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"Adam Marczyk" |
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10 Oct 2003 10:40:41 PM |
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Something I got in my e-mail |
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter where
they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and bring them to
justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before [Saddam]
is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of the
White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
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to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Something I got in my e-mail |
11 Oct 2003 12:04:40 PM |
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter where
they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and bring them to
justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before [Saddam]
is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of the
White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
And apparantly you can't tell the difference between looking for
somebody who you know and looking for somebody who you don't.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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11 Oct 2003 02:34:48 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voge0h8h2f8s62@news.supernews.com...
Adam Marczyk wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter
where they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and
bring them to justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before
[Saddam] is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of
the White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
And apparantly you can't tell the difference between looking for
somebody who you know and looking for somebody who you don't.
On the other hand, Hussein and bin Laden both have a lot more ground in
which to hide, whereas the identities and locations of everyone who
potentially could have leaked that information are well known, and there
are detailed records of phone calls, e-mails, etc. to search. (Although I
hear the White House, for what reason I can't possibly imagine, asked the
Justice Department to wait one day before issuing an order that no
information was to be destroyed.)
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 02:54:39 PM |
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voge0h8h2f8s62@news.supernews.com...
Adam Marczyk wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter
where they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and
bring them to justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before
[Saddam] is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of
the White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
And apparantly you can't tell the difference between looking for
somebody who you know and looking for somebody who you don't.
On the other hand, Hussein and bin Laden both have a lot more ground in
which to hide, whereas the identities and locations of everyone who
potentially could have leaked that information are well known, and there
are detailed records of phone calls, e-mails, etc. to search. (Although I
hear the White House, for what reason I can't possibly imagine, asked the
Justice Department to wait one day before issuing an order that no
information was to be destroyed.)
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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| Title: Re: Something I got in my e-mail |
11 Oct 2003 04:21:40 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vognvadg32l471@news.supernews.com...
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voge0h8h2f8s62@news.supernews.com...
Adam Marczyk wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter
where they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and
bring them to justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before
[Saddam] is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of
the White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
And apparantly you can't tell the difference between looking for
somebody who you know and looking for somebody who you don't.
On the other hand, Hussein and bin Laden both have a lot more ground in
which to hide, whereas the identities and locations of everyone who
potentially could have leaked that information are well known, and there
are detailed records of phone calls, e-mails, etc. to search. (Although
I hear the White House, for what reason I can't possibly imagine, asked
the Justice Department to wait one day before issuing an order that no
information was to be destroyed.)
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
When the identity of an undercover agent is disclosed, *someone* must have
leaked it. That is a violation of federal law. And what about those six
journalists who were each offered this information?
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 06:20:34 PM |
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vognvadg32l471@news.supernews.com...
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voge0h8h2f8s62@news.supernews.com...
Adam Marczyk wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter
where they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and
bring them to justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before
[Saddam] is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of
the White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
And apparantly you can't tell the difference between looking for
somebody who you know and looking for somebody who you don't.
On the other hand, Hussein and bin Laden both have a lot more ground in
which to hide, whereas the identities and locations of everyone who
potentially could have leaked that information are well known, and there
are detailed records of phone calls, e-mails, etc. to search. (Although
I hear the White House, for what reason I can't possibly imagine, asked
the Justice Department to wait one day before issuing an order that no
information was to be destroyed.)
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
When the identity of an undercover agent is disclosed, *someone* must have
leaked it.
Assuming that it wasn't common knowledge already, which has yet to be
established.
That is a violation of federal law. And what about those six
journalists who were each offered this information?
They were called *after* Novak's original column appeared.
None of them were "offered" the information in the form of a deliberate
leak. Novak says it came up in passing when he specifically asked why
Wilson was chosen. (Meet the Press)
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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11 Oct 2003 05:26:56 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:39 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
Fred, the point is that the administration seems strangely reluctant
to pledge even a minimal effort. After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 06:25:26 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:39 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
Fred, the point is that the administration seems strangely reluctant
to pledge even a minimal effort.
What does that have to do with the President answering "Yes" when he was
asked whether it's possible that they might not find the leaker?
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "MarcRW" |
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11 Oct 2003 06:42:10 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voh4acoscmptea@news.supernews.com...
[snip]
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
Speaking for myself, it would be a good start.
Marc
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What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which
is the exact opposite.
Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 07:03:53 PM |
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MarcRW wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voh4acoscmptea@news.supernews.com...
[snip]
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
Speaking for myself, it would be a good start.
I think that's silly. Style over substance.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "MarcRW" |
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11 Oct 2003 10:44:18 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voh6ieg3k54392@news.supernews.com...
MarcRW wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voh4acoscmptea@news.supernews.com...
[snip]
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
Speaking for myself, it would be a good start.
I think that's silly. Style over substance.
Right now, we have neither style nor substance.
Marc
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What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which
is the exact opposite.
Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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11 Oct 2003 09:11:22 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voh4acoscmptea@news.supernews.com...
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:39 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
Fred, the point is that the administration seems strangely reluctant
to pledge even a minimal effort.
What does that have to do with the President answering "Yes" when he was
asked whether it's possible that they might not find the leaker?
He didn't show any such hesitancy when speaking about whether we'd catch
bin Laden or Hussein - yet the former has apparently vanished from sight
(and from the administration's speeches) for well over a year now, and the
latter hasn't been seen in several months. That *was* the point of the
original post, you realize.
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
Again - is this not exactly what Bush has done with regards to those other
two?
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Oct 2003 09:42:28 PM |
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:voh4acoscmptea@news.supernews.com...
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:39 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
Fred, the point is that the administration seems strangely reluctant
to pledge even a minimal effort.
What does that have to do with the President answering "Yes" when he was
asked whether it's possible that they might not find the leaker?
He didn't show any such hesitancy when speaking about whether we'd catch
bin Laden or Hussein - yet the former has apparently vanished from sight
(and from the administration's speeches) for well over a year now, and the
latter hasn't been seen in several months. That *was* the point of the
original post, you realize.
So you still can't tell the difference, and because of that you think
the President is being hypocritical?
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
Again - is this not exactly what Bush has done with regards to those other
two?
So what if he did?
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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11 Oct 2003 09:10:24 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:25:26 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:39 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
Fred, the point is that the administration seems strangely reluctant
to pledge even a minimal effort.
What does that have to do with the President answering "Yes" when he was
asked whether it's possible that they might not find the leaker?
Considering that he's pledged to find not one, but two needles in
million square mile haystacks, pledging to find the source of a leak
from his own administration does not seem so damn hard.
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
No, I want the administration to actually dedicate itsedlf to finding
someone who has committed a felony, and then supporting the
prosecution of that person to the fullest extent of the law. If that
is too much to ask, then I am very happy that we will have the
oportunity to remove this demagog from power.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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12 Oct 2003 07:08:09 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:10:24 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>, Message ID:
<9rdhov8o6bopj0iaumk51ggo6thgkcns66@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:25:26 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:39 -0400, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
All those words and you're still just trying to confuse the issues. We
know who we're looking for with bin Laden. We don't, yet, with the
"leak" if there even was a leak.
Fred, the point is that the administration seems strangely reluctant
to pledge even a minimal effort.
What does that have to do with the President answering "Yes" when he was
asked whether it's possible that they might not find the leaker?
Considering that he's pledged to find not one, but two needles in
million square mile haystacks, pledging to find the source of a leak
from his own administration does not seem so damn hard.
After all the bombast given towards
tracking down ObL and SH, trying to root out a leak among a few dozen
senior administration officers should at least be given a little
priority.
And to demonstrate their commitment you want them to parade around
shouting "We'll get the bastards!" for the cameras?
No, I want the administration to actually dedicate itsedlf to finding
someone who has committed a felony, and then supporting the
prosecution of that person to the fullest extent of the law. If that
is too much to ask, then I am very happy that we will have the
oportunity to remove this demagog from power.
Will we?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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11 Oct 2003 03:36:33 AM |
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In article <ZYKhb.308$ye.99@news02.roc.ny>,
"Adam Marczyk" <see@sig.com> wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter where
they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and bring them to
justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before [Saddam]
is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
Justice? Has *anyone* been "brought to justice" yet? A lot of people
have been disappeared, either put into those holes in Guantanamo and
left to rot while someone figures out how to "try" them, or they've been
sent to secret places for "questioning" that will probably last for
decades.
Funny ideas about "justice," if you ask me.
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of the
White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
And they thought Clinton had teflon...
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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11 Oct 2003 02:32:58 AM |
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In article <ZYKhb.308$ye.99@news02.roc.ny>,
"Adam Marczyk" <see@sig.com> wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter where
they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and bring them to
justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before [Saddam]
is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of the
White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
Heh! Heh! It's obvious. The leaker is either Osama or Saddam, or both!
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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11 Oct 2003 09:30:12 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:40:41 GMT, "Adam Marczyk" <see@sig.com> wrote:
The Bush Administration on finding Osama Bin Laden in Central Asia:
"We're going to hunt them down one at a time... it doesn't matter where
they hide, as we work with our friends we will find them and bring them to
justice."
- President George W. Bush, 11/22/02
The Bush Administration on finding Saddam Hussein in the Mideast:
"We are continuing the pursuit and it's a matter of time before [Saddam]
is found and brought to justice."
- White House spokesman McClellan, 9/17/03
The Bush Administration on finding the leaker in the close confines of the
White House:
"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration
official. I don't have any idea... This is a large administration, and
there are a lot of senior administration officials."
- President George W. Bush, 10/7/03
--
"We have loved the stars too fondly | a.a. #2001
to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
quoted in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_ | PGP Key ID: 0x5C66F737
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Probably someone who has recently quietly disappeared off to
retirement, like Ari Fliesher - Remember he was on TV all the time -
now he's gone, anybody remember him? Who else has been "rotated" out
of the administration and where are they now?
drift
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