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"Dr. Tom Snyder" |
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01 Aug 2005 08:46:00 AM |
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Stem Cell Funding Truth |
First, the issue is not about banning embryonic stem cell research. Private
groups and companies can do all the funding of embryonic stem cell research
that they want!!!
Second, it's not the government's business to fund this kind of thing in the
first place. The Constitution does not give the federal government the
authority to do it. Also, the Constitution guarantees that all the states
shall have a republican form of government, which means the state
governments shouldn't do it either.
The Founding Fathers instituted a limited government. Federal funding for
education, the poor, the elderly, and business is unconstitutional and
anti-American.
Finally, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research smacks of fascist,
Mengele-style death camp research on human beings against their will. Those
who support it are walking down a very dangerous philosophical road.
ts
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Stem Cell Funding Truth |
01 Aug 2005 10:39:05 AM |
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"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:PbKdnaDPlfzlu3PfRVn-vg@adelphia.com...
First, the issue is not about banning embryonic stem cell research.
Private
groups and companies can do all the funding of embryonic stem cell
research
that they want!!!
Second, it's not the government's business to fund this kind of thing in
the
first place. The Constitution does not give the federal government the
authority to do it. Also, the Constitution guarantees that all the states
shall have a republican form of government, which means the state
governments shouldn't do it either.
The Founding Fathers instituted a limited government. Federal funding for
education, the poor, the elderly, and business is unconstitutional and
anti-American.
Finally, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research smacks of
fascist,
Mengele-style death camp research on human beings against their will.
Those
who support it are walking down a very dangerous philosophical road.
ts
www.americanvision.org
www.answers.org
www.movieguide.org
Well, "Doctor" Tom Snyder. I guess Nancy Reagan is a Nazi in Christian
clothing. Eh?
Greywolf
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: Stem Cell Funding Truth |
01 Aug 2005 08:57:21 AM |
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Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:
First, the issue is not about banning embryonic stem cell research. Private
groups and companies can do all the funding of embryonic stem cell research
that they want!!!
Very true.
Second, it's not the government's business to fund this kind of thing in the
first place. The Constitution does not give the federal government the
authority to do it.
Does it say that they don't have the authority to do it?
The Founding Fathers instituted a limited government. Federal funding for
education, the poor, the elderly, and business is unconstitutional and
anti-American.
I'm an outsider, so maybe I misunderstand this, but it
was my impression that the constitution outlines how
the government works, and that it limits the government
from doing certain things. I didn't think it stated that
that government can't do anything unless the constitution
allows it.
Finally, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research smacks of fascist,
Mengele-style death camp research on human beings against their will. Those
who support it are walking down a very dangerous philosophical road.
Really? People *choose* to give up the embryos for
research don't they? How's that against their will?
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| User: "David Canzi -- non-mailable" |
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| Title: Re: Stem Cell Funding Truth |
01 Aug 2005 06:17:01 PM |
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In article <PbKdnaDPlfzlu3PfRVn-vg@adelphia.com>,
Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote:
First, the issue is not about banning embryonic stem cell research. Private
groups and companies can do all the funding of embryonic stem cell research
that they want!!!
[snip]
Finally, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research smacks of fascist,
Mengele-style death camp research on human beings against their will.
Is the issue for you really about banning embryonic stem cell research,
though you say otherwise, or do you really mean to tell us that fascist,
Mengele-style death camp research is okay if it isn't federally funded?
--
David Canzi "I am not denying anything." -- Celia Farber
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Stem Cell Funding Truth |
01 Aug 2005 09:21:38 PM |
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In article <PbKdnaDPlfzlu3PfRVn-vg@adelphia.com>,
says...
First, the issue is not about banning embryonic stem cell research. Private
groups and companies can do all the funding of embryonic stem cell research
that they want!!!
You only get three exclamation points per month and you just used them
up on your first sentence. Now, as to your claim, if you believe that
it is wrong, then why do you support it being done with private money.
Would the Holocaust have been alright in your eyes if it had been
carried out entirely by private enterprise?
Second, it's not the government's business to fund this kind of thing in the
first place.
Which government?
The Constitution
There's more than one constitution, dumbass.
does not give the federal government the
authority to do it.
It certainly didn't say the word "stem cells", since the embryonic
variety weren't isolated until 1999. But the US Constitution does allow
government to take actions that promote the general welfare. Protecting
the health of its citizens is, in effect, national defense against the
terrorism of disease.
Also, the Constitution guarantees that all the states
shall have a republican form of government, which means the state
governments shouldn't do it either.
Eh? What does representative democracy have to do with stem cell
research?
The Founding Fathers instituted a limited government. Federal funding for
education, the poor, the elderly, and business is unconstitutional and
anti-American.
Your argument is utter horseshit and by that horseshit argument many of
the diseases which we have cured in the 20th century never would have
been cured, because the Federal government wouldn't have been there to
finance it.
Finally, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research smacks of fascist,
Mengele-style death camp research
*****. They are dealing with single cells without the ability to
feel or think. Your idiotic conflation with the murder and torture of
actual human beings is just an attempt to minimize the Holocaust.
on human beings against their will.
A stem cell has no "will" because it is incapable of thinking. It is
not even capable of becoming an entire human being.
Those
who support it are walking down a very dangerous philosophical road.
No, but morons like yourself, who don't understand the facts or know
anything about philosophy are easily confused. I'm not surprised that
you're scared yourself with your own illiterate propaganda. Stem cell
research promises to make life better for huge numbers of people and
probably already would have cured some diseases if evil, immoral idiots
like yourself hadn't obstructed it. Furthermore, when the first
widespread cure of diseases via embryonic stem cells comes I line I
believe that every one of the anti-stem cell assholes, such as yourself,
should be prosecuted as an accessory to the death of those people who
died due to the obstructionistic tactics that you anti-science cretins
have been practicing.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: Stem Cell Funding Truth |
02 Aug 2005 02:38:34 AM |
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:46:00 -0700, "Dr. Tom Snyder"
<titus213@adelphia.net> wrote:
First, the issue is not about banning embryonic stem cell research. Private
groups and companies can do all the funding of embryonic stem cell research
that they want!!!
Second, it's not the government's business to fund this kind of thing in the
first place. The Constitution does not give the federal government the
authority to do it. Also, the Constitution guarantees that all the states
shall have a republican form of government, which means the state
governments shouldn't do it either.
The Founding Fathers instituted a limited government. Federal funding for
education, the poor, the elderly, and business is unconstitutional and
anti-American.
Finally, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research smacks of fascist,
Mengele-style death camp research on human beings against their will. Those
who support it are walking down a very dangerous philosophical road.
The above is a good example of why it is so difficult sometimes to
discern between satire and a post meant to be taken seriously. It's
scary that people can actually write something like the above and be
completely serious.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Stem Cell Funding Truth |
01 Aug 2005 01:06:03 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dr. Tom Snyder
(titus213@adelphia.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Finally, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research smacks of
fascist, Mengele-style death camp research on human beings against
their will. Those who support it are walking down a very dangerous
philosophical road.
Then according to your logic, so does research on finding a cure for cancer
and AIDS. Why is it, every time science takes a little step forward, you
fundamentalist assholes are there standing in the way, pushing it back?
What, are your pitiful stone-age supernatural beliefs more important than
taking steps to prolong life, to fight disease, to generally make life more
livable for all human beings, not just the ones who follow some make-
believe man in the sky? Stem cell research has nothing to do with living
human beings, with the exception that it could produce healthy tissue to
replace tissues in living humans that can't heal themsselves. WHERE'S THE
FEAR FACTOR, *****??? *****, get an education.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
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