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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Yang, AthD h.c"
Date:	18 Aug 2004 10:46:07 PM
Object:	Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records

Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most
vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate
of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own
version of events.
In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who
commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly
disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came
under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March
13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.
But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released
yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act,
contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons
fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won
his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for
providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets
flying about him."
....
I never heard a shot," Thurlow said in his affidavit, which was
released by Swift Boats Veterans for Truth. The group claims the
backing of more than 250 Vietnam veterans, including a majority of
Kerry's fellow boat commanders.
A document recommending Thurlow for the Bronze Star noted that all his
actions "took place under constant enemy small arms fire which LTJG
THURLOW completely ignored in providing immediate assistance" to the
disabled boat and its crew. The citation states that all other units
in the flotilla also came under fire.
....
Thurlow and other anti-Kerry veterans have repeatedly alleged that
Kerry was the author of an after-action report that described how his
boat came under enemy fire. Kerry campaign researchers dispute that
assertion, and there is no convincing documentary evidence to settle
the argument. As the senior skipper in the flotilla, Thurlow might
have been expected to write the after-action report for March 13, but
he said that Kerry routinely "duked the system" to present his version
of events.
For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand
what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down
the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later
returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.
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Yang
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The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
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Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda"
Title: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco Texas?	23 Aug 2004 09:16:51 PM

Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco
Texas?
Remember when you were a little child, and you thought everyone in
America believed in freedom and being free?
Since you've grown up, you now realize that not all Americans believe
in liberty for all. Some, mostly in the democRATic Party, believe in a
sort of limited concept of liberty. You can may remain free as long as
you agree with them. Take for instance the Bill Clinton era situation
that took place in Waco, and the church that was burned down, and
where 85 Americans lost their lives. Those Americans were just living
at that church way out in the middle of no where close to Waco Texas.
The democRAT-controlled congress of the day was thinking about dumping
the BATF and making those agents into members of the FBI.
The BATF wanted no part of this. As with most federal agencies, there
is no love between them. The BATF had to think up something quick to
justify their existence. It was known by the BATF that David Koresh
had a compound with a church and many families living apart from
mainstream society near Waco. As with Ruby Ridge, the federal
government seems to hate Americans that want to live away from big
cities quietly doing their own thing. It seems that living like this
attracts government attention. Of course, government wants to rule
over you, not just uphold your rights and ensure your security as it
was designed to do. Oh no, government wants to be your god, and how
dare you think of doing for yourself out their on a large plot of land
in the middle of Texas??? Government employees need you to need them
so that they can keep their jobs!
So, the BATF decided to go check out David Koresh with the idea that
since he was ordering gun parts in the mail, he might be ordering
illegal gun parts, but no one knew for certain. So the cowboys of the
BATF road into town with guns drawn and ready to fire. It was at this
point that the local sheriff told the BATF that he knew Koresh and
that he was an ok kind of guy, and that he came to town all the time
to buy stuff, thus he was no threat to anyone. This information had no
effect on the plans of the BATF. The agency needed to look good on the
evening news so that congress wouldn't kill off the federal law
enforcement
agency.
Agents surrounded the compound and told Koresh to come out. He wanted
to talk to the leader of the pack before coming out, but one thing led
to another and a stand off ensued. For over a month, agents turned off
the water, electricity, and allowed little or no food to enter the
compound. By this time, the nation was focused on Waco, and FBI agents
took over the situation. They played loud noises to try to make the
families leave the church, but they were scared to death.
The home and church was just a wood structure. As US army tanks rolled
into Waco, and Cobra helicopters flew overhead, the patience of the
FBI had run out. A plan was set into motion. Gas the building with CS
gas used in WWII and banned since. CS gas is highly flammable. The
tanks moved forward and shoved their turrets into the simple building,
the home of many women and children. As the tanks began to inject gas
into the building, fire was added. Was it done on purpose to keep the
public from seeing the bullet holes in the front door and all over the
building where agents had fired at the occupants? Was the fire just an
accident? Both the Murrah building and the Koresh church were
eventually scraped off the ground and carted away by the government.
Why? Why was the actual earth around these buildings and under them
as well, removed?
Why was there a huge hole in the roof of the concrete cellar which was
used for kitchen storage at the Koresh church? Many people gathered
into the cellar on the day that the church was set ablaze. People have
since stated that the feds placed a large explosive on the roof of the
concrete room with the idea of sending millions of concrete fragments
into the room at bullet speed to kill the occupants. There were many
found dead in that room. Mothers, fathers and children were all
killed. The hole in the roof is on film. You can see that the blast on
the roof was set dead center on the top side where a much smaller
hole was seen. When in the room looking upward, you could see the hole
was much larger. The hole was similar to the kind of effect caused by
a BB hitting glass. It was conical in shape with the large side facing
downward.
When the dust and flamed cleared, 85 Americans lay dead throughout the
compound. Many lies were told to justify the actions of the Clinton
administration. But, government had to remain in control and appear
faultless. Koresh was said to be a child molester. He was supposed to
have a speed lab in the building making huge amounts of meth to sell.
He was supposed to have had illegal weapons, and performed illegal
mods to weapons he owned. The lies kept coming. Government lost its
cool, and 85 people were dead. Someone had to take the blame, but
just like Ruby Ridge where the federal marshall was promoted after
killing a woman holding her child, no one in either the FBI, or BATF
suffered as a result of the outcome of this tragic situation. Liberal
style government protects its own.
So, when you're thinking back on your childhood and you remember how
wonderful things seemed then because you didn't know how bad things
can really get, just for a moment, remember the people who died at
Waco and Ruby Ridge who were victims of an out of control liberal
democRAT controlled government, right here IN AMERICA. Remember that
not everyone in our fair land supports the concept of liberty for all.
Remember that, as our founders told us, government must be very
limited and under the complete control of We the People, or massive
abuses of power will occur, and lives and liberty
will be lost.
.

User: "MOONIES for Bush"
Title: Re: Remember when Bill Clinton let the BATF kill all those people in Waco Texas?	25 Aug 2004 02:17:49 AM

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:16:51 -0400, Hanoi Jane Fonda
<hanoi_jane@N0SPAM.C0M> twrote

Remember when you were a little child, and you thought everyone in
America believed in freedom and being free?

Since you've grown up, you now realize that not all Americans believe
in liberty for all.

Bush Pal SUN MYUNG MOON's Nuke-Tech to ATHEIST North Korea.
The issue is NOT purple hearts in Viet Nam, but Black Hearts in
Washington D.C.
George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave nuclear weapons submarine
sea-launch technology to North Korea in 1994. That technology now
permits North Korea sea-platform launched missiles to hit continental
USA. Bush and Moon are collaborating on "SwiftVet" smear dirty tricks,
using Moon's Washington Times and UPI news operations to peddle felony
frauds.
SUN MYUNG MOON gave North Korea NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEMS.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
Sun Myung Moon's Japanese Toen Trading company delivered 12 Russian
Golf missile submarines with launch tubes intact. The North Korean
communists studied this technology and adapted their missiles to be
sea launched from surface and submarine platforms. North Korea now has
nuclear weapon strike capability which can reach the continental
United States from sea-based mobile launch facilities at distances of
2,500 miles. This website has clickable links to Sun Myung Moon
subversion sources, documentation, proof.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
LINKS -- NK sea-missile capability: http://www.navyseals.com
http://www.janes.com http://www.reuters.co.uk http://news.bbc.co.uk
http://www.washingtontimes.com http://www.newscientist.com
http://www.townhall.com http://www.freerepublic.com
http://www.libertyforum.org http://www.theage.com.au
http://www.iht.com http://www.latimes.com
LINKS -- North Korean-born Sun Myung Moon's Toen Trading Submarine
Subversion: http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.usasurvival.org
http://www.gorenfeld.net http://www.davidicke.net
http://blog.mmadsen.org http://www.kenlayne.com
http://www.pandagon.net http://jameswagner.com
http://functionalambivalent.typepad.com http://www.la-mancha.net
http://windsofchange.net http://thoughtcrimes.org http://www.vuw.ac.nz
Sun Myung Moon owns the Washington Times newspaper, and he owns the
UPI (United Press International) wireservice. He controls the main
Washington DC conservative propaganda mill. The Washington Times has
been subsidized by over a billion dollars of moonie slave labor. Every
time that a republican politician quotes the Washington Times, or
writes an article or op-ed in it, Sun Myung Moon is made larger in his
brainwashed follower's eyes. Conservatives are so desperate for
propaganda for their agenda that they willingly aid and abet Sun Myung
Moon's organized crime activities in exchange for the help his
organized crime front operations deliver to them.
Sun Myung Moon has paid ex-presidents, such as George Herbert Walker
Bush up to $10,000,000 for photo-op and endorsements, because his
virtually captive followers have very restricted access to news. They
are told that everybody Moon shakes hands with has accepted Moon as
their lord and savior. This global slave labor force replenishes a $10
million expense for faked stage setting photo-op in a couple of days.
LINKS about Moonies, Bush, Washinton Times connections:
The Moonies: Everything you wanted to know about Sun Myung Moon and
the Unification Church
Moonie and Related Links
* The Right Wing Media Conspiracy - How the Moonies and right wing
groups control the media
* Moonies and the Washington Times - The mouthpiece of Sun Myung
Moon
* Is George Bush a Moonie? - Bush takes $100,000 to endorse the
Moonies
* Inside Look at the Moonies - Great article I snagged
* Moonie Front Organizations - 1000 organization that are Moonie
fronts
* Consortium News - Very good articles about Moonies and other
right wingers
* Bush and Moon - US CIA and Korean CIA?? GHW Bush Praises Sun
Myung Moon as 'Man of Vision'
* Sun Myung Moon - "the Savior, Messiah and King of Kings of all
of humanity"
* The Bush-Kim-Moon Triangle of Money - the political largesse of
Sun Myung Moon.
Sun Myung Moon crowned as Second Coming in DC
The news of a very strange event that occurred at the end of March,
but was quietly swept under the carpet by the mainstream media, is
just now beginning to leak out. Expect to hear more about it in the
coming days. Here's a preview on what surely must be one of the most
bizarre happenings in the long history of Congressional oddities...
It occurred on March 23, 2004 when Reverend Sun Myung Moon, cultist
leader of the Unification Church (currently known as The Family
Federation for World Peace and Unification), was crowned "King of
Peace" in a coronation ceremony. In his coronation speech, Moon told
the audience that it was now time to officially recognize him as the
returned Messiah.
LINKS:
Moon Crowned in the Capital, [Unification Church] Sun Myung Moon
Crowned 'King Of America' At U.S. Senate Building, Hail to the Moon
king, Moon Over Washington, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah By
Congressmen, Sun Myung Moon crowned as Messiah by U.S. Senate! Moonie
leader 'crowned' in Senate, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah! U.S.
Lawmakers Crown rev. Sun Myung Moon Messiah! Here's a guy the
Republicans don't want us to know about. (Actually, it was a democrat
conservative, to the great relief of republican conservatives, who
placed the crown on Moon, in this hoax ceremony. In Moon's world he
replaces all governments with his Taliban, so Republicans and
Democrats all will be liquidated.
The quaint mass marriage ceremonies of the Moonies has another
significance: these represent thousands upon thousand upon thousands
of members of an organized crime empire, as dedicated as body-bomb
suicide muslims, to the eccentric whims of this visibly insane man.
Moonies surreptitiously swell rallies for rightwing causes, clog the
internet forums with their unshakable propaganda-mongering which
cannot be reasoned with, vote as a block and move across state lines
to do it. They even move across international boundaries to meddle in
politics.

Moonies also collaborate with other organized crime rings for mutal
profit.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Koctopus_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_CFACT.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Seitz.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Stohrer-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Hazeltine-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Sallie_Baliunas.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Walter_Williams_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Richard_S_Lindzen.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/AdTI_Villians.htm
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Pelosi.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Becky_Norton_Dunlop_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Confronting_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Chrispeels.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Idsos.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Fred_Michel.html
.

User: "Michael Marxist Moore"
Title: Liberal Homosexuals Decry Extinction Of China's 'Open-Crotch Pants'.	25 Aug 2004 03:07:42 AM

Liberal Homosexuals Decry Extinction Of China's 'Open-Crotch Pants'.
China 'Open-Crotch Pants' Face Extinction
-------------------------------------------------------------
Mon Sep 15, 2:19 PM ET
By AUDRA ANG, Associated Press Writer
The startlingly revealing "kaidangku" (literally "open-crotch pants")
have made posterior peek-a-boo a common sight in China for decades
rain, shine or, in a specially padded form, snow.
(Remaining content deleted for copyright reasons.)
***
Homosexuals are up in arms about China's decision to ban 'Open-Crotch
Pants', the favorite attire of many homosexuals world wide. One can
see from such behavior that perverted promiscuity is common among all
homosexuals regardless of nationality. Homosexuals remains the No.1
vector of the deadly disease, AIDS in the western world and it easy to
understand why...
.

User: "GWB"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	21 Aug 2004 11:19:47 AM

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:17:18 GMT, "Jim"
<KerrycallsVeteransMurderers@socialist.com> wrote:

"Martin W. Smith" <no.email@this.time> wrote in message
news:724bi09eeihhucchq96gsj7b89rh7ef350@4ax.com...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message

news:<kc69i0ttqg4522lf43u0i7em2puem9efo7@4ax.com>...

saguaro@surfbest.net (Dave Cook) wrote:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

If you had ever been *in* the military

What military were you in?

The US. The one you weren't in.

you would know that one doesn't
make "efforts" to get a medal. Someone nominates you for a medal,
normally your commander.

Martin I am in the military and judging from the statements
from the late Admiral Zumwalt and now over 254 of Kerry's
brothers in arms. Kerry was making "efforts" to get medals.
Didn't it ever strike you odd that of all who served in Vietnam,
Kerry in only 4 months.....bronze, silver, 3 purple hearts which
triggered a get out of Vietnam free clause.

Gosh, since the medals were free, why didn't EVERYONE do it?
Was everyone who was awarded a medal in Vietnam jsu cowardly trying to
sneak home?
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	21 Aug 2004 03:16:01 PM

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:17:18 GMT, "Jim"
<KerrycallsVeteransMurderers@socialist.com> wrote:

As the late Admiral Zumwalt remarked on LtJg Kerry
"he is a loose cannon. It seems he's punching a ticket here
for something later on!"

Except of course he's dead and the quote is hearsay. It's convenient
like most of the swiftboat vet BS.
_______
Vote Bush/Voldemort 2004!
.

User: "Al"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	22 Aug 2004 05:55:01 PM

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<724bi09eeihhucchq96gsj7b89rh7ef350@4ax.com>...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<kc69i0ttqg4522lf43u0i7em2puem9efo7@4ax.com>...

saguaro@surfbest.net (Dave Cook) wrote:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

If you had ever been *in* the military

What military were you in?

The US. The one you weren't in.

No kidding? What branch and when so I can thank you accordingly?
.

User: "Martin W. Smith"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	23 Aug 2004 12:45:10 AM

(Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<724bi09eeihhucchq96gsj7b89rh7ef350@4ax.com>...

(Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<kc69i0ttqg4522lf43u0i7em2puem9efo7@4ax.com>...

saguaro@surfbest.net (Dave Cook) wrote:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

If you had ever been *in* the military

What military were you in?

The US. The one you weren't in.

No kidding? What branch and when so I can thank you accordingly?

Air Force. 1972 through 1975.
.

User: "Al"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	23 Aug 2004 11:55:24 AM

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<d21ji0hjqq18o3v0n3t25httevlul7i2ou@4ax.com>...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<724bi09eeihhucchq96gsj7b89rh7ef350@4ax.com>...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<kc69i0ttqg4522lf43u0i7em2puem9efo7@4ax.com>...

saguaro@surfbest.net (Dave Cook) wrote:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

If you had ever been *in* the military

What military were you in?

The US. The one you weren't in.

No kidding? What branch and when so I can thank you accordingly?

Air Force. 1972 through 1975.

That's awesome, thanks for you service? Where were you stationed?
.

User: "Martin W. Smith"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	24 Aug 2004 12:38:19 AM

(Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<d21ji0hjqq18o3v0n3t25httevlul7i2ou@4ax.com>...

(Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<724bi09eeihhucchq96gsj7b89rh7ef350@4ax.com>...

(Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<kc69i0ttqg4522lf43u0i7em2puem9efo7@4ax.com>...

saguaro@surfbest.net (Dave Cook) wrote:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

If you had ever been *in* the military

What military were you in?

The US. The one you weren't in.

No kidding? What branch and when so I can thank you accordingly?

Air Force. 1972 through 1975.

That's awesome, thanks for you service? Where were you stationed?

Ent AFB, Colorado Springs, which is now the Olympic Training Center. I
worked in Cheyenne Mountain, so my military service was about as
undangerous as it could be.
.

User: "Al"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	24 Aug 2004 11:19:13 AM

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<3vkli0l43kkjq08g5jjpe1ta4iq7pi5eq5@4ax.com>...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<d21ji0hjqq18o3v0n3t25httevlul7i2ou@4ax.com>...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<724bi09eeihhucchq96gsj7b89rh7ef350@4ax.com>...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote:

Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote in message news:<kc69i0ttqg4522lf43u0i7em2puem9efo7@4ax.com>...

saguaro@surfbest.net (Dave Cook) wrote:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

If you had ever been *in* the military

What military were you in?

The US. The one you weren't in.

No kidding? What branch and when so I can thank you accordingly?

Air Force. 1972 through 1975.

That's awesome, thanks for you service? Where were you stationed?

Ent AFB, Colorado Springs, which is now the Olympic Training Center. I
worked in Cheyenne Mountain, so my military service was about as
undangerous as it could be.

Naturally, it's the service to the country that is important/necessary
and worthy of thanks - Thank you. If we didn't have volunteers, we'd
have to have a draft.
.

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:29:56 AM

On 19 Aug 2004 12:09:44 -0700,

(Al) wrote:

What military were you in?

One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause the bullets were flying
around that day. He didn't refuse the medal then, he didn't correct
the reports then. Either lied to the military to keep the medal or he
lied in the ads. Either way he is a liar.
5 boats went out, 5 officers on them. One came back with a hole in it
to explain.
The SwiftLiars gave their reports on the day of the incident. Kerry
towed one disabled craft home so we know they arrived at base
together. If they LIED THAT DAY, that is the lie they are stuck with.
If they TOLD THE TRUTH THAT DAY then they lied in their ads. Either
way you have liars. Look at their records first. What did they say on
the day they made their reports.
Why aren't they releasing their records?
We have established these are FELONY FRAUD LIARS. Now look at the
records of everybody else involved in this FELONY FRAUD. Look at
Merrie Spaeth whose thankfully dead husband, Tex Lezar, ran on the
same ticket that got GWB the governors mansion in Texas. This guy's
name is on a NCPA list on the internet with six known organized crime
felon's who specialize in FRAUD of the body politic. Don't know who
Spaeth is? She was a 'Monica', a whitehouse fellow, in the same
building where Nancy Reagan used to sneak off to the Lincoln bedroom
with Frank Sinatra. She also is the organizer of the first wave of
publicity for these FELONY FRAUD SWIFT BOAT ORGANIZED CRIME OPERATORS.
Demand Spaeth's records. Demand Lezar's records. Demand the
Lezar-Spaeth crime family friend's records.
There's a whole lot of records that Bob Perry is going to be
producing. Every federal and state agency will be on him like stink on
*****, making him produce records. You don't fund a CRIME OPERATION and
walk into the sunset whistling Dixie. Spaeth, and all, did a hatchet
job on McCain and robbed the republican party of his candidacy, but
they tangled with tougher meat than they know how to chew now.
Demand Bob Perry's records.
You want records. I'll release records. Read 'em and weep... Your
whole stinking organized crime network laid out so that even dumbfuk
jurors can follow without any shadow of a doubt.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Koctopus_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_CFACT.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Seitz.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Stohrer-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Hazeltine-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Sallie_Baliunas.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Walter_Williams_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Richard_S_Lindzen.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/AdTI_Villians.htm
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Pelosi.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Becky_Norton_Dunlop_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Confronting_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Chrispeels.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Idsos.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Fred_Michel.html
.

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 12:29:40 AM

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:15:53 +0200, Martin W. Smith
<no.email@this.time> wrote:

saguaro@surfbest.net (Dave Cook) wrote:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

If you had ever been *in* the military you would know that one doesn't
make "efforts" to get a medal. Someone nominates you for a medal,
normally your commander.

User: "Douglas Berry"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 09:53:17 AM

In our last thrilling episode,

(Dave Cook) was
pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on 19 Aug 2004 05:09:54 -0700 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

These "newly obtained records" were "found" by someone after almost 40
years, and probably can be traced back to Kerry"s efforts to get a
bronze medal.

It's a Bronze Star. And you get one because someone nominates you for
one based on your observed performance.

Kerry is demanding to be made president on the basis of spending four
months in Vietnam 35 years ago.

Actually, he's asking the American people to vote for him based on the
whole package. Which includes his military service, time as an
activist, working as a prosecuting attorney, election as the
Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, then 20 years of service in the
United States Senate.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.

User: "The True AntiLiberal"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 01:51:24 PM

Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>

Kerry is demanding to be made president on the basis of spending four
months in Vietnam 35 years ago.

Actually, he's asking the American people to vote for him based on the
whole package. ...20 years of service in the
United States Senate.

Why doesn't Kerry talk about his 20 years in the Senate? What is his
most outstanding achievement/acomplishment?
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/
Vietnam:
"John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam. His leadership, courage,
and sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V,
and three Purple Hearts. In Vietnam, John Kerry saw the lives of his
fellow soldiers put at risk because some leaders in Washington were
making bad decisions."
Senator:
"John Kerry was elected Lieutenant Governor in 1982. Two years later,
he was elected to the United States Senate and has won reelection
three-times since. In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our
economy, improve public education, make health care more affordable,
and protect our environment. And during his 19 years on the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, he has distinguished himself as one of
our nation's most respected voices on national security and
international affairs."
Kerry's action as a Senator:
"In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our economy, improve
public education, make health care more affordable, and protect our
environment."
Notice the EXCLUSION of:
1. fought to stengthen the defense of the USA
2. improve the defense of the USA
3. DO anything to protect the USA
.

User: "adric"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 05:48:19 PM

(The True AntiLiberal) wrote in message news:<1f3b80af.0408191051.314a5459@posting.google.com>...

Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>

Kerry is demanding to be made president on the basis of spending four
months in Vietnam 35 years ago.

Actually, he's asking the American people to vote for him based on the
whole package. ...20 years of service in the
United States Senate.

Why doesn't Kerry talk about his 20 years in the Senate? What is his
most outstanding achievement/acomplishment?

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

Vietnam:
"John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam. His leadership, courage,
and sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V,
and three Purple Hearts. In Vietnam, John Kerry saw the lives of his
fellow soldiers put at risk because some leaders in Washington were
making bad decisions."

Senator:
"John Kerry was elected Lieutenant Governor in 1982. Two years later,
he was elected to the United States Senate and has won reelection
three-times since. In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our
economy, improve public education, make health care more affordable,
and protect our environment. And during his 19 years on the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, he has distinguished himself as one of
our nation's most respected voices on national security and
international affairs."

Kerry's action as a Senator:

"In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our economy, improve
public education, make health care more affordable, and protect our
environment."

Notice the EXCLUSION of:
1. fought to stengthen the defense of the USA
2. improve the defense of the USA
3. DO anything to protect the USA

And so the VERY next sentence is chopped liver?:
"And during his 19 years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he
has distinguished himself as one of our nation's most respected voices
on national security and international affairs"
So, examples please! Which actions/votes in the Senate or on the
Senate Foreign Relations comittee are you referring to? Let's discuss
specifics - or do you have any? Or do you consider the domestic
economy, public education, affordable health care, and the environment
(any or all of them) as trivial issues?
.

User: "The True AntiLiberal"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	19 Aug 2004 10:31:17 PM

(adric) wrote in message news:<1ec92748.0408191448.b9c40b5@posting.google.com>...

thetrueantiliberal@yahoo.com (The True AntiLiberal) wrote in message news:<1f3b80af.0408191051.314a5459@posting.google.com>...

Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>

Kerry is demanding to be made president on the basis of spending four
months in Vietnam 35 years ago.

Actually, he's asking the American people to vote for him based on the
whole package. ...20 years of service in the
United States Senate.

Why doesn't Kerry talk about his 20 years in the Senate? What is his
most outstanding achievement/acomplishment?

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

Vietnam:
"John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam. His leadership, courage,
and sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V,
and three Purple Hearts. In Vietnam, John Kerry saw the lives of his
fellow soldiers put at risk because some leaders in Washington were
making bad decisions."

Senator:
"John Kerry was elected Lieutenant Governor in 1982. Two years later,
he was elected to the United States Senate and has won reelection
three-times since. In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our
economy, improve public education, make health care more affordable,
and protect our environment. And during his 19 years on the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, he has distinguished himself as one of
our nation's most respected voices on national security and
international affairs."

Kerry's action as a Senator:

"In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our economy, improve
public education, make health care more affordable, and protect our
environment."

Notice the EXCLUSION of:
1. fought to stengthen the defense of the USA
2. improve the defense of the USA
3. DO anything to protect the USA

His 19 years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee DOING WHAT?
Distinguished himself HOW? Respected by WHO? French and German
politicians?
Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security and since the country is at war I would expect any Senator to
highlight those accomplishments.
The only notable one he hasn't mentioned is that he supported the
wrong side in Nicaragua and lied about Cambodia defending that
position.
.

User: "adric"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 07:23:23 PM

(The True AntiLiberal) wrote in message news:<1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>...

musicman1122@yahoo.com (adric) wrote in message news:<1ec92748.0408191448.b9c40b5@posting.google.com>...

(The True AntiLiberal) wrote in message news:<1f3b80af.0408191051.314a5459@posting.google.com>...

Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>

Kerry is demanding to be made president on the basis of spending four
months in Vietnam 35 years ago.

Actually, he's asking the American people to vote for him based on the
whole package. ...20 years of service in the
United States Senate.

Why doesn't Kerry talk about his 20 years in the Senate? What is his
most outstanding achievement/acomplishment?

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/

Vietnam:
"John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam. His leadership, courage,
and sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V,
and three Purple Hearts. In Vietnam, John Kerry saw the lives of his
fellow soldiers put at risk because some leaders in Washington were
making bad decisions."

Senator:
"John Kerry was elected Lieutenant Governor in 1982. Two years later,
he was elected to the United States Senate and has won reelection
three-times since. In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our
economy, improve public education, make health care more affordable,
and protect our environment. And during his 19 years on the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, he has distinguished himself as one of
our nation's most respected voices on national security and
international affairs."

Kerry's action as a Senator:

"In the Senate, John Kerry fought to strengthen our economy, improve
public education, make health care more affordable, and protect our
environment."

Notice the EXCLUSION of:
1. fought to stengthen the defense of the USA
2. improve the defense of the USA
3. DO anything to protect the USA

His 19 years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee DOING WHAT?
Distinguished himself HOW? Respected by WHO? French and German
politicians?

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security and since the country is at war I would expect any Senator to
highlight those accomplishments.

The only notable one he hasn't mentioned is that he supported the
wrong side in Nicaragua and lied about Cambodia defending that
position.

Ok, throw it back in my lap to cite example - fine, I'll make it easy
for you. First of all - to say that garnering an agreement for talks
from the Sandanistas is being 'on the wrong side' - REGARDLESS of YOUR
opinion of Castro and whether you think Nicaragua would have become a
communist nation - is saying that you support the slaughter of TENS of
thousands of civilians at the hands of US backed 'rebels'. Not to
mention that today, Nicaragua is the second poorest nation in this
hemisphere and is overrun with malnutrition - 60% of Nicaraguan
children are afflicted with anemia. So, would you say the US did a
good thing here? Good job Gipper!
But lets talk about Kerry: a quote from
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921192.html -
"His 1986 investigation into charges that the Reagan administration
was illegally sending aid to Nicaragua's contras helped lay the
groundwork for the Iran-contra investigations. He also spearheaded the
investigation of Panamanian general Manuel Noriega's drug trafficking
and money-laundering through the Bank of Credit and Commerce
International. In 1991, he served as chairman of a Senate Select
Committee that investigated Vietnam POWs and MIAs, a highly emotional
issue and thankless task, as many POW/MIA groups understandably did
not want to put the issue to rest. In 1995, these efforts helped lead
to the normalization of relations with Vietnam."
Any questions?
.

User: "Lloyd Parker"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 05:56:03 AM

In article <1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>,

(The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security

Yes he does.

and since the country is at war

No we aren't. See Article I of the constitution.

I would expect any Senator to
highlight those accomplishments.

The only notable one he hasn't mentioned is that he supported the
wrong side in Nicaragua and lied about Cambodia defending that
position.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?
.

User: "Al"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 01:42:18 PM

(Lloyd Parker) wrote in message news:<cg53c3$lns$11@puck.cc.emory.edu>...

In article <1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>,
thetrueantiliberal@yahoo.com (The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security

Yes he does.

and since the country is at war

No we aren't. See Article I of the constitution.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?

Clinton instituted a policy of regime change in Iraq in 1998. Does
that make it a good policy now?
.

User: "adric"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 06:53:15 PM

(Al) wrote in message news:<3965eb5d.0408201042.280c3e07@posting.google.com>...

lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote in message news:<cg53c3$lns$11@puck.cc.emory.edu>...

In article <1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>,
thetrueantiliberal@yahoo.com (The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security

Yes he does.

and since the country is at war

No we aren't. See Article I of the constitution.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?

Clinton instituted a policy of regime change in Iraq in 1998. Does
that make it a good policy now?

Not by territorial invasion he didn't - THAT'S the issue. You're not
going to find too many people who seriously disagree that Saddam
should have gone - the issue is how and when to do it. This ain't the
way - unless your idea of success is over 900 dead Americans and over
10,000 Iraqi civilians dead (and yes, I am aware that that number
includes civilians who acted violently against US troops).
.

User: "vinpo"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 07:44:12 PM

adric <musicman1122@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1ec92748.0408201553.177f8609@posting.google.com...

caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al) wrote in message

news:<3965eb5d.0408201042.280c3e07@posting.google.com>...

lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote in message

news:<cg53c3$lns$11@puck.cc.emory.edu>...

In article <1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>,
thetrueantiliberal@yahoo.com (The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security

Yes he does.

and since the country is at war

No we aren't. See Article I of the constitution.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?

Clinton instituted a policy of regime change in Iraq in 1998. Does
that make it a good policy now?

Not by territorial invasion he didn't - THAT'S the issue. You're not
going to find too many people who seriously disagree that Saddam
should have gone

just like you couldn't find many people PRIOR the invasion who believed SH
did NOT have WMD's.
revisionist history aside
whit
- the issue is how and when to do it. This ain't the

way - unless your idea of success is over 900 dead Americans and over
10,000 Iraqi civilians dead (and yes, I am aware that that number
includes civilians who acted violently against US troops).

User: "Lloyd Parker"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 01:10:52 PM

In article <3965eb5d.0408201042.280c3e07@posting.google.com>,

(Al) wrote:

lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote in message

news:<cg53c3$lns$11@puck.cc.emory.edu>...

In article <1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>,
thetrueantiliberal@yahoo.com (The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security

Yes he does.

and since the country is at war

No we aren't. See Article I of the constitution.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?

Clinton instituted a policy of regime change in Iraq in 1998. Does
that make it a good policy now?

No, he said we should have regime change. That's different from invading
another country, or supporting a guerilla movement (both things we condemned
the Soviets for doing during the Cold War).
.

User: "The True AntiLiberal"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 03:42:48 PM

(Lloyd Parker) wrote in message news:<cg53c3$lns$11@puck.cc.emory.edu>...

In article <1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>,
thetrueantiliberal@yahoo.com (The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security

Yes he does.

WHERE!

and since the country is at war

No we aren't. See Article I of the constitution.

Try looking at where the World Trade Center used to stand.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?

Like the US overthrowing France in WW2, the Taliban in Afghanistan?
Speaking of Nicaragua...
You mean the country that voted out the Sandanistas, the ones Kerry
made kissy face with?
.

User: "Lloyd Parker"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	20 Aug 2004 01:02:47 PM

In article <1f3b80af.0408201242.2a65109f@posting.google.com>,

(The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote in message

news:<cg53c3$lns$11@puck.cc.emory.edu>...

In article <1f3b80af.0408191931.7c344df6@posting.google.com>,

(The True AntiLiberal) wrote:

Kerry is the one who doesn't quote any specifics about national
security

Yes he does.

WHERE!

www.JohnKerry.com

and since the country is at war

No we aren't. See Article I of the constitution.

Try looking at where the World Trade Center used to stand.

The constitution provides for only one way for the US to be "at war." Try
reading it.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?

Like the US overthrowing France in WW2, the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Which we did openly, not by supporting a guerilla group. We got all upset
when the Soviets supported guerilla movements, yet we did the same thing.

Speaking of Nicaragua...
You mean the country that voted out the Sandanistas, the ones Kerry
made kissy face with?

Voted them out, voted them in. You'll note they didn't vote any of the
contras in.
.

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	21 Aug 2004 03:47:07 AM

On Fri, 20 Aug 04 10:56:03 GMT,

(Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

The only notable one he hasn't mentioned is that he supported the
wrong side in Nicaragua and lied about Cambodia defending that
position.

So trying to overthrow a government is good US policy?

Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
*** George W. Bush - Closely tied to Merrie Spaeth's husband Tex
Lezar, benefitted from Bob Perry money, linked to Karl Rove, to
Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, to Regnery publishing, to Harlan Crow
http://tinyurl.com/4uc37 http://tinyurl.com/54lqw
http://tinyurl.com/6j2gd
*** Karl Rove - Closely linked to GW Bush, to Merrie Spaeth, to John
O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
http://tinyurl.com/5gbbd http://tinyurl.com/5qcb2
http://tinyurl.com/6ocdy http://tinyurl.com/69vjn
http://tinyurl.com/5l2ee
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies
http://tinyurl.com/64v3c http://tinyurl.com/63zvu
http://tinyurl.com/43fek
*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery http://tinyurl.com/4vrwq http://tinyurl.com/496xl
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board, http://tinyurl.com/5afl5 http://tinyurl.com/6l7vn
http://tinyurl.com/57oc8
*** Bob J. Perry (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, Rove, Crow
http://tinyurl.com/3oggt http://tinyurl.com/6kaso
*** Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, (SwillBoat Ad maker) Linked to
republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns
http://tinyurl.com/5z7dd http://tinyurl.com/6g7fc
http://tinyurl.com/55f4r http://tinyurl.com/5uwlw
http://tinyurl.com/5nmv7 http://tinyurl.com/6xnut
*** Regnery, a conservative company linked to Richard Mellon Scaife
who manipulates best-seller book list rankings, to Ken Starr, to Corsi
and O'Neill http://tinyurl.com/5qw2n http://tinyurl.com/4zvy2
http://tinyurl.com/6vbpf http://tinyurl.com/5szod
http://tinyurl.com/4ycqd
*** Jerome R. Corsi Linked to Richard Scaife, to O'Neill, to Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/5a83u http://tinyurl.com/5l66z
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://tinyurl.com/4zkmo
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz
*** Dr. Louis Letson http://tinyurl.com/3sf73
http://tinyurl.com/5atvt
*** William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral
http://tinyurl.com/3wttr http://tinyurl.com/65xuf
*** Larry Thurlow, who said his boat was 50 to 60 yards from Mr.
Kerry's. http://tinyurl.com/5m4dc http://tinyurl.com/6fyu4
http://tinyurl.com/5mhcw
The felony fraud organized crime ring is further connected to other
organiced crime fraud operations:
### Richard Mellon Scaife <http://tinyurl.com/5vdpe> is trumpetting it
from his publications. Scaife is historically linked to several of the
felons in the SwiftLiars crime ring. Scaife also funds a broad
coalition of websites and front organizations which are also promoting
this felony conspiracy though their own fraud crime operations:
*** Heritage Foundation, $20,696,640 (Townhall.com)
http://tinyurl.com/6ng83 Google.com Results 6,000 for "Heritage
Foundation" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
$5,201,000 http://tinyurl.com/68tqj Google.com Results 1,750 for
"American Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Spectator Educational Foundation, Inc. $4,144,000
http://tinyurl.com/3n92j Google.com Results 1,920 for "American
Spectator" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Accuracy in Media, Inc. $3,225,000 http://tinyurl.com/3tg26
Google.com Results 2,880 for "Accuracy in Media" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation $2,335,000
http://tinyurl.com/53kxs Google.com Results about 2,590 for "Citizens
for a Sound Economy" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Cato Institute $1,872,500 http://tinyurl.com/6jrt7 Google.com
Results 1,920 for "Cato Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Policy Analysis $1,760,000
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhy Google.com Results 2,550 for "National Center
for Policy Analysis" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Independent Women's Forum $1,600,000 http://tinyurl.com/4j9ae
Google.com Results 2,670 for "Independent Women's Forum" Swift boat OR
Boats.
*** Competitive Enterprise Institute $1,525,000
http://tinyurl.com/585fn Google.com Results 2,550 for "Competitive
Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Legislative Exchange Council $1,495,000
http://tinyurl.com/5kuo9 Google.com Results 2,480 for "American
Legislative Exchange Council" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Defenders of Property Rights $965,000 http://tinyurl.com/4l3gc
Google.com Results 2,440 for "Defenders of Property Rights" Swift boat
OR Boats.
*** Media Research Center, Inc. $952,000 http://tinyurl.com/46hys
Google.com Results 5,240 for "Media Research Center" Swift boat OR
Boats.
*** Institute for Humane Studies $950,000 http://tinyurl.com/3w7b3
Google.com Results 2,450 for "Institute for Humane Studies" Swift boat
OR Boats.
*** National Center for Public Policy Research, Inc. $825,000
http://tinyurl.com/59wll Google.com 2,610 for "National Center for
Public Policy Research" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Institute $645,000 http://tinyurl.com/6s7b4 Google.com
Results 1,200 for "Media Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Acton Institute For The Study of Religion and Liberty $565,000
http://tinyurl.com/6h98g Google.com Results 2,470 for "Acton
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
### Sun Myung Moon is another felony fraud conspirator using his
organized crime operation to advance his candidate who has a bilnd eye
to Moon's crimes. The WASHINGTON TIMES and UPI wireservice is Moonie
front operations. <http://tinyurl.com/6nlt9>
*** http://tinyurl.com/55jrw Results 42,600 for "Washington Times"
Swift boat OR Boats.
.

User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	21 Aug 2004 03:46:45 AM

On 19 Aug 2004 20:31:17 -0700,

(The True
AntiLiberal) wrote:

User: "The True AntiLiberal"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	22 Aug 2004 12:13:47 PM

Psalm 110 <Lying_Republicans@Go_to_Hell.org> wrote in message news:<1t2ei05innnol7ht648rhjg1kmafqhvalt@4ax.com>...

On 19 Aug 2004 20:31:17 -0700,

(The True
AntiLiberal) wrote:

Exposing more <snip>

http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/selloutscript.html
John Kerry: "They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off
heads. . ."
Joe Ponder: "The accusations that John Kerry made against the veterans
who served in Vietnam was just devastating."
John Kerry: ". . . randomly shot at civilians. . ."
Joe Ponder: "It hurt me more than any physical wounds I had."
John Kerry: ". . . cut off limbs, blown up bodies. . ."
Ken Cordier: "That was part of the torture, was, uh, to sign a
statement that you had committed war crimes."
John Kerry: ". . . razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Ghengis
Khan. . ."
Paul Gallanti: "John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I, and many of
my, uh, comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, uh, took
torture to avoid saying. It demoralized us."
John Kerry: ". . . crimes committed on a day to day basis. . . "
Ken Cordier: "He betrayed us in the past, how could we be loyal to him
now?"
John Kerry: ". . . ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."
Paul Gallanti: "He dishonored his country, and, uh, more, more
importantly the people he served with. He just sold them out."
Announcer : "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is responsible for the
content of this advertisement."
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User: "Psalm 110"
Title: Re: Smearboat Liars Caught In Own Lies, According to Navy Records	22 Aug 2004 07:34:50 PM

On 22 Aug 2004 10:13:47 -0700,

(The True
AntiLiberal) wrote:
Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections
LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/4yeu7 Kerry also picked up support from Wayne D.
Langhofer, who told The Washington Post he was manning a machine gun
in a boat behind Kerry's and saw firing from both banks of a river as
Kerry dived in to rescue Special Forces soldier James Rassmann, the
basis for Kerry's Bronze Star.
** http://tinyurl.com/639as SwiftLie vet working to help re-elect
incumbent president George W. Bush resigned
** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
"Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
-- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
veterans steering committee.
** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."
NEWS - August 21, 2004
**
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4fyem Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete And Flawed
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821