Religions > Atheism > SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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04 Sep 2007 10:36:16 AM |
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SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
Let me guess, he voted Republican too.
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7013869
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - A pastor accused of stealing from his
congregation has been sentenced to more than five years in prison.
Reverend John Henry Walker was also ordered to pay more than $277,000
in restitution to the government. He pleaded guilty to tax evasion,
bank fraud and lying to federal agents.
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Yang
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"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
19 Sep 2007 08:35:49 AM |
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On Sep 18, 11:18 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:22:54 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 14, 7:40 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:48:23 -0700,
"Salvation" makes no sense at all.
It is an incoherent bunch of ad hoc babble.
In your opinion.
Oh derr...
I have yet to have anyone explain it coherently, or have heard of
anyone explained it coherently.
Wanna have a go?
You seem to think that it is a doddle.-
There's a difference between something being coherent and it being
right.
An incoherent explanation can't, by its very nature, be right.
Sure it can. Right is right by its very nature. It does not depend
upon being comprehensible to you or me or anyone else. Right doesn't
become wrong simply by virtue of any particular person not
understanding how it is right.
I didn't claim you should believe in salvation if you choose
not to, I'm just saying that it isn't incoherent babble. It is a
clear and internally consistent concept, whether you believe in the
truth of it or not.
So explain it in a coherent manner.
How, if Adam and Eve DIDN'T know the difference between right and
wrong, could they sin? (Sinning is KNOWINGLY doing wrong.)
How, if Adam and Eve DID know the difference between right and wrong,
would it be a sin (or even possible) to "learn" the difference between
right and wrong (which is what "eating of the fruit of the tree of
knowledge or good and evil" means)?
It doesn't really matter whether what Adam and Eve did was a sin or
not. That isn't the point of the story. Sure it is the original sin
and all that, but the real point is the knowledge they gained not the
eating of the apple itself.
What other possibility is there? Either they did know or they didn't
know.
Coherent explanation here, please:
It's simple. By gaining the knowledge, they lost their innocence.
And, having this knowledge, they became sinners and thus separate from
God. Every person born of Adam and Eve, all of us, inherits this
capacity for sin. It is innate. In order to join with God, a person
must have sin removed. If you could manage to live life entirely
without sin then you'd be fine to enter Heaven, but such a thing is
not humanly possible. Since you can't go through life untainted by
sin, you need a way to remove that taint. Salvation is the removal of
sin. Whether you believe this or not, and as I've said elsewhere in
this thread, I do not believe it, it is coherent and internally
consistent.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
19 Sep 2007 10:08:45 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:35:49 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 18, 11:18 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:22:54 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 14, 7:40 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:48:23 -0700,
"Salvation" makes no sense at all.
It is an incoherent bunch of ad hoc babble.
In your opinion.
Oh derr...
I have yet to have anyone explain it coherently, or have heard of
anyone explained it coherently.
Wanna have a go?
You seem to think that it is a doddle.-
There's a difference between something being coherent and it being
right.
An incoherent explanation can't, by its very nature, be right.
Sure it can. Right is right by its very nature.
Incoherent can't be right, by its very nature.
It does not depend upon being comprehensible to you or me or anyone else.
"Incoherent" doesn't mean that someone can't understand it, it means
that it makes no sense. Not "to" someone - it makes no internal
sense. And an assertion that makes no sense can't be "right". Period.
Right doesn't become wrong simply by virtue of any particular person not
understanding how it is right.
An incoherent assertion isn't right in the first place.
How, if Adam and Eve DID know the difference between right and wrong,
would it be a sin (or even possible) to "learn" the difference between
right and wrong (which is what "eating of the fruit of the tree of
knowledge or good and evil" means)?
It doesn't really matter whether what Adam and Eve did was a sin or
not.
OF COURSE IT DOES!
You're claiming that it doesn't matter if original sin was a sin or
not? If original sin wasn't a sin, we're not sinners, so we don't
need to be saved, so there's no coherent reason for Jesus.
That isn't the point of the story. Sure it is the original sin
and all that, but the real point is the knowledge they gained not the
eating of the apple itself.
The WHOLE point of the story of original sin is THE ORIGINAL SIN! No
sin, no need for salvation. No need for salvation, no need for a
savior. No need for a savior, no need for Christianity.
(There's no "apple" - the "fruit" was the knowledge.)
What other possibility is there? Either they did know or they didn't
know.
Coherent explanation here, please:
It's simple. By gaining the knowledge
In order to have gained it, they couldn't have had it, which makes the
act of gaining it blameless, since it wasn't a KNOWING wrong. In
order for it to have been a sin they would have had to know it was
wrong, in which case they COULDN'T HAVE *learned* that it was wrong.
The story is incoherent (it doesn't hold together).
Want to try again?
Whether you believe this or not, and as I've said elsewhere in
this thread, I do not believe it, it is coherent and internally
consistent.
And, as I just showed, it's incoherent. If they DIDN'T know that
disobedience was wrong, disobeying WASN'T a sin. If they DID know,
"gaining" the knowledge that it was wrong was impossible. Totally
incoherent.
You're assuming that it was coherent as a condition of proving that it
was coherent, only because you need it to be coherent in order for
your religion to have meaning.
(What was that about not being disrespectful first?)
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
18 Sep 2007 05:23:19 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:18:51 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:22:54 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 14, 7:40 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:48:23 -0700,
"Salvation" makes no sense at all.
It is an incoherent bunch of ad hoc babble.
In your opinion.
Oh derr...
I have yet to have anyone explain it coherently, or have heard of
anyone explained it coherently.
Wanna have a go?
You seem to think that it is a doddle.-
There's a difference between something being coherent and it being
right.
An incoherent explanation can't, by its very nature, be right.
I didn't claim you should believe in salvation if you choose
not to, I'm just saying that it isn't incoherent babble. It is a
clear and internally consistent concept, whether you believe in the
truth of it or not.
So explain it in a coherent manner.
How, if Adam and Eve DIDN'T know the difference between right and
wrong, could they sin? (Sinning is KNOWINGLY doing wrong.)
How, if Adam and Eve DID know the difference between right and wrong,
would it be a sin (or even possible) to "learn" the difference between
right and wrong (which is what "eating of the fruit of the tree of
knowledge or good and evil" means)?
What other possibility is there? Either they did know or they didn't
know.
Coherent explanation here, please:
Hah!!
Don't hold your breath Al.
The infantile liar for Jeebers hasn't got a hope, as he doesn't
understand it either, but lies through his stinking Christian teeth
that he does.
With every post he has dragged Christianity down a notch.
I say: MOre power to him!
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
02 Oct 2007 10:28:43 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:24:44 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:17:46 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:36 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Let me guess, he voted Republican too.
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority that the vast majority
of Christians make no actual claims of having but anti-religious
zealots attribute to them so they'll have something to rant about.
The common Christian position is that every Christian is a sinner.
Not morally superior. That's what salvation is all about.
"Salvation" makes no sense at all.
It is an incoherent bunch of ad hoc babble.
Salvation is God pretending to save us from God.
Its a protection racket.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
I do not represent atheists or atheism
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
13 Sep 2007 09:53:55 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:17:46 -0700, patrick.barnes wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:36 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Let me guess, he voted Republican too.
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority that the vast majority
of Christians make no actual claims of having but anti-religious
zealots attribute to them so they'll have something to rant about.
Oh, *****. christers brag about their god and how subservient they are
to it then compare themselves to non-christers so they can look down on
others. Read some of Trumpet's ***** subject lines for example.
The common Christian position is that every Christian is a sinner. Not
morally superior. That's what salvation is all about.
the common christers position is on a self-constructed pedestal. It's fun
to kick the paper mache struts and watch it crumble.
Just as Yang is doing.
-- Regards, Curly
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
19 Sep 2007 08:44:46 AM |
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On Sep 13, 10:53 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <cu...@offshore.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:17:46 -0700, patrick.barnes wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:36 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Let me guess, he voted Republican too.
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority that the vast majority
of Christians make no actual claims of having but anti-religious
zealots attribute to them so they'll have something to rant about.
Oh, *****. christers brag about their god and how subservient they are
to it then compare themselves to non-christers so they can look down on
others. Read some of Trumpet's ***** subject lines for example.
Trumpet is Trumpet. Trumpet is not the "vast majority" of Christians.
The common Christian position is that every Christian is a sinner. Not
morally superior. That's what salvation is all about.
the common christers position is on a self-constructed pedestal. It's fun
to kick the paper mache struts and watch it crumble.
Just as Yang is doing.
There are elementary principles of logic that dictate you cannot
generalize from the few to the many and that correlation does not
imply causation. Yang repeatedly violates both of these in virtually
everything he posts. I'm sure it's good for emotional reinforcement
for atheist bigots, but as far as actually accomplishing anything I'm
afraid it isn't kicking the struts out of anything. It's just proving
that some atheists are not as intellectually superior as they might
like to think they are.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
19 Sep 2007 10:23:53 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:44:46 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
There are elementary principles of logic that dictate you cannot
generalize from the few to the many and that correlation does not
imply causation. Yang repeatedly violates both of these in virtually
everything he posts.
How does showing that the Christian claim that being Christian means
being morally superior is nonsense violating anything but stupidity?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
20 Sep 2007 02:01:09 PM |
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On Sep 19, 11:23 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:44:46 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
There are elementary principles of logic that dictate you cannot
generalize from the few to the many and that correlation does not
imply causation. Yang repeatedly violates both of these in virtually
everything he posts.
How does showing that the Christian claim that being Christian means
being morally superior is nonsense violating anything but stupidity?
I have yet to see the proof that it is a "Christian claim" as opposed
to a "claim made by some Christians." Christians are not a monolithic
group. Every Christian on the planet is a unique individual. There
is not even one unversally accepted definition of what Christianity
itself is. So all the stuff about what Christians do and what
Christians think is unsubstantiated stereotyping and bigotry. The age
old test "replace the word X with 'black' and then see how it sounds"
applies here. If it would be hate speech if you were saying such a
thing about homosexuals or black people or whatever, then chances are
it is bigotry to say it about Christians too. And were I to say that
homosexuals or black people claim to be morally superior to everyone
else, I would indeed be called a bigot.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
20 Sep 2007 02:49:03 PM |
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On Sep 20, 3:01 pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 11:23 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:44:46 -0700,
wrote:
There are elementary principles of logic that dictate you cannot
generalize from the few to the many and that correlation does not
imply causation. Yang repeatedly violates both of these in virtually
everything he posts.
How does showing that the Christian claim that being Christian means
being morally superior is nonsense violating anything but stupidity?
I have yet to see the proof that it is a "Christian claim" as opposed
to a "claim made by some Christians." Christians are not a monolithic
group. Every Christian on the planet is a unique individual. There
is not even one unversally accepted definition of what Christianity
itself is. So all the stuff about what Christians do and what
Christians think is unsubstantiated stereotyping and bigotry. The age
old test "replace the word X with 'black' and then see how it sounds"
applies here. If it would be hate speech if you were saying such a
thing about homosexuals or black people or whatever, then chances are
it is bigotry to say it about Christians too. And were I to say that
homosexuals or black people claim to be morally superior to everyone
else, I would indeed be called a bigot.
Bullcrap. Christianity is a thought system one of choice...you cannot
use physical
words to replace it, if you want to use Democrat, Atheist, or Sports-
Fan as an argument, fine...but you cannot honestly make the comparison
to race.
Hatter
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
21 Sep 2007 07:01:37 AM |
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On Sep 20, 3:49 pm, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:01 pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 11:23 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:44:46 -0700,
wrote:
There are elementary principles of logic that dictate you cannot
generalize from the few to the many and that correlation does not
imply causation. Yang repeatedly violates both of these in virtually
everything he posts.
How does showing that the Christian claim that being Christian means
being morally superior is nonsense violating anything but stupidity?
I have yet to see the proof that it is a "Christian claim" as opposed
to a "claim made by some Christians." Christians are not a monolithic
group. Every Christian on the planet is a unique individual. There
is not even one unversally accepted definition of what Christianity
itself is. So all the stuff about what Christians do and what
Christians think is unsubstantiated stereotyping and bigotry. The age
old test "replace the word X with 'black' and then see how it sounds"
applies here. If it would be hate speech if you were saying such a
thing about homosexuals or black people or whatever, then chances are
it is bigotry to say it about Christians too. And were I to say that
homosexuals or black people claim to be morally superior to everyone
else, I would indeed be called a bigot.
Bullcrap. Christianity is a thought system one of choice...you cannot
use physical
words to replace it, if you want to use Democrat, Atheist, or Sports-
Fan as an argument, fine...but you cannot honestly make the comparison
to race.
Hatter
Irrelevant. Making arbitrary distinctions like that doesn't excuse
your bigotry Hatter. Whether you are born into a minority group or
choose to enter a minority group is quite beside the point. It is
still bigotry when you do not judge individuals as individuals.
Note that along with words such a gender and race, it is illegal to
discriminate on the basis of creed. Creed in that context means
religious beliefs.
I'm sorry that you can't rationalize away religious bigotry by
claiming it's okay to be prejudiced against people as long as those
people chose to be part of the group you're prejudiced against. But
facts are facts.
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
19 Sep 2007 06:40:33 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:44:46 -0700, patrick.barnes wrote:
On Sep 13, 10:53 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <cu...@offshore.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:17:46 -0700, patrick.barnes wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:36 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Let me guess, he voted Republican too.
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority that the vast majority
of Christians make no actual claims of having but anti-religious
zealots attribute to them so they'll have something to rant about.
Oh, *****. christers brag about their god and how subservient they
are to it then compare themselves to non-christers so they can look down
on others. Read some of Trumpet's ***** subject lines for example.
Trumpet is Trumpet. Trumpet is not the "vast majority" of Christians.
The common Christian position is that every Christian is a sinner. Not
morally superior. That's what salvation is all about.
the common christers position is on a self-constructed pedestal. It's
fun to kick the paper mache struts and watch it crumble.
Just as Yang is doing.
There are elementary principles of logic that dictate you cannot
generalize from the few
"few?"
to the many and that correlation does not imply causation.
You've yet to make the arguement that these many _examples_ are a
correlation. All by those in denial see them objectively, as proof.
Yang repeatedly violates both of these in virtually everything
he posts.
Your house of cards just fell down.
I'm sure it's good for emotional reinforcement for atheist
bigots, but as far as actually accomplishing anything I'm afraid it isn't
kicking the struts out of anything. It's just proving that some atheists
are not as intellectually superior as they might like to think they are.
If that's what brings you peace of mind then by all means bury your head
in the sand. Religionists are destroying society and no amount of denial
can change that, only forcefully countering the religion meme can mankind
move beyond our barbaric history.
-- Regards, Curly
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War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
04 Sep 2007 11:16:47 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Let me guess, he voted Republican too.
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7013869
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - A pastor accused of stealing from his
congregation has been sentenced to more than five years in prison.
Reverend John Henry Walker was also ordered to pay more than $277,000
in restitution to the government. He pleaded guilty to tax evasion,
bank fraud and lying to federal agents.
Clinton Lied to Federal Agents? Taxes are just money. People
fraudulently get and attempt to get money from me every day.
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
--
http://OutSourcedNews.com
Our constitution protects criminals, drunks and U.S. Senators. Which at
times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing. - Gump That -
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
04 Sep 2007 04:23:08 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<WatchDog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
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| User: "Harley" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
04 Sep 2007 04:57:56 PM |
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"> No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.>>
Kinda like those who worship the false religion of Global Warming?
Harley
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
04 Sep 2007 11:43:52 PM |
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:57:56 -0500, "Harley" <Cool@Mont.com> wrote:
"> No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.>>
Kinda like those who worship the false religion of Global Warming?
Kinda of like you GOP chickenhawk losers who sacrifice Americans on
your altar of lies.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
09 Sep 2007 06:12:07 PM |
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On Sep 4, 9:43 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:57:56 -0500, "Harley" <C...@Mont.com> wrote:
"> No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.>>
Kinda like those who worship the false religion of Global Warming?
Kinda of like you GOP chickenhawk losers who sacrifice Americans on
your altar of lies.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
Another example of two nutty religious groups, Chrisitany and AGW,
finding common cause:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/GlobalWarming/story?id=3572327
"By CARRIE McGOURTY
Sept. 7, 2007
Religious leaders from all over the world met at the mouth of a
melting glacier in Greenland today to say a silent prayer for the
planet, appealing to mankind to address the impact that humanity is
having on life on Earth."
- A. McIntire
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
09 Sep 2007 09:45:44 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:12:07 -0700, "alanmc95210@yahoo.com"
<alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote:
Religious leaders from all over the world met at the mouth of a
melting glacier in Greenland today to say a silent prayer for the
planet, appealing to mankind to address the impact that humanity is
having on life on Earth."
What a load of crap. Jebis is still afraid to rile the Romans.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
12 Sep 2007 02:01:22 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jtb9e3597vpf03685np1ftlrqdolghhb9h@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:12:07 -0700, "alanmc95210@yahoo.com"
<alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote:
Religious leaders from all over the world met at the mouth of a
melting glacier in Greenland today to say a silent prayer for the
planet, appealing to mankind to address the impact that humanity is
having on life on Earth."
What a load of crap. Jebis is still afraid to rile the Romans.
Yup. Prayer is a waste of time. Only science
will save us now. I can hear the idiotic fundies
screaming even now with their total lack of
knowledge - their willing total lack of knowledge.
Some of them would rather die than be proven
wrong. They are that gullibly dumb. Or is just
that their leaders are willing to sacrifice their
followers and their own future generations for
whatever financial gain they can gain for
themselves now. They certainly don't believe
in any kind of Rapture but one that will fill
their coffers.
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12 Sep 2007 09:47:07 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:01:22 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
Or is just
that their leaders are willing to sacrifice their
followers and their own future generations for
whatever financial gain they can gain for
themselves now. They certainly don't believe
in any kind of Rapture but one that will fill
their coffers.
But each of their followers believes they, however many people get
raptured to heaven, have one of the tickets.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
-Epicurus, 3rd c. BCE
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
04 Sep 2007 05:10:46 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<WatchDog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human? There are cops judges and priests that break laws...
Show me the magic bullet that cures any group of criminal behavior?
Only difference is whether the group expects better than "average" stats
from their followers.
--
http://OutSourcedNews.com
Our constitution protects criminals, drunks and U.S. Senators. Which at
times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing. - Gump That -
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
13 Sep 2007 01:57:49 PM |
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On Sep 4, 6:10 pm, Talk-n-Dog <Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human? There are cops judges and priests that break laws...
Show me the magic bullet that cures any group of criminal behavior?
Death. Dead people do not commit crimes.
Mark Sebree
Only difference is whether the group expects better than "average" stats
from their followers.
--http://OutSourcedNews.com
Our constitution protects criminals, drunks and U.S. Senators. Which at
times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing. - Gump That -
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
13 Sep 2007 02:31:16 PM |
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Mark Sebree wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:10 pm, Talk-n-Dog <Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human? There are cops judges and priests that break laws...
Show me the magic bullet that cures any group of criminal behavior?
Death. Dead people do not commit crimes.
They vote for the Clintons and other lefties, and that's criminal and
crime against humanity also.
They try and some succeed - to "take it with them" refusing to pay the
death TAX. They are possessing stolen government property.
Some spend their Military Retirement monthly income, then they die
before the end of that pay period and have to pay it back.... if they
don't... we put them behind the bars at Forest Lawn.
--
http://OutSourcedNews.com
I suppose I could buy meteor insurance too, to help rebuild on that
impact crater, destined to be where my house is.
Our constitution protects criminals, sexual deviants and U.S. Senators.
Which at times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing. - Gump That -
How to outsmart Global Warming -- Plant your corn when the oak leaves
are as big as a squirrels ear.
Insanity is only synapses deep.
It's not if, it's just when, No one gets out alive.
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
13 Sep 2007 02:51:20 PM |
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Talk-n-Dog wrote:
Mark Sebree wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:10 pm, Talk-n-Dog <Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human? There are cops judges and priests that break laws...
Show me the magic bullet that cures any group of criminal behavior?
Death. Dead people do not commit crimes.
They vote for the Clintons and other lefties, and that's criminal and
crime against humanity also.
They try and some succeed - to "take it with them" refusing to pay the
death TAX. They are possessing stolen government property.
Some spend their Military Retirement monthly income, then they die
before the end of that pay period and have to pay it back.... if they
don't... we put them behind the bars at Forest Lawn.
You never wondered why we have gates and fences at the grave yard? They
are all criminals, they're tax evaders.
--
http://OutSourcedNews.com
I suppose I could buy meteor insurance too, to help rebuild on that
impact crater, destined to be where my house is.
Our constitution protects criminals, sexual deviants and U.S. Senators.
Which at times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing. - Gump That -
How to outsmart Global Warming -- Plant your corn when the oak leaves
are as big as a squirrels ear.
Insanity is only synapses deep.
It's not if, it's just when, No one gets out alive.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
14 Sep 2007 06:38:34 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:57:49 -0700, Mark Sebree
<sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:10 pm, Talk-n-Dog <Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human? There are cops judges and priests that break laws...
Show me the magic bullet that cures any group of criminal behavior?
Death. Dead people do not commit crimes.
They can, actually.
Like polluting a water source.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
04 Sep 2007 10:09:57 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:10:46 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<WatchDog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<WatchDog@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human?
Who said anything that sounds even remotely like that? Christianity
claims that being a Christian makes a person more moral than
non-Christians. What Yang posts proves the assertion false.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
12 Sep 2007 10:19:10 AM |
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On Sep 4, 11:09 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:10:46 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human?
Who said anything that sounds even remotely like that? Christianity
claims that being a Christian makes a person more moral than
non-Christians. What Yang posts proves the assertion false.-
Exactly where does Christianity claim that?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
12 Sep 2007 04:57:54 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:19:10 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:09 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:10:46 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human?
Who said anything that sounds even remotely like that? Christianity
claims that being a Christian makes a person more moral than
non-Christians. What Yang posts proves the assertion false.-
Exactly where does Christianity claim that?
Where, according to Christianity, does morality come from?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
-Epicurus, 3rd c. BCE
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
This signature was made by SigChanger.
You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
13 Sep 2007 01:47:12 PM |
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On Sep 12, 5:57 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:19:10 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:09 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:10:46 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human?
Who said anything that sounds even remotely like that? Christianity
claims that being a Christian makes a person more moral than
non-Christians. What Yang posts proves the assertion false.-
Exactly where does Christianity claim that?
Where, according to Christianity, does morality come from?
For Christians, the common answer is that it comes from a desire to be
more Christ-like. But that doesn't answer the question. Again, where
does Christianity claim that being a Christian makes a person more
moral than a non-Christian?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
13 Sep 2007 03:36:03 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:47:12 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:57 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:19:10 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:09 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:10:46 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human?
Who said anything that sounds even remotely like that? Christianity
claims that being a Christian makes a person more moral than
non-Christians. What Yang posts proves the assertion false.-
Exactly where does Christianity claim that?
Where, according to Christianity, does morality come from?
For Christians, the common answer is that it comes from a desire to be
more Christ-like. But that doesn't answer the question. Again, where
does Christianity claim that being a Christian makes a person more
moral than a non-Christian?
Since atheists have no desire to be Christ-like, that's an implicit
claim to being more moral than atheists.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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| User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia" |
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| Title: Re: SoT Christianity: NC Pastor Sentenced for Fraud, Tax Evasion |
13 Sep 2007 04:14:10 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:47:12 -0700,
patrick.barnes@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 12, 5:57 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:19:10 -0700,
patrick.bar...@standardregister.com wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:09 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:10:46 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:16:47 -0400, Talk-n-Dog
<Watch...@talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Where is the "story" this is everyday stuff, like dog bites man news.
And, if someone claims that dogs don't bite men, "dog bites man" news
disproves the claim.
This isn't a story, it's Propaganda to scare the people into sending
money to the IRS.
No, it's "propaganda" to prove that being Christian doesn't make
someone morally better than non-Christians.
Who in the hell is so stupid to think that being Christian would make
them less human?
Who said anything that sounds even remotely like that? Christianity
claims that being a Christian makes a person more moral than
non-Christians. What Yang posts proves the assertion false.-
Exactly where does Christianity claim that?
Where, according to Christianity, does morality come from?
For Christians, the common answer is that it comes from a desire to be
more Christ-like. But that doesn't answer the question. Again, where
does Christianity claim that being a Christian makes a person more
moral than a non-Christian?
Since atheists have no desire to be Christ-like, that's an implicit
claim to being more moral than atheists.
The biggest problem Christians have is they claim morality but forgot ethics.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
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