Religions > Atheism > SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl
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08 Dec 2007 02:07:42 AM |
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SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.county29.net/cms2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8546&Itemid=230
Terry Lee Vangorp, 58, a grandfather and former minister from Carmel,
was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in the Indiana Department of
Correction for molesting a 3-year-old girl.
Vangorp made a last-minute plea agreement Nov. 14 while a pool of
potential jurors waited for what was to have been the first day of his
trial. In exchange for his pleading guilty to a Class B felony, two
other charges in connection with the Feb. 8, 2006, incident were
dismissed.
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Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Dr. Lippschitz" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
09 Dec 2007 12:46:35 AM |
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He must have read the talmud and got confused.
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.county29.net/cms2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8546&Itemid=230
Terry Lee Vangorp, 58, a grandfather and former minister from Carmel,
was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in the Indiana Department of
Correction for molesting a 3-year-old girl.
Vangorp made a last-minute plea agreement Nov. 14 while a pool of
potential jurors waited for what was to have been the first day of his
trial. In exchange for his pleading guilty to a Class B felony, two
other charges in connection with the Feb. 8, 2006, incident were
dismissed.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Gator Slayer" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 07:03:37 AM |
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On Dec 8, 3:07=EF=BF=BDam, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>=
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Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.county29.net/cms2/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&i.=
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Terry Lee Vangorp, 58, a grandfather and former minister from Carmel,
was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in the Indiana Department of
Correction for molesting a 3-year-old girl.
Vangorp made a last-minute plea agreement Nov. 14 while a pool of
potential jurors waited for what was to have been the first day of his
trial. In exchange for his pleading guilty to a Class B felony, two
other charges in connection with the Feb. 8, 2006, incident were
dismissed.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
Hang em high.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 04:17:16 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:07:42 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.county29.net/cms2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8546&Itemid=230
Terry Lee Vangorp, 58, a grandfather and former minister from Carmel,
was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in the Indiana Department of
Correction for molesting a 3-year-old girl.
Vangorp made a last-minute plea agreement Nov. 14 while a pool of
potential jurors waited for what was to have been the first day of his
trial. In exchange for his pleading guilty to a Class B felony, two
other charges in connection with the Feb. 8, 2006, incident were
dismissed.
That is beyond DISGUSTING.
Every priest should be rounded up and jailed for not stopping the
MAJORITY who commit these dastardly crimes against non-adults, or
non-consensual adaults.
Their appears to be an overwhelming number of male priests who take
adbantage of their stolen positions of power to sexually abuse
children.
It is time to put a stop to it.
Right now.
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| User: "Green Turtle" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 06:33:23 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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That is beyond DISGUSTING.
Every priest should be rounded up and jailed for not stopping the
MAJORITY who commit these dastardly crimes against non-adults, or
non-consensual adaults.
Their appears to be an overwhelming number of male priests who take
adbantage of their stolen positions of power to sexually abuse
children.
It is time to put a stop to it.
Right now.
The church and most priests have been warning us for years against the evils
and damages that homosexuality can cause. it's good to see that people like
you are speaking out and realize how horrible the homosexuality is in our
society. it is good to see that you believe that these people should be
stopped.
It is important to note note that the church and most of the clergy are
vehemently against these homosexual acts, and do fight against it, and speak
out against it, and the church has always preached that these homosexual
acts should not be done. I believe it is practically 99% of these cases that
the abuse of the childen has been homosexual acts.
It's also important to note that because we have some corrupt police
officers, it does not mean that we throw out our legal system. It is silly
to state that illegal acts by a officer somehow somehow invalidates the
current legal system that we have.
The problem is right now the homosexual community is still pressing
governments and people to keep the right to commit these acts.
After all if there's no morality here, then why stop at a silly thing like a
child's age of eight years old and twenty years old? You mean we have to
adopt morality all the sudden? And, if you're going to adopt some morality,
you'll have to start quickly explain whose morality it is you plan to adopt
in this case.
If you look at the homosexual movement, you see a a sizable portion that
state they reserve the right to commit these acts, and that age is just
another level of morality that's pulled out of the air by Christians. Among
the radical homosexual movement, they simply state there should be any laws
at all concerning sexual acts. After all these people have stated that
there's no such thing as morality and can't be told what to do
anyway....right?
After all, are also in to adopt some Christian values and uphold these
people society to these Christian values?
The Christian teaching from the church on these homosexual acts committed by
priests is crystal clear. there's no wavering in the morality in teaching of
this issue from the church, as to whether society people including some
priests follow it is another matter.
I applaud your view that people committing these horrible homosexual acts
should be rounded up.
Super Turtle.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 07:01:46 AM |
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Green Turtle <SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
Every priest should be rounded up and jailed for not stopping the
MAJORITY who commit these dastardly crimes against non-adults, or
non-consensual adaults.
Their appears to be an overwhelming number of male priests who take
adbantage of their stolen positions of power to sexually abuse
children.
It is time to put a stop to it.
Right now.
The church and most priests have been warning us for years against the evils
and damages that homosexuality can cause. it's good to see that people like
you are speaking out and realize how horrible the homosexuality is in our
society.
Except that the story is about a pastor who molested a 3-year-old GIRL.
But you're a stupid bigot who cares more about hating homosexuals than
protecting children.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Green Turtle" |
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08 Dec 2007 07:16:45 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:475a95ba$0$36385$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Except that the story is about a pastor who molested a 3-year-old GIRL.
But you're a stupid bigot who cares more about hating homosexuals than
protecting children.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Yes, but 99% of the complaints to these priests are for homosexual acts. You
mean all these complaints are not against the acts that priests are involved
in?
And, you have no problem with thus no laws on sexual acts of any kind? (oh,
wait, you are preaching some morally laws, and I guess comes down to which
ones you pick then??).
If this issue has nothing to do with Christian values, then why is the
poster complaining about the priests and his "lack of" Christian values?
This is person is using this issue to attack Christians. I just pointing out
that Christians have been VERY consistent in their teachings on morality. If
you don't see the hypocrisy of this positions of using Christian morality to
attack Christians, then exactly what is your against here?
If the fact of Christians values and a priest is not important, then why
bring it up then?
(you can't have this argument both ways).
Either you do agree with the Christian values being taught, or you don't....
Further more, protecting child from what law or morally are you speaking
about? You have to explain where that morally comes from,and who's morally
you going to adopt.
Furthermore, it was not me who said that these priests should be rounded up,
I was just pointing out that 99% of these cases with priests are homosexual
acts.
There fore, if someone comes here telling me that priests who commits these
acts needs to be rounded up, it not me complaining against this priests
homosexual practices that are occurring here. Don't shoot me the messenger,
you have to get mad at the other posters in this tread....I am just good at
pointing out the hypocrisy of their positions.
If you don't believe in preaching about moral values, then why are you
standing here preaching your morally in this newsgroup then?
Super Turtle.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 03:31:03 PM |
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Green Turtle <SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Except that the story is about a pastor who molested a 3-year-old GIRL.
But you're a stupid bigot who cares more about hating homosexuals than
protecting children.
Yes, but 99% of the complaints to these priests are for homosexual acts.
So far, 100% of your claims are bigoted *****.
And, you have no problem with thus no laws on sexual acts of any kind?
So far 100% of your claims are stupid.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 04:13:49 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Green Turtle <SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Except that the story is about a pastor who molested a 3-year-old GIRL.
But you're a stupid bigot who cares more about hating homosexuals than
protecting children.
Yes, but 99% of the complaints to these priests are for homosexual acts.
So far, 100% of your claims are bigoted *****.
And, you have no problem with thus no laws on sexual acts of any kind?
So far 100% of your claims are stupid.
Build a drive up window at the church so the priests can bless you
through the clowns head in the driveway; Cracker and wine at the window.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 11:42:51 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:16:45 GMT, "Green Turtle"
<SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:475a95ba$0$36385$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Except that the story is about a pastor who molested a 3-year-old GIRL.
But you're a stupid bigot who cares more about hating homosexuals than
protecting children.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Yes, but 99% of the complaints to these priests are for homosexual acts.
Oh, look, another pro-pedophile Christian lie. According to the LA
times fully 50% of the victims in the LA Diocese were female.
But of course you pro-pedophile Christians will blame those on the
gays too.
You
mean all these complaints are not against the acts that priests are involved
in?
And, you have no problem with thus no laws on sexual acts of any kind? (oh,
wait, you are preaching some morally laws, and I guess comes down to which
ones you pick then??).
If this issue has nothing to do with Christian values, then why is the
poster complaining about the priests and his "lack of" Christian values?
This is person is using this issue to attack Christians. I just pointing out
that Christians have been VERY consistent in their teachings on morality. If
you don't see the hypocrisy of this positions of using Christian morality to
attack Christians, then exactly what is your against here?
If the fact of Christians values and a priest is not important, then why
bring it up then?
(you can't have this argument both ways).
Either you do agree with the Christian values being taught, or you don't....
Further more, protecting child from what law or morally are you speaking
about? You have to explain where that morally comes from,and who's morally
you going to adopt.
Furthermore, it was not me who said that these priests should be rounded up,
I was just pointing out that 99% of these cases with priests are homosexual
acts.
There fore, if someone comes here telling me that priests who commits these
acts needs to be rounded up, it not me complaining against this priests
homosexual practices that are occurring here. Don't shoot me the messenger,
you have to get mad at the other posters in this tread....I am just good at
pointing out the hypocrisy of their positions.
If you don't believe in preaching about moral values, then why are you
standing here preaching your morally in this newsgroup then?
Super Turtle.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Green Turtle" |
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08 Dec 2007 12:32:08 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
Oh, look, another pro-pedophile Christian lie. According to the LA
times fully 50% of the victims in the LA Diocese were female.
Well, in case you missed your own headline, I *THOUGHT* the issue here is
under age sexual crimes.
How could 50% of the under age victims be female when they did not allow
alter girls for the most of the last century, except for some liberal
churches?
After all, if you read YOUR headline, we talking about underage sex acts
here.
So, that LA article will have to define what they mean by victims, and they
have to give me a percentage of alter boys vs alter girls, and they have to
tell me what year they started EVEN ALLOWING alter girls.
The idea that 50% of the victims for under age sexcual acts was 50/50 is
laughable.
Super Turtle
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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09 Dec 2007 11:49:55 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:32:08 GMT, "Green Turtle"
<SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
Oh, look, another pro-pedophile Christian lie. According to the LA
times fully 50% of the victims in the LA Diocese were female.
Well, in case you missed your own headline, I *THOUGHT* the issue here is
under age sexual crimes.
How could 50% of the under age victims be female when they did not allow
alter girls for the most of the last century, except for some liberal
churches?
Oh look, another dishonest pro-pedophile Christian response.
In case you haven't noticed, priests don't just have contacts with
altar boys, but with everyone of both geneder at every age.
But of course to a pro-pedophile Christian like you, teh gays is a far
more evil thing than little grils getting molested.
After all, if you read YOUR headline, we talking about underage sex acts
here.
So, that LA article will have to define what they mean by victims, and they
have to give me a percentage of alter boys vs alter girls, and they have to
tell me what year they started EVEN ALLOWING alter girls.
The idea that 50% of the victims for under age sexcual acts was 50/50 is
laughable.
Super Turtle
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Green Turtle" |
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10 Dec 2007 03:50:27 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
In case you haven't noticed, priests don't just have contacts with
altar boys, but with everyone of both geneder at every age.
And explain to me what opportunities that they have to alone with these
general parishioners of a church?
Most of the newspapers and cases have been sensationalized around the case
of priests with young boys. The reason for this of course is that when
they're altar boys there's greater opportunities for priest to be alone with
these people.
It is absolutely laughable to stand here and equate contact with general
parishioners of a church to that of opportunities that arise for priest to
be alone with altar boys. The comparison is not even in the same ballpark.
Furthermore for other areas of possible contact such as teaching in schools,
we find virtually 99% of the teaching is done by women (sisters) for the
young elementary grades of school.
I hate to burst your bubble, but your comparison is not even remotely close.
Super Turtle
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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11 Dec 2007 02:26:46 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:50:27 GMT, "Green Turtle"
<SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
In case you haven't noticed, priests don't just have contacts with
altar boys, but with everyone of both geneder at every age.
And explain to me what opportunities that they have to alone with these
general parishioners of a church?
Most of the newspapers and cases have been sensationalized around the case
of priests with young boys. The reason for this of course is that when
they're altar boys there's greater opportunities for priest to be alone with
these people.
It is absolutely laughable to stand here and equate contact with general
parishioners of a church to that of opportunities that arise for priest to
be alone with altar boys. The comparison is not even in the same ballpark.
Furthermore for other areas of possible contact such as teaching in schools,
we find virtually 99% of the teaching is done by women (sisters) for the
young elementary grades of school.
I hate to burst your bubble, but your comparison is not even remotely close.
Super Liar
Rephrased, to demonstrate the utter hypocrosy of your criminal
apologetics and evasion of YOUR direct responsiblity for enabling
these vile crimes, you anonymous paedophile abetting *****:
(Poor grammar preserved)
And explain to me what opportunities that they have to alone with
these general members of the Nazi Party?
Most of the newspapers and cases have been sensationalized around the
case of soldiers with young Jews. The reason for this of course is
that when they're prisoners there's greater opportunities for SS
Guards to be alone with these people.
It is absolutely laughable to stand here and equate contact with
general members of the Nazi Party to that of opportunities that arise
for SS to be alone with Jews. The comparison is not even in the same
ballpark.
Furthermore for other areas of possible contact such as teaching in
schools, we find virtually 99% of the teaching is done by Nazi women
for the young Jews of prison camp.
I hate to burst your bubble, but your comparison is not even remotely
close.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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11 Dec 2007 01:55:13 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:50:27 GMT, "Green Turtle"
<SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
In case you haven't noticed, priests don't just have contacts with
altar boys, but with everyone of both geneder at every age.
And explain to me what opportunities that they have to alone with these
general parishioners of a church?
You tell me:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=priest+molest+girl&qt_s=Search&enc_author=Yo1j6BQAAACocUo-SeRm_NsaCFFbzOOCOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
Most of the newspapers and cases have been sensationalized around the case
of priests with young boys. The reason for this of course is that when
they're altar boys there's greater opportunities for priest to be alone with
these people.
It is absolutely laughable to stand here and equate contact with general
parishioners of a church to that of opportunities that arise for priest to
be alone with altar boys. The comparison is not even in the same ballpark.
Furthermore for other areas of possible contact such as teaching in schools,
we find virtually 99% of the teaching is done by women (sisters) for the
young elementary grades of school.
I hate to burst your bubble, but your comparison is not even remotely close.
Super Turtle
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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08 Dec 2007 07:42:08 AM |
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Green Turtle wrote:
The church and most priests have been warning us for years against the evils
and damages that homosexuality can cause. it's good to see that people like
you are speaking out and realize how horrible the homosexuality is in our
society. it is good to see that you believe that these people should be
stopped.
And yet the same people are a perfect lab experiment for a well-understood
psychological fact: Sexual repressions generate distorted sexual expressions.
If these priests could marry, like normal people, they would generally bang much
fewer children.
"We may eventually come to realize that chastity is no more a virtue than
malnutrition." -- Alex Comfort
The problem is right now the homosexual community is still pressing
governments and people to keep the right to commit these acts.
Homosexuals, the men who go for men, are statistically much less likely to want
children, of either gender, than heterosexuals.
So, once again, repressing homosexuals is part of the problem, not the solution.
The Christian teaching from the church on these homosexual acts committed by
priests is crystal clear.
Actually, it isn't. The Bible has passages saying man-on-man is an abomination...
....and also has passages advising to kill all your enemies and take their virgin
girls as slaves.
Each generation should interpret any holy scripture according to its own needs.
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Phlip
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08 Dec 2007 08:17:14 AM |
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"Phlip" <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Green Turtle wrote:
If these priests could marry, like normal people, they would generally
bang much fewer children.
They would? Says who? Some churches allow priests to marry anyway. Even
Catholic priests can be permitted to marry. It is not a dogmatic teaching of
the faith, but ONLY that of church law. For example, there are MANY
Ukrainian catholic priests who are marred.
Today, the institution of marriage is in ABSOLUTE SHAMBLES and the number of
people that been marred 2, 3 or even 5 times is simply amazing.
allowing to marry has absolute zero effect on these homosexual acts
committed on young boys.
Homosexuals, the men who go for men, are statistically much less likely to
want children, of either gender, than heterosexuals.
Well not according the popular press, or perhaps they just cover the priests
who abused young boys.
So, once again, repressing homosexuals is part of the problem, not the
solution.
Right, then why should we repress this guy who wants to abuse 4 year olds
then? Based on your ideology, it all about repression? We have more free sex
and exposure to immorality today then we every had, and we also seen an
increase of problems abuse of children at the same time. It seems to me the
problem is we complete OUT OF self control. We steal, cheat, and abuses
people with no more control then having a cup of coffee.
It is LACK of self control is the problem here. We have NO repression today,
and it just laughable for you to stand here and tell me that we need even
LESS repression of peoples morals.
The Christian teaching from the church on these homosexual acts committed
by priests is crystal clear.
Actually, it isn't. The Bible has passages saying man-on-man is an
abomination...
...and also has passages advising to kill all your enemies and take their
virgin girls as slaves.
Each generation should interpret any holy scripture according to its own
needs.
Well, that not the teaching of the universal (catholic) church.
You have to go to the people that put the bible together, and thus know how
to interpret it. That is the catholic church. THEY are the ones that defined
what goes into that book (and also choose what will NOT be placed in that
book). They are the ones that MADE the choices as to what goes into that
book. If we can't trust who put the book together, then you can't trust the
book, can you?
Furthermore, the universal (catholic) church HAS NEVER changed their
dogmatic teachings on matters of faith and morals. I repeat, they NEVER have
changed their teachings on faith and morals. If you can find that change in
teaching on morals and faith, you going have to point out that. The church
was around a good 400 years before the bible was created. You will have to
find for me and point out what moral interpretation the catholic church has
changed with regards to the bible?
You certainly not find a change on position from that church. Perhaps if you
talking about a TV evangelist, then sure...anything goes.
I guess the issue here is we certainly don't want the original poster
reserving the right to attack people of the cloth for the sake that they
wear the cloth. And, I suppose one could point out the same in my case by
identifying another group called homosexuals.
If we going stop identifying particular groups of people to complain
about...you have to talk to the original poster who started this thread.
Super Turtle
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 08:22:12 AM |
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Green Turtle wrote:
allowing to marry has absolute zero effect on these homosexual acts
committed on young boys.
Topic evasion noted. The system requires many priests to be chaste. That's bad
for them.
But you probably feel ... that special feeling ... when you blame everything on
homosexuals, so don't let me try to stop you!
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08 Dec 2007 09:15:14 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:42:08 -0800, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
Green Turtle wrote:
The church and most priests have been warning us for years against the evils
and damages that homosexuality can cause. it's good to see that people like
you are speaking out and realize how horrible the homosexuality is in our
society. it is good to see that you believe that these people should be
stopped.
And yet the same people are a perfect lab experiment for a well-understood
psychological fact: Sexual repressions generate distorted sexual expressions.
If these priests could marry, like normal people, they would generally bang much
fewer children.
"We may eventually come to realize that chastity is no more a virtue than
malnutrition." -- Alex Comfort
I can't help but note that many people fast --- deliberately
malnourish themselves --- during Lent and Ramadan.
The problem is right now the homosexual community is still pressing
governments and people to keep the right to commit these acts.
Homosexuals, the men who go for men, are statistically much less likely to want
children, of either gender, than heterosexuals.
So, once again, repressing homosexuals is part of the problem, not the solution.
The Christian teaching from the church on these homosexual acts committed by
priests is crystal clear.
Actually, it isn't. The Bible has passages saying man-on-man is an abomination...
...and also has passages advising to kill all your enemies and take their virgin
girls as slaves.
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 01:43:53 PM |
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3883 Dead wrote:
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:42:08 -0800, Phlip <phlip2005@gmail.com> wrote:
Green Turtle wrote:
I can't help but note that many people fast --- deliberately
malnourish themselves --- during Lent and Ramadan.
Like vegans and anorexics?
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 09:25:03 AM |
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3883 Dead wrote:
If these priests could marry, like normal people, they would generally bang much
fewer children.
"We may eventually come to realize that chastity is no more a virtue than
malnutrition." -- Alex Comfort
I can't help but note that many people fast --- deliberately
malnourish themselves --- during Lent and Ramadan.
True fasting is a mystic endeavor that gets you high on anorexia. Do not attempt.
Those fasts are head-games. In one, you starve all day and feast at night. In
the other, you only refuse certain types of food. I suspect beans, potatoes, and
milk are not among them, so you should be covered!
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 01:39:55 PM |
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Phlip wrote:
3883 Dead wrote:
If these priests could marry, like normal people, they would
generally bang much fewer children.
Sacramental prostitutes might be in order.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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08 Dec 2007 11:41:31 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:33:23 GMT, "Green Turtle"
<SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:5jrkl3tp1j96ia3mh410nktas7gfr7flpj@4ax.com...
That is beyond DISGUSTING.
Every priest should be rounded up and jailed for not stopping the
MAJORITY who commit these dastardly crimes against non-adults, or
non-consensual adaults.
Their appears to be an overwhelming number of male priests who take
adbantage of their stolen positions of power to sexually abuse
children.
It is time to put a stop to it.
Right now.
The church and most priests have been warning us for years against the evils
and damages that homosexuality can cause.
Leave it up to you pro-pedophile Christians to blame teh gays for a
guy MOLESTING HIS OWN DAUGHTER.
After all, what best characterize a gay guy than to go after a member
of the opposite sex, right?
Fucking moron.
it's good to see that people like
you are speaking out and realize how horrible the homosexuality is in our
society. it is good to see that you believe that these people should be
stopped.
It is important to note note that the church and most of the clergy are
vehemently against these homosexual acts, and do fight against it, and speak
out against it, and the church has always preached that these homosexual
acts should not be done. I believe it is practically 99% of these cases that
the abuse of the childen has been homosexual acts.
It's also important to note that because we have some corrupt police
officers, it does not mean that we throw out our legal system. It is silly
to state that illegal acts by a officer somehow somehow invalidates the
current legal system that we have.
The problem is right now the homosexual community is still pressing
governments and people to keep the right to commit these acts.
After all if there's no morality here, then why stop at a silly thing like a
child's age of eight years old and twenty years old? You mean we have to
adopt morality all the sudden? And, if you're going to adopt some morality,
you'll have to start quickly explain whose morality it is you plan to adopt
in this case.
If you look at the homosexual movement, you see a a sizable portion that
state they reserve the right to commit these acts, and that age is just
another level of morality that's pulled out of the air by Christians. Among
the radical homosexual movement, they simply state there should be any laws
at all concerning sexual acts. After all these people have stated that
there's no such thing as morality and can't be told what to do
anyway....right?
After all, are also in to adopt some Christian values and uphold these
people society to these Christian values?
The Christian teaching from the church on these homosexual acts committed by
priests is crystal clear. there's no wavering in the morality in teaching of
this issue from the church, as to whether society people including some
priests follow it is another matter.
I applaud your view that people committing these horrible homosexual acts
should be rounded up.
Super Turtle.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Green Turtle" |
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08 Dec 2007 12:47:44 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
Leave it up to you pro-pedophile Christians to blame teh gays for a
guy MOLESTING HIS OWN DAUGHTER.
After all, what best characterize a gay guy than to go after a member
of the opposite sex, right?
I not blaming homosexuals for this guy, but you are the one that started the
Christian attacks here.
Takes someone like you to characterize people of the cloth here. In case you
missed my point, YOU ARE the one that STARTED characterization a group of
people here. If you don't believe in characterizing people, then why are
you?
So, you mean YOU AND ONLY YOU reserve the right to attack people, but we
don't have that right now?
So it is only you that reserve the right to make the moral judgments here,
and not everyone else?
Right...got it, your the only legitimate moral code here, and , what is the
origin of that moral code?
If you did not want to start a fight attaching Christians (or gays, or
whatever), then why did you make the post then? Just a quick scan of your
posts shows them to have religious issues in the titles.
You mean you are one that seems to be spreading a hatred of ALL priests, and
are characterizing them as all bad?
Now who's spreading hate? If you don't believe in identifying a group of
people and guilt by associating, then why are you making these posts
then...hum?
Time to hold up the mirror, and look at who you see!!
Super Turtle
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 03:32:35 PM |
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Green Turtle <SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
Leave it up to you pro-pedophile Christians to blame teh gays for a
guy MOLESTING HIS OWN DAUGHTER.
After all, what best characterize a gay guy than to go after a member
of the opposite sex, right?
I not blaming homosexuals for this guy,
You certainly started by blaming homosexuals.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Green Turtle" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 09:12:04 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:475b0d73$0$36371$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
You certainly started by blaming homosexuals.
No, I did not. Take a read of the subject of this thread.
I did not bring up the issue of Christians, and did not start this guilt by
association fight.
The idea that these type of behaviors is acceptable to Christians is pure
rubbish, but then again, I did not start this thread with a title that
blames Christianity here.
If you don't believe in guilt by association, then you have to apply that
concept to both Christians and homosexuals.
Super Turtle
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
09 Dec 2007 11:47:35 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:47:44 GMT, "Green Turtle"
<SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
Leave it up to you pro-pedophile Christians to blame teh gays for a
guy MOLESTING HIS OWN DAUGHTER.
After all, what best characterize a gay guy than to go after a member
of the opposite sex, right?
I not blaming homosexuals for this guy, but you are the one that started the
Christian attacks here.
No, you simply attack teh gays at ecvery opportunity, becuase to
pro-pedophile Christians like you, molesting a girl is a far smaller
offense than two consenting adults of teh same gender having sex.
Takes someone like you to characterize people of the cloth here. In case you
missed my point, YOU ARE the one that STARTED characterization a group of
people here. If you don't believe in characterizing people, then why are
you?
So, you mean YOU AND ONLY YOU reserve the right to attack people, but we
don't have that right now?
So it is only you that reserve the right to make the moral judgments here,
and not everyone else?
Right...got it, your the only legitimate moral code here, and , what is the
origin of that moral code?
If you did not want to start a fight attaching Christians (or gays, or
whatever), then why did you make the post then? Just a quick scan of your
posts shows them to have religious issues in the titles.
You mean you are one that seems to be spreading a hatred of ALL priests, and
are characterizing them as all bad?
Now who's spreading hate? If you don't believe in identifying a group of
people and guilt by associating, then why are you making these posts
then...hum?
Time to hold up the mirror, and look at who you see!!
Super Turtle
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: IN Pastor Sentenced for Molesting 3 YO girl |
08 Dec 2007 03:33:18 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:33:23 GMT, "Green Turtle"
<SuperTurtle@greenpiece.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:5jrkl3tp1j96ia3mh410nktas7gfr7flpj@4ax.com...
That is beyond DISGUSTING.
Every priest should be rounded up and jailed for not stopping the
MAJORITY who commit these dastardly crimes against non-adults, or
non-consensual adaults.
Their appears to be an overwhelming number of male priests who take
adbantage of their stolen positions of power to sexually abuse
children.
It is time to put a stop to it.
Right now.
The church and most priests have been warning us for years against the evils
and damages that homosexuality can cause. it's good to see that people like
you are speaking out and realize how horrible the homosexuality is in our
society. it is good to see that you believe that these people should be
stopped.
My rage has NOTHING to do with sexual preference, but you grabbed my
words and perverted them for your own purposes.
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