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"loose cannon" |
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12 Jun 2005 10:29:15 AM |
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Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1649225,00.html
Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues
A NASA spacecraft is preparing a celestial fireworks display for
Independence Day, when it will shoot a huge copper bullet into a comet
in an attempt to find clues to the origin of the solar system.
The Deep Impact probe will fire the missile at the Tempel 1 comet in
the early hours of July 3. The next morning, astronomers will see what
the explosion reveals about its make-up.
"Every year I look forward to the Fourth of July, but this year
promises to be extra special," Andrew Dantzler, the director of
Nasa's solar system division, said yesterday.
A direct hit from the 800lb projectile could blow a crater the size of
a football stadium into the 3.7-mile comet nucleus, throwing out clouds
of debris. The mother ship will watch the collision from 300 miles away
as its instruments analyse the cosmic smash for insights into the
structure and composition of comets.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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16 Jun 2005 11:38:51 PM |
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a democratic
government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens, and only
for a VERY short time.
The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of government
wherein people vote.
Yes, but not a democracy.
That doesn't even make sense.
democracy:
a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
representation usually involving periodically held free electionsa
government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
representation usually involving periodically held free elections
www.m-w.com
Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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17 Jun 2005 12:09:10 AM |
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It is a Federal Republic, look that up
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >>
: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >> >
: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
democratic
: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens,
and only
: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >>
: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
government
: >> wherein people vote.
: >
: >Yes, but not a democracy.
:
: That doesn't even make sense.
:
: democracy:
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free electionsa
: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free elections
: www.m-w.com
:
: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
:
: --
: Ray Fischer
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Jun 2005 12:29:15 AM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >>
: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >> >
: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
democratic
: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens,
and only
: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >>
: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
government
: >> wherein people vote.
: >
: >Yes, but not a democracy.
:
: That doesn't even make sense.
:
: democracy:
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free electionsa
: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free elections
: www.m-w.com
:
: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
:
It is a Federal Republic, look that up
You really are remarkably stupid.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mickey" |
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17 Jun 2005 08:47:54 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >>
: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >> >
: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
democratic
: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens,
and only
: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >>
: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
government
: >> wherein people vote.
: >
: >Yes, but not a democracy.
:
: That doesn't even make sense.
:
: democracy:
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free electionsa
: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free elections
: www.m-w.com
:
: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
:
It is a Federal Republic, look that up
You really are remarkably stupid.
Which is a condition form birth. You, otoh, are ignorant, a condition by
design.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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18 Jun 2005 11:40:20 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:47:54 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >>
: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >> >
: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
democratic
: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens,
and only
: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >>
: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
government
: >> wherein people vote.
: >
: >Yes, but not a democracy.
:
: That doesn't even make sense.
:
: democracy:
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free electionsa
: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free elections
: www.m-w.com
:
: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
:
It is a Federal Republic, look that up
You really are remarkably stupid.
Which is a condition form birth. You, otoh, are ignorant, a condition by
design.
I note, however, that you haven't denied the charges......
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| User: "Mickey" |
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18 Jun 2005 12:31:18 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:47:54 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >>
: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >> >
: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
democratic
: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens,
and only
: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >>
: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
government
: >> wherein people vote.
: >
: >Yes, but not a democracy.
:
: That doesn't even make sense.
:
: democracy:
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free
electionsa
: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free elections
: www.m-w.com
:
: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
:
It is a Federal Republic, look that up
You really are remarkably stupid.
Which is a condition form birth. You, otoh, are ignorant, a condition by
design.
I note, however, that you haven't denied the charges......
Why bother, as he will here what he wants to here and believe what he wants
to believe, and never allow minor inconveniences like fatcs to interfere.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Jun 2005 06:44:55 PM |
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: democracy:
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free
electionsa
: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and
: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: representation usually involving periodically held free elections
: www.m-w.com
:
: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
:
It is a Federal Republic, look that up
You really are remarkably stupid.
Which is a condition form birth. You, otoh, are ignorant, a condition by
design.
I note, however, that you haven't denied the charges......
Why bother, as he will here what he wants to here and believe what he wants
to believe, and never allow minor inconveniences like fatcs to interfere.
Facts like the entry from Wikipedia (still quoted above) which shows the
US to be a democracy?
Those kind of facts?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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18 Jun 2005 09:14:35 PM |
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Fact that it also listed it as a FEDERAL REPUBLIC, as did the CIA -- gee
I guess the CIA wouldn't know what kind of political system the U.S.
has?
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d92blm$sl$1@bolt.sonic.net...
: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
: >> "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
: >> >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
:
: >> >> >: democracy:
: >> >> >: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the
people
: >and
: >> >> >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system
of
: >> >> >: representation usually involving periodically held free
: >electionsa
: >> >> >: government in which the supreme power is vested in the
people and
: >> >> >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system
of
: >> >> >: representation usually involving periodically held free
elections
: >> >> >: www.m-w.com
: >> >> >:
: >> >> >: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a
democracy
: >> >> >:
: >> >> >It is a Federal Republic, look that up
: >> >>
: >> >> You really are remarkably stupid.
: >> >
: >> >Which is a condition form birth. You, otoh, are ignorant, a
condition by
: >> >design.
: >>
: >> I note, however, that you haven't denied the charges......
: >
: >Why bother, as he will here what he wants to here and believe what he
wants
: >to believe, and never allow minor inconveniences like fatcs to
interfere.
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: Facts like the entry from Wikipedia (still quoted above) which shows
the
: US to be a democracy?
:
: Those kind of facts?
:
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: Ray Fischer
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Jun 2005 11:51:56 PM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
Fact that it also listed it as a FEDERAL REPUBLIC,
The United States is a democractic federal republic. That you don't
even know what "democratic" means is truly appalling.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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19 Jun 2005 12:43:21 AM |
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I know what democratic means, what is appalling is your hatefulness, and
being such a *****.
Why are you so bitter and hateful and condescending???
The issue has been that you seem not to know what a Federal Republic
is!!!
And I sure think coming from one country that only became free from
imperial oppression 70 years ago, and another country just 57 years ago,
both establishing themselves as democracies, I know something about it.
Plus I am also a U.S. citizen and a member of the Democrat party.
Now in the nicest possiblest way, go ***** yourself.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >Fact that it also listed it as a FEDERAL REPUBLIC,
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: The United States is a democractic federal republic. That you don't
: even know what "democratic" means is truly appalling.
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19 Jun 2005 02:09:39 AM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
I know what democratic means, what is appalling is your hatefulness, and
being such a *****.
ROFL! Do you even see the hypocrisy in your own words?
Why are you so bitter and hateful and condescending???
You're projecting again.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:01:52 AM |
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The vast majority of the time that I am being rude is to someone who was
rude to me first, or they are a racist anti-Semite, or a homophobe.
Sorry, if you have fallen into one of those categories.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >I know what democratic means, what is appalling is your hatefulness,
and
: >being such a *****.
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: ROFL! Do you even see the hypocrisy in your own words?
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: >Why are you so bitter and hateful and condescending???
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: You're projecting again.
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: Ray Fischer
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19 Jun 2005 01:07:07 PM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
The vast majority of the time that I am being rude is to someone who was
rude to me first, or they are a racist anti-Semite, or a homophobe.
Smirk. The rationalization of hypocrisy - it's alright when you're a
dishonest *****, but heaven forbid that anybody point out the same
in you.
Sorry, if you have fallen into one of those categories.
"What is appalling is your hatefulness".
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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17 Jun 2005 01:07:20 AM |
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Federal republic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
A federal republic is a state which is both a federation and a republic.
A federation is a state composed of a number of self-governing regions
(often themselves referred to as 'states') united by a central, federal
government. In a federation, unlike in a unitary state, the
self-governing status of autonomous regions is constitutionally
entrenched and cannot be revoked by a unilateral decision of the central
government. Usage of the term republic is inconsistent but, as a
minimum, it means a state that does not have a monarch as head of state.
Three states explicitly describe themselves as federal republics. These
are the Federal Republic of Germany, the Federal Republic of Nigeria,
and the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. A close variant is the
term federative republic, which appears in the full official title of
Brazil. Not every federation is also a republic. For example, Canada,
Australia, and Malaysia are federal constitutional monarchies with
parliamentary systems.
List of federal republics
Argentian
Australia
Austria
Brazil
Canada
Comoros
Ethiopia
Germany
India
Mexico
Micronesia
Nigeria
Russia
Switzerland
United States
Venezuela
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >: >>
: >: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >: >> >
: >: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
: >democratic
: >: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in
Athens,
: >and only
: >: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >: >>
: >: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
: >government
: >: >> wherein people vote.
: >: >
: >: >Yes, but not a democracy.
: >:
: >: That doesn't even make sense.
: >:
: >: democracy:
: >: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: >: representation usually involving periodically held free
electionsa
: >: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: >: representation usually involving periodically held free
elections
: >: www.m-w.com
: >:
: >: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
: >:
: >It is a Federal Republic, look that up
:
: You really are remarkably stupid.
:
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: Ray Fischer
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17 Jun 2005 01:11:05 AM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
Federal republic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
occur concomitantly with other types.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:16:04 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
Federal republic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
occur concomitantly with other types.
No, the term democary means each person votes on everything. Do not
confuselate that with a democratic form of government.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Jun 2005 08:07:32 PM |
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Federal republic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
occur concomitantly with other types.
No, the term democary means each person votes on everything.
Don't start lying, moron. The word means nothing of the sort.
The definition from Wikipedia proves you wrong (and stupid too, since
you weren't bright enough to read just a few lines up) and pretty much
every doctionary definition will also prove you to be wrong.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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17 Jun 2005 08:33:34 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Federal republic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
occur concomitantly with other types.
No, the term democary means each person votes on everything.
Don't start lying, moron.
Ah, couldn't debate, so you resort to name calling. Your surrender is
accepted.
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Federal republic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
occur concomitantly with other types.
No, the term democary means each person votes on everything.
Don't start lying, moron.
Ah, couldn't debate,
You cannot debate so you resort to lying outright. Your claim is
proven false by the cite which immediately precedes it.
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It still makes the United States a FEDERAL REPUBLIC.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >Federal republic
: >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
:
: The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
: state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
: of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
: are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
: multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
: occur concomitantly with other types.
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: Ray Fischer
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17 Jun 2005 08:05:39 PM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
It still makes the United States a FEDERAL REPUBLIC.
You really are quite stupid.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >Federal republic
: >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
:
: The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
: state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
: of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
: are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
: multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
: occur concomitantly with other types.
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
It still makes the United States a FEDERAL REPUBLIC.
You really are quite stupid.
Ah yes, the last refuge of the defeated, the ad hominem attack, and right on
cue.
Mickey
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >Federal republic
: >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
:
: The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
: state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
: of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
: are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
: multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
: occur concomitantly with other types.
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18 Jun 2005 12:32:15 AM |
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
It still makes the United States a FEDERAL REPUBLIC.
You really are quite stupid.
Ah yes, the last refuge of the defeated, the ad hominem attack,
Maybe if you had the brains to respond to what I'd posted ...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >Federal republic
: >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
:
: The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
: state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
: of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
: are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
: multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
: occur concomitantly with other types.
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
It still makes the United States a FEDERAL REPUBLIC.
You really are quite stupid.
Ah yes, the last refuge of the defeated, the ad hominem attack,
Maybe if you had the brains to respond to what I'd posted ...
I did, but you're too dense to have noticed.
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18 Jun 2005 06:43:34 PM |
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d8vs13$bdi$1@bolt.sonic.net...
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
It still makes the United States a FEDERAL REPUBLIC.
You really are quite stupid.
Ah yes, the last refuge of the defeated, the ad hominem attack,
Maybe if you had the brains to respond to what I'd posted ...
I did,
No you did not. I posted a definition for "democracy" which you have
completely ignored in a bizarre attempt to deny the fact that the
United States is, in fact, a democracy.
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Ray Fischer
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17 Jun 2005 08:46:58 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
It still makes the United States a FEDERAL REPUBLIC.
You really are quite stupid.
The US is either a constitutional representative democracy or a
constitutional republic, your choice.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >Federal republic
: >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
:
: The term democracy indicates a form of government where all the
: state's decisions are exercised directly or indirectly by a majority
: of its citizenry through a fair elective process. When these factors
: are met a government can be classified as such. This can apply to a
: multitude of government systems as these concepts transcend and often
: occur concomitantly with other types.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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The Power of Speech
Judaism is intensely aware of the power of speech and of the harm that
can be done through speech. The rabbis note that the universe itself was
created through speech. Of the 43 sins enumerated in the Al Chet
confession recited on Yom Kippur, 11 are sins committed through speech.
The Talmud tells that the tongue is an instrument so dangerous that it
must be kept hidden from view, behind two protective walls (the mouth
and teeth) to prevent its misuse.
The harm done by speech is even worse than the harm done by stealing or
by cheating someone financially, because amends can be made for monetary
harms, but the harm done by speech can never be repaired. For this
reason, some sources indicate that there is no forgiveness for lashon
ha-ra (disparaging speech). A Chasidic tale illustrates this point: A
man went about the community telling malicious lies about the rabbi.
Later, he realized the wrong he had done, and began to feel remorse. He
went to the rabbi and begged his forgiveness, saying he would do
anything he could to make amends. The rabbi told the man, "Take a
feather pillow, cut it open, and scatter the feathers to the winds." The
man thought this was a strange request, but it was a simple enough task,
and he did it gladly. When he returned to tell the rabbi that he had
done it, the rabbi said, "Now, go and gather the feathers. Because you
can no more make amends for the damage your words have done than you can
recollect the feathers."
Speech has been compared to an arrow: once the words are released, like
an arrow, they cannot be recalled, the harm they do cannot be stopped,
and the harm they do cannot always be predicted, for words like arrows
often go astray.
Tale-Bearing
There are two mitzvot in the Torah that specifically address improper
speech: Thou shalt not go up and down as a tale-bearer among thy people
(Lev. 19:16), and ye shall not wrong one another (Lev. 25:17, which
according to tradition refers to wronging a person with speech).
Tale-bearing is, essentially, any gossip. The Hebrew word for
tale-bearer is "rakheel" (Resh-Kaf-Yod-Lamed), which is related to a
word meaning trader or merchant. The idea is that a tale-bearer is like
a merchant, but he deals in information instead of goods. In our modern
"Information Age," the idea of information as a product has become more
clear than ever before, yet it is present even here in the Torah.
It is a violation of this mitzvah to say anything about another person,
even it is true, even if it is not negative, even if it is not secret,
even if it hurts no one, even if the person himself would tell the same
thing if asked! It is said that the telling of gossip leads to
bloodshed, which is why the next words in the Torah are "you shall not
stand aside while your fellow's blood is shed." The story of Do'eig the
Edomite (I Samuel Chs. 21-22) is often used to illustrate the harm that
can be done by tale-bearing. Do'eig saw Achimelekh the Kohein give David
bread and a sword, a completely innocent act intended to aid a leading
member of Saul's court. Do'eig reported this to Saul. Do'eig's story was
completely true, not negative, not secret, and Achimelekh would have
told Saul exactly the same thing if asked (in fact, he did so later).
Yet Saul misinterpreted this tale as proof that Achimelekh was
supporting David in a rebellion, and proceeded to slaughter all but one
of the kohanim at Nob.
The person who listens to gossip is even worse than the person who tells
it, because no harm could be done by gossip if no one listened to it. It
has been said that lashon ha-ra (disparaging speech) kills three: the
person who speaks it, the person who hears it, and the person about whom
it is told.
In Jewish law, all things are considered to be secret unless a person
specifically says otherwise. For this reason, you will note that in the
Torah, G-d constantly says to Moses, "Speak to the Children of Israel,
saying:" or "Speak to the Children of Israel and tell them:" If G-d did
not specifically say this to Moses, Moses would be forbidden to repeat
his words! Nor is there any time-limit on secrets. The Talmud tells the
story of a student who revealed a secret after 22 years, and was
immediately banished from the house of study!
The gravest of these sins of tale-bearing is lashon ha-ra (literally,
"the evil tongue"), which involves discrediting a person or saying
negative things about a person, even if those negative things are true.
Some sources indicate that lashon ha-ra is equal in seriousness to
murder, idol worship, and incest and adultery (the only three sins that
you may not violate even to save a life).
It is forbidden to even imply or suggest negative things about a person.
It is forbidden to say negative things about a person, even in jest. It
is likewise considered a "shade of lashon ha-ra" to say positive things
about a person in the presence of his enemies, because this will
encourage his enemies to say negative things to contradict you!
One who tells disparaging things that are false is referred to as a
motzi sheim ra, that is, one who spreads a bad report. This is
considered the lowest of the low.
It is generally not a sin to repeat things that have been told "in the
presence of three persons." The idea is that if it is told in the
presence of three persons, it is already public knowledge, and no harm
can come of retelling it. However, even in this case, you should not
repeat it if you know you will be spreading the gossip further.
When Tale-Bearing is Allowed
There are a few exceptional circumstances when tale-bearing is allowed,
or even required. Most notably, tale-bearing is required in a Jewish
court of law, because it is a mitzvah to give testimony and that mitzvah
overrides the general prohibition against tale-bearing. Thus, a person
is required to reveal information, even if it is something that was
explicitly told in confidence, even if it will harm a person, in a
Jewish court of law.
A person is also required to reveal information to protect a person from
immediate, serious harm. For example, if a person hears that others are
plotting to kill someone, he is required to reveal this information.
That is another reason why the commandment not to go about as a
tale-bearer is juxtaposed with "you shall not stand aside while your
fellow's blood is shed."
In limited circumstances, one is also permitted to reveal information if
someone is entering into a relationship that he would not enter if he
knew certain information. For example, it may be permissible to tell a
person that his prospective business partner is untrustworthy, or that a
prospective spouse has a disease. This exception is subject to
significant and complex limitations; however, if those limitations are
satisfied, the person with the information is required to reveal it.
In all of these exceptions, a person is not permitted to reveal
information if the same objective could be fulfilled without revealing
information. For example, if you could talk a person out of marrying for
reasons other than the disease, you may not reveal the disease.
Wronging a Person through Speech
Leviticus 25:17 says, "You shall not wrong one another." This has
traditionally been interpreted as wronging a person with speech. It
includes any statement that will embarrass, insult or deceive a person,
or cause a person emotional pain or distress.
Here are some commonly-used examples of behavior that is forbidden by
this mitzvah:
a.. You may not call a person by a derogatory nickname, or by any
other embarrassing name, even if he is used to it.
b.. You may not ask an uneducated person for an opinion on a scholarly
matter (that would draw attention to his lack of knowledge or
education).
c.. You may not ask a merchant how much he would sell something for if
you have no intention of buying.
d.. You may not refer someone to another person for assistance when
you know the other person cannot help (in other words, it's a violation
of Jewish law to give someone the run-around!).
e.. You may not deceive a person, even if no harm is done by the
deception; for example, you may not sell non-kosher meat to a non-Jew
telling him that it is kosher, even though no harm is done to the
non-Jew by this deception.
f.. You may not sell a person damaged goods without identifying the
damage, even if the price you give is fair for the goods in their
damaged condition.
g.. You may not offer a person a gift or invite a person to dinner if
you know that the person will not accept.
h.. You may not compliment a person if you do not mean it.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >: >>
: >: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >: >> >
: >: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
: >democratic
: >: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in
Athens,
: >and only
: >: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >: >>
: >: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
: >government
: >: >> wherein people vote.
: >: >
: >: >Yes, but not a democracy.
: >:
: >: That doesn't even make sense.
: >:
: >: democracy:
: >: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: >: representation usually involving periodically held free
electionsa
: >: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: >: representation usually involving periodically held free
elections
: >: www.m-w.com
: >:
: >: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
: >:
: >It is a Federal Republic, look that up
:
: You really are remarkably stupid.
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http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
Government United States
Country name: conventional long form: United States of
America
conventional short form: United
States
abbreviation: US or USA
Government type: Constitution-based federal republic; strong
democratic tradition
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton <news@riain.org> wrote:
: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
: >: >> Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >: >> >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
: >: >>
: >: >> >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >: >> >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >: >> >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >: >> >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >: >> >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >: >> >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >: >> >
: >: >> >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
: >democratic
: >: >> >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in
Athens,
: >and only
: >: >> >for a VERY short time.
: >: >>
: >: >> The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of
: >government
: >: >> wherein people vote.
: >: >
: >: >Yes, but not a democracy.
: >:
: >: That doesn't even make sense.
: >:
: >: democracy:
: >: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: >: representation usually involving periodically held free
electionsa
: >: government in which the supreme power is vested in the people
and
: >: exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of
: >: representation usually involving periodically held free
elections
: >: www.m-w.com
: >:
: >: Do people vote in the US? Yes. That makes the US a democracy
: >:
: >It is a Federal Republic, look that up
:
: You really are remarkably stupid.
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IT is a Federal Republic.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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: Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
: >"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
:
: >> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
: >> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
: >> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
: >> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
: >> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
: >> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
: >
: >Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a
democratic
: >government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens, and
only
: >for a VERY short time.
:
: The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of government
: wherein people vote.
:
: Learn what the words mean.
:
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"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in news:1118590155.723855.281760
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
And how much of this lack of caring about and not helping others is the
result of science and how much is the result of greedy politicans, and
the priests and CEOs who pull their strings? How much difference would
the token sum given to NASA make. How much diffence would the billions
shifted from taxes to the rich (via Hallburton,...) have made? How much
difference would the billions spent on defence make?
(snip NASA article)
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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