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21 Feb 2004 02:19:27 PM |
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So what's real about this Administration ? |
So what's real about this Administration ?
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The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
22 Feb 2004 02:27:38 AM |
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In article <5aff30dogtbm6er0b9p6p8cbfokbkk4lgr@4ax.com>,
wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
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The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
_______________________________________________
The only thing real about this administration is that whenever they open
their mouths, they are lying.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
22 Feb 2004 07:29:15 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <5aff30dogtbm6er0b9p6p8cbfokbkk4lgr@4ax.com>,
grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
_______________________________________________
The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
_______________________________________________
The only thing real about this administration is that whenever they open
their mouths, they are lying.
This distinguishes them from any other group of politicians in what way?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Alun Harford" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
22 Feb 2004 12:02:03 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:103hbl9pf8tse48@news.supernews.com...
johac wrote:
In article <5aff30dogtbm6er0b9p6p8cbfokbkk4lgr@4ax.com>,
grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
_______________________________________________
The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
_______________________________________________
The only thing real about this administration is that whenever they open
their mouths, they are lying.
This distinguishes them from any other group of politicians in what way?
The other politicians only lie when they're in front of a microphone.
Alun Harford
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| User: "gammajoe8" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
23 Feb 2004 02:13:30 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:103hbl9pf8tse48@news.supernews.com...
johac wrote:
In article <5aff30dogtbm6er0b9p6p8cbfokbkk4lgr@4ax.com>,
grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
_______________________________________________
The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
_______________________________________________
The only thing real about this administration is that whenever they open
their mouths, they are lying.
This distinguishes them from any other group of politicians in what way?
The scope of the lying. We can point to specific lies in other
administrations. In this one, everything is a lie. This president is the
recipient of the finest education money can buy, yet he can hardly utter a
coherent sentence. He is incompetent, he is a puppet and makes even the
presidency itself a fraud.
#948
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
23 Feb 2004 08:42:49 AM |
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gammajoe8 wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:103hbl9pf8tse48@news.supernews.com...
johac wrote:
In article <5aff30dogtbm6er0b9p6p8cbfokbkk4lgr@4ax.com>,
grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
_______________________________________________
The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
_______________________________________________
The only thing real about this administration is that whenever they open
their mouths, they are lying.
This distinguishes them from any other group of politicians in what way?
The scope of the lying. We can point to specific lies in other
administrations. In this one, everything is a lie.
And THAT is a Big Lie.
This president is the
recipient of the finest education money can buy, yet he can hardly utter a
coherent sentence.
That's another.
He is incompetent, he is a puppet
If he's a "puppet" his "incompetency" is irrelevant.
and makes even the
presidency itself a fraud.
And this differs from Democratic presidents past in what way?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
23 Feb 2004 12:33:58 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The scope of the lying. We can point to specific lies in
other administrations. In this one, everything is a lie.
And THAT is a Big Lie.
No, "Fred," you are merely offering simple-minded contradiction.
and makes even the presidency itself a fraud.
And this differs from Democratic presidents past in what way?
Huge ways.
Bush invented the crisis in north Korea. No, he did not inherit it
from Clinton. Clinton talked the north Koreans into placing
EVERYTHING on the table. Everything. The nuclear program,
the missile program, *Everything*. Clinton successful talked
them into shutting down their nuclear weapons program.
No, Clinton *Did* *Not* fail. He succeeded. The north Koreans
shut down their nuclear program. No, the United States *Never*
upheld its end of the bargain. The Republican-controlled congress
refused to go along. Still, the north Koreans stuck to their end of
the agreement. They did not re-start their nuclear weapons
program.
The north Koreans only called an end to matters *After* Bush took
over and abandoned Clinton's diplomatic efforts. They re-started
their nuclear weapons program, and redoubled their efforts to
produce multi stage, long-range missiles that could carry their
nuclear weapons. They had ended the nuclear weapons program,
and had offered to end all development on the missile program,
but Bush refused to not only go along with the deals in place, but
refused to agree to a new deal that would have ended north Korea's
missile program.
They blamed Clinton. Yup. It was Clinton's fault that north Korea
had a nuclear program. Not one party involved blamed Clinton other
than the Republicans, but the Republicans blamed Clinton.
The south Koreans blamed Bush. That's why there was a rash of
anti-American protest in south Korea, the country we were supposedly
protecting. That's why the President of south Korea got elected on
an anti-American platform. Not because Clinton was any kind of
failure, but because Bush had undone six years of solid progress within
a matter of days of stealing the Whitehouse.
The Bush "Stance" is that north Korea is blackmailing the United States.
They're demanding food & oil in exchange for ending their weapons
programs, and that's blackmail.
Here in the real world, every nation on earth believes it has the exact
same "Right" as the United States. That is to say, every nation on
earth believes that, like the United States, it has the "Right" to build
nuclear weapons and long-range delivery systems. The United States
has no business telling any other nation on earth that it can't build
nuclear weapons, even as the United States sits atop a huge nuclear
arsenal.
If the United States wants a country to give up its "Right" to produce
nuclear weapons, the United States has to offer something in return.
That's north Korea's position. That's how the rest of the world sees
things. The north Koreans agreed to give the United States, Russia
and China a huge nuclear military advantage over them, in return for
badly needed food & fuel. Clinton agreed, and the north Koreans
stuck to the agreement, but the Bush administration threw it all away.
Bush ended all pretenses of an agreement with north Korea, *Not*
the north Koreans.
With hundreds of thousands of lives at stake here -- and that's just in
the opening minutes of a war in Korea -- Bush first created a brand
new crisis, then blamed everyone else. They blamed Clinton. They
blamed the north Koreans for breaking their agreement that the
Republicans never allowed the United States to honor. They lied. Bush
lied.
Nothing compares to this. Nothing. Nothing Clinton, Bush senior or
Reagan ever did can compare to this monumental failure on Bush's
part. Nothing. Bush created a crisis out of thin air, then blamed Clinton.
Bush has handed an answer, he inherited a diplomatic solution, yet
he threw it all away and blamed Bill Clinton.
He lied, and that lie may yet cost countless thousands of lives. This is
on a scale that dwarfs *Anything* we have ever seen in American
politics.
There is no comparison. Bush has established a new low.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
23 Feb 2004 12:49:14 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The scope of the lying. We can point to specific lies in
other administrations. In this one, everything is a lie.
And THAT is a Big Lie.
No, "Fred," you are merely offering simple-minded contradiction.
No, JTEM, you are merely offering simple-minded contradiction.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
23 Feb 2004 01:05:09 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
No, JTEM, you are merely offering simple-minded contradiction.
You missed this next bit, "Fred":
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
And this differs from Democratic presidents past in what way?
Huge ways.
Bush invented the crisis in north Korea. No, he did not inherit it
from Clinton. Clinton talked the north Koreans into placing
EVERYTHING on the table. Everything. The nuclear program,
the missile program, *Everything*. Clinton successful talked
them into shutting down their nuclear weapons program.
No, Clinton *Did* *Not* fail. He succeeded. The north Koreans
shut down their nuclear program. No, the United States *Never*
upheld its end of the bargain. The Republican-controlled congress
refused to go along. Still, the north Koreans stuck to their end of
the agreement. They did not re-start their nuclear weapons
program.
The north Koreans only called an end to matters *After* Bush took
over and abandoned Clinton's diplomatic efforts. They re-started
their nuclear weapons program, and redoubled their efforts to
produce multi stage, long-range missiles that could carry their
nuclear weapons. They had ended the nuclear weapons program,
and had offered to end all development on the missile program,
but Bush refused to not only go along with the deals in place, but
refused to agree to a new deal that would have ended north Korea's
missile program.
They blamed Clinton. Yup. It was Clinton's fault that north Korea
had a nuclear program. Not one party involved blamed Clinton other
than the Republicans, but the Republicans blamed Clinton.
The south Koreans blamed Bush. That's why there was a rash of
anti-American protest in south Korea, the country we were supposedly
protecting. That's why the President of south Korea got elected on
an anti-American platform. Not because Clinton was any kind of
failure, but because Bush had undone six years of solid progress within
a matter of days of stealing the Whitehouse.
The Bush "Stance" is that north Korea is blackmailing the United States.
They're demanding food & oil in exchange for ending their weapons
programs, and that's blackmail.
Here in the real world, every nation on earth believes it has the exact
same "Right" as the United States. That is to say, every nation on
earth believes that, like the United States, it has the "Right" to build
nuclear weapons and long-range delivery systems. The United States
has no business telling any other nation on earth that it can't build
nuclear weapons, even as the United States sits atop a huge nuclear
arsenal.
If the United States wants a country to give up its "Right" to produce
nuclear weapons, the United States has to offer something in return.
That's north Korea's position. That's how the rest of the world sees
things. The north Koreans agreed to give the United States, Russia
and China a huge nuclear military advantage over them, in return for
badly needed food & fuel. Clinton agreed, and the north Koreans
stuck to the agreement, but the Bush administration threw it all away.
Bush ended all pretenses of an agreement with north Korea, *Not*
the north Koreans.
With hundreds of thousands of lives at stake here -- and that's just in
the opening minutes of a war in Korea -- Bush first created a brand
new crisis, then blamed everyone else. They blamed Clinton. They
blamed the north Koreans for breaking their agreement that the
Republicans never allowed the United States to honor. They lied. Bush
lied.
Nothing compares to this. Nothing. Nothing Clinton, Bush senior or
Reagan ever did can compare to this monumental failure on Bush's
part. Nothing. Bush created a crisis out of thin air, then blamed Clinton.
Bush has handed an answer, he inherited a diplomatic solution, yet
he threw it all away and blamed Bill Clinton.
He lied, and that lie may yet cost countless thousands of lives. This is
on a scale that dwarfs *Anything* we have ever seen in American
politics.
There is no comparison. Bush has established a new low.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
23 Feb 2004 01:15:26 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
No, JTEM, you are merely offering simple-minded contradiction.
You missed this next bit, "Fred":
No, I didn't. I snipped it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: So what's real about this Administration ? |
23 Feb 2004 01:44:41 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
You missed this next bit, "Fred":
No, I didn't. I snipped it.
I know. No doubt, you felt "Justified" in retaliation for
all those times I did not quote paragraph after paragraph
of right-wing myths, ignorant opinions and out right lies.
In your excuse for a mind, that's exactly identical to you
ignoring my direct response to your question.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 Feb 2004 02:23:37 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
You missed this next bit, "Fred":
No, I didn't. I snipped it.
I know. No doubt, you felt "Justified" in retaliation for
all those times I did not quote paragraph after paragraph
of right-wing myths, ignorant opinions and out right lies.
In your excuse for a mind, that's exactly identical to you
ignoring my direct response to your question.
My irony meter just raided my gun cabinet and committed suicide.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "JTEM" |
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23 Feb 2004 03:31:01 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
My irony meter just raided my gun cabinet
and committed suicide.
I warned you about that, "Fred." I told you to turn
it off when you're typing.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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23 Feb 2004 06:55:16 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
My irony meter just raided my gun cabinet
and committed suicide.
I warned you about that, "Fred." I told you to turn
it off when you're typing.
Oooo, a ikyabwai. I'm devastated.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Sean C" |
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21 Feb 2004 05:19:42 PM |
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In article <5aff30dogtbm6er0b9p6p8cbfokbkk4lgr@4ax.com>,
<grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
_______________________________________________
The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
Bush really is a moron.
Bush really is an *****.
Bush really is a lying sack of *****.
That much is real.
Sean C
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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21 Feb 2004 09:01:29 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:19:42 -0500, Sean C wrote:
In article <5aff30dogtbm6er0b9p6p8cbfokbkk4lgr@4ax.com>,
<grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
_______________________________________________
The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
Bush really is a moron.
Bush really is an *****.
Bush really is a lying sack of *****.
That much is real.
No, there was something. I'm only 8 oz into Saturday Cabernet but I can't
remember it. Damn. I'm sure there was because I remember thinking it
broke his perfect streak as our best temptation to believe there really is
an antichrist. Sorry.
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| User: "Brainfried" |
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21 Feb 2004 02:39:07 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:19:27 +0000, grub wrote:
So what's real about this Administration ?
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The Florida election was a fraud.
9/11 was a fraud.
The invasion of Iraq was a fraud.
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Deficits!
Fiscal and leadership deficits!
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