spiritual guide", it's the name we give to something
that's been observed, like we name those fluffy things we observe in
the sky "clouds" (which, btw, are also sucky spiritual guides).
Creationism, otoh, as science, sucks.
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| User: "Gerald Sears" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of CreationMuseum |
23 May 2007 08:04:01 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
1) *NO* chemistry is random. Chemicals may get mixed randomly, but
the results are very deterministic.
Ok Physics major speaking here. Chemistry IS random, it is not however
chaotic on a macro scale.
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| User: "Phlip" |
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23 May 2007 09:04:24 PM |
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Ok Physics major speaking here. Chemistry IS random, it is not however
chaotic on a macro scale.
Life is a strange attractor.
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 May 2007 09:05:55 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 21:04:01 -0400, Gerald Sears
<notgerzel@foxpaws.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
1) *NO* chemistry is random. Chemicals may get mixed randomly, but
the results are very deterministic.
Ok Physics major speaking here. Chemistry IS random, it is not however
chaotic on a macro scale.
Chaos isn't random.
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| User: "Zapanaz http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl" |
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22 May 2007 08:06:42 PM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 20:55:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 22 May 2007 15:35:10 -0700, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
Evolution and Creationism, as spirituals guides, both suck.
In one, you are an accident of random chemistry, and in the other you
are playthings of an exterior deity.
You think chemistry is random?
Some chemistry is random. Not all. Fallacy of excluded middle.
1) *NO* chemistry is random. Chemicals may get mixed randomly, but
the results are very deterministic.
2) Wearing shoes is also a terrible spiritual guide. As is sewing.
Evolution isn't a"spiritual guide", it's the name we give to something
that's been observed, like we name those fluffy things we observe in
the sky "clouds" (which, btw, are also sucky spiritual guides).
Creationism, otoh, as science, sucks.
It's amazing how a relatively intelligent person can completely fail
to understand a simple point when he sets his mind to it.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
habit is the ballast that chains a dog to its vomit
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: Skeptics (and people with brains) to protest opening of Creation Museum |
22 May 2007 11:17:08 PM |
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1) *NO* chemistry is random. Chemicals may get mixed randomly, but
the results are very deterministic.
The strict evolutionist position is random chemical mixing creates life. In
terms of agreeing with that (did you hear me I said "agreeing with
that"??!), I want any alleged gods to be _more_ subtle. Creationists, by
their own words, want them to be _less_ suble!
2) Wearing shoes is also a terrible spiritual guide. As is sewing.
Yet nobody promotes them, or inspires "artificial guilt" in others,
badgering them to prove to their gods they disbelieve the obvious.
Evolution isn't a"spiritual guide", it's the name we give to something
that's been observed, like we name those fluffy things we observe in
the sky "clouds" (which, btw, are also sucky spiritual guides).
Yet we are not all scientists, and pretending we are is reeeally tacky.
And many people (not you or me, understand, but other people) might
sometimes find themselves thinking "I can't do that, because I didn't evolve
to".
Argue for your limitations, and, sure enough, they are yours.
Creationism, otoh, as science, sucks.
Creationism sucks as a spiritual system, too.
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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