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22 May 2007 09:14:58 PM |
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Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
The survey by the Pew Research Center, one of the most exhaustive ever of
the country's Muslims, revealed a community that in many ways blends
comfortably into society. Its largely mainstream members express nearly as
much happiness with their lives and communities as the general public
does, show a broad willingness to adopt American customs, and have income
and education levels similar to others in the U.S.
Even so, the survey revealed noteworthy pockets of discontent.
While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians
to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least
rarely.
That sentiment is strongest among those younger than 30. Two percent of
them say it can often be justified, 13 percent say sometimes and 11
percent say rarely.
"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the
Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which
promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.
He said most supporters of the attacks likely assumed the context was a
fight against occupation - a term Muslims often use to describe the
conflict with Israel.
U.S. Muslims have growing Internet and television access to extreme
ideologies, he said, adding: "People, especially younger people, are
susceptible to these ideas."
Federal officials have warned that the U.S. must be on guard against
homegrown terrorism, as the British suffered with the London transit
bombings of 2005.
Even so, U.S. Muslims are far less accepting of suicide attacks than
Muslims in many other nations. In surveys Pew conducted last year, support
in some Muslim countries exceeded 50 percent, while it was considered
justifiable by about one in four Muslims in Britain and Spain, and one in
three in France.
"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who
directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn,
Mich., one of the nation's largest mosques. He said killing innocent
people contradicts Islam.
Andrew Kohut, Pew director, called support for the attacks "one of the few
trouble spots" in the survey.
The question did not specify where a suicide attack might occur, who might
carry it out or what was meant by using a bombing to "defend Islam."
* Only 5 percent of U.S. Muslims expressed favorable views of the
terrorist group al-Qaida, though about a fourth did not express an
opinion.
* Six in 10 said they are concerned about a rise in Islamic extremism in
the U.S., while three in four expressed similar worries about extremism
around the world.
* Yet only one in four consider the U.S. war on terrorism a sincere
attempt to curtail international terror. Only 40 percent said they believe
Arab men carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
* By six to one, they say the U.S. was wrong to invade Iraq, while a
third say the same about Afghanistan - far deeper than the opposition
expressed by the general U.S. public.
* Just over half said it has been harder being a U.S. Muslim since the
9/11 attacks, especially the better educated, higher income, more
religious and young. Nearly a third of those who flew in the past year say
they underwent extra screening because they are Muslim.
The survey estimates there are roughly 2.35 million Muslim Americans. It
found that among adults, two-thirds are from abroad while a fifth are
U.S.-born blacks.
By law, the Census Bureau does not ask about peoples' religions.
Telephone interviews were conducted with 1,050 Muslim adults from January
through April, including some in Arabic, Urdu and Farsi. Subjects were
chosen at random, from a separate list of households including some with
Muslim-sounding names, and from Muslim households that had participated in
previous surveys.
The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 5 percentage points.
© 2007 Associated Press.
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
22 May 2007 08:29:28 PM |
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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Jason-2205071914580001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Why does someone not look into funding practice and live firing ranges for
these people to train on?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
22 May 2007 08:40:21 PM |
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Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
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| User: "Reginald Baldrickson" |
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23 May 2007 02:03:04 AM |
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On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
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| User: "Jason" |
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23 May 2007 12:45:00 PM |
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In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60 years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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23 May 2007 08:00:50 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, (Jason) wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60 years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
There was a war going on there, with suicide troopers if I recall
correctly. But don't worry. As soon as Iran has the bomb, you'll be
happy. They like to get even.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
23 May 2007 12:04:52 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60 years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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23 May 2007 01:42:26 PM |
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In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60 years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions. It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was justified in
his actions?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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23 May 2007 03:21:05 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60 years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Jason" |
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23 May 2007 05:07:05 PM |
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In article <je89539v31ihmg456khhqh5u7q3bt3etf6@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of
Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60 years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
I was not aware that you were only three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. Your
question was:
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
Yes, I think that in some situations that it is acceptable for members of
our military that are Christians to bomb civilian targets. For example, if
the president of IRAN exploded a nuclear bomb in Israel or America, I
would be in favor of members of our military that are Christians (or
members of any other religions) dropping a nuclear bomb on the capital
city of Iran.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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24 May 2007 02:17:54 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:07:05 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071507060001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <je89539v31ihmg456khhqh5u7q3bt3etf6@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of
Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60 years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
I was not aware that you were only three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. Your
question was:
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
Yes, I think that in some situations that it is acceptable for members of
our military that are Christians to bomb civilian targets. For example, if
the president of IRAN exploded a nuclear bomb in Israel or America, I
would be in favor of members of our military that are Christians (or
members of any other religions) dropping a nuclear bomb on the capital
city of Iran.
So I guess you don't have all that much moral superiority do you?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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24 May 2007 03:51:15 PM |
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In article <96pb531r327nkqp5ngstf55h0n6aftf0ss@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:07:05 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071507060001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <je89539v31ihmg456khhqh5u7q3bt3etf6@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of
Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60
years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
I was not aware that you were only three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. Your
question was:
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
Yes, I think that in some situations that it is acceptable for members of
our military that are Christians to bomb civilian targets. For example, if
the president of IRAN exploded a nuclear bomb in Israel or America, I
would be in favor of members of our military that are Christians (or
members of any other religions) dropping a nuclear bomb on the capital
city of Iran.
So I guess you don't have all that much moral superiority do you?
During the cold war, MAD was the policy. MAD stands for Mutually Assured
Destruction. It simply meant--if you launch your nuke missiles at us, we
will launch all of our nuke missiles at you. MAD prevented us from having
a world war that involved the use of nukes for over 40 years. Iran is less
likely to fire a nuke missiles at Israel if they know in advance that we
will drop a nuke on Iran. The end result could be that MAD could prevent
the deaths of millions of people as a result of the use of nukes.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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24 May 2007 03:15:08 PM |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:51:15 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2405071351160001@66-52-22-112.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <96pb531r327nkqp5ngstf55h0n6aftf0ss@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:07:05 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071507060001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <je89539v31ihmg456khhqh5u7q3bt3etf6@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of
Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the ***** out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60
years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
I was not aware that you were only three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. Your
question was:
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
Yes, I think that in some situations that it is acceptable for members of
our military that are Christians to bomb civilian targets. For example, if
the president of IRAN exploded a nuclear bomb in Israel or America, I
would be in favor of members of our military that are Christians (or
members of any other religions) dropping a nuclear bomb on the capital
city of Iran.
So I guess you don't have all that much moral superiority do you?
During the cold war, MAD was the policy. MAD stands for Mutually Assured
Destruction. It simply meant--if you launch your nuke missiles at us, we
will launch all of our nuke missiles at you.
Not exactly a Christian response, at least not as I read Jesus. But
YMMV.
MAD prevented us from having
a world war that involved the use of nukes for over 40 years. Iran is less
likely to fire a nuke missiles at Israel if they know in advance that we
will drop a nuke on Iran. The end result could be that MAD could prevent
the deaths of millions of people as a result of the use of nukes.
Nice realpolitik, but you had started out promoting your morality over
that of the Muslims. I bet you that Iranians tend to figure that if
they have nuclear weapons then the U.S. won't attack them.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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24 May 2007 04:45:37 PM |
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In article <ufsb535cnt1d2vlpkk746ckukdlj12ufqa@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:51:15 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2405071351160001@66-52-22-112.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <96pb531r327nkqp5ngstf55h0n6aftf0ss@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:07:05 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071507060001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <je89539v31ihmg456khhqh5u7q3bt3etf6@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of
Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the *****
out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60
years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the
results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide
bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was
justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
I was not aware that you were only three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. Your
question was:
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
Yes, I think that in some situations that it is acceptable for members of
our military that are Christians to bomb civilian targets. For example, if
the president of IRAN exploded a nuclear bomb in Israel or America, I
would be in favor of members of our military that are Christians (or
members of any other religions) dropping a nuclear bomb on the capital
city of Iran.
So I guess you don't have all that much moral superiority do you?
During the cold war, MAD was the policy. MAD stands for Mutually Assured
Destruction. It simply meant--if you launch your nuke missiles at us, we
will launch all of our nuke missiles at you.
Not exactly a Christian response, at least not as I read Jesus. But
YMMV.
MAD prevented us from having
a world war that involved the use of nukes for over 40 years. Iran is less
likely to fire a nuke missiles at Israel if they know in advance that we
will drop a nuke on Iran. The end result could be that MAD could prevent
the deaths of millions of people as a result of the use of nukes.
Nice realpolitik, but you had started out promoting your morality over
that of the Muslims. I bet you that Iranians tend to figure that if
they have nuclear weapons then the U.S. won't attack them.
That sounds good in theory but what are the facts. The fact is that the
president made this statement: "Israel must be wiped off from the map of
the world."
Do you believe that a nuke tipped missile would wipe Israel off the map of
the world?
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24 May 2007 03:49:53 PM |
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 14:45:37 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2405071445370001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <ufsb535cnt1d2vlpkk746ckukdlj12ufqa@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:51:15 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2405071351160001@66-52-22-112.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <96pb531r327nkqp5ngstf55h0n6aftf0ss@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:07:05 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071507060001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <je89539v31ihmg456khhqh5u7q3bt3etf6@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of
Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the *****
out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60
years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the
results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide
bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was
justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
I was not aware that you were only three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. Your
question was:
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
Yes, I think that in some situations that it is acceptable for members of
our military that are Christians to bomb civilian targets. For example, if
the president of IRAN exploded a nuclear bomb in Israel or America, I
would be in favor of members of our military that are Christians (or
members of any other religions) dropping a nuclear bomb on the capital
city of Iran.
So I guess you don't have all that much moral superiority do you?
During the cold war, MAD was the policy. MAD stands for Mutually Assured
Destruction. It simply meant--if you launch your nuke missiles at us, we
will launch all of our nuke missiles at you.
Not exactly a Christian response, at least not as I read Jesus. But
YMMV.
MAD prevented us from having
a world war that involved the use of nukes for over 40 years. Iran is less
likely to fire a nuke missiles at Israel if they know in advance that we
will drop a nuke on Iran. The end result could be that MAD could prevent
the deaths of millions of people as a result of the use of nukes.
Nice realpolitik, but you had started out promoting your morality over
that of the Muslims. I bet you that Iranians tend to figure that if
they have nuclear weapons then the U.S. won't attack them.
That sounds good in theory but what are the facts. The fact is that the
president made this statement: "Israel must be wiped off from the map of
the world."
Do you believe that a nuke tipped missile would wipe Israel off the map of
the world?
And the U.S. President declared three countries the Axis of Evil and
invaded one of them.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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24 May 2007 06:28:22 PM |
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In article <kiub539fvdm76dvn04j16ku8jho2bcevo7@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 14:45:37 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2405071445370001@66-52-22-67.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <ufsb535cnt1d2vlpkk746ckukdlj12ufqa@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:51:15 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2405071351160001@66-52-22-112.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <96pb531r327nkqp5ngstf55h0n6aftf0ss@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:07:05 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071507060001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <je89539v31ihmg456khhqh5u7q3bt3etf6@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:26 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071142260001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <j0t8539bt63aiturvpoio2v4as6v0gvnn9@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:45:00 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071045000001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article
<1179903784.867933.197200@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Reginald Baldrickson <Reginald.Baldrickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 22, 6:40 pm, DanielSan <danielsan...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of
Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
I would particularly be interested in finding out how many good
Christians and Jews think it's "acceptable" to bomb the *****
out of
women and children from way high up in the sky.
Love,
Reginald
We have done that in every major war we have had in the past 60
years. For
example, we dropped Nukes on two large cities in Japan.
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
It would be great if we ended the war in Iraq. Based on the
results of the
pole mentioned above, about 1,000,000 young Muslim men that live in
America support suicide bombings in some situtions.
And based on past and current experience millions of Christians
support bombing civilians. Again, did you have a point regarding
Muslims.
It's possible that
some of them are members of "sleeper cells". If a Muslim suicide
bomber
killed 500 people in America, would you feel that Muslim was
justified in
his actions?
Sir, I was three blocks from the WTC on 9/11. My life was turned
upside down. Why don't you answer the question I asked you before you
try to accuse me of something.
I was not aware that you were only three blocks from the WTC on
9/11. Your
question was:
So it looks like lots of Christians think it is acceptable to bomb
civilians. Did you have a point regarding Muslims?
Yes, I think that in some situations that it is acceptable for
members of
our military that are Christians to bomb civilian targets. For
example, if
the president of IRAN exploded a nuclear bomb in Israel or America, I
would be in favor of members of our military that are Christians (or
members of any other religions) dropping a nuclear bomb on the capital
city of Iran.
So I guess you don't have all that much moral superiority do you?
During the cold war, MAD was the policy. MAD stands for Mutually Assured
Destruction. It simply meant--if you launch your nuke missiles at us, we
will launch all of our nuke missiles at you.
Not exactly a Christian response, at least not as I read Jesus. But
YMMV.
MAD prevented us from having
a world war that involved the use of nukes for over 40 years. Iran is less
likely to fire a nuke missiles at Israel if they know in advance that we
will drop a nuke on Iran. The end result could be that MAD could prevent
the deaths of millions of people as a result of the use of nukes.
Nice realpolitik, but you had started out promoting your morality over
that of the Muslims. I bet you that Iranians tend to figure that if
they have nuclear weapons then the U.S. won't attack them.
That sounds good in theory but what are the facts. The fact is that the
president made this statement: "Israel must be wiped off from the map of
the world."
Do you believe that a nuke tipped missile would wipe Israel off the map of
the world?
And the U.S. President declared three countries the Axis of Evil and
invaded one of them.
I should have said the president OF IRAN recently stated, "Israel must be
wiped off the map of the world."
To answer your question, Yes, an American president made that statement.
He has not used Nukes. We both know that he will not use nukes unless some
other country such as Iran attacks our allies or the US with Nukes.
There is another issue that you seem to be ignoring. Many wars have been
started by religious nut cases. The president of Iran is a religious nut
case. There is a prophecy that the president of Iran wants to help come
about. The prophecy involves a religious leader that will come out of a
famous well in Iran. Before this religious leader will come out of the
well, the world must be in chaos. The religious leader that comes out of
the well will reestablish order in the world and end the chaos. He will do
it by establishing the Muslim religion as the only religion of the world.
If people don't want to become Muslims, they will be murdered. The
president of Iran wants to make this all happen by placing the world in
chaos. I ask you--what better way to start chaos than exploding nuclear
bombs within the borders of Israel and even in America? Read the
book--"The Last Jihad". Also, read the book, "The Sum of All Fears" by Tom
Clancy. Now you know the real reason that the president of Iran wants to
start manufacturing as many nukes as possible.
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23 May 2007 04:20:45 PM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 18:40:21 -0700, DanielSan <danielsangeo@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
Only atheists harbor such feelings. See cho hui as atheist of the year.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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24 May 2007 04:10:08 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 18:40:21 -0700, DanielSan <danielsangeo@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
Only atheists harbor such feelings.
Liar.
See cho hui as atheist of the year.
Liar.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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23 May 2007 10:02:30 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 18:40:21 -0700, DanielSan <danielsangeo@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason wrote:
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:13 a.m. EDT
Poll: Younger U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Attacks
The next poll I would really love to see is the number of Americans who
believe it's okay to kill Arabs for any reason.
Only atheists harbor such feelings. See cho hui as atheist of the year.
More lying, eh, Duke?
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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22 May 2007 09:25:50 PM |
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Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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22 May 2007 11:16:44 PM |
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In article <f309df$pn4$3@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
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23 May 2007 01:51:50 PM |
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On May 22, 9:16 pm, (Jason) wrote:
In article <f309df$pn...@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/313.php?nid=&id=&pnt=313&lb=hmpg1
"Forty-six percent [of Americans] say that ... attacks [against
civilians] are never justified, while 27 percent say they are rarely
justified. Twenty-four percent see them as sometimes (19%) or often
(5%) justified."
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23 May 2007 03:02:05 PM |
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In article <1179946310.108508.165540@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Santolina chamaecyparissus <santolina@juno.com> wrote:
On May 22, 9:16 pm, (Jason) wrote:
In article <f309df$pn...@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though
most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of
people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/313.php?nid=&id=&pnt=313&lb=hmpg1
"Forty-six percent [of Americans] say that ... attacks [against
civilians] are never justified, while 27 percent say they are rarely
justified. Twenty-four percent see them as sometimes (19%) or often
(5%) justified."
What concerns me and lots of other people are how many of the 24 percent
figure that you mentioned are members of "sleeper cells".
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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23 May 2007 01:57:38 AM |
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On May 23, 5:16 am, (Jason) wrote:
In article <f309df$pn...@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
When you ask hypothetical question, you get hypothetical answers.
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23 May 2007 11:12:14 AM |
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Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister:
When you ask hypothetical question, you get hypothetical answers.
Indeed. So some muslims would blow themselves up in some cases. The question
is - what cases?
After all, there's a difference between the motivations "to kill a few Ebil
Infidels(TM)" and "to save a hundred people who otherwise would die"...
(whatever situation that might be in case #2... ;) )
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
23 May 2007 12:05:53 PM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:16:44 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2205072116450001@66-52-22-52.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <f309df$pn4$3@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
So? What situations? Would you support suicide bombing to defend
Christianity in some situations? How about non-suicide bombing to
defend Christianity?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
23 May 2007 01:47:13 PM |
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In article <q1t8535un4uct7sr4fko2odfsi1pjsd9d0@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:16:44 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2205072116450001@66-52-22-52.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <f309df$pn4$3@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most
Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
So? What situations? Would you support suicide bombing to defend
Christianity in some situations? How about non-suicide bombing to
defend Christianity?
No--I would not support groups of Christians taking actions to defend
themselves. However, I do believe that gun owership is legal as per the
American constitution. All people in America, including Christians, have
the right to defend their homes.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
23 May 2007 03:22:02 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:47:13 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071147140001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <q1t8535un4uct7sr4fko2odfsi1pjsd9d0@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:16:44 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2205072116450001@66-52-22-52.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <f309df$pn4$3@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most
Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
So? What situations? Would you support suicide bombing to defend
Christianity in some situations? How about non-suicide bombing to
defend Christianity?
No--I would not support groups of Christians taking actions to defend
themselves. However, I do believe that gun owership is legal as per the
American constitution. All people in America, including Christians, have
the right to defend their homes.
Which was not the question here at all. Bomb usage was. How is suicide
bombing somehow worse than other ways to bomb civilians?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
23 May 2007 05:22:42 PM |
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In article <rh89531jjlj402pqlvlvv8o2pb4ihsuhj8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:47:13 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071147140001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <q1t8535un4uct7sr4fko2odfsi1pjsd9d0@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:16:44 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2205072116450001@66-52-22-52.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <f309df$pn4$3@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most
Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of
people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
So? What situations? Would you support suicide bombing to defend
Christianity in some situations? How about non-suicide bombing to
defend Christianity?
No--I would not support groups of Christians taking actions to defend
themselves. However, I do believe that gun owership is legal as per the
American constitution. All people in America, including Christians, have
the right to defend their homes.
Which was not the question here at all. Bomb usage was. How is suicide
bombing somehow worse than other ways to bomb civilians?
It's worse because in most cases--the target is civilians that are not
involved in fighting in the war. It may even include mothers and their
children. If Israel or America drops a bomb on a home containing various
Muslim terrorists, the primary target is the Muslim terrorists. If
innocent women and children are killed--they were NOT the target of that
bomb. In some cases, mistakes are made such as when we receive false
"intelligence data" that turned out not to be correct. As you may know,
terrorists usually make sure they have women and children in their so
called safe houses so that they can take pictures of their bodies after
those safe houses are bombed. Many people in America are influnced by
those pictures which is the reason they place women and children in their
safe houses. If you was a commander of our forces in IRAQ and knew that
there was a dozen terrorists in that house (as well as women and
children), would you order your men to fire grenades in that house? I
would do it.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
23 May 2007 08:55:41 PM |
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:22:42 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071522420001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <rh89531jjlj402pqlvlvv8o2pb4ihsuhj8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:47:13 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071147140001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <q1t8535un4uct7sr4fko2odfsi1pjsd9d0@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:16:44 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2205072116450001@66-52-22-52.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <f309df$pn4$3@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most
Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of
people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be. According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support suicide
bombings in some situations.
So? What situations? Would you support suicide bombing to defend
Christianity in some situations? How about non-suicide bombing to
defend Christianity?
No--I would not support groups of Christians taking actions to defend
themselves. However, I do believe that gun owership is legal as per the
American constitution. All people in America, including Christians, have
the right to defend their homes.
Which was not the question here at all. Bomb usage was. How is suicide
bombing somehow worse than other ways to bomb civilians?
It's worse because in most cases--the target is civilians that are not
involved in fighting in the war.
Yet you would be willing to nuke an Iranian city. Iran, a country
without democracy.
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Jason" |
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| Title: Re: Some US Muslims Back Suicide Attacks |
24 May 2007 12:02:24 AM |
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In article <v2s9539t1rd7j6lnbt8ipl7lol9jg6ubsr@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:22:42 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071522420001@66-52-22-38.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <rh89531jjlj402pqlvlvv8o2pb4ihsuhj8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:47:13 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2305071147140001@66-52-22-18.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <q1t8535un4uct7sr4fko2odfsi1pjsd9d0@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 21:16:44 -0700, in alt.atheism ,
(Jason) in
<Jason-2205072116450001@66-52-22-52.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net> wrote:
In article <f309df$pn4$3@online.de>, wrote:
Jason:
One in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to
defend their
religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most
Muslim
Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical
of Islamic
extremism and al-Qaida, a poll says.
Well, that was to be expected, wasn't it? Once a given group of
people gets
large enough, you're bound to find some idiots in it.
One in four is a much higher figure than I expected it would be.
According
to the 2005 Time Almanac, there are 5.5 million Muslims in America. At
least one million would be considered to be part of the "younger
group".
Therefore 25 percent of 1,000,000 is 250,000. If my figures are
correct,
that means we have about 250,000 Muslims in America that support
suicide
bombings in some situations.
So? What situations? Would you support suicide bombing to defend
Christianity in some situations? How about non-suicide bombing to
defend Christianity?
No--I would not support groups of Christians taking actions to defend
themselves. However, I do believe that gun owership is legal as per the
American constitution. All people in America, including Christians, have
the right to defend their homes.
Which was not the question here at all. Bomb usage was. How is suicide
bombing somehow worse than other ways to bomb civilians?
It's worse because in most cases--the target is civilians that are not
involved in fighting in the war.
Yet you would be willing to nuke an Iranian city. Iran, a country
without democracy.
[snip]
Only if they first nuked America or any of our other allies. I should note
that the president of Iran recently stated: "Israel must me wiped off from
the map of the world.". What do you think we should do if Iran nukes us or
one of our allies?
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