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21 Nov 2003 05:31:00 AM |
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Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
DNA
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=gn
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KENNETH CHANG
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| User: "Alun Harford" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 06:11:53 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
These stories always crack me up.
They'd better be quick - we'll have reached the limit of non-quantuum
computers within 20 years (1 electron represents a 1, no electron represents
a 0).
Alun Harford
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 10:12:53 AM |
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In article <bpkvgo$b9b$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
says...
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
These stories always crack me up.
They'd better be quick - we'll have reached the limit of non-quantuum
computers within 20 years (1 electron represents a 1, no electron represents
a 0).
Well, as Feynmann pointed out, there are a lot more issues than just
smallness. Right now transistors still use an obscenely large amount of
energy compared to what they could be using.
As far as the DNA stuff, I know they're just using it as a template and
all. But DNA is inherently quite fragile and is prone to problems that
make it not quite as perfect as certain giddy technologists would
imagine.
--
_____________________________________________________
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 10:35:28 AM |
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On 21 Nov 2003, quibbler <quibbler247@atyahoo.com> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:MPG.1a27e3a6c5a4c06198969d@news.cis.dfn.de:
In article <bpkvgo$b9b$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
says...
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something
like this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
These stories always crack me up.
They'd better be quick - we'll have reached the limit of non-quantuum
computers within 20 years (1 electron represents a 1, no electron
represents a 0).
Well, as Feynmann pointed out, there are a lot more issues than just
smallness. Right now transistors still use an obscenely large amount
of energy compared to what they could be using.
As far as the DNA stuff, I know they're just using it as a template
and all. But DNA is inherently quite fragile and is prone to problems
that make it not quite as perfect as certain giddy technologists would
imagine.
Not the least of which is its vulnerability to mutations.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Christopher Denney" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 01:50:44 PM |
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Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in
news:Xns943A6BF6E657DMekkala@199.45.49.11:
On 21 Nov 2003, quibbler <quibbler247@atyahoo.com> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:MPG.1a27e3a6c5a4c06198969d@news.cis.dfn.de:
In article <bpkvgo$b9b$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
says...
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something
like this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
These stories always crack me up.
They'd better be quick - we'll have reached the limit of non-quantuum
computers within 20 years (1 electron represents a 1, no electron
represents a 0).
Well, as Feynmann pointed out, there are a lot more issues than just
smallness. Right now transistors still use an obscenely large amount
of energy compared to what they could be using.
As far as the DNA stuff, I know they're just using it as a template
and all. But DNA is inherently quite fragile and is prone to problems
that make it not quite as perfect as certain giddy technologists would
imagine.
Not the least of which is its vulnerability to mutations.
Brings a whole new meaning to the term "computer virus", eh?
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-- Cd -- Christopher Denney
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Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
22 Nov 2003 01:15:50 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:50:44 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Denney
<chris@DO.pagan.NOT.net.SPAM> posted in alt.atheism:
Brings a whole new meaning to the term "computer virus", eh?
There was a serial in Analog about a year ago ...
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"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Mike Goodrich" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 10:13:38 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
DNA
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=DNA&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
KENNETH CHANG
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=KENNETH%20CHANG&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
More amazing accomplishments by Intelligent Designers using previously
developed IP (Intellectual Property) developed by other Intelligent
Designers ...
cheers,
-mg
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
22 Nov 2003 11:36:52 AM |
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(Mike Goodrich) wrote in
news:d92ac81f.0311210813.7254695c@posting.google.com:
More amazing accomplishments by Intelligent Designers using previously
developed IP (Intellectual Property) developed by other Intelligent
Designers ...
More presuming your conclusions by Goodrich.
Why is that not a surprise?
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 05:20:40 PM |
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(Mike Goodrich) wrote in message news:<d92ac81f.0311210813.7254695c@posting.google.com>...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
DNA
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=DNA&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
KENNETH CHANG
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=KENNETH%20CHANG&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
More amazing accomplishments by Intelligent Designers using previously
developed IP (Intellectual Property) developed by other Intelligent
Designers ...
Uh huh! It's turtles all the way then.
cheers,
-mg
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 12:01:57 PM |
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In article <d92ac81f.0311210813.7254695c@posting.google.com>,
goodrich_ms@yahoo.com says...
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
DNA
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=DNA&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
KENNETH CHANG
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=KENNETH%20CHANG&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
More amazing accomplishments by Intelligent Designers using previously
developed IP (Intellectual Property) developed by other Intelligent
Designers ...
I'm sure you mean the intelligent designers of the transistors and
computers :0
If you mean to suggest that DNA is intelligently designed then you've
just revealed yourself to be rather ignorant about DNA. In fact there
are many things about DNA that would make it an inept design if
intentionally conceived. Fortunately, your fallacious reasoning does not
not show that DNA is designed just because we use it for things other
than its natural function. Nice try lying though.
--
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Bob Casanova" |
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21 Nov 2003 04:14:55 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:13:38 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by
(Mike Goodrich):
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/science/21DNA.html
By KENNETH CHANG
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
DNA
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=DNA&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=DNA&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
KENNETH CHANG
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22KENNETH+CHANG%22&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=KENNETH%20CHANG&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
More amazing accomplishments by Intelligent Designers using previously
developed IP (Intellectual Property) developed by other Intelligent
Designers ...
Interesting claim. Care to attempt to support it?
--
Bob C.
Reply to Bob-Casanova @ worldnet.att.net
(without the spaces, of course)
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 08:48:36 AM |
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(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
[snip]
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
And soon we shall have intelligent wire!
Socks
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| User: "Seppo Pietikainen" |
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21 Nov 2003 09:03:09 AM |
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wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
[snip]
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
And soon we shall have intelligent wire!
Socks
Hey! that's an *Idea*! Not a cordless mouse, but a mouseless cord!
Seppo P.
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| User: "Christopher Denney" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
21 Nov 2003 01:51:48 PM |
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Seppo Pietikainen <s.pietikainen_drop@kolumbus.fi> wrote in
news:bpl9h9$1qb0kp$1@ID-137900.news.uni-berlin.de:
puppet_sock@hotmail.com wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message
news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>... [snip]
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
And soon we shall have intelligent wire!
Socks
Hey! that's an *Idea*! Not a cordless mouse, but a mouseless cord!
Seppo P.
Or, or a mouse with a cord coming out... never mind.
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-- Cd -- Christopher Denney
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Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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22 Nov 2003 10:04:40 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:48:36 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
[snip]
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
And soon we shall have intelligent wire!
And then we will have inteligent paper, just like they do in
Hagwarts!
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
22 Nov 2003 10:15:36 AM |
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Martin Thomas wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:48:36 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
[snip]
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
And soon we shall have intelligent wire!
And then we will have inteligent paper, just like they do in
Hagwarts!
We already have that, but not fast enough for video.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Smaller Computer Chips Built Using DNA as Template |
22 Nov 2003 01:15:45 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:03:09 +0000 (UTC), Seppo Pietikainen
<s.pietikainen_drop@kolumbus.fi> posted in alt.atheism:
puppet_sock@hotmail.com wrote:
maff91@yahoo.com (maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0311210332.4f4a24ad@posting.google.com>...
[snip]
The recipe for a computer chip of the future may read something like
this: Take some wires. Add DNA. Stir.
And soon we shall have intelligent wire!
Socks
Hey! that's an *Idea*! Not a cordless mouse, but a mouseless cord!
How about a wireless cord?
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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