dogna wrote:

Yes, because no fraternalist will address the assertions/issues/ideas
being raised lest they are exposed that they have no valid counter to
the assertions raised.

Many posters here have offered plenty of counters to your assertions.
Not least the facts that you clearly have very little understanding of
even basic economic concepts; that your worldview is based largely on
religious/occult conspiracy theories; and that you are prone to change
position when things are not going your way.

However, a conspiracy theorist you are, and therefore attempting to
discuss matters with you rationally is an exercise in futility. A
conspiracy theory is a 'comfort bubble' from which someone can view a
complex world in simple terms of 'them' and 'us'; 'right' and 'wrong';
'good' and 'evil' - when the stark truth is that life is rarely so black
and white.

But a comfort bubble that works is all but impregnable to challenges
from outside. Whatever reason is directed at the occupant is filtered
by the bubble, just as light is filtered by a polarising lens.
Reasonable disagreement becomes attack; those who question become
conspirators. No Moon hoax conspiracist will ever accept, however much
evidence is provided, or however much their own claims are discredited,
that men really walked on the Moon. The Mars Face advocates will never
accept that the Cydonia anomaly was a rock formation - even were we able
to transport them there and let them look at it for themselves, they
would find reason to discard what they were being shown. The 9/11 radio
controlled aeroplane nuts will never believe that missiles and
explosives were not used to raze the WTC - however self-contradictory
their OWN story is.

And you, dogna, will never accept that money itself is not intrinsically
evil. It is your belief system, however you might protest it as such.
The world you live in is simple, and I doubt any attempt at reasoned
discussion will persuade you to accept otherwise. Certainly simple
abuse will only serve to fuel your conviction that everyone is out to
get you and that only you really know the truth.

Truth is truth. You are paid to deny truth. You are a bought and paid
for liar, protecting/defending/serving monied evil. Your only hope is
to demit/repent from monied sin.

Precisely my point. You are not interested in who I am or what I am,
because in your own mind you already know. You would not recognise me
in a small crowd - yet you feel able to comment on what I do, who pays
me, and why. And why do you feel this? Because your image of me is
filtered through your bubble. I disagree with you, I challenge you,
therefore I am a
fraternalistslashmoniedevilslashpaidliarslashslashslashslashslashslash.

To accept that I might not be these things would crack your bubble, and
let the real world in. That would frighten you, because it would
indicate that you perhaps have NOT got a bead on How Things Are - at
least, not to the degree that you think you have.

Denial is a sickness/disease. Seek help.

A truly ironic instruction from the man in the bubble. You, who
desperately wants to believe that money is evil, that money makes people
evil, presumably so that you do not have to accept that sometimes people
just do evil things.

I propose a FREE/BARTER logistics-based database as a FREE/BARTER
collection/clearinghouse 'entity' tasked with filling need based on
FREE/BARTER requests of/for/by/with FREE in-common and BARTERED
un-common goods/services/wants/needs/desires...'economy'.

I am here to help. Denying FREE help is not wise.

You propose NOTHING - except an idea that you have not thought through.
An idea that is based on misconceptions, misunderstood scripture and
blind optimism. Denying free help is not wise, when that help is worth
something. Wasting valuable time on hopeless pipedreams is also unwise.
I said previously that I respect anyone who thinks about problems and
tries to make things better. And that is still true. But to do so, one
MUST accept the world AS IT IS as one's foundation - not simply state
how one wishes it was and insist that everyone start on the same unsound
basis.

Abuse does not bother me.

Perhaps it should - given that the majority of it is directed towards
your flawed ideas and your insistence on your correctness. It may be
inconceivable to you to accept the possibility that you have
misunderstood - but nevertheless that appears to be the case. Let go of
some of your pride and you may find that you receive less opposition.
No-one is going to complain about someone who advances ideas, accepts
reasoned criticism of them, and uses new information to modify or
replace them. That is the sort of person who DOES make a difference -
who DOES help the human condition. Someone who simply sits there saying
"I'm right, I'm right", and discarding all opposition as 'evil', 'liars'
or 'idiots' helps no-one - least of all himself.

In hell, punishment is measured in degree's.

As I said, that need be of concern only to those who believe in Hell.

Creator/God is. Continue to pay homage to your pagans then. Soon
enough you will see the folly of your choices.

Perhaps. Part of me wishes that I COULD meet your God - if only so that
I can make my contempt for His injustice and His malice clear. After
all, if God is the creator and director of all things then we suffer
because He wills it. It could not be otherwise.

Any respect you claim to show to me is of no import.

Thank you for your honesty. I will attempt to ensure that I do not
waste your time or mine with such meaningless gestures in future.
--
Midjis