Religions > Atheism > Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq!
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12 Jan 2008 11:50:37 AM |
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Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq! |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Saturday, January 12, 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's Baath
party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United States as
a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
The bill, approved by a unanimous show of hands on each of its 30
clauses, is the first piece of major U.S.-backed legislation approved by
the 275-seat parliament. Other benchmarks languish, including legislation
to divide the country's vast oil wealth, constitutional amendments
demanded by minority Sunni Arabs and a bill spelling out rules for local
elections.
The bill approved Saturday, titled the Accountability and Justice law,
seeks to relax restrictions on the rights of members of the now-dissolved
Baath party to fill government posts.
It is also designed to reinstate thousands of Baathists dismissed from
government jobs after the 2003 U.S. invasion — a decision that deepened
sectarian tensions between Iraq's majority Shiites and the once-dominant
Sunni Arabs, who believed the firings targeted their community.
The strict implementation of so-called de-Baathification rules also meant
that many senior bureaucrats who knew how to run ministries, university
departments and state companies ended up unemployed in a country where 35
years of Baath party rule and extensive government involvement in the
economy had left tens of thousands of party members in key positions.
That, coupled with the disbanding of the Iraqi army, threw tens of
thousands of people out of work at a critical time in Iraq's history and
fueled the burgeoning Sunni insurgency.
Traveling with President Bush in Manama, Bahrain, White House press
secretary Dana Perino said the legislation, coupled with a pension
measure approved by the parliament, "is important especially not just for
the Iraqis but it shows the American people that our troops and Americans
that are there working hard to help them get this to the point, are doing
the job, they are fulfilling their mission. It also shows the region that
they should have some confidence in what is happening in Iraq."
The Bush administration initially promoted de-Baathification but later
claimed that Iraqi authorities went beyond even what the Americans had
contemplated to keep Saddam's supporters out of important jobs.
With the Sunni insurgency raging and political leaders making little
progress in reconciling Iraq's Shiite, Sunni Arab and Kurdish
communities, the Americans switched positions and urged the dismantling
of de-Baathification laws.
Later, enacting and implementing legislation reinstating the fired Baath
supporters became one of 18 so-called benchmark issues the U.S. sought as
measures for progress in national reconciliation.
The legislation can become law only when approved by Iraq's presidential
council. The council, comprised of Iraq's president and two vice
presidents, is expected to ratify the measure.
The draft law approved Saturday is not a blanket approval for all former
Baathists to take government jobs.
The law will allow low-ranking Baathists not involved in past crimes
against Iraqis to go back to their jobs. High-ranking Baathists will be
sent to compulsory retirement and those involved in crimes will stand
trial, though their families will still have the right to pension.
The Baathists who were members in Saddam's security agencies must retire
— except for members of Fidayeen Saddam, a feared militia formed by
Saddam's eldest son, Oday. They will be entitled to nothing.
Inside parliament, when the Kurdish lawmakers raised their hands in favor
of the article that the members of Saddam's security bodies should be
sent to compulsory retirement, the Sunni Arab parliament speaker, Mahmoud
al-Mashhadani, told the Kurds: "Now you raise your hands in favor of
sending Saddam's security men to retirement, while earlier you reinstated
the Kurds who collaborated with or worked for Saddam to government jobs
in Kurdistan."
Al-Mashhadani spoke of "donkeys," a term used by Kurds to describe the
Kurdish people who used to collaborate with Saddam. They were pardoned by
Kurdistan officials after 2003 war.
"Are your donkeys better than our donkeys?" al-Mashhadani asked,
referring to Kurds who used to work for Saddam's security operations.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq! |
13 Jan 2008 04:21:18 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
BAGHDAD -- Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday
on the reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of
Saddam Hussein's Baath party to government jobs, a key
benchmark sought by the United States as a step toward
easing sectarian tensions.
So you're saying that Bush was wrong to throw out all the
Baath party workers in the first place -- that it resulted in
untolled dead -- and that you were wrong to support Bush's
policies all those years.
Well I'm glad to finally see you take some of the responsibility
for the mess they defended & endorsed.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq! |
13 Jan 2008 04:24:39 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:18 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
<38a85589-27aa-48b3-839d-2e1b90f56799@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
BAGHDAD -- Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday
on the reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of
Saddam Hussein's Baath party to government jobs, a key
benchmark sought by the United States as a step toward
easing sectarian tensions.
So you're saying that Bush was wrong to throw out all the
Baath party workers in the first place -- that it resulted in
untolled dead -- and that you were wrong to support Bush's
policies all those years.
Well I'm glad to finally see you take some of the responsibility
for the mess they defended & endorsed.
I wonder if Bush remembers that he is responsible for screwing up Iraq
in the first place.
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| User: "Mr D. Mr" |
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| Title: Re: Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq! |
13 Jan 2008 05:05:11 PM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:gs3lo3p69c2d1eifbiacfov8bo5e35udkq@4ax.
I wonder if Bush remembers that he is responsible for screwing up Iraq
in the first place.
He doesn't have to. He lives in the United States of *Amnesia*...
Of course, the best bit is this: after having been slung out of their
positions following the invasion, the Ba'athists have spent the last several
years forming themselves into a secret underground organisation with very
old-fashioned Ba'athist (pan-Arab, socialist, anti-US...) views. So letting
them back into positions of power is gonna be one *real* *****-fisting for
everything Bush's invasion and his Iraqi puppets say they want to
achieve....
Play it any way you like: this is still the same *defeat* it was 3 years
ago! The US is just losing to an additional set of people...!!
M.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq! |
13 Jan 2008 05:56:36 PM |
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"Mr D." <Mr D.@home.co.uk> wrote in
news:HOwij.46959$745.1384@newsfe1-win.ntli.net:
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:gs3lo3p69c2d1eifbiacfov8bo5e35udkq@4ax.
I wonder if Bush remembers that he is responsible for screwing up
Iraq in the first place.
He doesn't have to. He lives in the United States of *Amnesia*...
Of course, the best bit is this: after having been slung out of their
positions following the invasion, the Ba'athists have spent the last
several years forming themselves into a secret underground
organisation with very old-fashioned Ba'athist (pan-Arab, socialist,
anti-US...) views. So letting them back into positions of power is
gonna be one *real* *****-fisting for everything Bush's invasion and his
Iraqi puppets say they want to achieve....
Play it any way you like: this is still the same *defeat* it was 3
years ago! The US is just losing to an additional set of people...!!
Don't bother to learn anything about what is actually going on in Iraq.
Your fantasies are *so* much more entertaining.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq! |
14 Jan 2008 10:19:43 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:18 -0800, JTEM wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
BAGHDAD -- Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's
Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United
States as a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
So you're saying that Bush was wrong to throw out all the Baath party
workers in the first place
Now, now.
We have *always* been at war with Eastasia...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"For god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son,
that whosoever would believe in him would believe in anything."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Start the denial machine, there's political progress in Iraq! |
14 Jan 2008 10:55:12 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in news:vles55-qe1.ln1@75-104-
213-142.cust.wildblue.net:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:18 -0800, JTEM wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
BAGHDAD -- Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's
Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United
States as a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
So you're saying that Bush was wrong to throw out all the Baath party
workers in the first place
Now, now.
We have *always* been at war with Eastasia...
Quack Quack duckspeak doubleplusgood "JTEM" and Bilbo.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Bill Dukenfield" |
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12 Jan 2008 03:48:23 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Saturday, January 12, 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's Baath
party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United States as
a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
After all, they were just following orders. Right?
JAM
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Jan 2008 05:29:50 PM |
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Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478935C9.E7E415AA@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Saturday, January 12, 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's
Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United
States as a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
After all, they were just following orders. Right?
Is that the new spin on why the Democrats insisted on this as part of
their "benchmarks" for Iraq?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Bill Dukenfield" |
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12 Jan 2008 09:16:52 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478935C9.E7E415AA@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Saturday, January 12, 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam Hussein's
Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United
States as a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
After all, they were just following orders. Right?
Is that the new spin on why the Democrats insisted on this as part of
their "benchmarks" for Iraq?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken
No spin. Just something I've heard somewhere before. Maybe about 60
years ago.
JAM
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Jan 2008 10:10:36 PM |
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Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478982C7.5A509BC6@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478935C9.E7E415AA@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Saturday, January 12, 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam
Hussein's Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought
by the United States as a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
After all, they were just following orders. Right?
Is that the new spin on why the Democrats insisted on this as part of
their "benchmarks" for Iraq?
No spin.
Yes, spin.
Just something I've heard somewhere before. Maybe about 60
years ago.
Shallow.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time. H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Bill Dukenfield" |
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13 Jan 2008 12:53:49 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478982C7.5A509BC6@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478935C9.E7E415AA@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Saturday, January 12, 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the
reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam
Hussein's Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark sought
by the United States as a step toward easing sectarian tensions.
After all, they were just following orders. Right?
Is that the new spin on why the Democrats insisted on this as part of
their "benchmarks" for Iraq?
No spin.
Yes, spin.
Just something I've heard somewhere before. Maybe about 60
years ago.
Shallow.
Like your brain pan?
JAM
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Jan 2008 04:06:40 PM |
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Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478A5E60.9906BC4A@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478982C7.5A509BC6@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote in
news:478935C9.E7E415AA@nospam.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Saturday, January 12, 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on
the reinstatement of thousands of former supporters of Saddam
Hussein's Baath party to government jobs, a key benchmark
sought by the United States as a step toward easing sectarian
tensions.
After all, they were just following orders. Right?
Is that the new spin on why the Democrats insisted on this as part
of their "benchmarks" for Iraq?
No spin.
Yes, spin.
Just something I've heard somewhere before. Maybe about 60
years ago.
Shallow.
Like your brain pan?
I know you are but what am I?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time. H. L. Mencken
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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12 Jan 2008 11:53:14 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Great! Now, let's bring our boys home so that the Iraqi lawmakers can
pass the rest of the benchmarks.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Jan 2008 12:19:29 PM |
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DanielSan <petersonj07@comcast.net> wrote in news:U7ednX7gjP-
IYxXanZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Great! Now, let's bring our boys home so that the Iraqi lawmakers can
pass the rest of the benchmarks.
Non sequituur.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is
largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2008 05:04:37 PM |
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On 12 jan, 19:19, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
DanielSan <peterson...@comcast.net> wrote in news:U7ednX7gjP-
IYxXanZ2dnUVZ_q7in...@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322309,00.html
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Great! =A0Now, let's bring our boys home so that the Iraqi lawmakers can=
pass the rest of the benchmarks.
Non sequituur.
Apperantly DanielSan mistakes your message.
He probably thinks you meant to say "Mission completed"
Nobody did say that.
Or did somebody say that?
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