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"loose cannon" |
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12 Jun 2005 10:29:15 AM |
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Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1649225,00.html
Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues
A NASA spacecraft is preparing a celestial fireworks display for
Independence Day, when it will shoot a huge copper bullet into a comet
in an attempt to find clues to the origin of the solar system.
The Deep Impact probe will fire the missile at the Tempel 1 comet in
the early hours of July 3. The next morning, astronomers will see what
the explosion reveals about its make-up.
"Every year I look forward to the Fourth of July, but this year
promises to be extra special," Andrew Dantzler, the director of
Nasa's solar system division, said yesterday.
A direct hit from the 800lb projectile could blow a crater the size of
a football stadium into the 3.7-mile comet nucleus, throwing out clouds
of debris. The mother ship will watch the collision from 300 miles away
as its instruments analyse the cosmic smash for insights into the
structure and composition of comets.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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12 Jun 2005 12:31:15 PM |
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"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Clayton...Less Calories, More Filling" |
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| Title: Re: Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
12 Jun 2005 06:07:41 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
Oh he doesn't need that...he has prayer!!! Don't you know that prayer
creates a magical, invisible indestructible shield around the countries with
the most Christians in it, so there's no need to have any of that silly
satanic science stuff!!!
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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| Title: Re: Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
12 Jun 2005 12:41:15 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
--
"He's asking if you killed Freddie Miles and then killed Dickie
Greenleaf."
"No, I did not kill Freddie Miles and then kill Dickie Greenleaf."
-+Thomas Ripley using Bill Clinton logic, "The Talented Mr Ripley"
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
12 Jun 2005 06:35:29 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on
stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
Ooh! That would be terrible! Has everyone starved?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
12 Jun 2005 01:10:51 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru...
Denis Loubet wrote:
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on
stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
You can't spend that much money.
No matter how broke the US gets, we can always just walk out into a field
and shoot some dinner.
We create wealth - it's not a finite resource like Oil and Gas.
Don't have enough meat? Raise rabbits - you'll have more than you can use.
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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12 Jun 2005 02:22:05 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru...
Denis Loubet wrote:
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on
stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
You can't spend that much money.
No matter how broke the US gets, we can always just walk out into a field
and shoot some dinner.
The reason we have farms and ranches and the industrial production of
food is because hunter/gatherer isn't sufficient for the number of
people on the planet today. One of the things that needs to change is
the fact that the oceans are almost entirely used in a hunter/gatherer
mode yet they represent 70% of the surface area and are otherwise almost
totally unutilized.
We create wealth - it's not a finite resource like Oil and Gas.
Don't have enough meat? Raise rabbits - you'll have more than you can use.
You have to feed rabbits.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
12 Jun 2005 02:15:25 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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12 Jun 2005 02:23:03 PM |
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Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Attila" |
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12 Jun 2005 09:04:39 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I stand by my comment.
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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12 Jun 2005 11:34:24 PM |
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Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research? Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Clearly it would never really happen because people aren't that stupid,
but it fits with the previous author's claim perfectly.
I stand by my comment.
You are obviously an idiot.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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13 Jun 2005 02:05:00 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AD0CD0.940D4E9C@nuj.net...
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go
hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and
medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention?
How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of
living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save
everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money
on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for
food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research? Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Aside from the stupidity of literally interpreting a hyperbolic statement,
the answer is no, if you spent all money on research, not everyone would
starve.
You would have to be an idiot to believe everyone would starve, even in such
an unlikely scenario. And a moment's thought should be sufficent to realize
this, hence his comment about your lack of thought concerning your response.
Granted, he did expand this specific instance into a more general claim that
you never think. However, your replies to this claim tend to support his
contention.
Clearly it would never really happen because people aren't that stupid,
but it fits with the previous author's claim perfectly.
Yes, you have shown that any statement subjected to a sufficently literal
interpretation can be rendered absurd.
Congratulations.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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13 Jun 2005 11:50:14 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AD0CD0.940D4E9C@nuj.net...
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go
hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and
medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention?
How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of
living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save
everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money
on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for
food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research? Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Aside from the stupidity of literally interpreting a hyperbolic statement,
the answer is no, if you spent all money on research, not everyone would
starve.
You would have to be an idiot to believe everyone would starve, even in such
an unlikely scenario.
It's interesting that you cannot see that the comment I made was the
actual hyperbole. Of course everyone wouldn't actually starve to death.
It would, however, be possible to create a famine by putting too much
effort into R&D and not enough into food production. Of course similar
things could happen if you built too many DVD players.
And a moment's thought should be sufficent to realize
this, hence his comment about your lack of thought concerning your response.
So you can't spend too much money on research? Really? Companies have
got the mix wrong, too much on R&D and not enough on production, say.
You could spend so much on R&D on asteroid impacts you didn't have
enough left over to steer one clear and avoid a massive catastrophe.
Granted, he did expand this specific instance into a more general claim that
you never think. However, your replies to this claim tend to support his
contention.
Only to someone who himself doesn't have a thought.
Clearly it would never really happen because people aren't that stupid,
but it fits with the previous author's claim perfectly.
Yes, you have shown that any statement subjected to a sufficently literal
interpretation can be rendered absurd.
Which you've done with the starved to death thing.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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14 Jun 2005 12:08:41 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AE6206.E40EF605@nuj.net...
It would, however, be possible to create a famine by putting too much
effort into R&D and not enough into food production.
Not if the R&D discovers more efficient ways to produce food. :)
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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14 Jun 2005 01:22:07 AM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AE6206.E40EF605@nuj.net...
It would, however, be possible to create a famine by putting too much
effort into R&D and not enough into food production.
Not if the R&D discovers more efficient ways to produce food. :)
Likely you could learn how to more efficiently make food but that
wouldn't matter if you never bothered to make the food.
--
"He's asking if you killed Freddie Miles and then killed Dickie
Greenleaf."
"No, I did not kill Freddie Miles and then kill Dickie Greenleaf."
-+Thomas Ripley using Bill Clinton logic, "The Talented Mr Ripley"
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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14 Jun 2005 05:59:40 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AE778F.67AB5918@postpend.net.ru...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
It would, however, be possible to create a famine by putting too much
effort into R&D and not enough into food production.
Not if the R&D discovers more efficient ways to produce food. :)
Likely you could learn how to more efficiently make food but that
wouldn't matter if you never bothered to make the food.
I see - so when you said "not enough into food production" - you really
meant none at all.
My bad - I took you literally.
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| User: "jwk" |
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13 Jun 2005 02:41:42 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AD0CD0.940D4E9C@nuj.net...
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go
hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and
medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention?
How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of
living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save
everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money
on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for
food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research? Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Aside from the stupidity of literally interpreting a hyperbolic statement,
the answer is no, if you spent all money on research, not everyone would
starve.
You would have to be an idiot to believe everyone would starve
Especially the technicians/scientists/welders/etc. Where did he think
the money went? Into space on the rockets?
jwk
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13 Jun 2005 03:56:24 PM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118691702.440495.270100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote
in message news:42AD0CD0.940D4E9C@nuj.net...
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius
vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go
hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and
medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical
attention?
How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of
living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save
everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much
money
on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for
food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having
a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff
like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research? Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Aside from the stupidity of literally interpreting a hyperbolic
statement,
the answer is no, if you spent all money on research, not everyone would
starve.
You would have to be an idiot to believe everyone would starve
Especially the technicians/scientists/welders/etc. Where did he think
the money went? Into space on the rockets?
(Holds head in hands.) I know, it's like they think NASA shovels money into
a furnace rather than employs thousands of skilled workers.
It's like they can't see past their wallet: "Why, after I pay for something,
the money's gone, anyone can see that! It gets used up!"
When you try to explain the money is now in someone else's wallet, they look
at you like you're some kind of communist.
WTF?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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13 Jun 2005 11:43:27 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118691702.440495.270100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net>
wrote
in message news:42AD0CD0.940D4E9C@nuj.net...
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius
vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go
hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and
medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical
attention?
How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of
living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save
everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much
money
on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for
food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having
a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff
like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research? Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Aside from the stupidity of literally interpreting a hyperbolic
statement,
the answer is no, if you spent all money on research, not everyone would
starve.
You would have to be an idiot to believe everyone would starve
Especially the technicians/scientists/welders/etc. Where did he think
the money went? Into space on the rockets?
(Holds head in hands.) I know, it's like they think NASA shovels money into
a furnace rather than employs thousands of skilled workers.
It's like they can't see past their wallet: "Why, after I pay for something,
the money's gone, anyone can see that! It gets used up!"
When you try to explain the money is now in someone else's wallet, they look
at you like you're some kind of communist.
Money is a chit redeemable at some rate for value, an article, labour.
The rate can fluctuate and usually does. If the money is now in the
rocket scientists pocket, the assumption that there will just be food to
buy because he has money is unwarranted. What all this has to do with
communism is unclear.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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14 Jun 2005 12:08:40 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AE606F.417283C8@nuj.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
When you try to explain the money is now in someone else's wallet, they
look
at you like you're some kind of communist.
Money is a chit redeemable at some rate for value, an article, labour.
The rate can fluctuate and usually does. If the money is now in the
rocket scientists pocket, the assumption that there will just be food to
buy because he has money is unwarranted.
No - it's not unwarranted, you just mis-paraphrased it.
The rule is that when supply is high, demand will increase - and t'other way
around.
That's straight Keyensian economics - first year stuff.
If all you have is a warehouse full of *****, somebody, somewhere is going to
find a use for it.
And if you have a pocket full of money - people will come out of the
woodwork to sell you something that grows on trees.
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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14 Jun 2005 01:25:38 AM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AE606F.417283C8@nuj.net...
Denis Loubet wrote:
When you try to explain the money is now in someone else's wallet, they
look
at you like you're some kind of communist.
Money is a chit redeemable at some rate for value, an article, labour.
The rate can fluctuate and usually does. If the money is now in the
rocket scientists pocket, the assumption that there will just be food to
buy because he has money is unwarranted.
No - it's not unwarranted, you just mis-paraphrased it.
The rule is that when supply is high, demand will increase - and t'other way
around.
That's straight Keyensian economics - first year stuff.
Of course it doesn't really work that way. Money is a chit that can be
traded for value, articles, labour, at some variable rate. Money itself
has no value intrinsically, only the value that is assigned it by those
using it for a chit.
If all you have is a warehouse full of *****, somebody, somewhere is going to
find a use for it.
And if you have a pocket full of money - people will come out of the
woodwork to sell you something that grows on trees.
Or you might end up using that pocket full of cash as wall paper.
--
"He's asking if you killed Freddie Miles and then killed Dickie
Greenleaf."
"No, I did not kill Freddie Miles and then kill Dickie Greenleaf."
-+Thomas Ripley using Bill Clinton logic, "The Talented Mr Ripley"
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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14 Jun 2005 05:59:40 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AE7862.D27973E9@postpend.net.ru...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
If the money is now in the
rocket scientists pocket, the assumption that there will just be food
to
buy because he has money is unwarranted.
No - it's not unwarranted, you just mis-paraphrased it.
The rule is that when supply is high, demand will increase - and t'other
way
around.
That's straight Keyensian economics - first year stuff.
Of course it doesn't really work that way.
No, really - it does. It's basic Economics 101.
It's as well-proven as the spherical earth.
Money is a chit that can be
traded for value, articles, labour, at some variable rate. Money itself
has no value intrinsically, only the value that is assigned it by those
using it for a chit.
Yes... but what does that have to do with demand and supply?
My economics prof asked the class "What's the value of a dollar?"
Everybody came up with silly little answers like your chit story.
I thought I would be a smartass and answered his question with a question...
because that's what smartasses do.
I said "I dunno. What'll you give me for a buck?"
It turns out - I was the only one who got the answer right.
It's all about supply and demand.
If all you have is a warehouse full of *****, somebody, somewhere is going
to
find a use for it.
And if you have a pocket full of money - people will come out of the
woodwork to sell you something that grows on trees.
Or you might end up using that pocket full of cash as wall paper.
See - you prove it right there.
If you have an abundant supply of something, regardless of how worthless you
think it is, demand will rise to meet it.
In your case - you use your worthless cash to paper your wall.
Your demand for wallpaper *rose* to meet your supply of cash.
You didn't have that demand before - you just said, "Hey - I got all this
worthless crap. What can I do with it?"
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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14 Jun 2005 12:05:23 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AE7862.D27973E9@postpend.net.ru...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
If the money is now in the
rocket scientists pocket, the assumption that there will just be food
to
buy because he has money is unwarranted.
No - it's not unwarranted, you just mis-paraphrased it.
The rule is that when supply is high, demand will increase - and t'other
way
around.
That's straight Keyensian economics - first year stuff.
Of course it doesn't really work that way.
No, really - it does. It's basic Economics 101.
It's as well-proven as the spherical earth.
But the Earth is oblate.
Money is a chit that can be
traded for value, articles, labour, at some variable rate. Money itself
has no value intrinsically, only the value that is assigned it by those
using it for a chit.
Yes... but what does that have to do with demand and supply?
My economics prof asked the class "What's the value of a dollar?"
Everybody came up with silly little answers like your chit story.
My answer is actually reality. The value in the dollar is that which is
ascribed to it, nothing intrinsic.
I thought I would be a smartass and answered his question with a question...
because that's what smartasses do.
I said "I dunno. What'll you give me for a buck?"
It turns out - I was the only one who got the answer right.
It's all about supply and demand.
Your 'answer' is a smartass restatement, at least it seems to be, of
what I'm saying. The buck doesn't have any value unless it is believed
to hold value by those using it.
If all you have is a warehouse full of *****, somebody, somewhere is going
to
find a use for it.
And if you have a pocket full of money - people will come out of the
woodwork to sell you something that grows on trees.
Or you might end up using that pocket full of cash as wall paper.
See - you prove it right there.
If you have an abundant supply of something, regardless of how worthless you
think it is, demand will rise to meet it.
And all the money, in our example, was given over to buy space rockets
and whatnot. That means all the effort went into doing that. The money
is just a chit, as I keep pointing out.
In your case - you use your worthless cash to paper your wall.
Your demand for wallpaper *rose* to meet your supply of cash.
You didn't have that demand before - you just said, "Hey - I got all this
worthless crap. What can I do with it?"
But the wallpaper use for money is an intrinsic value. It's a marker for
value as a chit, something that is completely different.
--
"He's asking if you killed Freddie Miles and then killed Dickie
Greenleaf."
"No, I did not kill Freddie Miles and then kill Dickie Greenleaf."
-+Thomas Ripley using Bill Clinton logic, "The Talented Mr Ripley"
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Space fireworks give Nasa cosmic clues |
14 Jun 2005 03:00:32 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AF0E53.F77918C1@postpend.net.ru...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Or you might end up using that pocket full of cash as wall paper.
See - you prove it right there.
If you have an abundant supply of something, regardless of how worthless
you
think it is, demand will rise to meet it.
And all the money, in our example, was given over to buy space rockets
and whatnot. That means all the effort went into doing that. The money
is just a chit, as I keep pointing out.
And as I keep asking - what does that have to do with supply and demand?
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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14 Jun 2005 08:37:52 PM |
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')"
<prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote in message
news:42AF0E53.F77918C1@postpend.net.ru...
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
Or you might end up using that pocket full of cash as wall paper.
See - you prove it right there.
If you have an abundant supply of something, regardless of how worthless
you
think it is, demand will rise to meet it.
And all the money, in our example, was given over to buy space rockets
and whatnot. That means all the effort went into doing that. The money
is just a chit, as I keep pointing out.
And as I keep asking - what does that have to do with supply and demand?
Everything. The money supply might be too great which would deflate the
currnecy value. It might be too tight and there wouldn't be enough money
avialable to make the economy work properly.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of recirculation" |
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13 Jun 2005 11:40:36 PM |
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jwk wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> wrote
in message news:42AD0CD0.940D4E9C@nuj.net...
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go
hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and
medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention?
How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of
living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save
everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money
on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for
food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research? Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Aside from the stupidity of literally interpreting a hyperbolic statement,
the answer is no, if you spent all money on research, not everyone would
starve.
You would have to be an idiot to believe everyone would starve
Especially the technicians/scientists/welders/etc. Where did he think
the money went? Into space on the rockets?
Ullage.
--
"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their
nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in
because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my
appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no
single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk?
Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your
Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a
***** got over the wall."
-+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons"
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| User: "Attila" |
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13 Jun 2005 04:05:15 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:34:24 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AD0CD0.940D4E9C@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:23:03 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <jun@nuj.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<42AC8B97.9C74DC3@nuj.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> in alt.abortion with
message-id <42AC73BB.74D2CB37@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
What if you actually had a thought?
My argue was a logical one based on the claims of the poster. If you
cannot see that, you shouldn't probably speak to me about not having a
thought.
He was talking about the value of research. You were talking about
simply giving things away.
I replied to this comment: "You can't spend too much money on stuff like
this." Is it really impossible to spend too much money on research?
No.
Of
course it isn't impossible to do that. For example, what if you spent
all the money there was on research and everyone starved to death?
Clearly it would never really happen because people aren't that stupid,
but it fits with the previous author's claim perfectly.
I stand by my comment.
You are obviously an idiot.
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16 Jun 2005 10:29:59 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
Bill, the epitome of moron, drooled the above inanity.
Um, Bill, "Divine Plan" remember?
1 Thessalonians 5 (KJV)
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God
in Christ Jesus concerning you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Mickey" |
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16 Jun 2005 10:35:57 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:9k63b157hmdhp1pgto95kgo8br6ho7aelj@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:41:15 -0700, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118590155.723855.281760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Of course one has to wonder; how many of our elderly will go hungry
tonight because they were forced to choose between food and medicine?
How many children will go without the proper medical attention? How
many pre-born babies will die because their mother's fear of living
in
poverty? It should be one heck of a fireworks show.
Actually, it is information that may someday be used to save everyone
on
planet earth from cometary impact. You can't spend too much money on
stuff
like this.
What if you spent so much money on it there was no money left for food
and everybody starved?
Bill, the epitome of moron, drooled the above inanity.
Um, Bill, "Divine Plan" remember?
1 Thessalonians 5 (KJV)
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God
in Christ Jesus concerning you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a democratic
government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens, and only
for a VERY short time.
Mickey
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16 Jun 2005 08:36:31 PM |
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a democratic
government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens, and only
for a VERY short time.
The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of government
wherein people vote.
Learn what the words mean.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Mickey <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Proving that Mencken was clueless, as America does not have a democratic
government, but is a republic. Democracy existed ONLY in Athens, and only
for a VERY short time.
The US is a democratic republic. A democracy is a form of government
wherein people vote.
Yes, but not a democracy.
Learn what the words mean.
Right back at ya.
Mickey
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