Religions > Atheism > some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes
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26 Aug 2004 09:41:33 PM |
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some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes |
Robert G. Ingersoll on Pornography
(A man born merely fifty seven years after America was born)
Excerpt from:
http://www.sharonmooney.us/ingersoll-on-porn.html
Robert G. Ingersoll was an Agnostic and freethinker, which based his beliefs
and teachings upon a clear understanding of the founding father's intent for
the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Shall anyone say Col. Ingersoll was ignorant of the Law?
"Robert Green Ingersoll, who was known throughout the world as Col. Robt. G.
Ingersoll, was born in the year 1833 in the city of Dresden, State of New
York. He was the son of a Congregational minister who had a good church and
was very broad in his views. This accounts in a great measure for the vast
fund of biblical knowledge possessed by Robert, as even when a boy, he
displayed remarkable powers of argument among his acquaintances. Early in
his life, he, with his brother, took up the study of law and located at
Shawneetown, Illinois, where they had a prosperous practice.
Source: "Forty Four Complete Lectures" M.A. Donohue & Co, 1924
It can be safely concluded Ingersoll, by no means, was ignorant of the Law,
neither the Constitution of the United States, neither the meaning or intent
of "Freedom of Speech".
Any informed freethinker, would agree that Ingersoll was on the forefront of
the human rights movement, especially those for women, as in the following
example:
"We demand, next, that women be put upon an equality with man. Why not? Why
shouldn't men be decent enough in the management of politics of the country
for women to mingle with them? It is an outrage that any one should live in
this country for sixty or seventy years and be forced to obey the laws
without having any voice in making them. Let us give woman the opportunity
to care for herself, since men are not decent enough to seek to care for
her. The time will come when we'll treat a woman that works and takes care
of two or three children as well as a woman dressed in diamonds who does
nothing. The time will come when we'll not tell our domestic we expect to
meet her in heaven, and yet not be willing to have her speak to us in the
drawing-room."
-Robert Ingersoll, "Forty Four Complete Lectures: Human Rights", M.A.
Donohue & Co, 1924
Robert Ingersoll held high regards and respect for women and the women's
rights movement. As one can see (below) Ingersoll by no means, believed a
man should have access to lust after, more than the one woman. That woman
being the one he was married and committed to -- for life, family, and home.
Clear insight into the meaning of what the Constitution originally intended
in regards to Freedom of Speech vs. Pornography (the mass exploitation of
females). Ingersoll would roll over in his grave to see the vile levels the
Secular Freethought community has sank to within only a little more than a
century. He would have been aghast at the liberal lawyers defending
pornographic smut as "legitimate free speech". Ingersoll was clear about his
beliefs in Human Dignity and Respect. He stood against the plundering and
degradation of any group of people.
Ingersoll on Monogamy
"They say that it is morally inspired. Well, let us examine it. I want to be
fair about this thing, because I am willing to stake my salvation or
damnation on this question, whether the Bible is true or not. I say it is
not; and upon that I am willing to wager my soul. Is there a woman here who
believes in the institution of polygamy? Is there a man here who believes in
that infamy? You say: "No; we do not." Then you are better than your God was
four thousand years ago. Four thousand years ago He believed in it, taught
it and upheld it. I pronounce it and denounce it the infamies of infamies.
It robs our language of every sweet and tender word in it. It takes the
fireside away forever. It takes the meaning out of the words father, mother,
sister, brother, and turns the temple of love into a vile den where crawl
the slimy snakes of lust and hatred. I was in Utah a little while ago, and
was on the mountain where God used to talk to Brigham Young. He never said
anything to me. I said it was just as reasonable that God in the nineteenth
century would talk to a polygamist in Utah as it was that four thousand
years ago, on Mount Sinai, he talked to Moses upon that hellish and damnable
question.
I have no love for any God who believes in polygamy. There is no heaven on
this earth save where the one woman loves the one man and the one man loves
the one woman. I guess it is not inspired on the polygamy question.
-Robert Ingersoll, "Forty Four Complete Lectures: Mistakes of Moses", M.A.
Donohue & Co, 1924
Ingersoll on Sexual Lust
Here is something from the Old Testament:
"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and they Lord thy God
hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou has taken them captive, And
seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that
thou wouldst have her to wife, Then thou shalt bring her home to thine
house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails." (Deut. XXI.,
10,11,12.)
That is in self-defense, I suppose! (Cheers and laughter.)
This sacred book, this foundation of human liberty, or morality, does it
teach concubinage and polygamy? Read the thirty-first chapter of Numbers,
read the twenty-first chapter of Deuteronomy, read the blessed lives of
Abraham, of David or of Solomon, and then tell me that the sacred Scripture
does not teach polygamy and concubinage? All the language of the world is
not sufficient to express the infamy of polygamy; it makes man a beast and
woman a stone. It destroys the fireside and makes virtue an outcast. And yet
it is the doctrine of the Bible. The doctrine defended by Luther and
Melanthon! It takes from our language those sweetest words father, husband,
wife, and mother, and takes us back to barbarism and fills our hearts with
the crawling, slimy serpents of loathsome lust.
-Robert Ingersoll, "Forty Four Complete Lectures: Hell", M.A. Donohue & Co,
1924
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes |
25 Aug 2004 04:22:32 AM |
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In article <P%SWc.37826$rP2.35202@hydra.nntpserver.com>,
"Sharon" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
Robert G. Ingersoll on Pornography
(A man born merely fifty seven years after America was born)
Excerpt from:
http://www.sharonmooney.us/ingersoll-on-porn.html
Robert G. Ingersoll was an Agnostic and freethinker, which based his beliefs
and teachings upon a clear understanding of the founding father's intent for
the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Shall anyone say Col. Ingersoll was ignorant of the Law?
Um... what exactly is your point? I saw nothing in the quotes you
provided that I would disagree with, let alone "cringe at."
--
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes |
25 Aug 2004 07:42:20 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:33 -0400 in episode
<P%SWc.37826$rP2.35202@hydra.nntpserver.com> we saw our hero "Sharon"
<nospam@nospam.com>:
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Interestingly enough, none of the quotes actually appear to mention porn...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Often anger is a sign of engagement with life. People who
are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
the will to live." -- Rachel Naomi Remen
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes |
25 Aug 2004 11:04:17 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> writes:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:33 -0400 in episode
<P%SWc.37826$rP2.35202@hydra.nntpserver.com> we saw our hero "Sharon"
<nospam@nospam.com>:
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Interestingly enough, none of the quotes actually appear to mention porn...
That was my reaction. I have no doubt Ingersoll would have
windmills to tilt at in these days, but Ingersoll's concern was about
the allocation of force to keep women in their place. Porn is hardly
that.
Elf
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| User: "Rob Brown" |
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| Title: Re: some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes |
25 Aug 2004 12:01:22 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:ZpOdnUMF4r2xFLHcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:33 -0400 in episode
<P%SWc.37826$rP2.35202@hydra.nntpserver.com> we saw our hero "Sharon"
<nospam@nospam.com>:
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Interestingly enough, none of the quotes actually appear to mention
porn...
Yes.....but if you can read the minds of the dead, well...then what would
he
have had to say? Apparent many here lack the necessary skill.
Rob Brown
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Often anger is a sign of engagement with life. People who
are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
the will to live." -- Rachel Naomi Remen
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes |
25 Aug 2004 02:29:47 PM |
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"Rob Brown" <bbrown@csmflorida.com> wrote in message
news:CB3Xc.47293$PG2.5059267@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:ZpOdnUMF4r2xFLHcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:33 -0400 in episode
<P%SWc.37826$rP2.35202@hydra.nntpserver.com> we saw our hero "Sharon"
<nospam@nospam.com>:
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Interestingly enough, none of the quotes actually appear to mention
porn...
Yes.....but if you can read the minds of the dead, well...then what would
he have had to say? Apparent many here lack the necessary skill.
I daresay none here have that skill. Where the heck is John
Edward when you need him?
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: some on alt.atheism will cringe at Ingersoll's scathing quotes |
25 Aug 2004 10:43:14 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:33 -0400 in episode
<P%SWc.37826$rP2.35202@hydra.nntpserver.com> we saw our hero "Sharon"
<nospam@nospam.com>:
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Interestingly enough, none of the quotes actually appear to mention porn...
That's because they didn't *have* pornography back then, Mark! <snicker>
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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25 Aug 2004 11:56:59 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:43:14 -0500 in episode
<2p3q8uFgmg7rU1@uni-berlin.de> we saw our hero Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net>:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:33 -0400 in episode
<P%SWc.37826$rP2.35202@hydra.nntpserver.com> we saw our hero "Sharon"
<nospam@nospam.com>:
What would Robert G. Ingersoll have to say about Free Speech and
Pornography?
Interestingly enough, none of the quotes actually appear to mention
porn...
That's because they didn't *have* pornography back then, Mark! <snicker>
It's all Kodak's fault!!!!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Often anger is a sign of engagement with life. People who
are angry are touched deeply by the events of their lives
and feel strongly about them....Anger is just a demand for
change, a passionate wish for things to be different....
And, as it was for me, it may be the first expression of
the will to live." -- Rachel Naomi Remen
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