Religions > Atheism > Some insights into what's going on in Iraq you don't get on the news
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"Bill Case" |
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Some insights into what's going on in Iraq you don't get on the news |
The big overlooked issue in this campaign is Bush's incompetence in the Iraq
occupation that is consuming US troop's lives and huge amounts of money.
It's hard to see how this mess Bush has created can lead to anything good
for the US in the future.
Here's an article that gives some good insights into what's going on in one
critical region.
INSURGENCY In Western Iraq, Fundamentalists Hold U.S. at Bay
By JOHN F. BURNS and ERIK ECKHOLM
Published: August 29, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 28 - While American troops have been battling Islamic
militants to an uncertain outcome in Najaf, the Shiite holy city, events in
two Sunni Muslim cities that stand astride the crucial western approaches to
Baghdad have moved significantly against American plans to build a secular
democracy in Iraq.
Both of the cities, Falluja and Ramadi, and much of Anbar Province, are now
controlled by fundamentalist militias, with American troops confined mainly
to heavily protected forts on the desert's edge. What little influence the
Americans have is asserted through wary forays in armored vehicles, and by
laser-guided bombs that obliterate enemy safe houses identified by scouts
who penetrate militant ranks. Even bombing raids appear to strengthen the
fundamentalists, who blame the Americans for scores of civilian deaths.
American efforts to build a government structure around former Baath Party
stalwarts - officials of Saddam Hussein's army, police force and bureaucracy
who were willing to work with the United States - have collapsed. Instead,
the former Hussein loyalists, under threat of beheadings, kidnappings and
humiliation, have mostly resigned or defected to the fundamentalists, or
been killed. Enforcers for the old government, including former Republican
Guard officers, have put themselves in the service of fundamentalist clerics
they once tortured at Abu Ghraib.
In the past three weeks, three former Hussein loyalists appointed to
important posts in Falluja and Ramadi have been eliminated by the militants
and their Baathist allies. The chief of a battalion of the American-trained
Iraqi National Guard in Falluja was beheaded by the militants, prompting the
disintegration of guard forces in the city. The Anbar governor was forced to
resign after his three sons were kidnapped. The third official, the
provincial police chief in Ramadi, was lured to his arrest by American
marines after three assassination attempts led him to secretly defect to the
rebel cause.
The national guard commander and the governor were both forced into
humiliating confessions, denouncing themselves as "traitors" on videotapes
that sell in the Falluja marketplace for 50 cents. The tapes show masked men
ending the guard commander's halting monologue, toppling him to the ground,
and sawing off his head, to the accompaniment of recorded Koranic chants
ordaining death for those who "make war upon Allah." The governor is shown
with a photograph of himself with an American officer, sobbing as he repents
working with the "infidel Americans," then being rewarded with a weeping
reunion with his sons.
In another taped sequence available in the Falluja market, a mustached man
identifying himself as an Egyptian is shown kneeling in a flowered shirt,
confessing that he "worked as a spy for the Americans," planting electronic
"chips" used for setting targets in American bombing raids. The man says he
was paid $150 for each chip laid, then he, too, is tackled to the ground by
masked guards while a third masked man, a burly figure who proclaims himself
a dispenser of Islamic justice, pulls a 12-inch knife from a scabbard, grabs
the Egyptian by the scalp, and severs his head.
The situation across Anbar represents the latest reversal for the First
Marine Expeditionary Force, which sought to assert control with a spring
offensive in Falluja and Ramadi that incurred some of the heaviest American
casualties of the war, and a far heavier toll, in the hundreds, among
Falluja's resistance fighters and civilians. The offensive ended,
mortifyingly for the marines, in a decision to pull back from both cities
and entrust American hopes to the former Baathists.
The American rationale was that military victory would come only by
flattening the two cities, and that the better course lay in handing
important government positions to former loyalists of the ousted government,
who would work, over time, to wrest control from the Islamic militants who
had emerged from the shadows to build strongholds there. The culmination of
that approach came with the recruitment of the so-called Falluja Brigade,
led by a former Army general under Mr. Hussein, and composed of a motley
assembly of former Iraqi soldiers and insurgents, who marched into the city
in early May, wearing old Iraqi military uniforms, backed with
American-supplied weapons and money.
But the Falluja Brigade is in tatters now, reduced to sharing tented
checkpoints on roads into the city with the militants, its headquarters in
Falluja abandoned, like the buildings assigned to the national guard. Men
assigned to the brigade, and to the two guard battalions, have mostly fled,
Iraqis in Falluja say, taking their families with them, and handing their
weapons to the militants.
The militants' principal power center is a mosque in Falluja led by an Iraqi
cleric, Abdullah al-Janabi, who has instituted a Taliban-like rule in the
city, rounding up people suspected of theft and rape and sentencing them to
publicly administered lashes, and, in some cases, beheading. But Mr. Janabi
appears to have been working in alliance with an Islamic militant group,
Unity and Holy War, that American intelligence has identified as the vehicle
of Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born terrorist with links to Al
Qaeda whom the Americans have blamed for many of the suicide bombings in
Baghdad, which is just 35 miles from Falluja, and in other Iraqi cities.
The videotapes showing the killing of the guard commander, the humiliation
of the governor, and the beheading of the Egyptian all display the
black-and-yellow flag of the Zarqawi group as a backdrop, and the passages
of the Koran chanted as an accompaniment to the killings are drawn from
passages of the Muslim holy book that have accompanied some of the
videotaped pronouncements by Qaeda leaders, including Osama bin Laden.
Iraqis who have watched the Falluja tapes say the Egyptian's executioner
speaks in a cultured Arabic that is foreign, possibly Jordanian or
Palestinian.
A Severe Blow in Falluja
Perhaps the harshest blow to the American position in Falluja came with the
Aug. 13 execution of the national guard commander, Suleiman Mar'awi, a
former officer in Mr. Hussein's army with family roots in Falluja. In the
tape of his killing, he is seen in his camouflaged national guard uniform,
with an Iraqi flag at his shoulder, confessing to his leadership of a plot
to stage an uprising in the city on Aug. 20 that was to have been
coordinated with an American offensive. For that purpose, he says, he
recruited defectors among the militants' ranks and met frequently with
Marine commanders outside the city to settle details of the attack.
American commanders in Baghdad acknowledged ruefully that Mr. Mar'awi had
been killed, but they denied that there was any plan for an offensive.
Still, Marine commanders at Camp Falluja, a sprawling base less than five
miles east of the city, have been telling reporters for weeks that the city
has become little more than a terrorist camp, providing a haven for Iraqi
militants and for scores of non-Iraqi Arabs, many of them with ties to Al
Qaeda, who have homed in on Falluja as the ideal base to conduct a holy war
against the United States. Eventually, the Marine officers have said,
American hopes of creating stability in Iraq will necessitate a new attack
on the city, this time one that will not be halted before it can succeed.
Some of those officers have also acknowledged that Iraqi "scouts" working
for the Americans, some disguised as militants, others working for the
national guard and police, have been a source of intelligence on militant
activities in Falluja, and on the location of bombing targets. The American
command says it has carried out many bombing raids since the Marine pullback
from the city in May, killing scores of militants. One such raid that was
reported this week in a popular Baghdad newspaper, Al-Adala, said that 13
Yemenis had been killed in an air raid in Falluja as they prepared to carry
out suicide bombing attacks in Baghdad, and that the Yemeni government was
negotiating to bring the bodies home.
Among militants in Falluja, there has been one point of agreement with the
Americans - that many of the bombing raids have hit militant safe houses,
and with pinpoint accuracy. A clue as to how this has been possible is given
in the tapes of the beheadings of Mr. Mar'awi, the national guard commander,
and of the Egyptian, a man in his mid-30's who identifies himself on the
tape as Muhammad Fawazi. Both men confess to having planted electronic
homing "chips" for the Americans. As they speak, the tapes show a man
wearing a red-checkered kaffiyeh headdress holding a rectangular device,
colored green and encased in clear plastic, about the size of a matchbox.
The tape of Mr. Fawazi's execution breaks from the scene of the Egyptian
kneeling in confession to a combat-camera film from a bombing raid on
Falluja that has been posted on numerous Internet Web sites in recent weeks.
The black-and-white tape, giving the pilot's eye view, shows a district of
Falluja on a moonlit night, with the targeting crosshairs fixed on a large,
low building across the street from a mosque, whose minaret throws a moon
shadow onto the street. The sound of the pilot breathing into his mask can
be clearly heard, with an exchange with a controller that speaks for the
nonchalance of modern warfare.
"I have numerous individuals on the road, do you want me to take them out?"
the pilot asks as the tape shows about 40 men coming out of the building and
heading down the street away from the mosque, toward what some Web site
accounts said was a firefight between militants and American troops.
After a pause, the controller replies, saying, "Take them out."
The pilot, having fired his weapon, begins the countdown. "Ten seconds," he
says.
"Roger," the controller replies. The combat camera swings suddenly,
picturing the scene from behind the men below. A huge blast of smoke and
flame erupts on the road, enveloping the men, as the pilot cries "Impact!"
The controller then closes the exchange. "Oh dude!" he says, with what
appears to be a chuckle.
The execution tape then shifts to scenes of devastation after an air attack
on Falluja. It shows a crater, rubble, people piling up belongings, injured
being carried into a hospital, and distraught-looking groups of civilians,
including children. Shifting back to Mr. Fawazi, it shows him with his hands
tied behind his back, looking downcast at the ground, then nervously toward
the camera, as the heavyset man towering over him quotes passages from the
Koran ordaining death. "He who will abide by the Koran will prosper, he who
offends against it will get the sword," he says, his right forefinger
pumping in the air, pointing first to heaven, then down to Mr. Fawazi.
"The only reward for those who make war on Allah and on Muhammad, his
messenger, and plunge into corruption, will be to be killed or crucified, or
have their hands and feet severed on alternate sides, or be expelled from
the land," the man says. With that, the two gunmen flanking the executioner
shout "Allahu akbar!" God is great, drop their Kalashnikovs and tumble Mr.
Fawazi face down on the ground. The killer pulls his knife from behind a
magazine belt on his chest, grabs Mr. Fawazi by the hair, severs his head,
holds it up briefly to the camera, then places it between his rope-tied
hands on his back.
Police Chief Presumed Corrupt
On Aug. 21, the Marine headquarters issued a brief news release. The police
chief of Anbar, Ja'adan Muhammad Alwan, had been arrested that day in Ramadi
on suspicion of "corruption and involvement in criminal activities to
include accepting bribes, extortion, embezzling funds, as well as possible
connections with kidnapping and murder." A Marine spokesman, Lt. Eric Knapp,
declined to offer more details of Mr. Alwan's charges, beyond saying,
"everyone knew he was corrupt."
In the Hussein years, Mr. Alwan was a senior police officer and also a
high-ranking Baathist, people who knew him at the time say. But unlike many
Iraqis who prospered under Mr. Hussein, those Ramadi residents said, he had
never been known as a thug. When the Americans arrived, leaders of a local
clan that had secretly cooperated with the invaders vouched for him. But
soon, one Ramadi resident said, "People started to hate him because he was
too cooperative with the Americans." Repeated death threats followed, and
the three assassination attempts. The third, in May, especially shook him,
acquaintances said, because he survived a rocket attack on his car, but his
eldest son lost a leg.
Soon after, the verdict on the streets of Ramadi about the police chief
began to change. Although he may have raked in illegal profits, Ramadi
people say, he also began cooperating with Islamic militants, even passing
American military plans to them. Although such claims are unverifiable, the
assassination attempts stopped. But so too, last week, did Mr. Alwan's
tenure as police chief. The Marines say that his arrest followed a
three-to-five month investigation, that "countless government officials were
afraid of him" and that the provincial chief "contributed to crime and
instability."
Asked whether Mr. Anbar was also charged with aiding the insurrection, Lt.
Knapp, the spokesman, said tersely by e-mail, "We are investigating
suspected ties to the insurgency." Lt. Knapp described how the police chief
was lured to captivity. "To avoid bloodshed and to make the arrest as clean
as possible," he wrote, a Marine officer who had been working with the
police invited him to a meeting in an American camp. On his arrival at the
gate he climbed into a car where he was advised of his arrest. The e-mail
message concluded, "He was then removed from the vehicle, handcuffed, and
blackout goggles were put on him for security reasons."
Sabotage by Humiliation
In the case of the provincial governor, Abdulkarim Berjes, Mr. Zarqawi's
group, Unity and Holy War, appears to have decided that it could achieve its
ends, nullifying American efforts to build governing institutions in the
province, by humiliating him - a punishment many Iraqi men regard as worse
than death. They then passed the videotape to the Arab satellite news
channel Al Jazeera, the most-watched channel in Iraq. "He cried like a
woman," one of the Iraqis who watched the tape said, after viewing the
governor's reunion with his kidnapped sons in a militant safe house.
At the end of June, Mr. Berjes, a former Anbar police chief under Mr.
Hussein, complained in a discussion at Camp Falluja, the Marine base, that
his government was riddled with agents of the resistance. "I can no longer
trust anybody," Mr. Berjes said in a farewell meeting with L. Paul Bremer
III, the departing leader of the American occupation authority. "I don't
know if people are working for me, or for the resistance."
Mr. Berjes was visibly shaken, having survived an insurgent ambush on his
motorcade as he drove in his old American limousine to the Marine base from
Ramadi.
In fact, Iraqis in Anbar say, the governor had become a despised figure, for
the same reason as Mr. Alwan, the Anbar police chief - because he too
enthusiastically embraced the Americans and took to calling the resistance
fighters "terrorists." Following a common ritual among the resistance,
militants sent him a note of formal warning, paraphrased by those who say
they had been told about it as saying: "We are watching you. Remember that
we consider anybody who cooperates with the Americans a traitor, to be
killed under Islamic law."
On July 28, assailants entered the governor's residence in Ramadi, snatching
his three grown sons and setting fire to the house. The governor got his
final warning: repent and resign, or your sons die. His capitulation was
broadcast on Aug. 6, in the video now circulating in Anbar markets. Standing
under the Zarqawi group's flag, he glumly recites: "I announce my repentance
before God and you for any deeds I have committed against the holy warriors
or in aid of the infidel Americans. I announce my resignation at this
moment. All governors and employees who work with infidel Americans should
quit because these jobs are against Islam and Iraqis."
As the governor is reunited with his sons, a voice on the tape recites the
Zarqawi group's attacks on public officials in the past three months. "We
killed the president of the Iraqi Governing Council, and then the deputy
minister of the interior," the voice says. "The minister of justice survived
our attack, but we killed the governor of Mosul. And now we have captured
the governor of Anbar. The list is just beginning, and is far from
finished.'' More than three weeks after Mr. Berjes resigned, the government
of Ayad Allawi, seemingly hard put to find anyone to take the job, has yet
to appoint a successor.
American commanders confess they have no answers in Anbar, and say their
strategy is to curb the militants' ability to project their violence farther
afield, especially in Baghdad. A recent meeting between Iraq's interim prime
minister, Dr. Allawi, and a delegation of tribal sheiks from Falluja who
have pledged fealty to Mr. Janabi is said to have reached a standstill
accord, with Dr. Allawi promising not to sanction large-scale American
attacks on the Anbar cities, and the sheiks conveying Mr. Janabi's pledge to
halt militant attacks on the Americans.
But leaving the militants in control could pose a disabling threat to
American political plans, which may already have been shaken more than
American officials will admit by events in Najaf. Top American officials say
that events there, with Moktada al-Sadr's militiamen finally driven from the
Imam Ali Shrine, have set the stage for a turn in American fortunes across
the Shiite heartland of Iraq. But even there the prospects seem deeply
clouded by the failure to effectively disarm Mr. Sadr's surviving fighters
as they left the shrine with shouldered rifles and donkey carts loaded with
rockets.
Mr. Sadr has signed a new pledge to join the democratic political process
that will be the final measure of American success here. But he has
abrogated similar undertakings, and many of his fighters vowed to take up
arms again. Coupled with the militants' control in Anbar, that could
unsettle plans for elections scheduled across Iraq by the end of January -
the next crucial step toward a fully elected government by January 2006, an
event American officials see as a way station on the path to a draw down or
withdrawal of the 140,000 American troops here.
Those Americans say a rapid buildup of the new Iraqi Army, the national
guard and the police, coupled with gathering momentum in "turning dirt" on
the thousands of reconstruction projects financed by $18-billion in American
money, should eventually improve security across Iraq. But the Americans
acknowledge that a full, nationwide election in January may not be possible.
For now, they have identified 15 cities across the Arab parts of Iraq that
they contend can be stabilized to make voting in January possible. For the
moment, they say, Falluja and Ramadi are not among them.
Iraqi staff members of The New York Timesin Baghdad contributed reporting
for this article.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Some insights into what's going on in Iraq you don't get on thenews |
07 Sep 2004 12:46:36 PM |
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Bill Case wrote:
The big overlooked issue in this campaign is Bush's incompetence in the Iraq
occupation that is consuming US troop's lives and huge amounts of money.
It's hard to see how this mess Bush has created can lead to anything good
for the US in the future.
Here's an article that gives some good insights into what's going on in one
critical region.
Try some Fisk........
http://www.flashpoints.net/#the_last_five_shows
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "Bernardz" |
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30 Aug 2004 06:28:02 AM |
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In article <c9nYc.1760$8d1.1319@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Billd548@Hotmail.com says...
It's hard to see how this mess Bush has created can lead to anything good
for the US in the future.
People have already forgotten that it was a mess before Bush came along.
Under Clinton they were policing the no-fly zone and getting shot at and
as well as that bombing regularly. Also it was clear now that Saddam was
not interested in providing relief for his hungry Iraqi children and
quite happy exporting medical and food supplies for his own purposes.
Also that the UN were quite willing to go alone with this as long as
they got paid off Saddam.
--
These is always a page that we are looking for and there is always a
note, that we have lost that we now really need now.
Observations of Bernard - No 66
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Some insights into what's going on in Iraq you don't get on the news |
30 Aug 2004 12:36:20 PM |
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"Bernardz" <Bernard_zzz@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b9dba484bc7e334989b27@news...
In article <c9nYc.1760$8d1.1319@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Billd548@Hotmail.com says...
It's hard to see how this mess Bush has created can lead to anything
good
for the US in the future.
People have already forgotten that it was a mess before Bush came along.
Under Clinton they were policing the no-fly zone and getting shot at and
as well as that bombing regularly. Also it was clear now that Saddam was
not interested in providing relief for his hungry Iraqi children and
quite happy exporting medical and food supplies for his own purposes.
Also that the UN were quite willing to go alone with this as long as
they got paid off Saddam.
Dummy, the article isn't about humanitarianism.
It's about the place having turned into a quagmire for the US.
--
These is always a page that we are looking for and there is always a
note, that we have lost that we now really need now.
Observations of Bernard - No 66
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| User: "Bernardz" |
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| Title: Re: Some insights into what's going on in Iraq you don't get on the news |
04 Sep 2004 08:20:37 AM |
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In article <oAJYc.2786$8d1.1132@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Billd548@Hotmail.com says...
"Bernardz" <Bernard_zzz@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b9dba484bc7e334989b27@news...
In article <c9nYc.1760$8d1.1319@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Billd548@Hotmail.com says...
It's hard to see how this mess Bush has created can lead to anything
good
for the US in the future.
People have already forgotten that it was a mess before Bush came along.
Under Clinton they were policing the no-fly zone and getting shot at and
as well as that bombing regularly. Also it was clear now that Saddam was
not interested in providing relief for his hungry Iraqi children and
quite happy exporting medical and food supplies for his own purposes.
Also that the UN were quite willing to go alone with this as long as
they got paid off Saddam.
Dummy, the article isn't about humanitarianism.
It's about the place having turned into a quagmire for the US.
--
These is always a page that we are looking for and there is always a
note, that we have lost that we now really need now.
Observations of Bernard - No 66
Never said anything about humanitarianism. Maybe you should do a basic
reading comprehension course before posting in these forums.
--
These is always a page that we are looking for and there is always a
note, that we have lost that we now really need now.
Observations of Bernard - No 66
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Some insights into what's going on in Iraq you don't get on the news |
04 Sep 2004 11:53:33 AM |
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"Bernardz" <Bernard_zzz@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ba46c30b16dad1d989b2e@news...
In article <oAJYc.2786$8d1.1132@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Billd548@Hotmail.com says...
"Bernardz" <Bernard_zzz@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b9dba484bc7e334989b27@news...
In article <c9nYc.1760$8d1.1319@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Billd548@Hotmail.com says...
It's hard to see how this mess Bush has created can lead to anything
good
for the US in the future.
People have already forgotten that it was a mess before Bush came
along.
Under Clinton they were policing the no-fly zone and getting shot at
and
as well as that bombing regularly. Also it was clear now that Saddam
was
not interested in providing relief for his hungry Iraqi children and
quite happy exporting medical and food supplies for his own purposes.
Also that the UN were quite willing to go alone with this as long as
they got paid off Saddam.
Dummy, the article isn't about humanitarianism.
It's about the place having turned into a quagmire for the US.
--
These is always a page that we are looking for and there is always a
note, that we have lost that we now really need now.
Observations of Bernard - No 66
Never said anything about humanitarianism. Maybe you should do a basic
reading comprehension course before posting in these forums.
Read your own post, stupid.
as well as that bombing regularly. Also it was clear now that Saddam
was
not interested in providing relief for his hungry Iraqi children and
quite happy exporting medical and food supplies for his own purposes.
Also that the UN were quite willing to go alone with this as long as
they got paid off Saddam.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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30 Aug 2004 07:20:56 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:28:02 +1000, Bernardz
<Bernard_zzz@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
In article <c9nYc.1760$8d1.1319@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Billd548@Hotmail.com says...
It's hard to see how this mess Bush has created can lead to anything good
for the US in the future.
People have already forgotten that it was a mess before Bush came along.
Under Clinton they were policing the no-fly zone and getting shot at and
as well as that bombing regularly. Also it was clear now that Saddam was
not interested in providing relief for his hungry Iraqi children and
quite happy exporting medical and food supplies for his own purposes.
Also that the UN were quite willing to go alone with this as long as
they got paid off Saddam.
Why do they pretend that a decade of sanctions and radiation due to
DU munitions had nothing to do with it?
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