Religions > Atheism > Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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18 Aug 2004 10:46:07 PM |
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Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records |
Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most
vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate
of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own
version of events.
In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who
commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly
disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came
under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March
13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.
But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released
yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act,
contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons
fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won
his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for
providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets
flying about him."
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I never heard a shot," Thurlow said in his affidavit, which was
released by Swift Boats Veterans for Truth. The group claims the
backing of more than 250 Vietnam veterans, including a majority of
Kerry's fellow boat commanders.
A document recommending Thurlow for the Bronze Star noted that all his
actions "took place under constant enemy small arms fire which LTJG
THURLOW completely ignored in providing immediate assistance" to the
disabled boat and its crew. The citation states that all other units
in the flotilla also came under fire.
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Thurlow and other anti-Kerry veterans have repeatedly alleged that
Kerry was the author of an after-action report that described how his
boat came under enemy fire. Kerry campaign researchers dispute that
assertion, and there is no convincing documentary evidence to settle
the argument. As the senior skipper in the flotilla, Thurlow might
have been expected to write the after-action report for March 13, but
he said that Kerry routinely "duked the system" to present his version
of events.
For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand
what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down
the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later
returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.
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| User: "Walter Scott" |
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| Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records |
20 Aug 2004 10:00:10 AM |
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I have no basis on which to believe or disbelieve. Next question?
Do you believe, James, the crap you were spreading back in February?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.20.30.10.849618%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.14.15.31.12.924674%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.19.31.45.501518%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
In article <pan.2004.08.20.13.38.15.259885@edu.nospam.msu> on Fri, 20
Aug 2004 06:38:22 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:32:58 +0000, Walter Scott wrote:
The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.
Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.
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| User: "james dorfu" |
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20 Aug 2004 10:18:25 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:00:10 +0000, Walter Scott wrote:
I have no basis on which to believe or disbelieve. Next question?
If the Kerry campaign were to state that the "Christmas in Cambodia" tale,
which Kerry has long claimed to have been "seared into memory...seared"
did not in fact happen, would you consider that to be a reason to
disbelieve?
Do you believe, James, the crap you were spreading back in February?
If you are capable of asking a specific question on specific statements of
mine in those urls, do so. If not, learn how to do so.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.20.30.10.849618%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.14.15.31.12.924674%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.19.31.45.501518%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
In article <pan.2004.08.20.13.38.15.259885@edu.nospam.msu> on Fri, 20
Aug 2004 06:38:22 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:32:58 +0000, Walter Scott wrote:
The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.
Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.
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Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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20 Aug 2004 05:26:18 PM |
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In our last thrilling episode, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:18:25
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
Do you believe, James, the crap you were spreading back in February?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.20.30.10.849618%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.14.15.31.12.924674%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.19.31.45.501518%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
If you are capable of asking a specific question on specific statements of
mine in those urls, do so. If not, learn how to do so.
The links given are to posts of yours concerning the allegation of
Kerry having an extramarital affair. An idea that was quickly and
thouroughly debunked, by the way.
Do you still stand behind what you posted in the three referenced
articles?
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "james dorfu" |
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| Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records |
20 Aug 2004 05:43:21 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:26:18 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:
In our last thrilling episode, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:18:25
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
Do you believe, James, the crap you were spreading back in February?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.20.30.10.849618%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.14.15.31.12.924674%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.02.16.19.31.45.501518%40yahoo.com&output=gplain
If you are capable of asking a specific question on specific statements of
mine in those urls, do so. If not, learn how to do so.
The links given are to posts of yours concerning the allegation of
Kerry having an extramarital affair. An idea that was quickly and
thouroughly debunked, by the way.
Do you still stand behind what you posted in the three referenced
articles?
I still am puzzled as to what you think I said that I would not back up
now. If you find a specific statement of mine that you wish to ask me
about, feel free to do so. A quick perusal of them has alerted me to
nothing said by me then that I would now disavow.
--
Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records |
20 Aug 2004 05:32:57 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.08.20.13.38.15.259885@edu.nospam.msu>,
james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:32:58 +0000, Walter Scott wrote:
The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.
Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/08/18/kerry_dispu
tes_allegations_on_cambodia/
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| User: "Psalm 110" |
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20 Aug 2004 12:41:46 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:12:53 -0700, james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu>
wrote:
Do you believe Kerry
One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause the bullets were flying
around that day. He didn't refuse the medal then, he didn't correct
the reports then. Either lied to the military to keep the medal or he
lied in the ads. Either way he is a liar.
5 boats went out, 5 officers on them. One came back with a hole in it
to explain.
The SwiftLiars gave their reports on the day of the incident. Kerry
towed one disabled craft home so we know they arrived at base
together. If they LIED THAT DAY, that is the lie they are stuck with.
If they TOLD THE TRUTH THAT DAY then they lied in their ads. Either
way you have liars. Look at their records first. What did they say on
the day they made their reports.
Why aren't they releasing their records?
We have established these are FELONY FRAUD LIARS. Now look at the
records of everybody else involved in this FELONY FRAUD. Look at
Merrie Spaeth whose thankfully dead husband, Tex Lezar, ran on the
same ticket that got GWB the governors mansion in Texas. This guy's
name is on a NCPA list on the internet with six known organized crime
felon's who specialize in FRAUD of the body politic. Don't know who
Spaeth is? She was a 'Monica', a whitehouse fellow, in the same
building where Nancy Reagan used to sneak off to the Lincoln bedroom
with Frank Sinatra. She also is the organizer of the first wave of
publicity for these FELONY FRAUD SWIFT BOAT ORGANIZED CRIME OPERATORS.
Demand Spaeth's records. Demand Lezar's records. Demand the
Lezar-Spaeth crime family friend's records.
There's a whole lot of records that Bob Perry is going to be
producing. Every federal and state agency will be on him like stink on
*****, making him produce records. You don't fund a CRIME OPERATION and
walk into the sunset whistling Dixie. Spaeth, and all, did a hatchet
job on McCain and robbed the republican party of his candidacy, but
they tangled with tougher meat than they know how to chew now.
Demand Bob Perry's records.
You want records. I'll release records. Read 'em and weep... Your
whole stinking organized crime network laid out so that even dumbfuk
jurors can follow without any shadow of a doubt.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Koctopus_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_CFACT.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Seitz.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Stohrer-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Hazeltine-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Sallie_Baliunas.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Walter_Williams_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Richard_S_Lindzen.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/AdTI_Villians.htm
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Pelosi.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Becky_Norton_Dunlop_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Confronting_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Chrispeels.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Idsos.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Fred_Michel.html
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| User: "joey_schabadoo" |
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20 Aug 2004 11:04:43 AM |
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james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.20.01.12.52.71086@edu.nospam.msu>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:06:26 -0700, joey_schabadoo wrote:
james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:19 -0700, jwk wrote:
Notice how carefully the WashPost avoids sourcing those words from 1969.
Thurlow has addressed the question of whether or not he wrote the report
of enemy fire. He says he did not. It is now the reponsibility of the
WashPost to question John Kerry fully on the matter. Did Kerry write
the reports himself? John Kerry must come clean both on his Bronze Star
and on his "Christmas in Cambodia".
Yes, he must. Stupid life saving volunteering decorated Kerry.
Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
So you're agreeing with everything I said?
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| User: "james dorfu" |
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20 Aug 2004 11:11:29 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:04:43 -0700, joey_schabadoo wrote:
james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.20.01.12.52.71086@edu.nospam.msu>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:06:26 -0700, joey_schabadoo wrote:
james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:19 -0700, jwk wrote:
Notice how carefully the WashPost avoids sourcing those words from 1969.
Thurlow has addressed the question of whether or not he wrote the report
of enemy fire. He says he did not. It is now the reponsibility of the
WashPost to question John Kerry fully on the matter. Did Kerry write
the reports himself? John Kerry must come clean both on his Bronze Star
and on his "Christmas in Cambodia".
Yes, he must. Stupid life saving volunteering decorated Kerry.
Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
So you're agreeing with everything I said?
Of course not. I do note that you fail to say that you believe John Kerry.
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Thursday is this week's annual "Pork Chops for Islam" day.
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| User: "joey_schabadoo" |
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22 Aug 2004 10:40:24 PM |
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james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.20.16.11.27.694674@edu.nospam.msu>...
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:04:43 -0700, joey_schabadoo wrote:
james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.20.01.12.52.71086@edu.nospam.msu>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:06:26 -0700, joey_schabadoo wrote:
james dorfu <dorf@edu.nospam.msu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.19.18.29.33.451241@edu.nospam.msu>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:19 -0700, jwk wrote:
Notice how carefully the WashPost avoids sourcing those words from 1969.
Thurlow has addressed the question of whether or not he wrote the report
of enemy fire. He says he did not. It is now the reponsibility of the
WashPost to question John Kerry fully on the matter. Did Kerry write
the reports himself? John Kerry must come clean both on his Bronze Star
and on his "Christmas in Cambodia".
Yes, he must. Stupid life saving volunteering decorated Kerry.
Do you believe Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia" tale?
So you're agreeing with everything I said?
Of course not. I do note that you fail to say that you believe John Kerry.
Give me this again: Do I believe if highly decorated volunteering
life saving Kerry was in Cambodia in December OR January? Oh yeah,
that's huge.
I still haven't figured out how Bush got into the Guard with a 25
score, bypassing hundreds, only to get grounded, run away from a drug
test, skip out on his post and 'lose' months of his life.
Could you help me out with that one?
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| User: "hank" |
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22 Aug 2004 08:38:35 PM |
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The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -951 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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Mr. Yangyid.....balanced budget? Freedom is not free...
Jobs? The president doesn't hire and fire....no president is
responsible for loss or gain of jobs...but they get the blame...
GI's ...our boys? They gave their lives...for freedom.
Without men willing to fight for freedom....we will be
taken over...and made to speak Arabic...and worship Mecca...
that may be ok for you...who are a loser....with nothing to lose...
on drugs...newly out of prison..no dad....on welfare...
highschool dropout...godless.......but not for the
rest of us hard working Americans.
peace
love
hank
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| User: "Paul J. Berg" |
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21 Aug 2004 03:02:06 PM |
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A Clackamas County (Oregon) prosecutor and decorated Vietnam veteran
who appears in an ad attacking Democratic presidential contender John
F. Kerry's war record said he did not witness the events in question
and is relying on the accounts of his friends who served with the
senator.
The 60-second ad, which aired for seven days this month in Ohio, West
Virginia and Wisconsin, features 13 Vietnam veterans, including Alfred
French, 58, a senior deputy district attorney in Clackamas County
(Oregon).
In the ad, French says: "I served with John Kerry. . . . He is lying
about his record."
The ad was paid for by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group of 300
Vietnam veterans who served in Swift boats and say Kerry has lied
about his war record and disgraced his fellow veterans by publicly
opposing the conflict upon his return home. The group said the ad will
be aired again, though it has not decided where it will be shown.
French, in an interview Thursday, said Kerry lied about the
circumstances that led to one of his Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star.
Kerry received a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts
commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam.
French said he is relying on the accounts of three other veterans who
were friends of his at the time. A fourth veteran with whom French was
acquainted corroborated their accounts.
"I was not a witness to these events but my friends were," said
French, who was awarded two Bronze Stars during the war. "I believe
these people. These are people I served with."
One of the men is Larry Thurlow, a leader of the veterans group and
one of Kerry's most vocal critics. Thurlow, who served alongside
Kerry, has disputed Kerry's claim that the senator's boat was under
fire in March 1969 when he pulled Lt. Jim Rassmann out of the water.
But according to Thurlow's military records, obtained this week by The
Washington Post, the five-boat flotilla was under enemy fire that day.
French -- relying on friends' accounts -- said Rassmann would have
been picked up by another boat if Kerry had not helped. And French
said any shots that were fired came from U.S. soldiers providing cover
as Rassmann and two others were rescued.
"It's not like he wouldn't have been saved if Kerry had not been
there," French said. "I don't believe they were under any fire when
that happened. None of the other boats were damaged."
He said Rassmann's rescue did not merit a special honor.
"Somebody fell off your boat and you go back and pick him up," French
said. "It's not worthy of a Bronze Star in my opinion."
Rassmann, who lives in Florence, Oregon and is campaigning for Kerry,
said the ad is motivated in part by some veterans' anger over Kerry's
antiwar stance upon returning home -- a charge French acknowledges.
Rassmann said the group's claims are completely false.
"To come back 35 years later and conjure up fabricated stories is the
lowest form of politics," said Rassmann, who said he does not know
French.
"I honor these guys for their service," Rassmann said. "I know they
were very courageous, along with John Kerry, and it saddens me that
they are all at one another's throats."
French, a registered Republican, said he was reluctant at first to
take part in the ad but ultimately "decided it was something I needed
to do."
French said his one-year tour of duty in Vietnam overlapped Kerry's by
two months. He said they served together in the same unit in January
and February 1969. He said he did not know Kerry well during that
time.
Source
<http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/109300303292321.xml>
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| User: "Paul J. Berg" |
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22 Aug 2004 11:39:41 AM |
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(Paul J. Berg) wrote in message news:<d1103477.0408211202.6463bdd8@posting.google.com>...
A Clackamas County (Oregon) prosecutor and decorated Vietnam veteran
who appears in an ad attacking Democratic presidential contender John
F. Kerry's war record said he did not witness the events in question
and is relying on the accounts of his friends who served with the
senator.
The 60-second ad, which aired for seven days this month in Ohio, West
Virginia and Wisconsin, features 13 Vietnam veterans, including Alfred
French, 58, a senior deputy district attorney in Clackamas County
(Oregon).
In the ad, French says: "I served with John Kerry. . . . He is lying
about his record."
The ad was paid for by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group of 300
Vietnam veterans who served in Swift boats and say Kerry has lied
about his war record and disgraced his fellow veterans by publicly
opposing the conflict upon his return home. The group said the ad will
be aired again, though it has not decided where it will be shown.
French, in an interview Thursday, said Kerry lied about the
circumstances that led to one of his Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star.
Kerry received a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts
commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam.
French said he is relying on the accounts of three other veterans who
were friends of his at the time. A fourth veteran with whom French was
acquainted corroborated their accounts.
"I was not a witness to these events but my friends were," said
French, who was awarded two Bronze Stars during the war. "I believe
these people. These are people I served with."
One of the men is Larry Thurlow, a leader of the veterans group and
one of Kerry's most vocal critics. Thurlow, who served alongside
Kerry, has disputed Kerry's claim that the senator's boat was under
fire in March 1969 when he pulled Lt. Jim Rassmann out of the water.
But according to Thurlow's military records, obtained this week by The
Washington Post, the five-boat flotilla was under enemy fire that day.
French -- relying on friends' accounts -- said Rassmann would have
been picked up by another boat if Kerry had not helped. And French
said any shots that were fired came from U.S. soldiers providing cover
as Rassmann and two others were rescued.
"It's not like he wouldn't have been saved if Kerry had not been
there," French said. "I don't believe they were under any fire when
that happened. None of the other boats were damaged."
He said Rassmann's rescue did not merit a special honor.
"Somebody fell off your boat and you go back and pick him up," French
said. "It's not worthy of a Bronze Star in my opinion."
Rassmann, who lives in Florence, Oregon and is campaigning for Kerry,
said the ad is motivated in part by some veterans' anger over Kerry's
antiwar stance upon returning home -- a charge French acknowledges.
Rassmann said the group's claims are completely false.
"To come back 35 years later and conjure up fabricated stories is the
lowest form of politics," said Rassmann, who said he does not know
French.
"I honor these guys for their service," Rassmann said. "I know they
were very courageous, along with John Kerry, and it saddens me that
they are all at one another's throats."
French, a registered Republican, said he was reluctant at first to
take part in the ad but ultimately "decided it was something I needed
to do."
French said his one-year tour of duty in Vietnam overlapped Kerry's by
two months. He said they served together in the same unit in January
and February 1969. He said he did not know Kerry well during that
time.
Source
<http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/109300303292321.xml>
Persons who wish to email Mr. French can do so at <AlFre@co.clackamas.or.us>
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| User: "Psalm 110" |
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22 Aug 2004 07:07:21 PM |
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On 22 Aug 2004 09:39:41 -0700, (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
(Paul J. Berg) wrote in message news:<d1103477.0408211202.6463bdd8@posting.google.com>...
A Clackamas County (Oregon) prosecutor and decorated Vietnam veteran
who appears in an ad attacking Democratic presidential contender John
F. Kerry's war record said he did not witness the events in question
and is relying on the accounts of his friends who served with the
senator.
The 60-second ad, which aired for seven days this month in Ohio, West
Virginia and Wisconsin, features 13 Vietnam veterans, including Alfred
French, 58, a senior deputy district attorney in Clackamas County
(Oregon).
In the ad, French says: "I served with John Kerry. . . . He is lying
about his record."
Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
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** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
"Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
-- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
veterans steering committee.
** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."
NEWS - August 21, 2004
**
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4fyem Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete And Flawed
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6wvtm Anti-Kerry vets not there that day
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040821kerry,1,7582568.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6v4no Swift boat skipper: Kerry critics wrong --
Tribune editor breaks long silence on Kerry record; fought in disputed
battle
**
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/08/21/MNGE08C6V11.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/45xfx Kerry's Vietnam-era testimony criticized in
new attack ad -- Democrat counters with endorsement by retired general
** http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-camp21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4jjth Dems see link to Swift Boat Vets, Bush-Cheney
----------------------------------
*** George W. Bush - Closely tied to Merrie Spaeth's husband Tex
Lezar, benefitted from Bob Perry money, linked to Karl Rove, to
Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, to Regnery publishing, to Harlan Crow
http://tinyurl.com/4uc37GOOGLE.COM Results 220 for "George W. Bush"
Merrie Spaeth Tex Lezar.
http://tinyurl.com/54lqwGOOGLE.COM Results 257 for "George W. Bush"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/6j2gdGOOGLE.COM Results 613 for "George W. Bush"
"Bob Perry"".
*** Karl Rove - Closely linked to GW Bush, to Merrie Spaeth, to John
O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris
http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo
http://tobaccodocuments.org/ai_news/11015.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=19991108&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5gbbd
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=19991108&c=2&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5qcb2
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/cgi/getdoc?tid=hfd83c00&fmt=tif&ref=results
http://tinyurl.com/6ocdyGOOGLE.COM Results 5,100 for "Karl Rove"
"Swift Boat".
http://tinyurl.com/69vjn
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158396.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5l2ee
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158370.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies
http://tinyurl.com/64v3cGOOGLE.COM Results 814 for "Merrie Spaeth"
republican.
http://tinyurl.com/63zvuGOOGLE.COM Results 317 for "Merrie Spaeth"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/43fekGOOGLE.COM Results 10 for "Tex Lezar" tobacco.
*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://mediamatters.org/items/200406020006
http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060011
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/4vrwqGOOGLE.COM Results 482 for "John E. O'Neill"
Colson.
http://tinyurl.com/496xl
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board,
http://tinyurl.com/5afl5
http://www.aei.org/about/contentID.20038142214500073/default.asp
http://tinyurl.com/6l7vnGOOGLE.COM Results 113 for "Harlan Crow"
Holdings.
http://tinyurl.com/57oc8GOOGLE.COM Results 217 for "Harlan Crow"
swift.
*** Bob J. Perry (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, Rove, Crow
http://tinyurl.com/3oggt
http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=79&media_type=TEXT
http://tinyurl.com/6kasoGOOGLE.COM Results 1,630 for "Bob Perry"
swift.
*** Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, (SwillBoat Ad maker) Linked to
republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns
http://tinyurl.com/5z7ddGOOGLE.COM Results 43 for "Stevens Reed Curcio
& Potholm" swift.
http://tinyurl.com/6g7fc http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/55f4r http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/5uwlw http://srcpmedia.com/house.html
http://tinyurl.com/5nmv7 http://srcpmedia.com/senate.html
http://tinyurl.com/6xnut http://srcpmedia.com/work.html
*** Regnery, a conservative company linked to Richard Mellon Scaife
who manipulates best-seller book list rankings, to Ken Starr, to Corsi
and O'Neill
http://tinyurl.com/5qw2n http://www.phillips.com/eagle.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4zvy2
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Richard%20Scaife
http://tinyurl.com/6vbpf
http://www.prospect.org/print/V11/5/confessore-n.html
http://tinyurl.com/5szod http://www.americanreview.us/back32.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4ycqdGOOGLE.COM Results 146 for "Regnery
Publishing" Richard Mellon Scaife.
*** Jerome R. Corsi Linked to Richard Scaife, to O'Neill, to Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/5a83u http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120001
http://tinyurl.com/5l66z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408110007
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010
http://tinyurl.com/4zkmo
http://www.salon.com/src/ads/house/gateway/tv_head_gateway.html?http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index_np.html
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010
*** Dr. Louis Letson
http://tinyurl.com/3sf73
http://www.fearofclowns.com/text/kerry_faked_first_purple_heart_debunked/
http://tinyurl.com/5atvt
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
*** William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral
http://tinyurl.com/3wttr
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04228/361477.stm
http://tinyurl.com/65xuf
http://www.underzealous.com/index.php/2004/08/13/p522
*** Larry Thurlow, who said his boat was 50 to 60 yards from Mr.
Kerry's.
http://tinyurl.com/5m4dc
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/6fyu4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/5mhcw
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i6344
The felony fraud organized crime ring is further connected to other
organiced crime fraud operations:
### Richard Mellon Scaife <http://tinyurl.com/5vdpe> is trumpetting it
from his publications. Scaife is historically linked to several of the
felons in the SwiftLiars crime ring. Scaife also funds a broad
coalition of websites and front organizations which are also promoting
this felony conspiracy though their own fraud crime operations:
Scaife thrall organization and Scaife leash-dollars put in it:
*** Heritage Foundation, $20,696,640 (Townhall.com)
http://tinyurl.com/6ng83 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 6,000 for
"Heritage Foundation" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
$5,201,000
http://tinyurl.com/68tqj GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,750 for
"American Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Spectator Educational Foundation, Inc. $4,144,000
http://tinyurl.com/3n92j GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for
"American Spectator" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Accuracy in Media, Inc. $3,225,000
http://tinyurl.com/3tg26 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,880 for
"Accuracy in Media" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation $2,335,000
http://tinyurl.com/53kxs GOOGLE.COM Results Results about 2,590 for
"Citizens for a Sound Economy" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Cato Institute $1,872,500
http://tinyurl.com/6jrt7 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for "Cato
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Policy Analysis $1,760,000
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhy GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"National Center for Policy Analysis" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Independent Women's Forum $1,600,000
http://tinyurl.com/4j9ae GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,670 for
"Independent Women's Forum" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Competitive Enterprise Institute $1,525,000
http://tinyurl.com/585fn GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"Competitive Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Legislative Exchange Council $1,495,000
http://tinyurl.com/5kuo9 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,480 for
"American Legislative Exchange Council" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Defenders of Property Rights $965,000
http://tinyurl.com/4l3gc GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,440 for
"Defenders of Property Rights" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Research Center, Inc. $952,000
http://tinyurl.com/46hys GOOGLE.COM Results Results 5,240 for "Media
Research Center" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Institute for Humane Studies $950,000
http://tinyurl.com/3w7b3 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,450 for
"Institute for Humane Studies" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Public Policy Research, Inc. $825,000
http://tinyurl.com/59wll Google.com 2,610 for "National Center for
Public Policy Research" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Institute $645,000
http://tinyurl.com/6s7b4 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,200 for "Media
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Acton Institute For The Study of Religion and Liberty $565,000
http://tinyurl.com/6h98g GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,470 for "Acton
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
### Sun Myung Moon is another felony fraud conspirator using his
organized crime operation to advance his candidate who has a bilnd eye
to Moon's crimes. The WASHINGTON TIMES and UPI wireservice is Moonie
front operations. <
http://tinyurl.com/6nlt9>
***
http://tinyurl.com/55jrwGOOGLE.COM Results 42,600 for "Washington
Times" Swift boat OR Boats.
SUN MYUNG MOON uses "CHURCH PROPERTY", helps create 42,600 webpages
circulating LIES.
The ad was paid for by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group of 300
Vietnam veterans who served in Swift boats and say Kerry has lied
about his war record and disgraced his fellow veterans by publicly
opposing the conflict upon his return home. The group said the ad will
be aired again, though it has not decided where it will be shown.
French, in an interview Thursday, said Kerry lied about the
circumstances that led to one of his Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star.
Kerry received a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts
commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam.
French said he is relying on the accounts of three other veterans who
were friends of his at the time. A fourth veteran with whom French was
acquainted corroborated their accounts.
"I was not a witness to these events but my friends were," said
French, who was awarded two Bronze Stars during the war. "I believe
these people. These are people I served with."
One of the men is Larry Thurlow, a leader of the veterans group and
one of Kerry's most vocal critics. Thurlow, who served alongside
Kerry, has disputed Kerry's claim that the senator's boat was under
fire in March 1969 when he pulled Lt. Jim Rassmann out of the water.
But according to Thurlow's military records, obtained this week by The
Washington Post, the five-boat flotilla was under enemy fire that day.
French -- relying on friends' accounts -- said Rassmann would have
been picked up by another boat if Kerry had not helped. And French
said any shots that were fired came from U.S. soldiers providing cover
as Rassmann and two others were rescued.
"It's not like he wouldn't have been saved if Kerry had not been
there," French said. "I don't believe they were under any fire when
that happened. None of the other boats were damaged."
He said Rassmann's rescue did not merit a special honor.
"Somebody fell off your boat and you go back and pick him up," French
said. "It's not worthy of a Bronze Star in my opinion."
Rassmann, who lives in Florence, Oregon and is campaigning for Kerry,
said the ad is motivated in part by some veterans' anger over Kerry's
antiwar stance upon returning home -- a charge French acknowledges.
Rassmann said the group's claims are completely false.
"To come back 35 years later and conjure up fabricated stories is the
lowest form of politics," said Rassmann, who said he does not know
French.
"I honor these guys for their service," Rassmann said. "I know they
were very courageous, along with John Kerry, and it saddens me that
they are all at one another's throats."
French, a registered Republican, said he was reluctant at first to
take part in the ad but ultimately "decided it was something I needed
to do."
French said his one-year tour of duty in Vietnam overlapped Kerry's by
two months. He said they served together in the same unit in January
and February 1969. He said he did not know Kerry well during that
time.
Source
<http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/109300303292321.xml>
Persons who wish to email Mr. French can do so at <AlFre@co.clackamas.or.us>
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On 21 Aug 2004 13:02:06 -0700, (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
A Clackamas County (Oregon) prosecutor and decorated Vietnam veteran
who appears in an ad attacking Democratic presidential contender John
F. Kerry's war record said he did not witness the events in question
and is relying on the accounts of his friends who served with the
senator.
The 60-second ad, which aired for seven days this month in Ohio, West
Virginia and Wisconsin, features 13 Vietnam veterans, including Alfred
French, 58, a senior deputy district attorney in Clackamas County
(Oregon).
In the ad, French says: "I served with John Kerry. . . . He is lying
about his record."
Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections
LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/639as veteran working to help re-elect incumbent
president George W. Bush resigned
** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
"Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
-- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
veterans steering committee.
** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."
NEWS - August 21, 2004
**
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4fyem Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete And Flawed
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6wvtm Anti-Kerry vets not there that day
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040821kerry,1,7582568.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6v4no Swift boat skipper: Kerry critics wrong --
Tribune editor breaks long silence on Kerry record; fought in disputed
battle
**
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/08/21/MNGE08C6V11.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/45xfx Kerry's Vietnam-era testimony criticized in
new attack ad -- Democrat counters with endorsement by retired general
** http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-camp21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4jjth Dems see link to Swift Boat Vets, Bush-Cheney
----------------------------------
*** George W. Bush - Closely tied to Merrie Spaeth's husband Tex
Lezar, benefitted from Bob Perry money, linked to Karl Rove, to
Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, to Regnery publishing, to Harlan Crow
http://tinyurl.com/4uc37GOOGLE.COM Results 220 for "George W. Bush"
Merrie Spaeth Tex Lezar.
http://tinyurl.com/54lqwGOOGLE.COM Results 257 for "George W. Bush"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/6j2gdGOOGLE.COM Results 613 for "George W. Bush"
"Bob Perry"".
*** Karl Rove - Closely linked to GW Bush, to Merrie Spaeth, to John
O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris
http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo
http://tobaccodocuments.org/ai_news/11015.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=19991108&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5gbbd
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=19991108&c=2&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5qcb2
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/cgi/getdoc?tid=hfd83c00&fmt=tif&ref=results
http://tinyurl.com/6ocdyGOOGLE.COM Results 5,100 for "Karl Rove"
"Swift Boat".
http://tinyurl.com/69vjn
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158396.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5l2ee
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158370.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies
http://tinyurl.com/64v3cGOOGLE.COM Results 814 for "Merrie Spaeth"
republican.
http://tinyurl.com/63zvuGOOGLE.COM Results 317 for "Merrie Spaeth"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/43fekGOOGLE.COM Results 10 for "Tex Lezar" tobacco.
*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://mediamatters.org/items/200406020006
http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060011
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/4vrwqGOOGLE.COM Results 482 for "John E. O'Neill"
Colson.
http://tinyurl.com/496xl
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board,
http://tinyurl.com/5afl5
http://www.aei.org/about/contentID.20038142214500073/default.asp
http://tinyurl.com/6l7vnGOOGLE.COM Results 113 for "Harlan Crow"
Holdings.
http://tinyurl.com/57oc8GOOGLE.COM Results 217 for "Harlan Crow"
swift.
*** Bob J. Perry (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, Rove, Crow
http://tinyurl.com/3oggt
http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=79&media_type=TEXT
http://tinyurl.com/6kasoGOOGLE.COM Results 1,630 for "Bob Perry"
swift.
*** Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, (SwillBoat Ad maker) Linked to
republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns
http://tinyurl.com/5z7ddGOOGLE.COM Results 43 for "Stevens Reed Curcio
& Potholm" swift.
http://tinyurl.com/6g7fc http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/55f4r http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/5uwlw http://srcpmedia.com/house.html
http://tinyurl.com/5nmv7 http://srcpmedia.com/senate.html
http://tinyurl.com/6xnut http://srcpmedia.com/work.html
*** Regnery, a conservative company linked to Richard Mellon Scaife
who manipulates best-seller book list rankings, to Ken Starr, to Corsi
and O'Neill
http://tinyurl.com/5qw2n http://www.phillips.com/eagle.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4zvy2
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Richard%20Scaife
http://tinyurl.com/6vbpf
http://www.prospect.org/print/V11/5/confessore-n.html
http://tinyurl.com/5szod http://www.americanreview.us/back32.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4ycqdGOOGLE.COM Results 146 for "Regnery
Publishing" Richard Mellon Scaife.
*** Jerome R. Corsi Linked to Richard Scaife, to O'Neill, to Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/5a83u http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120001
http://tinyurl.com/5l66z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408110007
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010
http://tinyurl.com/4zkmo
http://www.salon.com/src/ads/house/gateway/tv_head_gateway.html?http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index_np.html
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010
*** Dr. Louis Letson
http://tinyurl.com/3sf73
http://www.fearofclowns.com/text/kerry_faked_first_purple_heart_debunked/
http://tinyurl.com/5atvt
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
*** William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral
http://tinyurl.com/3wttr
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04228/361477.stm
http://tinyurl.com/65xuf
http://www.underzealous.com/index.php/2004/08/13/p522
*** Larry Thurlow, who said his boat was 50 to 60 yards from Mr.
Kerry's.
http://tinyurl.com/5m4dc
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/6fyu4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/5mhcw
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i6344
The felony fraud organized crime ring is further connected to other
organiced crime fraud operations:
### Richard Mellon Scaife <http://tinyurl.com/5vdpe> is trumpetting it
from his publications. Scaife is historically linked to several of the
felons in the SwiftLiars crime ring. Scaife also funds a broad
coalition of websites and front organizations which are also promoting
this felony conspiracy though their own fraud crime operations:
Scaife thrall organization and Scaife leash-dollars put in it:
*** Heritage Foundation, $20,696,640 (Townhall.com)
http://tinyurl.com/6ng83 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 6,000 for
"Heritage Foundation" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
$5,201,000
http://tinyurl.com/68tqj GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,750 for
"American Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Spectator Educational Foundation, Inc. $4,144,000
http://tinyurl.com/3n92j GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for
"American Spectator" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Accuracy in Media, Inc. $3,225,000
http://tinyurl.com/3tg26 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,880 for
"Accuracy in Media" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation $2,335,000
http://tinyurl.com/53kxs GOOGLE.COM Results Results about 2,590 for
"Citizens for a Sound Economy" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Cato Institute $1,872,500
http://tinyurl.com/6jrt7 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for "Cato
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Policy Analysis $1,760,000
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhy GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"National Center for Policy Analysis" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Independent Women's Forum $1,600,000
http://tinyurl.com/4j9ae GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,670 for
"Independent Women's Forum" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Competitive Enterprise Institute $1,525,000
http://tinyurl.com/585fn GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"Competitive Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Legislative Exchange Council $1,495,000
http://tinyurl.com/5kuo9 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,480 for
"American Legislative Exchange Council" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Defenders of Property Rights $965,000
http://tinyurl.com/4l3gc GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,440 for
"Defenders of Property Rights" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Research Center, Inc. $952,000
http://tinyurl.com/46hys GOOGLE.COM Results Results 5,240 for "Media
Research Center" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Institute for Humane Studies $950,000
http://tinyurl.com/3w7b3 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,450 for
"Institute for Humane Studies" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Public Policy Research, Inc. $825,000
http://tinyurl.com/59wll Google.com 2,610 for "National Center for
Public Policy Research" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Institute $645,000
http://tinyurl.com/6s7b4 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,200 for "Media
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Acton Institute For The Study of Religion and Liberty $565,000
http://tinyurl.com/6h98g GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,470 for "Acton
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
### Sun Myung Moon is another felony fraud conspirator using his
organized crime operation to advance his candidate who has a bilnd eye
to Moon's crimes. The WASHINGTON TIMES and UPI wireservice is Moonie
front operations. <
http://tinyurl.com/6nlt9>
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http://tinyurl.com/55jrwGOOGLE.COM Results 42,600 for "Washington
Times" Swift boat OR Boats.
SUN MYUNG MOON uses "CHURCH PROPERTY", helps create 42,600 webpages
circulating LIES.
The ad was paid for by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group of 300
Vietnam veterans who served in Swift boats and say Kerry has lied
about his war record and disgraced his fellow veterans by publicly
opposing the conflict upon his return home. The group said the ad will
be aired again, though it has not decided where it will be shown.
French, in an interview Thursday, said Kerry lied about the
circumstances that led to one of his Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star.
Kerry received a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts
commanding a Swift boat in Vietnam.
French said he is relying on the accounts of three other veterans who
were friends of his at the time. A fourth veteran with whom French was
acquainted corroborated their accounts.
"I was not a witness to these events but my friends were," said
French, who was awarded two Bronze Stars during the war. "I believe
these people. These are people I served with."
One of the men is Larry Thurlow, a leader of the veterans group and
one of Kerry's most vocal critics. Thurlow, who served alongside
Kerry, has disputed Kerry's claim that the senator's boat was under
fire in March 1969 when he pulled Lt. Jim Rassmann out of the water.
But according to Thurlow's military records, obtained this week by The
Washington Post, the five-boat flotilla was under enemy fire that day.
French -- relying on friends' accounts -- said Rassmann would have
been picked up by another boat if Kerry had not helped. And French
said any shots that were fired came from U.S. soldiers providing cover
as Rassmann and two others were rescued.
"It's not like he wouldn't have been saved if Kerry had not been
there," French said. "I don't believe they were under any fire when
that happened. None of the other boats were damaged."
He said Rassmann's rescue did not merit a special honor.
"Somebody fell off your boat and you go back and pick him up," French
said. "It's not worthy of a Bronze Star in my opinion."
Rassmann, who lives in Florence, Oregon and is campaigning for Kerry,
said the ad is motivated in part by some veterans' anger over Kerry's
antiwar stance upon returning home -- a charge French acknowledges.
Rassmann said the group's claims are completely false.
"To come back 35 years later and conjure up fabricated stories is the
lowest form of politics," said Rassmann, who said he does not know
French.
"I honor these guys for their service," Rassmann said. "I know they
were very courageous, along with John Kerry, and it saddens me that
they are all at one another's throats."
French, a registered Republican, said he was reluctant at first to
take part in the ad but ultimately "decided it was something I needed
to do."
French said his one-year tour of duty in Vietnam overlapped Kerry's by
two months. He said they served together in the same unit in January
and February 1969. He said he did not know Kerry well during that
time.
Source
<http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/109300303292321.xml>
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While noting, Paul, that you're not standing for the veracity of the person
mentioned in the news item you posted, I have to ask what's wrong
with this picture: a PROSECUTOR that relies on *HEARSAY*?!?!?!?
Meanwhile, there's this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040821/ap_on_el_pr/bush_swift_boats
Presidential Elections - AP
Volunteer Links Anti-Kerry Flier to GOP
Fri Aug 20, 9:26 PM ET
By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
CRAWFORD, Texas - A volunteer for John Kerry (news - web
sites) said Friday he picked up a flier in a Bush-Cheney
campaign office in Gainesville, Fla., promoting Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, a group the Bush campaign has insisted
for weeks it has no connection to. [......] At Bush-Cheney
campaign headquarters outside Washington, spokesman Steve
Schmidt said: "The Bush-Cheney campaign has nothing to do
with that piece of paper. ... I don't know how it showed up
at the campaign headquarters."
...... AND ......
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22065-2004Aug21.html
Veteran Backs Kerry on Silver Star Account
The Associated Press
Saturday, August 21, 2004; 5:34 PM
CHICAGO - A Chicago Tribune editor who was on the Vietnam
mission for which John Kerry received the Silver Star is
backing up Kerry's account of the incident.
William Rood, 61, said he decided to break his silence about
the Feb. 28, 1969, mission because reports by the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth are incorrect and darken the reputations
of veterans who served with Kerry, according to a report in
the Tribune's Sunday editions. [....]
In article <d1103477.0408211202.6463bdd8@posting.google.com> on 21 Aug
2004 13:02:06 -0700, (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
A Clackamas County (Oregon) prosecutor and decorated Vietnam veteran
who appears in an ad attacking Democratic presidential contender John
F. Kerry's war record said he did not witness the events in question
and is relying on the accounts of his friends who served with the
senator.
The search for truth requires the courage to accept it.
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19 Aug 2004 12:08:38 AM |
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TOP TEN MCGREEVEY JOKES ABOUT QUEER LIBERALS!
10. NJ state bird is now the swallow.
9. NJ Turnpike renamed the Hershey highway.
8. NJ raises the terror alert level to lavender.
7. We know he didn't like Bush, but this is rediculous.
6. Now we know why McGreevey enjoyed "polling" so much.
5. Q: What does McGreevey and the Israeli navy have in common?
A: Jewish seaman.
4. NJ DMV to now call a rear end accident a McGreevey
3. Gives new meaning to stuffing the ballot box
2. Newspaper headline...McGreevey goes down.
And the number one McGreevey joke....
1. Shouldn't take McGreevey long to get out of the governer’s mansion,
he's already got his ***** packed!
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Liberals Hate America!
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