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09 Nov 2007 07:06:05 AM |
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Some people want God in government, but whose God? |
Some people want God in government, but whose God?
http://www.thetimesherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071108/OPINION03/711080316/1014/OPINION
Some people want God in government, but whose God?
Regarding Mr. and Mrs. Witherspoon's letter challenging separation of
church and state: They quoted Thomas Jefferson's "separation of church and
state" view and said that they could not find it in a revered source.
"Revered," in my Webster's Dictionaryrefers to "regarded with affectionate
awe or veneration." As one of the Founding Fathers of our great nation, I
consider Jefferson a revered source.
As far as their contention that a "Deist" is an atheist is concerned, my
1993 Webster's Dictionary & Thesaurus states: "A Deist is a Theist."
Jefferson (a Deist) believed that it was obvious through observation of
nature and science, there is a God. As some would say, "Could all of this
which exists be an accident?"
It is interesting to note that at one time, Jefferson edited his own
version of the Bible. He took out all those parts he thought were man's
ideas and not God's. This is hardly something one who did not believe in
God would do.
The actual word "God" is not mentioned even once in the Constitution. Most
people who want God in our government are really saying Christianity in our
government. And, if that should be the case, in a democracy, wouldn't that
be represented by the largest denomination in the country?
The largest Christian denomination in the United States is Roman
Catholicism at 25%. How would Evangelical and mainstream Protestants feel
about that?
So, my feeling about separation of church and state and how some people
don't want it reminds me of what my father told me: "Be careful what you
wish for-it may come true."
MIKE HERMESMEYER
St. Clair, Oct. 29
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: Some people want God in government, but whose God? |
09 Nov 2007 10:13:21 AM |
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On Nov 9, 7:06 am, wrote:
Some people want God in government, but whose God?http://www.thetimeshera=
ld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=3D/20071108/OPI...
Some people want God in government, but whose God?
Regarding Mr. and Mrs. Witherspoon's letter challenging separation of
church and state: They quoted Thomas Jefferson's "separation of church and
state" view and said that they could not find it in a revered source.
"Revered," in my Webster's Dictionaryrefers to "regarded with affectionate
awe or veneration." As one of the Founding Fathers of our great nation, I
consider Jefferson a revered source.
As far as their contention that a "Deist" is an atheist is concerned, my
1993 Webster's Dictionary & Thesaurus states: "A Deist is a Theist."
Jefferson (a Deist) believed that it was obvious through observation of
nature and science, there is a God. As some would say, "Could all of this
which exists be an accident?"
It is interesting to note that at one time, Jefferson edited his own
version of the Bible. He took out all those parts he thought were man's
ideas and not God's. This is hardly something one who did not believe in
God would do.
The actual word "God" is not mentioned even once in the Constitution. Most
people who want God in our government are really saying Christianity in o=
ur
government. And, if that should be the case, in a democracy, wouldn't that
be represented by the largest denomination in the country?
The largest Christian denomination in the United States is Roman
Catholicism at 25%. How would Evangelical and mainstream Protestants feel
about that?
So, my feeling about separation of church and state and how some people
don't want it reminds me of what my father told me: "Be careful what you
wish for-it may come true."
In general, a "big tent" only works out if the tent is dark and people
can't see each other very well. In this country, people who believe
in "God" are uniting to insert him into our government. You
can bet that if that ever happens, they'll pretty quickly forget
they ever got along and begin bickering about the details.
When the country was being founded. some of the most passionate
arguments for separation of Church and State came from
Baptists (!) who felt they would fare better with no state church
that with and Anglican state church.
A similar thing goes for Intelligent Design. I've often felt that
the best way to defeat Intelligent Design would be to *allow*
it - provided you made it crystal clear that the "scientific"
version of ID was 100% inconsistent with a literal
interpretation of Genesis. I think you'd magically see
all this enthusiasm for ID wither and die.
-jc
MIKE HERMESMEYER
St. Clair, Oct. 29
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of Americahttp://members.tripod.com/~ca=
ndst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Presenthttp://members.tripod.com/~candst/th=
eocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and Statehttp://member=
s=2Etripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Historical Reality SepChurch&Statehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gr=
oup/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.
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