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User: "quibbler"
Date: 21 Jun 2005 08:10:47 PM
Object: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag.
Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-donated-
eggs,0,7974031.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
.

User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 21 Jun 2005 08:32:10 PM
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-donated-
eggs,0,7974031.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche

Looks like Nietzsche knew nothing of volcanoes.
LOL!!!!!!!
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 21 Jun 2005 09:57:10 PM
In article <h53ue.119629$CR5.82255@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2268879e61b8c09896b2@news.readfreenews.net...

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-donated-
eggs,0,7974031.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche


Looks like Nietzsche knew nothing of volcanoes.

Looks like you're wrong, not that your idiotic "observation" actually
meant anything anyway. For example in _Thus Spake Zarathustra_ he
wrote, "There is an isle in the sea=3Fnot far from the Happy Isles of
Zarathustra=3Fon which a volcano ever smoketh; of which isle the people,
and especially the old women amongst them, say that it is placed as a
rock before the gate of the nether-world; but that through the volcano
itself the narrow way leadeth downwards which conducteth to this
gate..."

LOL!!!!!!!

You must be maniacally laughing at your own idiocy, because you
obviously had no intelligent point to make. Since when has faith
verifiably moved volcanos any more than mountains. I suppose you
believe that you need to sacrifice a virgin to Pelee to appease her?
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 22 Jun 2005 10:58:15 AM
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2281708eac634f989747@news.readfreenews.net...

In article <h53ue.119629$CR5.82255@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2268879e61b8c09896b2@news.readfreenews.net...

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-donated-
eggs,0,7974031.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche


Looks like Nietzsche knew nothing of volcanoes.


Looks like you're wrong, not that your idiotic "observation" actually
meant anything anyway. For example in _Thus Spake Zarathustra_ he
wrote, "There is an isle in the sea=3Fnot far from the Happy Isles of
Zarathustra=3Fon which a volcano ever smoketh; of which isle the people,
and especially the old women amongst them, say that it is placed as a
rock before the gate of the nether-world; but that through the volcano
itself the narrow way leadeth downwards which conducteth to this
gate..."

LOL!!!!!!!


You must be maniacally laughing at your own idiocy, because you
obviously had no intelligent point to make. Since when has faith
verifiably moved volcanos any more than mountains.

Your ignorance is evident since you do not acknowledge the mountains from
which some volcanoes erupted.

I suppose you
believe that you need to sacrifice a virgin to Pelee to appease her?

To *her*?
Sacrifice a virgin?
What do you do with virgins after their cherry has been voided?
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 22 Jun 2005 01:28:50 PM
In article <3Ofue.124503$lQ3.49881@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2281708eac634f989747@news.readfreenews.net...

In article <h53ue.119629$CR5.82255@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2268879e61b8c09896b2@news.readfreenews.net...

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-donated-
eggs,0,7974031.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche


Looks like Nietzsche knew nothing of volcanoes.


Looks like you're wrong, not that your idiotic "observation" actually
meant anything anyway. For example in _Thus Spake Zarathustra_ he
wrote, "There is an isle in the sea=3Fnot far from the Happy Isles of
Zarathustra=3Fon which a volcano ever smoketh; of which isle the people,
and especially the old women amongst them, say that it is placed as a
rock before the gate of the nether-world; but that through the volcano
itself the narrow way leadeth downwards which conducteth to this
gate..."

LOL!!!!!!!


You must be maniacally laughing at your own idiocy, because you
obviously had no intelligent point to make. Since when has faith
verifiably moved volcanos any more than mountains.


Your ignorance is evident since you do not acknowledge the mountains from
which some volcanoes erupted.

No, fool, I clearly understand that volcanos can help to build mountains
or erupt from them. That has absolutely nothing to do with the original
Nietzsche quote, which was the effects of *FAITH* and the impediments it
creates. Yes, a volcano can create a mountain, but there is no reason
to think that faith is involved. Furthermore, even if faith did cause a
volcano to suddenly emerge, this would confirm Nietzsche's statement
that it "put[s] mountains where there are none". Now why don't you deal
with the claim by Jesus, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
you can say to this mountain,'Move from here to there' and it will
move." This claim of jesus has never been demonstrated to work, but
rather, it has been falsified consistently.

I suppose you
believe that you need to sacrifice a virgin to Pelee to appease her?


To *her*?

I don't expect you to have any sense of humor.

Sacrifice a virgin?

You apparently don't know what to do with a virgin.

What do you do with virgins after their cherry has been voided?

So you think that after the first time they're no good?
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 22 Jun 2005 02:53:44 PM
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <3Ofue.124503$lQ3.49881@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2281708eac634f989747@news.readfreenews.net...

In article <h53ue.119629$CR5.82255@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2268879e61b8c09896b2@news.readfreenews.net...

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-donated-
eggs,0,7974031.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche


Looks like Nietzsche knew nothing of volcanoes.


Looks like you're wrong, not that your idiotic "observation" actually
meant anything anyway. For example in _Thus Spake Zarathustra_ he
wrote, "There is an isle in the sea=3Fnot far from the Happy Isles of
Zarathustra=3Fon which a volcano ever smoketh; of which isle the
people,
and especially the old women amongst them, say that it is placed as a
rock before the gate of the nether-world; but that through the volcano
itself the narrow way leadeth downwards which conducteth to this
gate..."

LOL!!!!!!!


You must be maniacally laughing at your own idiocy, because you
obviously had no intelligent point to make. Since when has faith
verifiably moved volcanos any more than mountains.


Your ignorance is evident since you do not acknowledge the mountains from
which some volcanoes erupted.


No, fool, I clearly understand that volcanos can help to build mountains
or erupt from them. That has absolutely nothing to do with the original
Nietzsche quote, which was the effects of *FAITH* and the impediments it
creates.

Faith creates impediments?
Impediments to what?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, a volcano can create a mountain, but there is no reason
to think that faith is involved.

According to you................
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
"All power is given to me in heaven and earth." Jesus Christ.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Furthermore, even if faith did cause a
volcano to suddenly emerge, this would confirm Nietzsche's statement
that it "put[s] mountains where there are none".

Which would be ok.
Real mountains.
Why are you taking the quote out of the context you say it is in?

Now why don't you deal
with the claim by Jesus, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
you can say to this mountain,'Move from here to there' and it will
move."

I do.

This claim of jesus has never been demonstrated to work, but
rather, it has been falsified consistently.

Your mother or who told you that?
LOL!!!!!!!
Your lack of discernment is evident.

I suppose you
believe that you need to sacrifice a virgin to Pelee to appease her?


To *her*?


I don't expect you to have any sense of humor.

You were trying to be funny?

Sacrifice a virgin?


You apparently don't know what to do with a virgin.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
I know so much more than you know, and those mountains that faith can move
are how far from you?

What do you do with virgins after their cherry has been voided?


So you think that after the first time they're no good?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a stupid question to ask, especially in view of how you act.
I do not subscribe to your ideas.
I guess your question is an indication of how you view women in general.
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 22 Jun 2005 05:37:13 PM
In article <Qdjue.123820$CR5.19629@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


Faith creates impediments?

That's a big 10-4, dumbass. What the ***** do you think he was saying
when he said that faith has "not been able to move *real* mountains",
but it "can put mountains where there are none" Hint: It doesn't have
jack ***** to do with volcanos, otay *****. BTW, modern technology is
far more successful at moving mountains, albeit a piece at a time, than
Jebus has ever been.

Impediments to what?

Faith creates impediments to clear, honest thinking, impediments to
rationality due to special pleadings, impediments to maturity,
impediments responsibility and ethical conduct. It impedes theists'
mental and psychological development, retards their ability to grasp
reality or understand the empirical world as described by science and,
yes, it impedes their reading comprehension, as you have demonstrated by
your lack thereof.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, a volcano can create a mountain, but there is no reason
to think that faith is involved.


According to you................

It's also according to the evidence and according to an honest reading
of the text. The fictional fuckhead Jesus said in Mark 11 that any
given mountain could be "taken up" and "cast into the sea" by the power
of farcical prayers. Volcanos are evidence that Jesus lied, because
many people have prayed to be spared from volcanos and they were utterly
unable to pray these mountains cast into the sea by reciting their
nursery rhymes and other sundry bedtime prayers.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
"All power is given to me in heaven and earth." Jesus Christ.

That makes him a delusional idiot who failed to provide evidence to back
his lies.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You really need some psychiatric help, man.


Furthermore, even if faith did cause a
volcano to suddenly emerge, this would confirm Nietzsche's statement
that it "put[s] mountains where there are none".


Which would be ok.

No, it wouldn't because Nietzsche said it has, " not been
able to move real mountains "

Real mountains.

Nope Nietzsche said it couldn't move real mountains in the quote.
However, jebus promised that he could move real mountains, which is
contradicted by the quote, making jesus a fucking liar. You're just a
bad apologist for those lies.

Why are you taking the quote out of the context you say it is in?

I'm not. There's always a larger context we could select and I'm
quoting it in the same context that many religious people use.


Now why don't you deal
with the claim by Jesus, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
you can say to this mountain,'Move from here to there' and it will
move."


I do.

No you haven't. First off, volcanos don't require faith, one way or the
other. Secondly, Jesus failed to demonstrate his claim and so have all
people who have taken him up on his offer in the last 2000 years.
You're just a dishonest idiot who refused to admit it. Any time you'd
like to demonstrate that you can cause the Himalayas to be transported
from their present location to the middle of Idaho then be my fricken
guest.


This claim of jesus has never been demonstrated to work, but
rather, it has been falsified consistently.


Your mother or who told you that?

OK, you do it right now then, just like Jesus lyingly promised. I will
watch the AP news wire for word that you have moved the Rocky Mountains
into the Atlantic Ocean. If there is no such news in the next 24 hours,
you will have proven yourself and Jesus to be lying sacks of *****.

LOL!!!!!!!
Your lack of discernment is evident.

No, I just have a firm grip on reality, unlike you.


I suppose you
believe that you need to sacrifice a virgin to Pelee to appease her?


To *her*?


I don't expect you to have any sense of humor.


You were trying to be funny?

If you have to ask then you don't have a sense of humor.


Sacrifice a virgin?


You apparently don't know what to do with a virgin.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!
I know so much more than you know,

Not even close, shitwit. I've forgotten more than you'll ever be able to
learn.

and those mountains that faith can move
are how far from you?

Would you like some dressing on that word salad?

What do you do with virgins after their cherry has been voided?


So you think that after the first time they're no good?


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a stupid question to ask

It's rhetorical, you dumbshit.

, especially in view of how you act.

How is that?

I do not subscribe to your ideas.

Which ones?

I guess your question is an indication of how you view women in general.

It indicates that I regard them as human beings unlike the way that
superstitious goat herders in the bible view them.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.
User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 23 Jun 2005 02:14:50 PM
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2395f9c926724898974e@news.readfreenews.net...

In article <Qdjue.123820$CR5.19629@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


Faith creates impediments?


That's a big 10-4, dumbass.

Impediments to what?
Be specific, insult peddler.

What the ***** do you think he was saying
when he said that faith has "not been able to move *real* mountains",
but it "can put mountains where there are none" Hint: It doesn't have
jack ***** to do with volcanos, otay *****. BTW, modern technology is
far more successful at moving mountains, albeit a piece at a time, than
Jebus has ever been.

You think modern technology can rival a Mt. St. Helen's eruption at moving
mass in quantituy as fast?
LOL!!!!!!!
You sure do show people your ignorance.

Impediments to what?


Faith creates impediments to clear, honest thinking, impediments to
rationality due to special pleadings, impediments to maturity,
impediments responsibility and ethical conduct. It impedes theists'
mental and psychological development, retards their ability to grasp
reality or understand the empirical world as described by science and,
yes, it impedes their reading comprehension, as you have demonstrated by
your lack thereof.

It does nothing of the sort you mention.
You are a liar.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, a volcano can create a mountain, but there is no reason
to think that faith is involved.


According to you................


It's also according to the evidence and according to an honest reading
of the text.

You have no idea, obviously.
Your position is based in ignorance.

The fictional fuckhead Jesus

LOL!!!!!!!!!! Guess what. Those are your words.
LOL!!!!!!
You *are* a liar.

said in Mark 11 that any
given mountain could be "taken up" and "cast into the sea" by the power
of farcical prayers.

Care to quote what He said verbatim, liar?

Volcanos are evidence that Jesus lied,

Not even a little.

because
many people have prayed to be spared from volcanos and they were utterly
unable to pray these mountains cast into the sea by reciting their
nursery rhymes and other sundry bedtime prayers.

You never wondered why?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
"All power is given to me in heaven and earth." Jesus Christ.


That makes him a delusional idiot who failed to provide evidence to back
his lies.

So, now you think volcanic eruptions and earthquakes are non-existent
events?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You really need some psychiatric help, man.

You shoould apply your own opinions to yourself.


Furthermore, even if faith did cause a
volcano to suddenly emerge, this would confirm Nietzsche's statement
that it "put[s] mountains where there are none".


Which would be ok.


No, it wouldn't because Nietzsche said it has, " not been
able to move real mountains "

But, you just typed that it would confirm Nietzsche's writings, and then you
disgree qith them.

Real mountains.


Nope Nietzsche said it couldn't move real mountains in the quote.

But you said it would confirm Nietzsche's writing if it did.
LOL!!!!!!
I bet Nietzsche would hate you, too.

However, jebus

Your savior is jebus?

promised that he could move real mountains,

jebus did?
You are utterly ignorant.

which is
contradicted by the quote,

Contradicted by what quote?

making jesus a fucking liar.

Your delusions are apparent.

You're just a
bad apologist for those lies.

I do not apologize.
You, on the other hand should.

Why are you taking the quote out of the context you say it is in?


I'm not.

You did.

There's always a larger context we could select and I'm
quoting it in the same context that many religious people use.

But your handling of it is not in line with Nietzsche or with Jesus.


Now why don't you deal
with the claim by Jesus, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
you can say to this mountain,'Move from here to there' and it will
move."


I do.


No you haven't.

I told you I do.
Your lie is immaterial, irrelvant and without truth.

First off, volcanos don't require faith, one way or the
other.

Who said they did?

Secondly, Jesus failed to demonstrate his claim and so have all
people who have taken him up on his offer in the last 2000 years.

Your proof is where?

You're just a dishonest idiot who refused to admit it.

Not even a little.

Any time you'd
like to demonstrate that you can cause the Himalayas to be transported
from their present location to the middle of Idaho then be my fricken
guest.

Sure thing, but your ignorance is too blatant to do such just so you can be
satisfied, and there really is not sufficent reason to do what you just
mentioned.
Why would anyone want to move the Himalayas to Idaho?
See how stupid you are?


This claim of jesus has never been demonstrated to work, but
rather, it has been falsified consistently.


Your mother or who told you that?


OK, you do it right now then,

Why?
Because you want me to?
LOL!!!!!!!!
Read the passage again, and notice that it said nothing about moving
mountains when you tell someone to do it.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
You just got the jackass of the newsgroup award.

just like Jesus lyingly promised.

Why should I?
You asssert that it is a lie, so I have no responsibility to do it for you.
Doing it against you would be more to my liking.

I will
watch the AP news wire for word that you have moved the Rocky Mountains
into the Atlantic Ocean.

Good. I am glad you will occupy yourself with that task.
Thank you for binding yourself to that activity.

If there is no such news in the next 24 hours,
you will have proven yourself and Jesus to be lying sacks of *****.

Not in the slightest.

LOL!!!!!!!
Your lack of discernment is evident.


No, I just have a firm grip on reality, unlike you.

*****. If you had a firm grip on reality you would understand the
passages instead of acting like someone who doesn't understand them.


I suppose you
believe that you need to sacrifice a virgin to Pelee to appease her?


To *her*?


I don't expect you to have any sense of humor.


You were trying to be funny?


If you have to ask then you don't have a sense of humor.

Your fallacious statement is noted.


Sacrifice a virgin?


You apparently don't know what to do with a virgin.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!
I know so much more than you know,


Not even close, shitwit.

Again, did you mother tell you that?

I've forgotten more than you'll ever be able to
learn.

Forgetful minds like your are not to be trusted.

and those mountains that faith can move
are how far from you?


Would you like some dressing on that word salad?

You're in ELP?

What do you do with virgins after their cherry has been voided?


So you think that after the first time they're no good?


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a stupid question to ask


It's rhetorical, you dumbshit.

It makes you look stupid.

, especially in view of how you act.


How is that?

Like an ignorant, uncaring liar.

I do not subscribe to your ideas.


Which ones?

You want to argue?

I guess your question is an indication of how you view women in general.


It indicates that I regard them as human beings unlike the way that
superstitious goat herders in the bible view them.

It doesn't show me that.
It shows me that you view women worse.
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 23 Jun 2005 08:28:25 PM
In article <3QDue.63$qm.54@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


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In article <Qdjue.123820$CR5.19629@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wxpprofessional@msn.com says...


Faith creates impediments?


That's a big 10-4, dumbass.


Impediments to what?

That's answered below, assfuck. Learn to read.

Be specific, insult peddler.

I stated many specific impediments, dickweed. Try reading next
time.


What the ***** do you think he was saying
when he said that faith has "not been able to move *real* mountains",
but it "can put mountains where there are none" Hint: It doesn't have
jack ***** to do with volcanos, otay *****. BTW, modern technology is
far more successful at moving mountains, albeit a piece at a time, than
Jebus has ever been.


You think modern technology can rival a Mt. St. Helen's eruption at moving
mass in quantituy as fast?

Yes, in theory, many large nuclear devices burrowed into shafts in a
mountain could achieve a similar result. I didn't claim it would be
cheap. But it is possible and it is certainly more than Jesus ever
did in his pathetic life.

LOL!!!!!!!
You sure do show people your ignorance.

No, I showed them your ignorance, since I've backed up my claim and
utterly discredited your assertions to the contrary.

Impediments to what?


Faith creates impediments to clear, honest thinking, impediments to
rationality due to special pleadings, impediments to maturity,
impediments responsibility and ethical conduct. It impedes theists'
mental and psychological development, retards their ability to grasp
reality or understand the empirical world as described by science and,
yes, it impedes their reading comprehension, as you have demonstrated by
your lack thereof.


It does nothing of the sort you mention.

Sure it does. You're likely to be living proof of pretty much all
of these ;).

You are a liar.

Nope. A credible case could be made for all of these.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, a volcano can create a mountain, but there is no reason
to think that faith is involved.


According to you................


It's also according to the evidence and according to an honest reading
of the text.


You have no idea, obviously.

No, what's obvious that I know far more about the subject than you
do.

Your position is based in ignorance.

No, it's based upon the evidence and an honest reading of the text.
Try again, *****-cabbage.


The fictional fuckhead Jesus


LOL!!!!!!!!!! Guess what. Those are your words.

No *****, *****-breath.

LOL!!!!!!
You *are* a liar.

LOL!!!!!!
I haven't told any lies.
LOL!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!LOL!!!...


said in Mark 11 that any
given mountain could be "taken up" and "cast into the sea" by the power
of farcical prayers.


Care to quote what He said verbatim, liar?

I'll certainly quote it, since you're obviously too stupid and
incompetent to look it up. It's almost hard to fathom that you
could be such a moron that you couldn't find this when I gave the
the chapter and the key words.
Here YLT (Don't even ask what YLT means, *****) [Mk 11:23] "for
verily I say to you, that whoever may say to this mountain, Be taken
up, and be cast into the sea, and may not doubt in his heart, but
may believe that the things that he saith do come to pass, it shall
be to him whatever he may say."


Volcanos are evidence that Jesus lied,


Not even a little.

No, the falsify his lying claim. Many people, including saints have
prayed, as Jesus said, in time of volcanic eruptions and yet none of
them have succeeded in getting the volcanos removed or cast into the
sea.


because
many people have prayed to be spared from volcanos and they were utterly
unable to pray these mountains cast into the sea by reciting their
nursery rhymes and other sundry bedtime prayers.


You never wondered why?

It's because Jesus is a lying sack of *****, actually.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
"All power is given to me in heaven and earth." Jesus Christ.


That makes him a delusional idiot who failed to provide evidence to back
his lies.


So, now you think volcanic eruptions and earthquakes are non-existent
events?

No, they exist and this disproves the claims of Jesus. Prayer
cannot stop volcanos from forming or erupting. Jesus said that
prayer could move such mountains, but it doesn't affect them in the
slightest. Jesus did not predict eruptions or earthquakes. He said
that you could cause a specific mountain to be picked up and cast
into the sea and prayer has never verifiably accomplished this even
once in 2000 years.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You really need some psychiatric help, man.


You shoould apply your own opinions to yourself.

Unlike you, I'm quite sane.

Furthermore, even if faith did cause a
volcano to suddenly emerge, this would confirm Nietzsche's statement
that it "put[s] mountains where there are none".


Which would be ok.


No, it wouldn't because Nietzsche said it has, " not been
able to move real mountains "


But, you just typed that it would confirm Nietzsche's writings, and then you
disgree qith them.

It was a hypothetical, idiot. Notice the statement "***if*** faith
did cause a volcano to suddenly emerge". I don't actually believe
faith can do any such thing, which is why I made it a
*HYPOTHETICAL*. It's typical that people of low intellect, such as
yourself obviously, cannot tell the difference between a
hypothetical statement and an actual, non-hypothetical one.


Real mountains.


Nope Nietzsche said it couldn't move real mountains in the quote.


But you said it would confirm Nietzsche's writing if it did.

The key word is "if", stupid *****.

LOL!!!!!!
I bet Nietzsche would hate you, too.

I really don't give a rat's ***** what he would have thought, though I
suspect that he would have agreed with me on a number of important
points.


However, jebus


Your savior is jebus?

Nope, that's your corpse on a stick.

promised that he could move real mountains,


jebus did?

The alteration of the name Jesus to jebus is an intentional sign of
disrespect, inspired by episodes of the "Simpsons". The actual term
Jebus was one of the names given to sectors of Jerusalem. Denizens
there used to be called Jebusites.

You are utterly ignorant.

Nope. I quoted the verse. You're the ignorant one.


which is
contradicted by the quote,


Contradicted by what quote?

The quote from Jesus.


making jesus a fucking liar.


Your delusions are apparent.

There's nothing delusional about it. You're the one who believes in
a magic fairy named Jesus who sacrificed himself to himself to
change a law he made himself and had a kind of bad weekend for our
sins.


You're just a
bad apologist for those lies.


I do not apologize.
You, on the other hand should.

That's notably hypocritical of you. Thanks for demonstrating your
double standard.


Why are you taking the quote out of the context you say it is in?


I'm not.


You did.

No, the context that I cited was sufficient to understand the quote
without altering its meaning. The previous context had jesus
alleging a similarly fake "miracle" by cursing a fig tree, even
though it was out of season for figs to begin with. This was a
manifestly stupid and petty action on the part of ol' jebus and adds
nothing to the quote above. However, as I pointed out, there is
always more context one could quote and there is always some idiot
like yourself who wants to complain that other people should give
more context.


There's always a larger context we could select and I'm
quoting it in the same context that many religious people use.


But your handling of it is not in line with Nietzsche or with Jesus.

It was consistent with the message that both of them were conveying
and you're a complete moron to suggest otherwise.



Now why don't you deal
with the claim by Jesus, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed,
you can say to this mountain,'Move from here to there' and it will
move."


I do.


No you haven't.


I told you I do.

You claimed it, but failed to follow through. Therefore your
fallacious argument by assertion fails.

Your lie is immaterial, irrelvant and without truth.

Fortunately I didn't lie.


First off, volcanos don't require faith, one way or the
other.


Who said they did?

Jesus said mountains could be moved with faith and volcanos would be
included in that, dipshit.


Secondly, Jesus failed to demonstrate his claim and so have all
people who have taken him up on his offer in the last 2000 years.


Your proof is where?

He's the one who has the burden of proof to demonstrate his claim.
We can't be expected to cite every single instance where it *didn't*
happen. He needs to prove his claim and has not.


You're just a dishonest idiot who refused to admit it.


Not even a little.

You're certainly all of that and a bag of ***** to boot.


Any time you'd
like to demonstrate that you can cause the Himalayas to be transported
from their present location to the middle of Idaho then be my fricken
guest.


Sure thing,

You've failed to accomplish it, liar.

but your ignorance is too blatant

There is no such ignorance on my part.

to do such just so you can be
satisfied

Jesus said nothing about ignorance in that verse, nor did he say
that people should refrain from doing it in order to satisfy
skeptics. The fact is that you know you can't do it and you're
desperately casting about for excuses.

, and there really is not sufficent reason to do what you just
mentioned.

Jesus didn't say that any reason was needed at all to do this, so
again, you're just desperately inventing excuses.

Why would anyone want to move the Himalayas to Idaho?

Irrelevant.

See how stupid you are?

I see that I'm not stupid at all, but that you're stupidly lying
like a retarded five-year-old.



This claim of jesus has never been demonstrated to work, but
rather, it has been falsified consistently.


Your mother or who told you that?


OK, you do it right now then,


Why?

To demonstrate your claim, as you are obligated to do by your burden
of proof.

Because you want me to?

On pain of your argument collapsing and you committing the logical
fallacy of argument by assertion, you must demonstrate your claim.
You obviously cannot and therefore are attempting to dodge.

LOL!!!!!!!!
Read the passage again, and notice that it said nothing about moving
mountains when you tell someone to do it.

In Mt 21:19 it says, "Then he said to it, 'May you never bear fruit
again!' ***Immediately*** the tree withered." Then in verse 21 he
goes on to say, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not
doubt, **not only can you do what was done to the fig tree**, but
also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the
sea,' and it will be done." The clear implication is that both
would be immediate and on demand. Otherwise it would be utterly
worthless if we had to wait a million fucking years and hope that
erosion would wear the ***** mountain down. Sheesh you're an
idiot.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
You just got the jackass of the newsgroup award.

It sounds like you're the one who permanently holds that award,
since you appear to be so familiar with it. Your twit nomination
will be forthcoming in aa, I'm sure.


just like Jesus lyingly promised.


Why should I?

You must demonstrate your lying claims or retract.

You asssert that it is a lie

And you assert it to be true, making you the positive claimant
reponsible to shoulder the burden of proof.

, so I have no responsibility to do it for you.

No, it doesn't work that way, idiot. You're the person making the
claim and therefore the convention is for you to support your claim
or withdraw it.

Doing it against you would be more to my liking.

YAWN. I really don't give a flying ***** what you would like.


I will
watch the AP news wire for word that you have moved the Rocky Mountains
into the Atlantic Ocean.


Good. I am glad you will occupy yourself with that task.
Thank you for binding yourself to that activity.

I read it every day anyway, you stupid *****. However, a reasonable
period of time has already passed to convince objective observers
that you have no supernatural ability to move any mountain through
prayer. The bible suggests that it should be possible immediately
and yet you fail to demonstrate any such ability.


If there is no such news in the next 24 hours,
you will have proven yourself and Jesus to be lying sacks of *****.


Not in the slightest.

By any reasonable standard we must conclude that 2000 years of
failure to keep his promises makes Jesus a lying sack of *****.
Since you are a brain-dead follower of the rotting corpse of
xianity, you are a lying sack of ***** by the transitive property.


LOL!!!!!!!
Your lack of discernment is evident.


No, I just have a firm grip on reality, unlike you.


*****. If you had a firm grip on reality you would understand the
passages instead of acting like someone who doesn't understand them.

I understand the passage quite well and act in a fashion that
demonstrates that I clearly understand it. You're the one who is
trying to lie and distort and misinterpret because you know that you
cannot do what Jesus claimed you would be able to do. You're just
not honest enough to admit it to yourself.



I suppose you
believe that you need to sacrifice a virgin to Pelee to appease her?


To *her*?


I don't expect you to have any sense of humor.


You were trying to be funny?


If you have to ask then you don't have a sense of humor.


Your fallacious statement is noted.

There's nothing fallacious about that. You might not agree with it,
but you clearly don't understand what a fallacy is. My hypothetical
follows easily.



Sacrifice a virgin?


You apparently don't know what to do with a virgin.


LOL!!!!!!!!!!
I know so much more than you know,


Not even close, shitwit.


Again, did you mother tell you that?

Eh?


I've forgotten more than you'll ever be able to
learn.


Forgetful minds like your are not to be trusted.

Actually I don't forget much, suggesting that you know very little
indeed.

and those mountains that faith can move
are how far from you?


Would you like some dressing on that word salad?


You're in ELP?

YAWN.


What do you do with virgins after their cherry has been voided?


So you think that after the first time they're no good?


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a stupid question to ask


It's rhetorical, you dumbshit.


It makes you look stupid.

No, it makes you look even more foolish than you normally do, by
asking idiotic questions like the one you did.


, especially in view of how you act.


How is that?


Like an ignorant, uncaring liar.

In haven't acted in any of those ways.


I do not subscribe to your ideas.


Which ones?


You want to argue?

That's not an answer to my question, *****.


I guess your question is an indication of how you view women in general.


It indicates that I regard them as human beings unlike the way that
superstitious goat herders in the bible view them.


It doesn't show me that.

I really don't care if you're to ignorant to see where the evidence
leads.

It shows me that you view women worse.

No, it doesn't show that at all. You're the one who acted like
women were little more than inanimate objects.
--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
.








User: "johac"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 22 Jun 2005 02:00:34 AM
In article <MPG.1d2268879e61b8c09896b2@news.readfreenews.net>,
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-donated-
eggs,0,7974031.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

So the blastocysts get implanted in genetically incompatible women get
rejected and die anyway. Why is that better than using them for stem
cell research that actually might help someone?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: "Elf M. Sternberg"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 22 Jun 2005 11:00:28 AM
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> writes:

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.

I think the whole Snowflake thing is just creepy. I mean,
first, when Snowflakes makes "an implantation package," the service
they're getting it from has already discarded a number of the embryos
due to freezer burn. Because this may result in a single donor not
having enough eggs for an IP, they blend together contributions. One of
the women at Bush's press conference not only had twins who weren't
related to her, they weren't related to each other.
The Snowflake program is immoral on its face. Rather than adopt
an already living child, saving it from a life of deprivation and
hardship, they choose to make a new baby from nothingness. For all the
abortion argument, there's no evidence that an embryo feels or
remembers; there aren't even braincells in the blastocyte stage.
I suspect part of the attraction of the Snowflake program is its
high-techyness. The adopters are like Star-Trek fans. Either that, or
they know that the number of brown people who use IVF, and so contribute
to the donor people, are vanishingly small, so this is another way to
make more white kids even when the couple can't conceive otherwise.
Elf
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 23 Jun 2005 01:53:50 AM
In article <87is06wfdv.fsf@drizzle.com>,
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote:

quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> writes:

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.


I think the whole Snowflake thing is just creepy. I mean,
first, when Snowflakes makes "an implantation package," the service
they're getting it from has already discarded a number of the embryos
due to freezer burn. Because this may result in a single donor not
having enough eggs for an IP, they blend together contributions. One of
the women at Bush's press conference not only had twins who weren't
related to her, they weren't related to each other.

The Snowflake program is immoral on its face. Rather than adopt
an already living child, saving it from a life of deprivation and
hardship, they choose to make a new baby from nothingness. For all the
abortion argument, there's no evidence that an embryo feels or
remembers; there aren't even braincells in the blastocyte stage.

I suspect part of the attraction of the Snowflake program is its
high-techyness. The adopters are like Star-Trek fans. Either that, or
they know that the number of brown people who use IVF, and so contribute
to the donor people, are vanishingly small, so this is another way to
make more white kids even when the couple can't conceive otherwise.

Elf

I wonder about the health of the 'snowflakes'. Freezing, even in liquid
nitrogen, slows down biological processes, it doesn't necessarily
completely stop them. These embryos may be slowly degrading. I wonder if
anyone has any data on the health of the developing fetus or on the
child after birth following IVF procedures with aged embryos.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: So fake "snowflake babies" hit major technical snag. 22 Jun 2005 01:49:03 PM
In article <87is06wfdv.fsf@drizzle.com>,
says...

quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> writes:

Oops. It looks like the immune system is likely to reject or
mobilize against donated ova from other women who are not related.
It's also likely to increase the risk of hypertension and
miscarriages in these surrogate moms. That means that attempts to
adopt some of the 400,000 excess frozen blastocysts in fertility
clinics is even less likely to materialize in reality. Of course,
we already knew that hypochristian pro-liars had only succeeded in
having a total of 81 births from these spare embryos, so I guess
this will give them one more excuse for them to do nothing.


I think the whole Snowflake thing is just creepy. I mean,
first, when Snowflakes makes "an implantation package," the service
they're getting it from has already discarded a number of the embryos
due to freezer burn. Because this may result in a single donor not
having enough eggs for an IP, they blend together contributions. One of
the women at Bush's press conference not only had twins who weren't
related to her, they weren't related to each other.

The Snowflake program is immoral on its face. Rather than adopt
an already living child, saving it from a life of deprivation and
hardship, they choose to make a new baby from nothingness.

These are certainly some interesting points. It also costs about $5000
dollars, just to have these embryos implanted, I understand.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.



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