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"Fred Stone" |
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17 Oct 2007 12:14:50 PM |
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Sorry, "JTEM", you been fact-checked AGAIN. |
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/070925-4.htm
General Motors Corporation and its Shanghai General Motors joint venture
have signed a multi-year agreement, worth more than US$800 million, to
export American-built Buick Enclave SUVs and other vehicles and
components to China, beginning in 2008. The Enclave is built in Lansing,
Michigan ...
The Buick agreement is the second of two China export agreements signed
by GM this year; in May, the company signed a deal to export US$700
million worth of Cadillacs and components to China from the U.S.
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/sir_nicks_facts_checked/
SIR NICK'S FACTS CHECKED
Super expert global warming researcher Sir Nicholas Stern claims:
“You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy the
emissions standards.”
Really? That’ll be news to DaimlerChrysler and Cadillac, both of which
maintain outlets in China. This idea that Chinese automotive standards
are higher than those in the US turns out to be another leftist item of
faith; here’s Seattle’s Joel Connelly:
We can’t sell American cars in China because they don’t meet the
Middle Kingdom’s fuel efficiency standards.
And the HuffyPost’s Laurie David:
You can’t even sell many American cars in China because they don’t
meet that country’s higher fuel standards. That’s right, China demands
better mileage from its cars than we do!
For sure, Laurie and Joel and Sir Nick! When not banning US vehicles
entirely, China apparently limits its intake of American road metal to
fuel-sipping Caddy econopods:
During a ceremony at Beijing’s Imperial Ancestors’ Temple, a symbol
of ancient China, General Motors officially launched Cadillac, its
premium luxury brand for modern China.
Three new Cadillac models that will be sold in China - the CTS, SRX
and XLR - were unveiled at the ceremony. All three products embody
Cadillac’s distinctive bold design, purposeful innovation and balanced
performance ...
All three models will start as imports from GM’s North American
Operations. They will be built at the company’s Grand River
manufacturing facility in Lansing, Michigan, and at its facility in
Bowling Green, Kentucky.
That report is dated 2004, at which point Cadillac apparently first met
China’s rigorous emission and mileage standards. Here’s a report on Ford
and GM’s export plans from one year prior:
The top two US automakers announced plans to export thousands of
vehicles to China as that country moves to open up its market to foreign
competition.
By 2006, that export plan was paying off:
Ford Motor Company took another important step forward today in its
commitment to grow in China by pledging to export more vehicles from the
United States to China ...
In 2005, Chinese customers purchased 2,787 Ford Mavericks, an
increase of nearly 50 percent over 2004 and enough to place Maverick
among the best-sellers in the Chinese imported SUV segment. And the
sales growth continues: Maverick sales in the first quarter of 2006 were
up over 30 percent year-over-year. With 423 sales in calendar year 2005,
Lincoln Navigator helped define the market for “President Class,” full-
size SUVs.
The commitment to continue the export program was marked in a
ceremony in Los Angeles attended by a Chinese delegation led by Madam Wu
Yi, China’s Vice Premier and Minister of Health, and included a number
of senior officials from China’s Ministry of Commerce.
If, according to Stern, Chinese cars are cleaner than US cars, shouldn’t
they be easily exported to America? Not so:
Reached by phone in China, an employee of [Chinese carmaker]
Brilliance’s export trade department said the automaker wants to export
the Zhonghua.
“But right now the emissions criteria doesn’t meet US and European
levels,” the worker said. “Getting those certifications is very
expensive. Therefore, we don’t have a plan to develop these aspects
right now.”
What’s that? Chinese vehicle emissions don’t meet US standards? We’ll
need a second opinion:
Chinese carmakers are throttling back plans to export their cars
into major overseas markets such as Western Europe and North America,
according to research undertaken for a just-auto members’ management
briefing.
The study found that Chinese carmakers’ attentions are instead
currently focussed on the need to supply a growing domestic market.
Ambitious export plans have been revised in the light of the need to
meet relatively stringent crash-testing and emissions regulations in
developed markets.
If Stern can be so wrong on elementary matters such as these, how wrong
might he be about climate change (which, according to him, will cause
gender inequalities and forced marriage)?
(Via Contrail and Dave Surls; earlier post on this here)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“How dare you suggest that we in the freest nation on Earth live in
tyranny? How dare you call yourselves patriots and heroes?” - W. J.
Clinton
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17 Oct 2007 04:43:37 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
General Motors Corporation and its Shanghai General
Motors joint venture have signed a multi-year
agreement, worth more than US$800 million, to
export American-built Buick Enclave SUVs and other
vehicles and components to China, beginning in
2008. The Enclave is built in Lansing, Michigan ...
#1.
*I* introduced the deal myself in that other thread.
#2.
Your cite pretending that you couldn't swing a dead
cat in China without hitting an American made car,
while the story clearly states that the exports will
not begin until next year.
#3.
More detailed accounts explain that the deal works
out to about 400 American-built Buicks a year. If
you didn't know, that's about a single day's worth
of production -- for a single shift -- but it's
spread out over an entire year.
#4.
GM plans of importing Chinese-built Buicks by the
thousands, if not tens of thousands.
So, in short, you're actually disproven YOUR OWN
CLAIM regarding American-made Buicks in China.
"You can't export an American car to China: it does
not satisfy the emissions standards."
You fucking psycho! I produced the cites in the other
thread, demostrating the Chinese emissions requirements
AND the emissions from the smallest & cheapest American
Buick. The Buick DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS!
Clearly, they're either going to ALTER the few American
made Buicks they PLAN ON exporting to China (though
haven't actually exported any yet), OR they've managed
to get them classified AS TRUCKS.
Damn, you are such a ***** frigging imbecile...
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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18 Oct 2007 02:04:23 PM |
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In article <1192657417.728153.154320
@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, JTEM said...
More detailed accounts explain that the deal works
out to about 400 American-built Buicks a year. If
you didn't know, that's about a single day's worth
of production -- for a single shift -- but it's
spread out over an entire year.
Cavil.
Are you sure the article said that only 400 vehicles
would be built? When I ran across the story about the
import deal (from a different news source), I thought
the report indicated that 400 dealers would be selling
the cars.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "JTEM" |
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19 Oct 2007 01:25:11 AM |
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Brian E. Clark <re...@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
Are you sure the article said that only 400 vehicles
would be built? When I ran across the story about the
import deal (from a different news source), I thought
the report indicated that 400 dealers would be selling
the cars.
There are many articles, offering many numbers. I
figured if "Fred" could cherry pick the words of Al
Gore -- just so he could misrepresent them -- I could
cherry pick from all the stories to come up with the
lowest number.
The "400" number you saw is the number of supposed
Buick dealerships in China, which may (and more likely)
may not be a reflection of the number of dealerships
which will offer the SUV.
Fact is, GM hasn't sold any yet, or is only getting
around to try and sell some now. There is no actual
figure, except that the deal calls for "up to" 25,000
Buick Enclaves being sold in China over a five year
period -- giving you that 5,000 figure you saw. We
really won't know how many are sold until five years
from now. Any number is as good as the next.
But it's all rather pointless. "Fred" was pretending that
Al Gore said that you can't produce a car in America
and sell it in China. Al Gore wasn't speaking about
Chinese import laws, he was speaking about U.S.
emissions standards. I don't recall Al Gore's exact
words, but if he didn't flat out state that American
emission standards could be as good or better, he
certainly implied as much.
So, in a nut shell, Al Gore never claimed that GM
couldn't build (or modify) a car to meet Chinese
standards, only that cars built & sold in the U.S.
do not meet the standards.
Now, whether or not a Buick Enclave even qualifies
as a "Car" by Chinese standards is a different
story.....
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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17 Oct 2007 05:06:46 PM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1192657417.728153.154320
@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
General Motors Corporation and its Shanghai General
Motors joint venture have signed a multi-year
agreement, worth more than US$800 million, to
export American-built Buick Enclave SUVs and other
vehicles and components to China, beginning in
2008. The Enclave is built in Lansing, Michigan ...
#1.
*I* introduced the deal myself in that other thread.
#2.
Your cite pretending that you couldn't swing a dead
cat in China without hitting an American made car,
while the story clearly states that the exports will
not begin until next year.
You "conveniently" snipped the part about the deal that began in 2004.
#3.
More detailed accounts explain that the deal works
out to about 400 American-built Buicks a year. If
you didn't know, that's about a single day's worth
of production -- for a single shift -- but it's
spread out over an entire year.
So they *can* export American-built cars to China. Thanks for admitting
that I was right.
#4.
GM plans of importing Chinese-built Buicks by the
thousands, if not tens of thousands.
So, in short, you're actually disproven YOUR OWN
CLAIM regarding American-made Buicks in China.
So actually, no.
"You can't export an American car to China: it does
not satisfy the emissions standards."
You fucking psycho! I produced the cites in the other
thread, demostrating the Chinese emissions requirements
AND the emissions from the smallest & cheapest American
Buick. The Buick DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS!
You did no such thing, "JTEM". Not even close.
Clearly, they're either going to ALTER the few American
made Buicks they PLAN ON exporting to China (though
haven't actually exported any yet), OR they've managed
to get them classified AS TRUCKS.
Damn, you are such a ***** frigging imbecile...
Ah, so they *can* export American cars to China. Thanks for admitting
that I was right all along.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“How dare you suggest that we in the freest nation on Earth live in
tyranny? How dare you call yourselves patriots and heroes?” - W. J.
Clinton
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| User: "JTEM" |
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18 Oct 2007 01:05:33 AM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You "conveniently" snipped the part about the
deal that began in 2004.
There are no numbers, "Fred." There's nothing to
respond to, as it makes no specific claims.
I will, however, point out that there is no American
"Ford Maverick." Interesting that you wouldn't
notice that.
Another thing that I'll point out is that you
appear to not know the difference between a car
and a truck. A Lincoln Navigator, for example,
has a GWV of over 3 and a half tons, or more
than 7,000 pounds. Under Euro II, the cut off
for cars was under 6,000 pounds and seating for
six.
In other words: IT DOESN'T APPLY.
So, you stupid chump, the only American-made
car model it specifically mentioned ISN'T A
CAR!
#3.
More detailed accounts explain that the deal works
out to about 400 American-built Buicks a year. If
you didn't know, that's about a single day's worth
of production -- for a single shift -- but it's
spread out over an entire year.
So they *can* export American-built cars to China.
Oddly, this wasn't the issue. American cares don't
meet Chinese emissions requirements. Can American
car companies build cars that meet Chinese emissions
standards? Of course. THAT IS THE POINT! But they don't
sell cars in America that meet even the Chinese
requirements.
So, in other words, stupid chump, you're trying to
pull a fast one. You're asking a DIFFERENT question
and pretending it has any relevance to what Al Gore
pointed out.
Thanks for admitting that I was right.
Besides being a vile *****, you're also one sick
*****. You need help. You desperately need help.
You fucking psycho! I produced the cites in the other
thread, demostrating the Chinese emissions requirements
AND the emissions from the smallest & cheapest American
Buick. The Buick DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS!
You did no such thing, "JTEM". Not even close.
Here you go, ***** stain:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d54e4c71daf37a8b?dmode=source
Clearly, they're either going to ALTER the few American
made Buicks they PLAN ON exporting to China (though
haven't actually exported any yet), OR they've managed
to get them classified AS TRUCKS.
Damn, you are such a ***** frigging imbecile...
Ah, so they *can* export American cars to China.
*Sigh*
Al Gore never claimed that American car companies
can't build cars that meet Chinese standards. In
fact, he's saying that they can. What Al Gore pointed
out is that American cars DO NOT meet Chinese standards.
You were pretending to be "debunking" Al Gore,
remember?
Stupid fucking chump... can't even remember what
you're arguing... Sheesh!
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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18 Oct 2007 09:49:47 AM |
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On 17 Oct 2007 23:05:33 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You "conveniently" snipped the part about the
deal that began in 2004.
There are no numbers, "Fred." There's nothing to
respond to, as it makes no specific claims.
I will, however, point out that there is no American
"Ford Maverick." Interesting that you wouldn't
notice that.
Another thing that I'll point out is that you
appear to not know the difference between a car
and a truck. A Lincoln Navigator, for example,
has a GWV of over 3 and a half tons, or more
than 7,000 pounds. Under Euro II, the cut off
for cars was under 6,000 pounds and seating for
six.
In other words: IT DOESN'T APPLY.
So, you stupid chump, the only American-made
car model it specifically mentioned ISN'T A
CAR!
DING!
Freddie-loo, once again with egg on his face.
Like the time when he "proved" the abundance the Democrat sex
offenders by conveniently labeling convicted Republican sex offenders
as "Democrats".
Or the time when he "proved" that global temperature was at its
highest during tha 1920's by using only the US data.
Or...
#3.
More detailed accounts explain that the deal works
out to about 400 American-built Buicks a year. If
you didn't know, that's about a single day's worth
of production -- for a single shift -- but it's
spread out over an entire year.
So they *can* export American-built cars to China.
Oddly, this wasn't the issue. American cares don't
meet Chinese emissions requirements. Can American
car companies build cars that meet Chinese emissions
standards? Of course. THAT IS THE POINT! But they don't
sell cars in America that meet even the Chinese
requirements.
So, in other words, stupid chump, you're trying to
pull a fast one. You're asking a DIFFERENT question
and pretending it has any relevance to what Al Gore
pointed out.
Thanks for admitting that I was right.
Besides being a vile *****, you're also one sick
*****. You need help. You desperately need help.
You fucking psycho! I produced the cites in the other
thread, demostrating the Chinese emissions requirements
AND the emissions from the smallest & cheapest American
Buick. The Buick DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS!
You did no such thing, "JTEM". Not even close.
Here you go, ***** stain:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/d54e4c71daf37a8b?dmode=source
Clearly, they're either going to ALTER the few American
made Buicks they PLAN ON exporting to China (though
haven't actually exported any yet), OR they've managed
to get them classified AS TRUCKS.
Damn, you are such a ***** frigging imbecile...
Ah, so they *can* export American cars to China.
*Sigh*
Al Gore never claimed that American car companies
can't build cars that meet Chinese standards. In
fact, he's saying that they can. What Al Gore pointed
out is that American cars DO NOT meet Chinese standards.
You were pretending to be "debunking" Al Gore,
remember?
Stupid fucking chump... can't even remember what
you're arguing... Sheesh!
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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18 Oct 2007 02:15:50 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
So, you stupid chump, the only American-made
car model it specifically mentioned ISN'T A
CAR!
DING!
Freddie-loo, once again with egg on his face.
"Fred," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "Fred"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
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24 Oct 2007 03:38:47 PM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1192734950.182942.104570
@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Liberal (adj.) [lib-er-uh / lib-ruhl] 1. a sufferer of grand delusions,
usually manifesting on narcissistic personal behavior and nihilistic social
outlook or intent, often combined with pathological lying and other
deceitful behaviors; 2. one who is exceptionally bad at math and lacks a
basic comprehension of probability; 3. an economic parasite.
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24 Oct 2007 11:06:04 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
There, I fixed your mistakes.
I can only assume that your mother was an
alcoholic while she was carrying you...
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25 Oct 2007 10:16:11 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1193285164.406361.176920
@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
There, I fixed your mistakes.
I can only assume that my mother was an
alcoholic while she was carrying me...
There, I fixed another couple of mistakes.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
1. "[L]iberals view government instrumentally — unlike conservatives or
libertarians, its size, in the abstract, is of no particular interest. The
choice of tool isn't a question of morality." - Ezra Klein
2. "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." -
Bernard Baruch
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| User: "JTEM" |
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25 Oct 2007 10:35:55 AM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
There, I took my meds and now see what a fucking
***** lick I have been.
Congratulations, "Fred."
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24 Oct 2007 05:25:02 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1192734950.182942.104570
@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
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24 Oct 2007 07:56:40 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:zM6dnQTBnMTVW4LanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1192734950.182942.104570
@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
I agree.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Liberal (adj.) [lib-er-uh / lib-ruhl] 1. a sufferer of grand delusions,
usually manifesting on narcissistic personal behavior and nihilistic
social outlook or intent, often combined with pathological lying and
other deceitful behaviors; 2. one who is exceptionally bad at math and
lacks a basic comprehension of probability; 3. an economic parasite.
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24 Oct 2007 08:34:45 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
I agree.
Wow...such self-deprecation is refreshing. Keep it up.
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24 Oct 2007 10:20:54 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:xrKdnSHp3pIhb4LanZ2dnUVZ_smnnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
I agree.
Wow...such self-deprecation is refreshing. Keep it up.
Irony is the best policy.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Liberal (adj.) [lib-er-uh / lib-ruhl] 1. a sufferer of grand delusions,
usually manifesting on narcissistic personal behavior and nihilistic
social outlook or intent, often combined with pathological lying and
other deceitful behaviors; 2. one who is exceptionally bad at math and
lacks a basic comprehension of probability; 3. an economic parasite.
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24 Oct 2007 11:25:26 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
I agree.
Wow...such self-deprecation is refreshing. Keep it up.
Irony is the best policy.
Irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
If that ain't irony, nuthin' is.
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25 Oct 2007 10:15:13 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:I4qdnUO_W9wjh73anZ2dnUVZ_oaonZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
I agree.
Wow...such self-deprecation is refreshing. Keep it up.
Irony is the best policy.
Irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Where "love" = "doesn't hate".
He's a politician, for pete's sakes.
If that ain't irony, nuthin' is.
If you could deal with the concept that "doesn't hate as much as you
do" is not the same as "love", THAT would be an amazing improvement.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
1. "[L]iberals view government instrumentally — unlike conservatives
or libertarians, its size, in the abstract, is of no particular
interest. The choice of tool isn't a question of morality." - Ezra Klein
2. "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." -
Bernard Baruch
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25 Oct 2007 10:28:54 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Fred worships Bush.
Bush gives him what he wants.
The death of innocent women and children, something he gloats over.
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26 Oct 2007 12:51:23 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:W9dUi.17170
$JD.12957@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Fred worships Bush.
Bush gives him what he wants.
The death of innocent women and children, something he gloats over.
Mmm, yeah, roasted Iraqi babies, with a nice mustard sauce. Mmmmmmmm.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
1. "[L]iberals view government instrumentally — unlike conservatives or
libertarians, its size, in the abstract, is of no particular interest. The
choice of tool isn't a question of morality." - Ezra Klein
2. "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." -
Bernard Baruch
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25 Oct 2007 01:35:11 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Irony is the best policy.
Irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Where "love" = "doesn't hate".
He's a politician, for pete's sakes.
If that ain't irony, nuthin' is.
If you could deal with the concept that "doesn't hate as much as you
do" is not the same as "love", THAT would be an amazing improvement.
Sorry, I guess hyperbole is lost on you.
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26 Oct 2007 12:50:37 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:oOCdneL4Hf16fL3anZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Irony is the best policy.
Irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Where "love" = "doesn't hate".
He's a politician, for pete's sakes.
If that ain't irony, nuthin' is.
If you could deal with the concept that "doesn't hate as much as you
do" is not the same as "love", THAT would be an amazing improvement.
Sorry, I guess hyperbole is lost on you.
Sorry, I guess the concept of "being fucking tired to fucking death of
your stupid hyperbolic ***** comments about me" is beyond your
comprehension.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
1. "[L]iberals view government instrumentally — unlike conservatives
or libertarians, its size, in the abstract, is of no particular
interest. The choice of tool isn't a question of morality." - Ezra Klein
2. "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." -
Bernard Baruch
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27 Oct 2007 06:57:39 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:oOCdneL4Hf16fL3anZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Irony is the best policy.
Irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Where "love" = "doesn't hate".
He's a politician, for pete's sakes.
If that ain't irony, nuthin' is.
If you could deal with the concept that "doesn't hate as much as you
do" is not the same as "love", THAT would be an amazing improvement.
Sorry, I guess hyperbole is lost on you.
Sorry, I guess the concept of "being fucking tired to fucking death of
your stupid hyperbolic ***** comments about me" is beyond your
comprehension.
Pound salt. *shrug*
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25 Oct 2007 11:41:22 AM |
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:25:26 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
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Fred Stone wrote:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
I agree.
Wow...such self-deprecation is refreshing. Keep it up.
Irony is the best policy.
Irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Loves? Worships!
If that ain't irony, nuthin' is.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them.
- Adlai E. Stevenson
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26 Oct 2007 12:52:38 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:4ph1i3h2pn666mbr6qkbfp01hr9mjb7vlv@4ax.com:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:25:26 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"JTEM," like all fundies, ignores the message in favor of
the words. Al Gore said that we can & should
increase our emissions standards, pointing out that
American cars don't even meet Chinese standards. "JTEM"
turned a blind eye towards what Al Gore was saying in
favor of cherry picking specific words then insisting on
interpreting them literally.
...which demonstrates why sarcasm is lost on fundies.
There, I fixed your mistakes.
Shameless.
I agree.
Wow...such self-deprecation is refreshing. Keep it up.
Irony is the best policy.
Irony is in the eye of the beholder.
Behold! An atheist that loves dubya!
Loves? Worships!
Funny, the only ones around here who consider Bush to be a deity (ie,
one who is worshiped, though not by them) are the libruls.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
1. "[L]iberals view government instrumentally — unlike conservatives
or libertarians, its size, in the abstract, is of no particular
interest. The choice of tool isn't a question of morality." - Ezra Klein
2. "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." -
Bernard Baruch
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On 17 Oct 2007 22:06:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1192657417.728153.154320
@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
General Motors Corporation and its Shanghai General
Motors joint venture have signed a multi-year
agreement, worth more than US$800 million, to
export American-built Buick Enclave SUVs and other
vehicles and components to China, beginning in
2008. The Enclave is built in Lansing, Michigan ...
#1.
*I* introduced the deal myself in that other thread.
#2.
Your cite pretending that you couldn't swing a dead
cat in China without hitting an American made car,
while the story clearly states that the exports will
not begin until next year.
You "conveniently" snipped the part about the deal that began in 2004.
#3.
More detailed accounts explain that the deal works
out to about 400 American-built Buicks a year. If
you didn't know, that's about a single day's worth
of production -- for a single shift -- but it's
spread out over an entire year.
So they *can* export American-built cars to China. Thanks for admitting
that I was right.
#4.
GM plans of importing Chinese-built Buicks by the
thousands, if not tens of thousands.
So, in short, you're actually disproven YOUR OWN
CLAIM regarding American-made Buicks in China.
So actually, no.
"You can't export an American car to China: it does
not satisfy the emissions standards."
You fucking psycho! I produced the cites in the other
thread, demostrating the Chinese emissions requirements
AND the emissions from the smallest & cheapest American
Buick. The Buick DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS!
You did no such thing, "JTEM". Not even close.
Clearly, they're either going to ALTER the few American
made Buicks they PLAN ON exporting to China (though
haven't actually exported any yet), OR they've managed
to get them classified AS TRUCKS.
Damn, you are such a ***** frigging imbecile...
Ah, so they *can* export American cars to China. Thanks for admitting
that I was right all along.
No, he said you could export a modified American car to china that had
been fixed to come up to China's higher standards. It's not an
American car that is sold here any more.
But thanks for proving you can lie about what he said.
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