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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Yang, AthD h.c"
Date:	18 Aug 2004 10:46:07 PM
Object:	Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records

Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most
vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate
of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own
version of events.
In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who
commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly
disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came
under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March
13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.
But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released
yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act,
contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons
fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won
his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for
providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets
flying about him."
....
I never heard a shot," Thurlow said in his affidavit, which was
released by Swift Boats Veterans for Truth. The group claims the
backing of more than 250 Vietnam veterans, including a majority of
Kerry's fellow boat commanders.
A document recommending Thurlow for the Bronze Star noted that all his
actions "took place under constant enemy small arms fire which LTJG
THURLOW completely ignored in providing immediate assistance" to the
disabled boat and its crew. The citation states that all other units
in the flotilla also came under fire.
....
Thurlow and other anti-Kerry veterans have repeatedly alleged that
Kerry was the author of an after-action report that described how his
boat came under enemy fire. Kerry campaign researchers dispute that
assertion, and there is no convincing documentary evidence to settle
the argument. As the senior skipper in the flotilla, Thurlow might
have been expected to write the after-action report for March 13, but
he said that Kerry routinely "duked the system" to present his version
of events.
For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand
what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down
the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later
returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.
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User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:39:02 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:28:43 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu>
wrote:

discrepencies in his tales.

One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause the bullets were flying
around that day. He didn't refuse the medal then, he didn't correct
the reports then. Either lied to the military to keep the medal or he
lied in the ads. Either way he is a liar.
5 boats went out, 5 officers on them. One came back with a hole in it
to explain.
The SwiftLiars gave their reports on the day of the incident. Kerry
towed one disabled craft home so we know they arrived at base
together. If they LIED THAT DAY, that is the lie they are stuck with.
If they TOLD THE TRUTH THAT DAY then they lied in their ads. Either
way you have liars. Look at their records first. What did they say on
the day they made their reports.
Why aren't they releasing their records?
We have established these are FELONY FRAUD LIARS. Now look at the
records of everybody else involved in this FELONY FRAUD. Look at
Merrie Spaeth whose thankfully dead husband, Tex Lezar, ran on the
same ticket that got GWB the governors mansion in Texas. This guy's
name is on a NCPA list on the internet with six known organized crime
felon's who specialize in FRAUD of the body politic. Don't know who
Spaeth is? She was a 'Monica', a whitehouse fellow, in the same
building where Nancy Reagan used to sneak off to the Lincoln bedroom
with Frank Sinatra. She also is the organizer of the first wave of
publicity for these FELONY FRAUD SWIFT BOAT ORGANIZED CRIME OPERATORS.
Demand Spaeth's records. Demand Lezar's records. Demand the
Lezar-Spaeth crime family friend's records.
There's a whole lot of records that Bob Perry is going to be
producing. Every federal and state agency will be on him like stink on
*****, making him produce records. You don't fund a CRIME OPERATION and
walk into the sunset whistling Dixie. Spaeth, and all, did a hatchet
job on McCain and robbed the republican party of his candidacy, but
they tangled with tougher meat than they know how to chew now.
Demand Bob Perry's records.
You want records. I'll release records. Read 'em and weep... Your
whole stinking organized crime network laid out so that even dumbfuk
jurors can follow without any shadow of a doubt.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Koctopus_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_CFACT.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Seitz.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Stohrer-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Hazeltine-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Sallie_Baliunas.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Walter_Williams_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Richard_S_Lindzen.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/AdTI_Villians.htm
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Pelosi.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Becky_Norton_Dunlop_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Confronting_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Chrispeels.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Idsos.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Fred_Michel.html
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User: "jwk"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 09:02:04 AM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.20.00.28.41.214624@edu.nospam.msu>...

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:07:01 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

Are you afraid to have the media ask Kerry who wrote the report?

The obvious answer to this stupid question is: NO. Go ahead and ask
Kerry who wrote it. He probably doesn't know. You might try asking the
Washington Post, as well, and see what they say. They're the ones who
filed the FOIA request for the documents. If the documents they got back
reveal that information, then they'll be able to tell you. In fact, I'm
about to email them with exactly that question.

Let us know what answer you get.

If Kerry wrote Thurlow's commendation, don't you think he'd have said so
before now?

On what occasion might he have done so? I've not seen him closely
questioned on the discrepencies in his tales. have you?

Re-read the articles from the Post and the AP. Both Kerry and Thurlow
have been questioned. (Aren't you paying attention?) Thurlow was the
man who SHOULD have written the report that led to both his and
Kerry's commendations. When the Post confronted him with this fact he
claimed that he didn't do it (as he was supposed to) and that Kerry
PROBABLY did it. (Pure speculation.) And then he accused Kerry of
jumping the lines of command "all the time", with no examples or
proof. Kerry denied knowledge of who wrote the report. So we don't
know. What we do know is that Thurlow was supposed to do it and he
got a commendation for a bronze star from it, and he never denied
anything the commendation said, until now. He is therefore a proven
liar, so why would you believe what he has to say about anything.
jwk
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User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 09:15:17 AM

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:02:04 -0700, jwk wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.20.00.28.41.214624@edu.nospam.msu>...

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:07:01 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

Are you afraid to have the media ask Kerry who wrote the report?

Let us know what answer you get.

If Kerry wrote Thurlow's commendation, don't you think he'd have said so
before now?

On what occasion might he have done so? I've not seen him closely
questioned on the discrepencies in his tales. have you?

Re-read the articles from the Post and the AP. Both Kerry and Thurlow
have been questioned. (Aren't you paying attention?)

A cite for the close questioning of Kerry on the discrepencies in his
tales, please?

................................Thurlow was the
man who SHOULD have written the report that led to both his and
Kerry's commendations. When the Post confronted him with this fact he
claimed that he didn't do it (as he was supposed to) and that Kerry
PROBABLY did it. (Pure speculation.) And then he accused Kerry of
jumping the lines of command "all the time", with no examples or
proof. Kerry denied knowledge of who wrote the report. So we don't
know. What we do know is that Thurlow was supposed to do it and he
got a commendation for a bronze star from it, and he never denied
anything the commendation said, until now. He is therefore a proven
liar, so why would you believe what he has to say about anything.

By that criteria, why would you believe what Kerry has to say about
anything? Or have you not yet figured out that Kerry is a "proven liar"
about his "Christmas in Cambodia" tale. Or perhaps you would care to state
that you believe that tale?
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
.

User: "Paul Mitchum"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 08:17:04 PM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:07:01 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

[..]

If Kerry wrote Thurlow's commendation, don't you think he'd have said so
before now?

On what occasion might he have done so?

On the one hand, we might have Kerry saying something like: "Thurlow? I
wrote that *****'s commendation! He didn't protest at the time,
so what's his gripe now?"
On the other hand, we might have Thurlow saying something like: "Kerry
wrote my commendation, and he lied in that, too."
Neither of which has happened, and either of which would have happened
before now.
--
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go
to war." - GWB, Houston Chronicle, January 2002
.

User: "Ric Hamiprojo"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 07:11:01 PM

If Kerry wrote Thurlow's commendation, don't you think he'd have said
so
before now?

On what occasion might he have done so?

On the one hand, we might have Kerry saying something like: "Thurlow? I
wrote that *****'s commendation! He didn't protest at the time,
so what's his gripe now?"

On the other hand, we might have Thurlow saying something like: "Kerry
wrote my commendation, and he lied in that, too."

Neither of which has happened, and either of which would have happened
before now.

Yes, this is what disturbs me about the Washington Post account. Thurlow
clearly stated that the record was flawed, and that he was not the source
for that account. Considering that the genesis of this entire issue was
that Kerry's own records were of questionable veracity, it seems bizzare
that the reporter would take the account of a "military record" at gospel
face value -- especially when it had been explicitly challenged by the
person in question before the reporter ran the story. There is no excuse
for the post reporter not following up on this allegation and establishing
authorship of Thurlow's report. This is a stain on the reputation of the
Washington Post.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 07:17:08 PM

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:11:01 GMT, "Ric Hamiprojo" <rich@eskimo.co.in>
wrote:

HAHAHAHA. LOL.
_______
Vote Bush/Voldemort 2004!
.

User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 08:29:57 PM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:17:04 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:07:01 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

[..]

If Kerry wrote Thurlow's commendation, don't you think he'd have said
so before now?

On what occasion might he have done so?

On the one hand, we might have Kerry saying something like: "Thurlow? I
wrote that *****'s commendation! He didn't protest at the time,
so what's his gripe now?"

On the other hand, we might have Thurlow saying something like: "Kerry
wrote my commendation, and he lied in that, too."

Neither of which has happened, and either of which would have happened
before now.

Again, you are not keeping up. Thurlow has said almost precisely that:
Begin Thurlow quote:
---------------------------
I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star was
language taken directly from John Kerry's report which falsely described
the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small arms fire and
automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river.
To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other
accounts from my shipmates-there was no hostile enemy fire directed at my
boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.
I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action report
describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the only officer
who filed a report describing his version of the incidents that occurred
on the river that day.
---------------------------------
End Thurlow quote
http://www.swiftvets.com/
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
.

User: "Douglas Berry"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 10:34:18 PM

In our last thrilling episode, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:29:57
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star was
language taken directly from John Kerry's report which falsely described
the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small arms fire and
automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river.

To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other
accounts from my shipmates-there was no hostile enemy fire directed at my
boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.

I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action report
describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the only officer
who filed a report describing his version of the incidents that occurred
on the river that day.

Yet he accepted the Bronze Star.. a medal given for actions *in
combat.*
Does he plan to give it back to the Navy?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.

User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 10:43:10 PM

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:34:18 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:

In our last thrilling episode, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:29:57
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

Yet he accepted the Bronze Star.. a medal given for actions *in
combat.*

Does he plan to give it back to the Navy?

If there was no hostile fire, should he?
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
.

User: "Paul Mitchum"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 10:45:33 PM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:34:18 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:

In our last thrilling episode, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:29:57
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

Yet he accepted the Bronze Star.. a medal given for actions *in
combat.*

Does he plan to give it back to the Navy?

If there was no hostile fire, should he?

If you got a Bronze Star because someone lied, would you give it back?
Would you even accept it in the first place?
--
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go
to war." - GWB, Houston Chronicle, January 2002
.

User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 10:49:47 PM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:45:33 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:34:18 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:

In our last thrilling episode, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:29:57
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

Yet he accepted the Bronze Star.. a medal given for actions *in
combat.*

Does he plan to give it back to the Navy?

If there was no hostile fire, should he?

If you got a Bronze Star because someone lied, would you give it back?
Would you even accept it in the first place?

I would give it back at the first moment that I knew it had been awarded
based upon a lie. You?
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
.

User: "Paul Mitchum"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 11:32:14 PM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:45:33 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:34:18 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:

[..]

Yet he accepted the Bronze Star.. a medal given for actions *in
combat.*

Does he plan to give it back to the Navy?

If there was no hostile fire, should he?

If you got a Bronze Star because someone lied, would you give it back?
Would you even accept it in the first place?

I would give it back at the first moment that I knew it had been awarded
based upon a lie.

Are you saying that you believe that Thurlow accepted his medal and
didn't know what it was for?

You?

Likewise.
--
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go
to war." - GWB, Houston Chronicle, January 2002
.

User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 11:49:18 PM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:32:14 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:45:33 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 03:34:18 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:

[..]

Yet he accepted the Bronze Star.. a medal given for actions *in
combat.*

Does he plan to give it back to the Navy?

If there was no hostile fire, should he?

If you got a Bronze Star because someone lied, would you give it back?
Would you even accept it in the first place?

I would give it back at the first moment that I knew it had been awarded
based upon a lie.

Are you saying that you believe that Thurlow accepted his medal and
didn't know what it was for?

Dunno. If I had to give my best guess, it'd be that he read it, figured
SNAFU, and threw it into his souvenir drawer, never figuring that it would
ever be of any interest larger than a personal one.
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
.

User: "Douglas Berry"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 10:19:59 AM

In our last thrilling episode, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:49:18
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

Dunno. If I had to give my best guess, it'd be that he read it, figured
SNAFU, and threw it into his souvenir drawer, never figuring that it would
ever be of any interest larger than a personal one.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Man, are you a civilian or what! Whwen you get an award like Bronze
Star, they *read the commendation* as it is being pinned on your
chest. The military makes a big deal out of awards for valor.
All my awards are displayed. I have them on my office wall. And I
can tell you the story behind each one.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.

User: "Paul Mitchum"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:53:35 AM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:32:14 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:45:33 -0700, Paul Mitchum wrote:

[..]

If you got a Bronze Star because someone lied, would you give it
back? Would you even accept it in the first place?

I would give it back at the first moment that I knew it had been
awarded based upon a lie.

Are you saying that you believe that Thurlow accepted his medal and
didn't know what it was for?

Dunno. If I had to give my best guess, it'd be that he read it, figured
SNAFU, and threw it into his souvenir drawer, never figuring that it would
ever be of any interest larger than a personal one.

And then went on to hang out with freepers and talk ***** about Kerry's
Bronze Star? Without ever thinking about it again?
--
"I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go
to war." - GWB, Houston Chronicle, January 2002
.

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:40:03 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:29:57 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu>
wrote:

falsely described

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:39:40 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:17:04 -0700, usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum)
wrote:

On the one hand, we might have Kerry saying something like: "Thurlow? I
wrote that *****'s commendation! He didn't protest at the time,
so what's his gripe now?"

On the other hand, we might have Thurlow saying something like: "Kerry
wrote my commendation, and he lied in that, too."

Neither of which has happened, and either of which would have happened
before now.

--

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:38:40 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:07:01 -0700, usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum)
wrote:

Are you afraid to have the media ask Kerry who wrote the report?

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:35:27 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:29:38 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu>
wrote:

immediately cease his viscious attacks on
decorated war heroes.

User: "steve horan"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 07:43:19 PM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...

Further, John Kerry must immediately cease his viscious attacks on
decorated war heroes.

John Kerry *is* a decorated war hero ya dumb *****.
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User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:40:17 AM

On 19 Aug 2004 17:43:19 -0700,

(steve horan)
wrote:

John Kerry *is* a decorated war hero

User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 08:18:51 PM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:43:19 -0700, steve horan wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...

Further, John Kerry must immediately cease his viscious attacks on
decorated war heroes.

John Kerry *is* a decorated war hero ya dumb *****.

Was Kerry in Vietnam? If so, why does he not mention it in his campaign?
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
.

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:40:44 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:18:51 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu>
wrote:

Was Kerry in Vietnam?

User: "jwk"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 09:05:29 AM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.20.01.18.49.812208@edu.nospam.msu>...

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:43:19 -0700, steve horan wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...

Further, John Kerry must immediately cease his viscious attacks on
decorated war heroes.

John Kerry *is* a decorated war hero ya dumb *****.

Was Kerry in Vietnam? If so, why does he not mention it in his campaign?

OK, you!, out of the discussion! If you are so ill informed that you
never heard that Kerry was in Vietnam, you are too fucking out of
touch to talk with the adults. Go back to playing with your
Transformers.
jwk
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User: "jwk"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 08:36:33 AM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:19 -0700, jwk wrote:

"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message news:<a288i0d06ld98e1j8t68q6nrnd08mvbf9r@4ax.com>...

Some links
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/washpost/20040819/pl_washpost/a13267_2004aug18

This Thurlow guy was the one responsible for submitting the reports.
He got his own Bronze Star from the same action Kerry did (on the
other boat). Yet now he claims that Kerry "must have" written the
report and that he never read his own citation. (Apparently, because
he claims he doesn't know what it said and has since "lost" it.) He
is one of the worse liars I ever heard of. (At least that other guy,
Lt. Cmdr. George M. Elliott, realized he couldn't lie well after he
contradicted himself several times, and now refuses to talk to the
press.) Either way, if either what this Thurlow says now is true, or
what he said then is true, he is a liar and possibly criminal. He he.

Notice how carefully the WashPost avoids sourcing those words from 1969.
Thurlow has addressed the question of whether or not he wrote the report
of enemy fire. He says he did not. It is now the reponsibility of the
WashPost to question John Kerry fully on the matter. Did Kerry write
the reports himself? John Kerry must come clean both on his Bronze Star
and on his "Christmas in Cambodia".

Further, John Kerry must immediately cease his viscious attacks on
decorated war heroes.

Even the ones who are visciously attacking him? Why? Because they
are Republicans and are entitled? Don't be silly.
jwk
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User: "joey_schabadoo"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 08:06:26 PM

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:19 -0700, jwk wrote:

Yes, he must. Stupid life saving volunteering decorated Kerry.

Further, John Kerry must immediately cease his viscious attacks on
decorated war heroes.

Yes, he must. So some Republican group is telling lies about him, he
should just shut up.
"Kerry's lying, there was no shooting!"
"I know I received a Bronze Star for all the shooting I just said
didn't exist, so what?"
Kerry should've deserted, could've run as a Republican.
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User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:41:32 AM

On 19 Aug 2004 18:06:26 -0700,

(joey_schabadoo)
wrote:

Yes, he must. So some Republican group is telling lies about him, he
should just shut up.

"Kerry's lying, there was no shooting!"

"I know I received a Bronze Star for all the shooting I just said
didn't exist, so what?"

Kerry should've deserted, could've run as a Republican.

User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 08:12:53 PM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:06:26 -0700, joey_schabadoo wrote:

james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:19 -0700, jwk wrote:

Notice how carefully the WashPost avoids sourcing those words from 1969.
Thurlow has addressed the question of whether or not he wrote the report
of enemy fire. He says he did not. It is now the reponsibility of the
WashPost to question John Kerry fully on the matter. Did Kerry write
the reports himself? John Kerry must come clean both on his Bronze Star
and on his "Christmas in Cambodia".

Yes, he must. Stupid life saving volunteering decorated Kerry.

Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
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User: "Walter Scott"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 01:32:58 AM

Do you believe the crap you were spreading back in February?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.20.30.10.849618%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.14.15.31.12.924674%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.19.31.45.501518%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
In article <pan.2004.08.20.01.12.52.71086@edu.nospam.msu> on Thu, 19
Aug 2004 18:12:53 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:

Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?

The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.

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User: "james dorfu"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 08:38:22 AM

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:32:58 +0000, Walter Scott wrote:

The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.

Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
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