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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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16 Jun 2006 02:22:26 AM |
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Space Travel As Secularist False Hope For Salvation |
http://markshea.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_markshea_archive.html#115021906885707716
Proof that Even Geniuses Can Say Dumb Things
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060613/D8I7ADB81.html
The notion that colonizing space is the only thing that can "save" the
human race is a pure expression of secular eschatological faith.
Hawking's logic is like saying to a man in a mansion with well-watered
gardens, a good supply of food and water, and access to all the
electricity he needs: "Your house could burn down in the future! You
must move to Antarctica!"
Do I oppose space exploration? Of course not! But the notion that
Disaster is Imminent and The Hope of Mankind is to build a space
station on the Moon and Mars as though this will solve this looming and
unspecified catastrophe is just... nutty. Space stations on the Moon
and Mars will require constant supplies from earth. That will be
fantastically expensive and long-term. If we should suffer The
Disaster, what portion of the population do you suppose will be the
first to be cut adrift? How long do you suppose you would last in a
colony utterly dependent on earth for food, oxygen and water once Earth
mutters something about "regrettable budgetary cutbacks"? And how do
you propose to, like, build a life for a family on the Moon or Mars?
I think the Second Coming is much more plausible than the notion that
we are going to Conquer Space. I think we'll get to Mars. Perhaps even
do a flyby of the outer solar system. That'll be about it. We're never
going to colonize other solar systems and the likelihood of colonizing
even ours is, I think, very low. We've got a perfectly good planet
right here. Why leave?
Bleats of protest to my blasphemies gladly accepted below. :)
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| User: "FED UP" |
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16 Jun 2006 08:45:58 AM |
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To my dismay, I don't hold out much hope for space colonization
either.
At least not for quite a long time. And then, it'll be for the robots
to colonize.
It just isn't practical for the human body to be floating around in
zero-G, hard radiation, hard vacuum.
It'll be sending out a robot construction swarm to make a celestrial
body human habitable. After a hundred years or whatever, humans will
quickly haul their soft,waterbag bodies to this new readymade habitat.
And I do note a "religious" aspect about space colonization.
Sci-fi literature has formed this vision in us. Star Trek, Dr. Who,
Heinlein, Asimov, etc.
What science loving Westerner doesn't have this common space travel
mythology in place ?
Heck our minds are already out there....warping all over the universe,
encountering strange intellects, wormholeing about.
It's better out there to. Less banal.
It's all on "faith" isn't it ? Yes there is a definite religiousness
to it all.
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| User: "Jordan" |
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16 Jun 2006 02:35:38 PM |
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FED UP wrote:
To my dismay, I don't hold out much hope for space colonization
either.
At least not for quite a long time. And then, it'll be for the robots
to colonize.
It just isn't practical for the human body to be floating around in
zero-G, hard radiation, hard vacuum.
First of all, I know of no colonization plan involving having naked and
unprotected humans in hard vacuum. All the ones I've read about have
people living in pressurized, shielded habs and wearing spacesuits for
EVA. And rotating said habs for gravity.
It'll be sending out a robot construction swarm to make a celestrial
body human habitable. After a hundred years or whatever, humans will
quickly haul their soft,waterbag bodies to this new readymade habitat.
Why must the whole "celestial body" be made habitable in order for
people to live there? Why not simply build habitable structures and
supply gear for EVA?
And I do note a "religious" aspect about space colonization.
Sci-fi literature has formed this vision in us. Star Trek, Dr. Who,
Heinlein, Asimov, etc.
What science loving Westerner doesn't have this common space travel
mythology in place ?
Heck our minds are already out there....warping all over the universe,
encountering strange intellects, wormholeing about.
It's better out there to. Less banal.
It's all on "faith" isn't it ? Yes there is a definite religiousness
to it all.
No, it's not "all on 'faith'". It's based on an understanding of the
Universe and of the science and technology which make operating
off-Earth possible.
Sincerely Yours,
Jordan
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16 Jun 2006 12:49:36 PM |
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://markshea.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_markshea_archive.html#115021906885707716">http://markshea.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_markshea_archive.html#115021906885707716</a>
Proof that Even Geniuses Can Say Dumb Things
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060613/D8I7ADB81.html">http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060613/D8I7ADB81.html</a>
The notion that colonizing space is the only thing that can "save" the
human race is a pure expression of secular eschatological faith.
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<pre wrap=""><big><b><font color="#3333ff">I think the Second Coming is much more plausible than the notion that
we are going to Conquer Space. I think we'll get to Mars. Perhaps even
do a flyby of the outer solar system. That'll be about it. We're never
going to colonize other solar systems and the likelihood of colonizing
even ours is, I think, very low. We've got a perfectly good planet
right here. Why leave?</font>
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Bleats of protest to my blasphemies gladly accepted below. :)
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<font color="#993399"><big><b>Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R*
*E* *A* *T* *O* *R*<br>
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<font color="#660000"><big><big><b>My, Goodness!!<br>
</b></big></big></font>
<blockquote><big><b>If the Christian bible told you those types of
things, <br>
</b></big><font color="#cc0000"><big><b>and you believed it!, </b></big></font><big><b>you
<u>definitely </u> should not read <u>ANY </u>of the Harry
Potter books... <span class="moz-smiley-s8"><span> =-O </span></span><br>
<br>
</b></big></blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<font color="#993399"><big><big><b>God's Creator!</b></big></big></font><br>
(<b><font color="#cc0000">That was my only sin...) <span
class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span></font></b><br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="77">-- <b></b>
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<font color="#000066"><big><b>Psstt.... Hey! ---> <font
color="#cc0000">USED GODS SALE! : ---></font> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.godchecker.com/">http://www.godchecker.com/</a> </b></big></font>
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Jun 2006 06:36:52 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in alt.atheism
I think the Second Coming is much more plausible than the notion that
we are going to Conquer Space.
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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17 Jun 2006 05:08:43 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:ep5592h044sjki0c91s7di9283a8qfq9p4@4ax.com...
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in alt.atheism
I think the Second Coming is much more plausible than the notion
that
we are going to Conquer Space.
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
if we can steal jeebus's flying white horse, we'll have an economical
and reliable vehicle with which to send supplies to the moon.
--
Contrary to what you may think, the following was /not/ a description
of christianity by an agnostic:
"We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their
kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of
the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical
visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they
follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And
they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in
history's unmarked grave of discarded lies."
--
Scientists say the world can support 2 billion. The world currently
holds 6 billion. I say we start with the theists.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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17 Jun 2006 07:53:22 AM |
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Jeff White <mrsknickerbaiter@hasexploded.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in alt.atheism
I think the Second Coming is much more plausible than the notion
that we are going to Conquer Space.
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
if we can steal jeebus's flying white horse, we'll have an economical
and reliable vehicle with which to send supplies to the moon.
One flying white horse is heaps better than a dozen red-nosed
Rudolphs!
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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22 Jun 2006 01:40:45 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:9hu792t47qp2s7a0hp4ol6du8qoo1gm41q@4ax.com...
Jeff White <mrsknickerbaiter@hasexploded.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in alt.atheism
I think the Second Coming is much more plausible than the notion
that we are going to Conquer Space.
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
if we can steal jeebus's flying white horse, we'll have an
economical
and reliable vehicle with which to send supplies to the moon.
One flying white horse is heaps better than a dozen red-nosed
Rudolphs!
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
indeed, but at least we can prove the existence of santa claus.
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Scientists say the world can support 2 billion. The world currently
holds 6 billion. I say we start with the theists.
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16 Jun 2006 07:50:34 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:36:52 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>
wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has been
attested by witnesses, I'm inclined to take him at his word on the rest ..
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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17 Jun 2006 07:46:02 AM |
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George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has been
attested by witnesses, I'm inclined to take him at his word on the rest ..
Which Greek hero was it that rode Pegasus? Perseus?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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17 Jun 2006 12:23:01 PM |
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George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has been
attested by witnesses,
And what were the medical qualifications of those witnesses?
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17 Jun 2006 05:18:50 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has been
attested by witnesses, I'm inclined to take him at his word on the rest ..
Which Greek hero was it that rode Pegasus? Perseus?
Bellerophon.
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20 Jun 2006 03:39:18 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has been
attested by witnesses, I'm inclined to take him at his word on the rest ..
Which Greek hero was it that rode Pegasus? Perseus?
Bellerophon. But Perseus (in one story) did lop off Medusa's
head and Pegasus popped out.
Ray Harryhausen's _Clash of the Titans_ movie had
Perseus ride Pegasus.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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22 Jun 2006 01:42:16 AM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Elroy Willis wrote:
George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse
to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has
been
attested by witnesses, I'm inclined to take him at his word on
the rest ..
Which Greek hero was it that rode Pegasus? Perseus?
Bellerophon. But Perseus (in one story) did lop off Medusa's
head and Pegasus popped out.
Ray Harryhausen's _Clash of the Titans_ movie had
Perseus ride Pegasus.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
i will also add, for those seeking prurient interests, that that
particular film had some good titty in it; not as much as caligula,
but enough to pique my interest.
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| User: "bob young" |
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16 Jun 2006 11:00:02 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:36:52 GMT, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>
wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has been
attested by witnesses, I'm inclined to take him at his word on the rest ..
Don't tell me, witnesses from an old book of parables ! try that in Court
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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17 Jun 2006 07:48:41 AM |
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bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in alt.atheism
George Peatty wrote:
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
LOL. Jesus coming down from heaven riding a flying white horse to
save the day. That's sure believable! <cough>
More believable than coming back from the dead. Since that has been
attested by witnesses, I'm inclined to take him at his word on the rest ..
Don't tell me, witnesses from an old book of parables ! try that in Court
I don't think the 2nd coming of Jesus believers think about how
exactly he'll come back very often, else they'd realize how stupid the
idea is.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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16 Jun 2006 06:51:22 AM |
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(Sound of Trumpet):
Proof that Even Geniuses Can Say Dumb Things
(me):
However, not everyone who says something dumb is a genius.
I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you (a lie).
T
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16 Jun 2006 07:40:04 AM |
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. Space stations on the Moon > and Mars will require constant supplies from
earth.
Unclear on the concept of *space* station?
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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16 Jun 2006 07:48:38 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:40:04 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Mike
Schilling" <mscottschilling@hotmail.com> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
. Space stations on the Moon > and Mars will require constant supplies from
earth.
Unclear on the concept of *space* station?
(s)He seems unclear on several concepts, including not having a wacky
screen name.
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16 Jun 2006 08:33:05 AM |
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I think the Second Coming is much more plausible than the notion that
we are going to Conquer Space.
prove it, by rational means.
Do not invoke any untestable invented hypotheses.
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| User: "Wilson Heydt" |
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16 Jun 2006 11:23:51 AM |
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In article <1150442546.129056.59670@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The notion that colonizing space is the only thing that can "save" the
human race is a pure expression of secular eschatological faith.
You're conflating two very different meanings of 'salvation'. Until
you straighten out that problem, your drivel has no real meaning.
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Hal Heydt
Albany, CA
My dime, my opinions.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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17 Jun 2006 12:15:45 PM |
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(Wilson Heydt) wrote in alt.atheism
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The notion that colonizing space is the only thing that can "save" the
human race is a pure expression of secular eschatological faith.
You're conflating two very different meanings of 'salvation'. Until
you straighten out that problem, your drivel has no real meaning.
I'll bet he's more concerned with his own immortality than he is with
the continuation of the human species. If his personal "soul" isn't
saved for eternity, then what does it matter, at least to him?
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Rand Simberg" |
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16 Jun 2006 06:54:24 AM |
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On 16 Jun 2006 00:22:26 -0700, in a place far, far away, "Sound of
Silliness" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
Space stations on the Moon
and Mars will require constant supplies from earth.
There is no intrinsic reason that this must be the case, at a
sufficient technology level (though one we haven't yet attained but
likely will within the next century).
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| User: "Ian Woollard" |
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16 Jun 2006 08:39:59 AM |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
There is no intrinsic reason that this must be the case, at a
sufficient technology level (though one we haven't yet attained but
likely will within the next century).
It's not primarily a technological issue; it's an economic one.
We simply need somebody to see a decent profit from manned spaceflight
and then it will happen. The technological issues all have known
solutions.
Roll on space tourism.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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16 Jun 2006 09:34:58 AM |
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Ian Woollard <ian.woollard@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Rand Simberg wrote:
There is no intrinsic reason that this must be the case, at a
sufficient technology level (though one we haven't yet attained but
likely will within the next century).
It's not primarily a technological issue; it's an economic one.
We simply need somebody to see a decent profit from manned
spaceflight and then it will happen. The technological issues all have
known solutions.
Roll on space tourism.
In addition to space tourism, I'm wondering if asteroid mining will
ever actually take place, like is depicted in so many sci-fi stories.
If some asteroid is discovered to contain a bunch of gold or silver or
diamonds, or some other precious substances, would it be worth it to
go out and mine it and bring it back to Earth?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Ian Woollard" |
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16 Jun 2006 11:14:23 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
In addition to space tourism, I'm wondering if asteroid mining will
ever actually take place, like is depicted in so many sci-fi stories.
If some asteroid is discovered to contain a bunch of gold or silver or
diamonds, or some other precious substances, would it be worth it to
go out and mine it and bring it back to Earth?
If we have space tourism going then yes; although predominately to Earth
orbit, not Earth (although export to Earth is not a stupid idea either.)
The transport costs from Phobos to Earth orbit is orders of magnitude
lower than from the Earth to Earth orbit. So large-scale infrastructure
is preferentially going to need to be built with off-earth resources.
Gold and silver isn't particularly useful though. The key ingredient is
probably water and any kind of rock. Rock is radiation shield and/or ore
(for example for making aluminium), and water is a rocket fuel,
radiation shield, swimming pool; and you can even drink it if it still
seems clean enough. (It's thought that phobos has ice).
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16 Jun 2006 07:20:17 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> posting the following on Fri, 16 Jun 2006
14:34:58 GMT iin alt.atheism?
In addition to space tourism, I'm wondering if asteroid mining will
ever actually take place, like is depicted in so many sci-fi stories.
Eventually.
If some asteroid is discovered to contain a bunch of gold or silver or
diamonds, or some other precious substances, would it be worth it to
go out and mine it and bring it back to Earth?
Gold and silver will be impurities! (Well, gold has industrial
uses..) The main treasure will be metals like Iron, Aluminum, Nickel
and the like. There for the taking (you can end mining on Earth) easy
to smelt (just focus mirrors. Sun light does the rest) and best of
all it's already in space, spuring further construction.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing." - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
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17 Jun 2006 12:04:51 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:What's so funny about peace, love and Elroy Willis
:<elroywillis@swbell.net> posting the following on Fri, 16 Jun 2006
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:>If some asteroid is discovered to contain a bunch of gold or silver or
:>diamonds, or some other precious substances, would it be worth it to
:>go out and mine it and bring it back to Earth?
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:Gold and silver will be impurities! (Well, gold has industrial
:uses..) The main treasure will be metals like Iron, Aluminum, Nickel
:and the like. There for the taking (you can end mining on Earth) easy
:to smelt (just focus mirrors. Sun light does the rest) and best of
:all it's already in space, spuring further construction.
The lack of gravity is a complication. It still might be easier to
just use the moon like a big catcher's mitt and fling the things down
onto the Moon and then just use regular mining techniques and solar
furnaces to smelt the stuff out.
It's a pretty shallow gravity well to fling finished products back up
out of.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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| Title: Re: Space Travel As Secularist False Hope For Salvation |
20 Jun 2006 03:33:05 PM |
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Fred J. McCall (fmccall@earthlink.net) wrote:
: Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
: :What's so funny about peace, love and Elroy Willis
: :<elroywillis@swbell.net> posting the following on Fri, 16 Jun 2006
: :>
: :>If some asteroid is discovered to contain a bunch of gold or silver or
: :>diamonds, or some other precious substances, would it be worth it to
: :>go out and mine it and bring it back to Earth?
: :
: :Gold and silver will be impurities! (Well, gold has industrial
: :uses..) The main treasure will be metals like Iron, Aluminum, Nickel
: :and the like. There for the taking (you can end mining on Earth) easy
: :to smelt (just focus mirrors. Sun light does the rest) and best of
: :all it's already in space, spuring further construction.
: The lack of gravity is a complication. It still might be easier to
: just use the moon like a big catcher's mitt and fling the things down
: onto the Moon and then just use regular mining techniques and solar
: furnaces to smelt the stuff out.
: It's a pretty shallow gravity well to fling finished products back up
: out of.
This "flinging" is done exactly how? To use your baseball analogy, you
need to expound on the pitcher.
: --
: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
: man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
: all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
: --George Bernard Shaw
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| User: "Bill Steele" |
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| Title: Re: Space Travel As Secularist False Hope For Salvation |
20 Jun 2006 03:46:57 PM |
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In article <e79m21$1qa8$2@news.ums.edu>,
(Eric Chomko) wrote:
: The lack of gravity is a complication. It still might be easier to
: just use the moon like a big catcher's mitt and fling the things down
: onto the Moon and then just use regular mining techniques and solar
: furnaces to smelt the stuff out.
: It's a pretty shallow gravity well to fling finished products back up
: out of.
This "flinging" is done exactly how? To use your baseball analogy, you
need to expound on the pitcher.
One possibility is a sort of rail gun.
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| User: "Wilson Heydt" |
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| Title: Re: Space Travel As Secularist False Hope For Salvation |
20 Jun 2006 03:43:38 PM |
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In article <e79m21$1qa8$2@news.ums.edu>,
Eric Chomko <echomko_at_@polaris.umuc.edu> wrote:
Fred J. McCall (fmccall@earthlink.net) wrote:
: Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
: :What's so funny about peace, love and Elroy Willis
: :<elroywillis@swbell.net> posting the following on Fri, 16 Jun 2006
: :>
: :>If some asteroid is discovered to contain a bunch of gold or silver or
: :>diamonds, or some other precious substances, would it be worth it to
: :>go out and mine it and bring it back to Earth?
: :
: :Gold and silver will be impurities! (Well, gold has industrial
: :uses..) The main treasure will be metals like Iron, Aluminum, Nickel
: :and the like. There for the taking (you can end mining on Earth) easy
: :to smelt (just focus mirrors. Sun light does the rest) and best of
: :all it's already in space, spuring further construction.
: The lack of gravity is a complication. It still might be easier to
: just use the moon like a big catcher's mitt and fling the things down
: onto the Moon and then just use regular mining techniques and solar
: furnaces to smelt the stuff out.
: It's a pretty shallow gravity well to fling finished products back up
: out of.
This "flinging" is done exactly how? To use your baseball analogy, you
need to expound on the pitcher.
Induction catapult would do just fine.
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Hal Heydt
Albany, CA
My dime, my opinions.
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