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"Xomicron" |
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03 Apr 2004 07:52:25 PM |
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Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down |
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
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| User: "Skywise" |
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12 Apr 2004 11:45:04 AM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Great Article!
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15 Apr 2004 07:37:57 PM |
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"Skywise" <Skywise@fool.net> wrote in message news:<lIzec.33$st5.66731@news.uswest.net>...
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Great Article!
Lets vote for John Kerry and bring that complete failure to America!!!!
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| User: "eedwards" |
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21 Apr 2004 05:50:29 PM |
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Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Skywise" <Skywise@fool.net> wrote in message
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Great Article!
Lets vote for John Kerry and bring that complete failure to America!!!!
Then again, facism and imperalism didn't go so well in Europe either, so why
are we trying that here?
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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04 Apr 2004 07:29:48 AM |
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In article <Xns94C0D4557E6EFxomicron@0.0.0.1>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
So why would you vote for Bush? After all, he recently signed the most
liberal pork barrel legislation that has come into the Oval Office in
many decades; the Medicare bill that is projected to cost billions.
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| User: "Matt" |
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04 Apr 2004 09:03:18 AM |
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Shawn Hearn wrote:
In article <Xns94C0D4557E6EFxomicron@0.0.0.1>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
So why would you vote for Bush? After all, he recently signed the most
liberal pork barrel legislation that has come into the Oval Office in
many decades; the Medicare bill that is projected to cost billions.
No, don't you understand, that's called "compassionate conservatism".
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Apr 2004 03:46:27 PM |
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Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Shawn Hearn wrote:
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
So why would you vote for Bush? After all, he recently signed the most
liberal pork barrel legislation that has come into the Oval Office in
many decades; the Medicare bill that is projected to cost billions.
No, don't you understand, that's called "compassionate conservatism".
No, it's called a massive giveaway to the drug industry.
As he approaches the November election, President Bush has shed a
good part of the ``compassionate conservative'' image he
cultivated during the 2000 election, a Washington Post poll has
found.
Bush came to office three years ago with a message that he was
different from traditional Republican conservatives because he was
promoting programs for the poor and disadvantaged. But with his
presidency dominated by foreign-policy issues and such traditional
conservative favorites as tax cuts, he has dropped from his
speeches the compassionate-conservative moniker that was his
trademark in 2000.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/8352592.htm
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Matt" |
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04 Apr 2004 08:03:24 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Shawn Hearn wrote:
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
So why would you vote for Bush? After all, he recently signed the most
liberal pork barrel legislation that has come into the Oval Office in
many decades; the Medicare bill that is projected to cost billions.
No, don't you understand, that's called "compassionate conservatism".
No, it's called a massive giveaway to the drug industry.
As he approaches the November election, President Bush has shed a
good part of the ``compassionate conservative'' image he
cultivated during the 2000 election, a Washington Post poll has
found.
Bush came to office three years ago with a message that he was
different from traditional Republican conservatives because he was
promoting programs for the poor and disadvantaged. But with his
presidency dominated by foreign-policy issues and such traditional
conservative favorites as tax cuts, he has dropped from his
speeches the compassionate-conservative moniker that was his
trademark in 2000.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/8352592.htm
As I said in 2000, it was a crock of crap and too good to be true. Its a
lot easier for the left to move to the right than for the right to move
slightly to the left. As for those who voted Republican and now out of a
job, I hope you feel like a right nitwit; you were warned, be wary of
conservatives bearing left wing gifts.
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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04 Apr 2004 05:09:43 PM |
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On 4 Apr 2004 01:52:25 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Let's see how the right-wing Republicans do under Jr.'s (cough)
leadership in November. Everyday you hear about more soldiers getting
killed and how going to war was all based on lies... Talk about a
complete failure...
--
with no helmet
she's safe
right past the airport
and past the lotus
with the cure
- "Ariel vs. Lotus"
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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05 Apr 2004 07:41:27 AM |
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Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in news:4p1170hs7t9rtvs5entmsgj7jr7oh0bfql@
4ax.com:
On 4 Apr 2004 01:52:25 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Let's see how the right-wing Republicans do under Jr.'s (cough)
leadership in November. Everyday you hear about more soldiers getting
killed and how going to war was all based on lies... Talk about a
complete failure...
Invalidating The Protestors
March 29, 2004
Andy Obermann
Over the weekend, massive protests were staged across the nation.
Protestors, in nearly every major American city, blocked streets and
occupied public parks, picketing America's "illegal occupation" of
Iraq and failure in the War on Terror. Dismissing the logic that 10
months of freedom isn't enough time to build a government, let alone a
democracy, these activists displayed their true liberal,
appeasement-oriented agenda for all terrorists to see.
From what I was able to gather in news reports, the appeasers, I mean
protestors, stuck to their primary contention that the War on Terror
is all about oil. One sign, in fact, clearly declared "War on
Terror=War for Oil." This claim is becoming very dated, let alone
ridiculous, so let's disperse the myth for good.
In case you aren't a black helicopter conspiracy nut, let me fill you
in on how this scheme is supposed to play out. First, President Bush
(through various bribes and misgivings) convinced the Taliban
government to convince al Qaeda groups operating in Afghanistan to
attack America on 9/11. Now, given the scale of the attacks, President
Bush, showing a great deal more genius and forward thinking than these
people give him credit for, must have began this dialogue 2-3 years
before the actual terrorist strike.
With his CIA connections (the President's father was once the director
of the CIA), Bush then orchestrated a coup d'etat in the 2000 election
to oust the Clinton heir-apparent Al Gore and implement his grand
scheme—the establishment of a massive trans-Asian oil pipeline,
stretching from Central Asia, across Afghanistan, to the Caspian Sea.
This mini-American colony (Afghanistan) would be rented out to firms
like Halliburton, to enrich Vice President Cheney (the one time CEO of
Halliburton, who holds no financial ties with Halliburton and
relinquished all shares of stock in the company upon becoming vice
president).
The backup plan? Well, if this pipeline scheme failed, the
Administration would then use words like "liberation" and "terrorism"
to maintain the "occupation" of Afghanistan (for unknown reasons),
while moving to "liberate" other countries in the name of the War on
Terror. This is where Iraq plays in.
Since the Afghan colony idea failed, Bush decided Iraq was his next
best option. He used Saddam Hussein's apparent terrorist ties, weapons
of mass destruction threat, United Nations defiance, human rights
violations, mass graves, false imprisonments, torture chambers, rapes,
terror funding, and such to justify the "phony" case for the
liberation of Iraq. The real plan was to secure oil fields,
incorporate companies like Halliburton, and make Vice President Cheney
richer, according to the great conspiracy theorists.
I think one simple argument invalidates all of this nonsense: None of
this happened! There is no US colony in Afghanistan, no pipeline, no
Caspian-Central Asia drilling operation, no "permanent occupation" of
Afghanistan, no American colony in Iraq, and no stolen oil from Iraqi
fields. Yes, Halliburton was used for some government contracts, but
they have received a steady flow of government contracts since the end
of World War I, 22 years before VP Cheney was born!
One would think with this excess crude oil coming from Afghanistan's
pipeline and Iraq's oil fields, our gas prices would plummet. This
just isn't the case. Fuel prices across the globe are soaring,
especially in America where gas prices are averaging $1.72 per gallon.
Iraq is seeing record gas price levels, and towering crude oil prices
worldwide are leading to shortages in some European nations.
Look, the reality is, if it were up to these people, the Taliban would
still be conducting female castrations and hanging people from soccer
goals in Kabul Stadium. Saddam's torture chambers and prisons would
still be running a direct pipeline to the mass graves scattered across
Iraq. His sons would still be executing civilians and raping Iraqi
females as young as 12. Most importantly, terrorists occupying these
havens of safety would still be conducting training and recruiting
missions and planning operations against the United States. They,
quite possibly, would still seek WMDs from Iraq that much of the world
(UN and foreign governments included) agreed existed. There is no
doubt that the fall of Saddam gave terrorists one less willing
accomplice in attacks against America.
Don't be swayed by these shallow protestors. After all, if they were
truly outraged by American occupation, where were they during the
Clinton Administration's nation-building exercises in Somalia and the
Balkans? The War on Terror is still America's fight and one that must
be won.
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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06 Apr 2004 11:44:41 PM |
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On 5 Apr 2004 12:41:27 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in news:4p1170hs7t9rtvs5entmsgj7jr7oh0bfql@
4ax.com:
On 4 Apr 2004 01:52:25 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Let's see how the right-wing Republicans do under Jr.'s (cough)
leadership in November. Everyday you hear about more soldiers getting
killed and how going to war was all based on lies... Talk about a
complete failure...
Invalidating The Protestors
March 29, 2004
Andy Obermann
That article is complete crap.
The fact is there never was a terrorist threat from Iraq, so the war
on Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terrorism. The fact is the
Bush Jr. administration was planning to go to war against Iraq before
9/11. And I don't think it has anything to do with the price of oil.
It was all just about a grudge, as pathetic as that is. Like with
Noriega. The US invaded Panama and murdered 3000 civilians to arrest
him on drug charges of all things. It was all grudge and American
bullies having their way at any cost.
Here's an idea: how about you dead-beat, trailer-trash,
gun-worshipping, sister-fucking idiots get a fucking clue!! Either
that or disappear off the face of the earth. The world will be very
grateful if the earth just opened up and swallowed you terminally
ignorant people.
The whole world would celebrate and sing: "Ding Dong the Witch is
dead"...
Want to know the difference between today and before the Americans and
Brits went to war? Before everyone knew they were full of ***** and
today it is an undeniable fact that not even the Americans are
contesting.
And under Saddam there were no terrorists in Iraq, but now Iraq is
teeming with them.
Bush Jr.'s pointless war against Iraq has done more for international
terrorism than bin Laden could ever hope to accomplish.
--
with no helmet
she's safe
right past the airport
and past the lotus
with the cure
- "Ariel vs. Lotus"
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Apr 2004 12:58:43 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in news:4p1170hs7t9rtvs5entmsgj7jr7oh0bfql@
4ax.com:
On 4 Apr 2004 01:52:25 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Let's see how the right-wing Republicans do under Jr.'s (cough)
leadership in November. Everyday you hear about more soldiers getting
killed and how going to war was all based on lies... Talk about a
complete failure...
Invalidating The Protestors
March 29, 2004
Andy Obermann
Over the weekend, massive protests were staged across the nation.
Protestors, in nearly every major American city, blocked streets and
occupied public parks, picketing America's "illegal occupation" of
Iraq and failure in the War on Terror. Dismissing the logic that 10
months of freedom isn't enough time to build a government, let alone a
democracy, these activists displayed their true liberal,
appeasement-oriented agenda for all terrorists to see.
"Peace is bad. Killing is good. People who oppose killing are bad."
Insanity.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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05 Apr 2004 02:33:41 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c4s6oi$eil$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
news:4p1170hs7t9rtvs5entmsgj7jr7oh0bfql@ 4ax.com:
On 4 Apr 2004 01:52:25 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Let's see how the right-wing Republicans do under Jr.'s (cough)
leadership in November. Everyday you hear about more soldiers getting
killed and how going to war was all based on lies... Talk about a
complete failure...
Invalidating The Protestors
March 29, 2004
Andy Obermann
Over the weekend, massive protests were staged across the nation.
Protestors, in nearly every major American city, blocked streets and
occupied public parks, picketing America's "illegal occupation" of
Iraq and failure in the War on Terror. Dismissing the logic that 10
months of freedom isn't enough time to build a government, let alone a
democracy, these activists displayed their true liberal,
appeasement-oriented agenda for all terrorists to see.
"Peace is bad. Killing is good. People who oppose killing are bad."
Insanity.
Liberalism is a failure yet you still sling to it's rotting carcass.
That's insanity.
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05 Apr 2004 02:59:40 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:c4scal$2lf664$21@ID-170553.news.uni-berlin.de...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c4s6oi$eil$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Liberalism is a failure yet you still sling to it's rotting carcass.
That's insanity.
Every idea you embrace was at one time considered radical, and of a liberal
slant. This is true throughout histrory. Every "conservative" idea of the
future will be more liberal than the ones of today.
Clinging to old, antiquated ideas is against the evolution of ideas.
I'd like to think that some day people will have to go to a history museum
to see what a gun looks like. They'll marvel that such things were
commonplace and at how uncivilized we must have been. And they'll be right.
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| User: "Harry Back" |
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07 Apr 2004 12:02:49 AM |
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On 5 Apr 2004 19:33:41 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c4s6oi$eil$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
news:4p1170hs7t9rtvs5entmsgj7jr7oh0bfql@ 4ax.com:
On 4 Apr 2004 01:52:25 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete failure.
Let's see how the right-wing Republicans do under Jr.'s (cough)
leadership in November. Everyday you hear about more soldiers getting
killed and how going to war was all based on lies... Talk about a
complete failure...
Invalidating The Protestors
March 29, 2004
Andy Obermann
Over the weekend, massive protests were staged across the nation.
Protestors, in nearly every major American city, blocked streets and
occupied public parks, picketing America's "illegal occupation" of
Iraq and failure in the War on Terror. Dismissing the logic that 10
months of freedom isn't enough time to build a government, let alone a
democracy, these activists displayed their true liberal,
appeasement-oriented agenda for all terrorists to see.
"Peace is bad. Killing is good. People who oppose killing are bad."
Insanity.
Liberalism is a failure yet you still sling to it's rotting carcass.
That's insanity.
Yeah right Adolph. Here's a clue: civilized first-world countries are
not as far out on the right wing as American idiots are. And no,
America is not the only democratic country in the world - fucking
"land of the free" my *****!!
Your politicians are own by corporations. You have the highest crime
rate, drug addiction rate and poverty rate among all first world
countries. 43 million Americans don't have health insurance, where all
other first-world countries have healthcare for all their citizens,
and yet you people pay 60% more on healthcare costs than other
nations. And because there are no controls on American medicine
healthcare costs are going to continue to spiral out of control.
And with your ridiculous 18th century constitutional ammendment giving
all American citizens the right to bear arms you have 10 times the
number of deaths by fire arms on per capita basis compared to all
other first-world nations.
Now given that America has the toughest sentencing policies and the
death penalty not to mention making drug dealers serve their full
sentences without parole while letting violent criminals out after
serving part of their sentences, why is America still such a bloody
mess??
The fact is you American barbarians need a keeper. You certainly don't
have what it takes to rule the world. Get your own ***** together
first.
--
with no helmet
she's safe
right past the airport
and past the lotus
with the cure
- "Ariel vs. Lotus"
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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07 Apr 2004 01:58:23 PM |
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Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
news:br1770t2vgqo3mje67phfo600s57863m95@4ax.com:
On 5 Apr 2004 19:33:41 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c4s6oi$eil$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
news:4p1170hs7t9rtvs5entmsgj7jr7oh0bfql@ 4ax.com:
On 4 Apr 2004 01:52:25 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Socialist liberal utopia comes crashing down:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116068,00.html
Social crisis in Europe shows that liberalism is a complete
failure.
Let's see how the right-wing Republicans do under Jr.'s (cough)
leadership in November. Everyday you hear about more soldiers
getting killed and how going to war was all based on lies... Talk
about a complete failure...
Invalidating The Protestors
March 29, 2004
Andy Obermann
Over the weekend, massive protests were staged across the nation.
Protestors, in nearly every major American city, blocked streets and
occupied public parks, picketing America's "illegal occupation" of
Iraq and failure in the War on Terror. Dismissing the logic that 10
months of freedom isn't enough time to build a government, let alone a
democracy, these activists displayed their true liberal,
appeasement-oriented agenda for all terrorists to see.
"Peace is bad. Killing is good. People who oppose killing are bad."
Insanity.
Liberalism is a failure yet you still sling to it's rotting carcass.
That's insanity.
Yeah right Adolph. Here's a clue: civilized first-world countries are
not as far out on the right wing as American idiots are. And no,
America is not the only democratic country in the world - fucking
"land of the free" my *****!!
You really are a fucking moron.
Your politicians are own by corporations.
You are a liar.
You have the highest crime
rate, drug addiction rate and poverty rate among all first world
countries.
The crime rate is higher in Europe than it is in the United States.
43 million Americans don't have health insurance, where all
other first-world countries have healthcare for all their citizens,
And their economies are suffering because of it. High unemployment,
massive social programs, and a declining working class population in
Europe is a recipe for economic collapse.
And because there are no controls on American medicine
healthcare costs are going to continue to spiral out of control.
Socialism doesn't work. Why are you beating a dead horse?
And with your ridiculous 18th century constitutional ammendment giving
all American citizens the right to bear arms you have 10 times the
number of deaths by fire arms on per capita basis compared to all
other first-world nations.
Freedom of speech is an 18th century constitutional ammendment. Should we
get rid of that one too? Are you willing to put a sign on your front door
that says, "This is a gun free home"?
The vast majority of gun crimes (around 95%) are committed with illegally
obtained weapons. How is prohibiting law abiding citizens from owning guns
going to prevent 95% of gun crimes committed by those who have illegally
obtained firearms?
Now given that America has the toughest sentencing policies and the
death penalty not to mention making drug dealers serve their full
sentences without parole while letting violent criminals out after
serving part of their sentences, why is America still such a bloody
mess??
It's not.
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| User: "Nvok" |
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07 Apr 2004 05:08:35 PM |
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Invalidating The Protestors
March 29, 2004
Andy Obermann
Over the weekend, massive protests were staged across the nation.
Protestors, in nearly every major American city, blocked streets and
occupied public parks, picketing America's "illegal occupation" of
Iraq and failure in the War on Terror. Dismissing the logic that 10
months of freedom isn't enough time to build a government, let alone a
democracy, these activists displayed their true liberal,
appeasement-oriented agenda for all terrorists to see.
"Peace is bad. Killing is good. People who oppose killing are bad."
Insanity.
Liberalism is a failure yet you still sling to it's rotting carcass.
That's insanity.
Yeah right Adolph. Here's a clue: civilized first-world countries are
not as far out on the right wing as American idiots are. And no,
America is not the only democratic country in the world - fucking
"land of the free" my *****!!
You really are a fucking moron.
because you say so
Your politicians are own by corporations.
You are a liar.
see above
You have the highest crime
rate, drug addiction rate and poverty rate among all first world
countries.
The crime rate is higher in Europe than it is in the United States.
a) no figures, b) Europe is not one country, as many Americans seem to
think.
43 million Americans don't have health insurance, where all
other first-world countries have healthcare for all their citizens,
And their economies are suffering because of it. High unemployment,
massive social programs, and a declining working class population in
Europe is a recipe for economic collapse.
proof...?
And because there are no controls on American medicine
healthcare costs are going to continue to spiral out of control.
Socialism doesn't work. Why are you beating a dead horse?
<cough> straw man </cough>
<whooping cough> empty assertion </whooping cough>
Oh, I am sorry, I have a cold. I meant to say that that's a straw man
and an empty assertion.
And with your ridiculous 18th century constitutional ammendment giving
all American citizens the right to bear arms you have 10 times the
number of deaths by fire arms on per capita basis compared to all
other first-world nations.
Freedom of speech is an 18th century constitutional ammendment. Should we
get rid of that one too? Are you willing to put a sign on your front door
that says, "This is a gun free home"?
I can indeed say with all honesty that I would put up a sign stating
that I have no guns in my home. Would and can. No guns here.
The vast majority of gun crimes (around 95%) are committed with illegally
obtained weapons. How is prohibiting law abiding citizens from owning guns
going to prevent 95% of gun crimes committed by those who have illegally
obtained firearms?
source?
Now given that America has the toughest sentencing policies and the
death penalty not to mention making drug dealers serve their full
sentences without parole while letting violent criminals out after
serving part of their sentences, why is America still such a bloody
mess??
It's not...
....working, my dear tory nut. Your Mr. Shrub just can't do his job.
BTW, my gun crime figures, UK vs US vs Canada vs Japan were taken from
"Bowling for Columbine." No doubt you've heard of it, but here's a
link - www.michaelmoore.com
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07 Apr 2004 04:54:17 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<c51j0e$13q0$1@news.wplus.net>...
Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
And with your ridiculous 18th century
constitutional ammendment giving
all American citizens the right to
bear arms you have 10 times the
number of deaths by fire arms on
per capita basis compared to all
other first-world nations.
The vast majority of gun crimes (around 95%)
are committed with illegally obtained
weapons. How is prohibiting law abiding
citizens from owning guns going to
prevent 95% of gun crimes committed by
those who have illegally
obtained firearms?
If you keep a handgun in your home, you are
four times more likely to be killed accidentally
by this gun than from a burglars gun.
I support the right to own rifles and shotguns,
handguns are only good for killing people.
http://rileychildrenshospital.com/document.jsp?locid=1439
* In 1995 1,450 commited suicide
with guns, and 440 died in unintentional
shootings.
* Firearms killed a total of 5,285 of our
young people. National Center for Health
Statistics. 1997
* In 1994, about 70% of the murder victims
ages 15-17 years old were killed with a
handgun. Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1996
* Two in 25 high school students (7.9%) reported
having carried a gun in the last 30 days. Centers
for Disease Control, 1995
* Gunshot wounds are the second leading cause
of death for all people aged 10-34. National
Center for Health Statistics, 1993
* For every child killed by a gun, four are
wounded. Annest, Journal of the American Medical
Association, 1995
* The firearm injury epidemic, due largely to
handgun injuries, is ten times larger than
the polio epidemic of the first half of this
century. Christoffel, Children's Environments, 1995
* In 1992 the estimated cost in pain, suffering,
lost quality of life, and loss of productivity
due to gunshot violence was $113 billion.
Miller, Textbook of Penetrating Trauma, 1995
* The estimated cost of direct health care
expenditures for firearm- related injuries
in the United States in 1995 was $4 billion.
Kizer, Journal of American Medical Association, 1995
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| User: "Osprey" |
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07 Apr 2004 08:50:29 PM |
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
And with your ridiculous 18th century
constitutional ammendment giving
all American citizens the right to
bear arms you have 10 times the
number of deaths by fire arms on
per capita basis compared to all
other first-world nations.
The vast majority of gun crimes (around 95%)
are committed with illegally obtained
weapons. How is prohibiting law abiding
citizens from owning guns going to
prevent 95% of gun crimes committed by
those who have illegally
obtained firearms?
If you keep a handgun in your home, you are
four times more likely to be killed accidentally
by this gun than from a burglars gun.
I support the right to own rifles and shotguns,
handguns are only good for killing people.
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any people.
I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my guns.
I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons safely.
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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08 Apr 2004 09:44:40 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:<c51j0e$13q0$1@news.wplus.net>...
Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
And with your ridiculous 18th century
constitutional ammendment giving
all American citizens the right to
bear arms you have 10 times the
number of deaths by fire arms on
per capita basis compared to all
other first-world nations.
The vast majority of gun crimes (around 95%)
are committed with illegally obtained
weapons. How is prohibiting law abiding
citizens from owning guns going to
prevent 95% of gun crimes committed by
those who have illegally
obtained firearms?
If you keep a handgun in your home, you are
four times more likely to be killed accidentally
by this gun than from a burglars gun.
I support the right to own rifles and shotguns,
handguns are only good for killing people.
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any people.
I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my guns.
I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 Apr 2004 10:41:30 AM |
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
news:75ab6396.0404080644.6a08798f@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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Harry Back <omg@1984.com> wrote in
And with your ridiculous 18th century
constitutional ammendment giving
all American citizens the right to
bear arms you have 10 times the
number of deaths by fire arms on
per capita basis compared to all
other first-world nations.
The vast majority of gun crimes (around 95%)
are committed with illegally obtained
weapons. How is prohibiting law abiding
citizens from owning guns going to
prevent 95% of gun crimes committed by
those who have illegally
obtained firearms?
If you keep a handgun in your home, you are
four times more likely to be killed accidentally
by this gun than from a burglars gun.
I support the right to own rifles and shotguns,
handguns are only good for killing people.
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any
people.
I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my guns.
I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
Yes, they are dangerous. So are knives, hammers, and many other items that
can be found around the home.
Let me correct you on one thing though, no gun is a toy.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Of course there is a risk, as there is a risk in owning many items in your
home.
People die in their own cars more than they do by their own guns.
Point is, a person should be responsible. I would highly recommend that it
be
made mandatory that anyone wishing to purchase any firearm, that they attend
a safety course and be certified.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
It isn't unreasonable at all.
Larry
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| User: "Lawrence Seib" |
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09 Apr 2004 09:36:16 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<DIydnUwXif9q7Ojd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
Yes, they are dangerous. So are knives, hammers, and many other items that
can be found around the home.
Let me correct you on one thing though, no gun is a toy.
Look again at the static's. You are more likely to be shot
by your own gun than to prevent a crime with it. Thus you
cannot say that it protects you, that is just an illusion.
So the only benefit you receive from your gun is the pleasure
it gives you, it is a toy.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Of course there is a risk, as there is a
risk in owning many items in your home.
People die in their own cars more than they do
by their own guns. Point is, a person should
be responsible. I would highly recommend that it
be made mandatory that anyone wishing to
purchase any firearm, that they attend
a safety course and be certified.
While a car is dangerous,
its provides many benefits. A hand gun
does not provide you with many benefits,
it is just dangerous.
I am not you, perhaps the thrill of ownership
out weighs the risks, it is your right.
and perhaps you will be on the lucky side
of the statistics, and will save your life
with your gun. But that is like flipping coins,
heads I give you a dollar, tails you give me two
dollars, play long enough, and you will lose.
Larry
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09 Apr 2004 11:02:23 AM |
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On 9 Apr 2004 07:36:16 -0700, (Lawrence Seib)
wrote:
I am not you
That is the ONLY thing you have ever posted that has made any sense
whatsoever.
It is also one of the things for which I'm most thankful on the
brilliant spring day.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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08 Apr 2004 04:38:19 PM |
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Lawrence Seib wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any
people. I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my guns.
I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
You wouldn't like the gun my father owns. It's a late 18th century
Gattling Gun. My g-grandfather bought it at an auction for $50.00. It's a
real thing of beauty!
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 Apr 2004 06:20:03 PM |
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"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:fDjdc.1535$k05.627@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Lawrence Seib wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any
people. I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my guns.
I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
You wouldn't like the gun my father owns. It's a late 18th century
Gattling Gun. My g-grandfather bought it at an auction for $50.00. It's
a
real thing of beauty!
Hold on to that!!!
I have the handgun my grandfather took from a dead German soldiers hand
during WWII
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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08 Apr 2004 06:21:19 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:fDjdc.1535$k05.627@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Lawrence Seib wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any
people. I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my
guns. I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons
safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
You wouldn't like the gun my father owns. It's a late 18th century
Gattling Gun. My g-grandfather bought it at an auction for $50.00.
It's a real thing of beauty!
Hold on to that!!!
My family still owns it, but my grandfather put it on permanent loan to the
Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. It's a good trade, they get a show piece and
we get free cleaning and upkeep. :)
I have the handgun my grandfather took from a dead German soldiers
hand during WWII
Yeah, my uncles came home with a few souveniers from WWII.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 Apr 2004 06:29:30 PM |
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"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:fDjdc.1535$k05.627@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Lawrence Seib wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any
people. I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my
guns. I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons
safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
You wouldn't like the gun my father owns. It's a late 18th century
Gattling Gun. My g-grandfather bought it at an auction for $50.00.
It's a real thing of beauty!
Hold on to that!!!
My family still owns it, but my grandfather put it on permanent loan to
the
Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. It's a good trade, they get a show piece
and
we get free cleaning and upkeep. :)
Good point. Even though they have it on display it is still in your
family's name right?
I have the handgun my grandfather took from a dead German soldiers
hand during WWII
Yeah, my uncles came home with a few souveniers from WWII.
Yea, we have a map he had, a nazi arm band, the handgun, coins.
A lot of treasures he kept from WWII
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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08 Apr 2004 06:54:40 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:P7ldc.2165$A_4.220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:fDjdc.1535$k05.627@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Lawrence Seib wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any
people. I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my
guns. I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons
safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
You wouldn't like the gun my father owns. It's a late 18th
century Gattling Gun. My g-grandfather bought it at an auction
for $50.00. It's a real thing of beauty!
Hold on to that!!!
My family still owns it, but my grandfather put it on permanent loan
to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. It's a good trade, they get a
show piece and we get free cleaning and upkeep. :)
Good point. Even though they have it on display it is still in your
family's name right?
Yes. My family still owns it. Not long after my grandfather died, my dad
had it appraised. A collector would've, at that time, paid $16,000 for it.
That was about 25 years ago though. I don't have a picture of it, but I
found a picture of a replica on the net.
http://seagifts.com/seagifts/brispircanre.html
We had the gun, but not the wagon, the Museum had the wagon that was
designed to carry the weapon, but no gun. So grandfather donated the gun
to put the two together. If one had both the gun and the wagon, a collector
would give $45,000.00, as of the apraisal given 25 years ago.
From what I heard about the gun itself, it was a vast improvement over
earlier models, less likely to jam or overheat. The brass plating was
designed to disperse heat quicker. For the soldiers, it was more hell
because you were now expected to keep the thing shining. LOL!
I have the handgun my grandfather took from a dead German soldiers
hand during WWII
Yeah, my uncles came home with a few souveniers from WWII.
Yea, we have a map he had, a nazi arm band, the handgun, coins.
A lot of treasures he kept from WWII
I don't remember what-in-all my uncles had, except the Luger and a license
plate that he swore was off of Goering's car, but I don't know if that was
ever verified. As my uncles got older, their war stories became more....
embellished... :o)
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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08 Apr 2004 07:37:53 PM |
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"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:P7ldc.2165$A_4.220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:fDjdc.1535$k05.627@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Lawrence Seib wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any
people. I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my
guns. I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons
safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
You wouldn't like the gun my father owns. It's a late 18th
century Gattling Gun. My g-grandfather bought it at an auction
for $50.00. It's a real thing of beauty!
Hold on to that!!!
My family still owns it, but my grandfather put it on permanent loan
to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. It's a good trade, they get a
show piece and we get free cleaning and upkeep. :)
Good point. Even though they have it on display it is still in your
family's name right?
Yes. My family still owns it. Not long after my grandfather died, my
dad
had it appraised. A collector would've, at that time, paid $16,000 for
it.
That was about 25 years ago though. I don't have a picture of it, but I
found a picture of a replica on the net.
http://seagifts.com/seagifts/brispircanre.html
We had the gun, but not the wagon, the Museum had the wagon that was
designed to carry the weapon, but no gun. So grandfather donated the gun
to put the two together. If one had both the gun and the wagon, a
collector
would give $45,000.00, as of the apraisal given 25 years ago.
From what I heard about the gun itself, it was a vast improvement over
earlier models, less likely to jam or overheat. The brass plating was
designed to disperse heat quicker. For the soldiers, it was more hell
because you were now expected to keep the thing shining. LOL!
They had a segment on the History channel on this gun not too long ago.
It has an amazing history behind it.
I have the handgun my grandfather took from a dead German soldiers
hand during WWII
Yeah, my uncles came home with a few souveniers from WWII.
Yea, we have a map he had, a nazi arm band, the handgun, coins.
A lot of treasures he kept from WWII
I don't remember what-in-all my uncles had, except the Luger and a license
plate that he swore was off of Goering's car, but I don't know if that was
ever verified. As my uncles got older, their war stories became more....
embellished... :o)
Yea, I remember the war stories myself. I think often about what our men
and women are going through
right now, our grandfathers and uncles went through that 60 years ago
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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08 Apr 2004 10:07:30 PM |
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Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:4Dldc.2186$A_4.989@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
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Lawrence Seib wrote:
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed
any people. I am not worried about those statistics, I will
keep my guns. I like to hunt and sport shoot.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons
safely.
Like I said, I support the right to own rifles and shotguns.
I will support your right to own handguns, even though
they are just dangerous toys.
I think that you should realize however that there
is a risk involved in keeping these things,
even for experts.
Even though I will defend your rights, I think a 30 day
waiting period for background checks is not unreasonble.
Larry
You wouldn't like the gun my father owns. It's a late 18th
century Gattling Gun. My g-grandfather bought it at an auction
for $50.00. It's a real thing of beauty!
Hold on to that!!!
My family still owns it, but my grandfather put it on permanent
loan to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. It's a good trade,
they get a show piece and we get free cleaning and upkeep. :)
Good point. Even though they have it on display it is still in your
family's name right?
Yes. My family still owns it. Not long after my grandfather
died, my dad had it appraised. A collector would've, at that time,
paid $16,000 for it. That was about 25 years ago though. I don't
have a picture of it, but I found a picture of a replica on the net.
http://seagifts.com/seagifts/brispircanre.html
We had the gun, but not the wagon, the Museum had the wagon that was
designed to carry the weapon, but no gun. So grandfather donated
the gun to put the two together. If one had both the gun and the
wagon, a collector would give $45,000.00, as of the apraisal given
25 years ago.
From what I heard about the gun itself, it was a vast improvement
over earlier models, less likely to jam or overheat. The brass
plating was designed to disperse heat quicker. For the soldiers,
it was more hell because you were now expected to keep the thing
shining. LOL!
They had a segment on the History channel on this gun not too long
ago. It has an amazing history behind it.
Really? I'd love to see it. I don't watch much television, except for
"The Apprentice", which I'm hooked on, and the evening news.
I have the handgun my grandfather took from a dead German soldiers
hand during WWII
Yeah, my uncles came home with a few souveniers from WWII.
Yea, we have a map he had, a nazi arm band, the handgun, coins.
A lot of treasures he kept from WWII
I don't remember what-in-all my uncles had, except the Luger and a
license plate that he swore was off of Goering's car, but I don't
know if that was ever verified. As my uncles got older, their war
stories became more.... embellished... :o)
Yea, I remember the war stories myself. I think often about what our
men and women are going through
right now, our grandfathers and uncles went through that 60 years ago
I've had a family member in every war from the Revolution, or farther back
if you care to go to The Jacobite Rebellion, or that's as far back as I
traced them. My Grandfather, seven times removed, fought with his father
in the Battle of Culloden Field, so did his 15 year old son. He was killed
and his son was captured by the British. The son was imprisoned, and later
sent to N. Carolina. as an indebtured servant. He apparently got sick of
that, and escaped after a year or so to Virginia. Much later, He then
served in the Revolutionary war:
"DANIEL TRIGG'S MILITIA 31 Mar 1781
31st March 1781
Daniel Trigg, Capt.
Israel Lorton, Lieut.
Samuel McGehee, Lieut.
Albert Bright, Insn:
John Elswick, Sergt. [CI: Eliwick]
Archibald Thompson, Sergt.
William Lawson, Sergt not fit [CI: Sanren]
Faulkner Elliot, Sergt. [CI: Falkner]
Of all enlistees, some being too old (age 50-70) for duty but could serve in
some capacity, only 50 enlistees were fit for duty."
By that time, however, William Lawson was 50+ years old and was deemed unfit
for combat duty, but served in a support capacity for Trigg's Militia. His
son, William Lawson Jr. also served, but I haven't been able to find out
where he served.
I've always wished I could go back in time and talk to him.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<d_KdnTcTEu6MMundRVn-ug@comcast.com>...
I own shotguns, rifles, and handguns.
My guns have never killed any people.
It would be quite startling to see your guns running
off by themselves to start killing.
I also am licensed to carry, again, my guns have never killed any people.
A license to carry a gun is not the same as a license
to kill.
I am not worried about those statistics, I will keep my guns.
I like to hunt and sport shoot.
So you like to shoot defenseless animals for kicks. How nice.
I am also well qualified and trained on how to handle weapons safely.
Which doesn't mean that you won't make a mistake and set
off a gun by accident... or accidentely kill someone else
(for instance, by thinking they are a deer).
RS
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