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"J Young" |
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21 Nov 2005 04:40:34 AM |
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Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR2005112000507.html
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
DENVER -- His rescuers credited snowboarder John Ryan with doing all the
right things to survive three days lost in the mountains outside a ski
resort area, but he doubts he would have made it through another night.
"I did a lot of praying up there, praying that I would see my family again,"
Ryan, 31, said Sunday in a telephone interview from his bed at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. "I had no idea exactly where
I was."
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 10:38:46 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> suddenly spluttered:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
He doesn't believe in rescuers then.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 02:53:15 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
I'm sure many of the people who didn't get saved after becoming
lost in the woods also prayed. Were they wrong?
Elf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 06:30:51 PM |
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Let us pray that omareno el moron aka Stain de STD will get lost.
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| User: "DCI" |
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21 Nov 2005 07:08:25 PM |
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On 21 Nov 2005 10:30:51 -0800, wrote:
Let us pray that omareno el moron aka Stain de STD will get lost.
As are you.
DCI
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| User: "" |
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21 Nov 2005 07:18:35 PM |
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DCI wrote:
hc23hc wrote:
Let us pray that omareno el moron aka Stain de STD will get lost.
As are you.
DCI
Hey, DCI... aren't you glad you finally woke up today ?
No ? Tough luck.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 11:34:57 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:9sKdncSErvzUzRzeRVn-tA@giganews.com:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
Except it was skiers who actually rescued him. Why doesn't he give credit
where credit is due.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 05:34:13 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9sKdncSErvzUzRzeRVn-tA@giganews.com...
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR2005112000507.html
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
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He used pine boughs to build a snow fort for shelter. More snow fell over
the next two days and temperatures fell into the low teens, and he didn't
have the energy to try to wade through the snow.
On Friday, he heard snowmobiles and sirens in the distance, and saw a search
helicopter.
Saturday morning, he tried walking out again but only made it 20 feet before
returning to his fort. He heard nothing and feared rescuers had given up on
him.
"I didn't know the length of time someone could live (in such conditions).
So I didn't know if they would give up."
Later Saturday, he heard shouts and he called out.
"We were just skiing down and happened upon him," Benjamin Yolda told the
Daily Times-Call of Longmont. "He was happy to see us. I thought a tree had
fallen on him, because he had popped his head out from all these branches."
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Sounds like a real dufus. Also sounds like he was saved by a couple of
skiers. Imagine that, being saved by skiers on a ski mountain - it's a
miracle!
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| User: "" |
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21 Nov 2005 06:21:43 AM |
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On 21-Nov-2005, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote:
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
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He used pine boughs to build a snow fort for shelter. More snow fell over
the next two days and temperatures fell into the low teens, and he didn't
have the energy to try to wade through the snow.
On Friday, he heard snowmobiles and sirens in the distance, and saw a
search
helicopter.
Saturday morning, he tried walking out again but only made it 20 feet
before
returning to his fort. He heard nothing and feared rescuers had given up
on
him.
"I didn't know the length of time someone could live (in such conditions).
So I didn't know if they would give up."
Later Saturday, he heard shouts and he called out.
"We were just skiing down and happened upon him," Benjamin Yolda told the
Daily Times-Call of Longmont. "He was happy to see us. I thought a tree
had
fallen on him, because he had popped his head out from all these
branches."
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Sounds like a real dufus. Also sounds like he was saved by a couple of
skiers. Imagine that, being saved by skiers on a ski mountain - it's a
miracle!
Yes, I don't understand how he didn't help himself get saved on Friday.
If he could hear them, surely they could have heard *him*??
Susan
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 11:01:17 PM |
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on 20 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dale
(dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Sounds like a real dufus. Also sounds like he was saved by a couple
of skiers. Imagine that, being saved by skiers on a ski mountain -
it's a miracle!
Yup, if not for them, all he'd have would be his prayers, and his death.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Today's example of Christian Love:
"This is the anger and low class I was speaking of. It's funny how angry
and without moral atheist are wile pretending to have a humanist type
side... It's a facade... Madaline Murry Ohare atleast (sic) admitted to
being a hatefilled (sic) *****! -- Douglas
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 08:34:24 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9sKdncSErvzUzRzeRVn-tA@giganews.com...
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR2005112000507.html
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
DENVER -- His rescuers credited snowboarder John Ryan with doing all the
right things to survive three days lost in the mountains outside a ski
resort area,
So the people who know about such things credited *him* with doing some
intelligent things. A reasonable guess is that his training kicked in.
... but he doubts he would have made it through another night.
Not discounting divine inspiration necessarily, but Mr. Ryan apparently
followed the adage that "God helps those who help themselves."
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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21 Nov 2005 11:02:37 PM |
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on 21 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet The Pervert
(pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
DENVER -- His rescuers credited snowboarder John Ryan with doing all
the right things to survive three days lost in the mountains outside
a ski resort area,
So the people who know about such things credited *him* with doing
some intelligent things. A reasonable guess is that his training
kicked in.
Snowboarders - training... naaawwwww!
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Today's example of Christian Love:
"This is the anger and low class I was speaking of. It's funny how angry
and without moral atheist are wile pretending to have a humanist type
side... It's a facade... Madaline Murry Ohare atleast (sic) admitted to
being a hatefilled (sic) *****! -- Douglas
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
22 Nov 2005 02:49:08 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97159952DDAF3vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 21 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet The Pervert
(pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
DENVER -- His rescuers credited snowboarder John Ryan with doing all
the right things to survive three days lost in the mountains outside
a ski resort area,
So the people who know about such things credited *him* with doing
some intelligent things. A reasonable guess is that his training
kicked in.
Snowboarders - training... naaawwwww!
True. I was hoping that being an outdoorsman, he would have had some kind
of ancillary training in basic survival skills or first aid.
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
21 Nov 2005 05:53:17 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9sKdncSErvzUzRzeRVn-tA@giganews.com...
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR2005112000507.html
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
<snip>
Sound like an 'Islamo/Christian in a Foxhole'
No good to man or beast!
'Jebus, Jebus, I don't wana die, call for a Wambulance!'
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| User: "Mark Stahl" |
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| Title: Re: Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost |
22 Nov 2005 05:49:50 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9sKdncSErvzUzRzeRVn-tA@giganews.com...
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
Umm, no. Not according to your own post....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR2005112000507.html
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
DENVER -- His rescuers
.....He had rescuers. No gods involved.
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| User: "Bear" |
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21 Nov 2005 04:54:46 AM |
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"J Young" wrote
: He thought only God could save him. He was right.
Save him from going to heaven early?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "News Post" |
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21 Nov 2005 02:43:28 PM |
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Bear wrote:
"J Young" wrote
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
Save him from going to heaven early?
Most Christians don't want to die .. Christians usually want to live
forever.
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| User: "Nick J." |
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23 Nov 2005 08:06:34 AM |
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News Post wrote:
Bear wrote:
"J Young" wrote
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
Save him from going to heaven early?
Most Christians don't want to die .. Christians usually want to live
forever.
And most Christians believe that after you die in *this* life, you go
on to an *afterlife*, heaven if you believe in Jesus, hell if you
don't. So if the guy was a good Christian, why was he so worried about
dying in *this* life? Supposedly, he is all set for heaven, right?
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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21 Nov 2005 02:51:32 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, J Young poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
Pure speculation. There is no mention in the article of which god he
prayed to, or that he tried more than one god.
Regards,
Josef
Besides learning to see, there is another art to be learned: not to see
what is not.
-- Maria Mitchell
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| User: "johac" |
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23 Nov 2005 07:31:42 AM |
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In article <9sKdncSErvzUzRzeRVn-tA@giganews.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR200511200050
7.html
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
DENVER -- His rescuers credited snowboarder John Ryan with doing all the
right things to survive three days lost in the mountains outside a ski
resort area, but he doubts he would have made it through another night.
"I did a lot of praying up there, praying that I would see my family again,"
Ryan, 31, said Sunday in a telephone interview from his bed at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. "I had no idea exactly where
I was."
It seems that his "doing all the right things" had more to do with
saving him than the intervention of a supernatural power.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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21 Nov 2005 11:25:59 AM |
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J Young wrote:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR2005112000507.html
Snowboarder Says He Prayed While Lost
DENVER -- His rescuers credited snowboarder John Ryan with doing all the
right things to survive three days lost in the mountains outside a ski
resort area, but he doubts he would have made it through another night.
"I did a lot of praying up there, praying that I would see my family again,"
Ryan, 31, said Sunday in a telephone interview from his bed at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. "I had no idea exactly where
I was."
Now I would have been impressed if a big hand would have come out
of the sky to pull the man out of the woods, back to the resort.
RS
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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21 Nov 2005 05:48:02 AM |
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J Young wrote:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
He was a superstitious bonehead.
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| User: "Cmdr Buzz Corey" |
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21 Nov 2005 07:01:28 AM |
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S. Maizlich wrote:
J Young wrote:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
He was a superstitious bonehead.
Well, some will say God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead
the rescuers to him?
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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21 Nov 2005 08:38:06 AM |
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"Cmdr Buzz Corey" <me@that.moc> wrote in message
news:i5adnTQIxqrB_hzenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@gbronline.com...
S. Maizlich wrote:
J Young wrote:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
He was a superstitious bonehead.
Well, some will say God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead
the rescuers to him?
And why did God take so long and make this believer suffer longer?
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| User: "Bear" |
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21 Nov 2005 06:06:32 AM |
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"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote
: S. Maizlich wrote:
: > J Young wrote:
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: >> He thought only God could save him. He was right.
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: > He was a superstitious bonehead.
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: Well, some will say God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead
: the rescuers to him?
But can they provide objective, verifiable evidence for such assertions?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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21 Nov 2005 06:23:33 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote
: S. Maizlich wrote:
: > J Young wrote:
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: >> He thought only God could save him. He was right.
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: > He was a superstitious bonehead.
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: Well, some will say God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead
: the rescuers to him?
But can they provide objective, verifiable evidence for such assertions?
Wow, you ask for a lot, don't you?
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| User: "Bear" |
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21 Nov 2005 06:32:54 AM |
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"S. Maizlich" wrote
: Bear wrote:
: > "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote
: > : S. Maizlich wrote:
: > : > J Young wrote:
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: > : >> He thought only God could save him. He was right.
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: > : > He was a superstitious bonehead.
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: > : Well, some will say God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead
: > : the rescuers to him?
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: > But can they provide objective, verifiable evidence for such assertions?
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: Wow, you ask for a lot, don't you?
No more than you. :-)
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn't a choice or act of will - like theism; it's a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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22 Nov 2005 02:40:05 AM |
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in article FJdgf.3571$wf.2692@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, S. Maizlich
at wrote on 11/21/05 1:23 AM:
Bear wrote:
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote
: S. Maizlich wrote:
: > J Young wrote:
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: >> He thought only God could save him. He was right.
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: > He was a superstitious bonehead.
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: Well, some will say God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead
: the rescuers to him?
But can they provide objective, verifiable evidence for such assertions?
Wow, you ask for a lot, don't you?
Actually, I don't bother to ask God for ANYTHING...
Paul
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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21 Nov 2005 06:22:56 AM |
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Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
S. Maizlich wrote:
J Young wrote:
He thought only God could save him. He was right.
He was a superstitious bonehead.
Well, some will say
....without evidence...
God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead
the rescuers to him?
Why would you think he did?
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| User: "Don Ocean" |
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21 Nov 2005 06:55:09 AM |
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S. Maizlich wrote:
God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead the rescuers to him?
Why would you think he did?
Brings to mind the old story:
Old Jed was apprised that a flood was coming by the local sheriff.
Old Jed said that he would just stay there and God would save him.
The water got up to the bottom of the windows and a couple of Guys in a
Rowboat offered to save him..But no ..He said..God will save me.
The water got up to the roof line and a coastGuard cutter offerd to take
him off..But no...God would save old Jed. The water got to the peak of
the roof and a Helicopter tried to get him to leave..But again no: God
would save him.. Well old Jed drowned...And when he stood before God..He
asked why did you not save me.. I am a true believer. God looked
perplexed and answered... I sent the Sheriff, A rowboat, a CoastGuard
cutter and a Helicopter... What more did you want me to do? ;-)
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| User: "S. Maizlich" |
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21 Nov 2005 03:03:12 PM |
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Don Ocean wrote:
S. Maizlich wrote:
God led those skiers to him, so why didn't he lead the rescuers to him?
Why would you think he did?
Brings to mind the old story:
Old Jed was apprised that a flood was coming by the local sheriff.
Old Jed said that he would just stay there and God would save him.
The water got up to the bottom of the windows and a couple of Guys in a
Rowboat offered to save him..But no ..He said..God will save me.
The water got up to the roof line and a coastGuard cutter offerd to take
him off..But no...God would save old Jed. The water got to the peak of
the roof and a Helicopter tried to get him to leave..But again no: God
would save him.. Well old Jed drowned...And when he stood before God..He
asked why did you not save me.. I am a true believer. God looked
perplexed and answered... I sent the Sheriff, A rowboat, a CoastGuard
cutter and a Helicopter... What more did you want me to do? ;-)
I had heard that before but forgotten it. Thanks for
the refresh!
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