Religions > Atheism > Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia
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19 Apr 2007 09:41:54 AM |
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Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
To be fair, they don't have the GOP sending billions dollars of bribes
to Big Pharma.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
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Yang
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| Title: Re: Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
19 Apr 2007 11:07:01 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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To be fair, they don't have the GOP sending billions dollars of bribes
to Big Pharma.
Worse is the $300 billion a year we give to private health insurers to
shuffle paper and erect artificial barriers to getting treatment. At least
big Pharma does contribute SOMETHING to health care. The Insurance companies
contribute NOTHING to health care.
But buying politicians with that $300 billion pays off handsomely.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3312 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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| User: "Blazing Laser" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
19 Apr 2007 01:46:08 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:07:01 -0400, "Guy" <nospam@nospam.us> wrote:
Worse is the $300 billion a year we give to private health insurers to
shuffle paper and erect artificial barriers to getting treatment. At least
big Pharma does contribute SOMETHING to health care. The Insurance companies
contribute NOTHING to health care.
No, they contribute to political parties. 8^)
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| User: "M_P" |
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19 Apr 2007 02:57:58 PM |
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On Apr 19, 9:41 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
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http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
*yawn* The authors themselves classify all but ten of those studies,
which focused on particular medical conditions, as "low-quality" ...
and ten studies of particular conditions proves squat about overall
healthcare.
I did enjoy this bit:
"The plot suggests some asymmetry, with a number of low-precision
studies favouring Canada without corresponding studies favouring the
United States. This is consistent with the statistical analysis [...]
One possible explanation for this result is publication bias in
Canada's favour." - http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1
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| User: "*I* *AM* I" |
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19 Apr 2007 04:03:42 PM |
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M_P wrote:
On Apr 19, 9:41 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
*yawn* The authors themselves classify all but ten of those studies,
which focused on particular medical conditions, as "low-quality" ...
and ten studies of particular conditions proves squat about overall
healthcare.
I did enjoy this bit:
"The plot suggests some asymmetry, with a number of low-precision
studies favouring Canada without corresponding studies favouring the
United States. This is consistent with the statistical analysis [...]
One possible explanation for this result is publication bias in
Canada's favour." - http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
America has NO Health Care System, it has an exploitive scam,
controlled by the FDA, for the benefit of the Pharmaceutical Corp.
Little Cuba provides Health care to many countries other than Cuba,
in spite of the U.S. financing of destabilizing plots to destroy
Cuba for Decades. :-(
---> http://www.cubasolidarity.net/inhealth.html
No doubt, Socialism serves its populations far better than
U.S. Capitalism's *Ruling Class*.
China, Vietnam, Venezuela etc. health care systems are known
to be superior to the U.S. Capitalist owned Guam, Haiti, Iraq
and many other U.S. controlled Protectorates.
(Including it's Washington D.C.).
---> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/health/dc_hosp.html
God's Creator!
(I am Life & Death)
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| User: "M_P" |
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20 Apr 2007 03:59:23 PM |
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On Apr 19, 4:03 pm, *I* *AM* <"I _Am_"@The.O.ne> wrote:
M_P wrote:
On Apr 19, 9:41 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
*yawn* The authors themselves classify all but ten of those studies,
which focused on particular medical conditions, as "low-quality" ...
and ten studies of particular conditions proves squat about overall
healthcare.
I did enjoy this bit:
"The plot suggests some asymmetry, with a number of low-precision
studies favouring Canada without corresponding studies favouring the
United States. This is consistent with the statistical analysis [...]
One possible explanation for this result is publication bias in
Canada's favour." -http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1
America has NO Health Care System, it has an exploitive scam,
controlled by the FDA, for the benefit of the Pharmaceutical Corp.
Once again, conservatives post facts and liberals reply with bumper-
sticker rants. In other news, the sun rose in the east this
morning ....
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| User: "Blazing Laser" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
19 Apr 2007 10:29:18 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:41:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
To be fair, they don't have the GOP sending billions dollars of bribes
to Big Pharma.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
This is not big news. A majority of Americans have wanted a
'Canadian-style single payer' health plan for years & years.
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| User: "Jack Granade" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
19 Apr 2007 11:19:09 AM |
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<Blazing Laser> wrote in message
news:tk2f23pfboaak6kjud60bhvtghqorfnhlt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:41:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
To be fair, they don't have the GOP sending billions dollars of bribes
to Big Pharma.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
This is not big news. A majority of Americans have wanted a
'Canadian-style single payer' health plan for years & years.
This is a real crock. The rich liberal Canadians come to this country for
medical treatment while the poor in Canada wait for months to receive just
the basic treatments.
jack g.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
20 Apr 2007 12:59:29 AM |
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"Jack Granade" <jgran...@pioneernet.net> wrote:
This is a real crock.
You mean, "Because the situation in America is FAR worse than
the story suggests!"
In actual fact, the United States spends more on healthcare --
including per capita -- than any industrialized nation on earth,
yet we rank 46th in life expectancy.
In fact, it is *So* monumentally bad that our government, controlled
by big business which doesn't want to see change, actually lobbied
& bullied the U.N. into changing the way it computes "Life Expectancy"
in order to artificially nudge the United States up to 24th.
How do they determine life expectancy? They just note the age at
which people die, and compute the average. Right?
WRONG!
The new -- pro big business method -- only counts what it calls years
of "Full Health," and subtracts what it subjectively determines to be
years of "Ill Health." Using this method, the government can pretend
that many people in other countries are dying much younger than they
actually are, and that the United States ranks 24th in life
expectancy.
But, like I said, the United States doesn't rank 24th in life
expectancy.
It ranks 46th.
The sad part is, 24th still wouldn't be anything to brag about. After
all,
it is -- by far -- the most expensive healthcare in the world. Even
with
the fantasy ranking of 24th, it would be paying top dollar for
something
that isn't even in the top-20.
But, again, the U.S. is 46th in life expectancy. We just barely made
it in the top 50....
The rich liberal Canadians come to this country for medical treatment
while the poor in Canada wait for months to receive just
the basic treatments.
Almost. Those rich Canadians that come to America are getting
treatment that poor Americans CAN NOT GET.
It's treatment that isn't available to the average American, period.
We're talking "The leading heart specialist," or one of the world's
"Foremost experts on the liver."
Movie stars, politicians and, yes, even rich foreigners have access
to the best of the best, but nobody else does.
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| User: "Well Done" |
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26 Apr 2007 10:58:17 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Almost. Those rich Canadians that come to America are getting
treatment that poor Americans CAN NOT GET.
<Snip>
Movie stars, politicians and, yes, even rich foreigners have access
to the best of the best, but nobody else does.
<Snip>
You seem unwilling to consider the reasons the U. S. continues to go
with no gov't-controlled health insurance.
NONE of the problems you cite (which are anecdotal in nature anyway)
would not have happened under a gov't controlled system. A major
expense for hospitals is the value of emergency services that are
never paid for. To say that anyone without health insurance has no
access to health care, is a lie. It's also a lie to say that people
don't suffer on waiting lists in a gov't controlled system. And, it's
a DUMB lie to say that gov't control means the poor and rich have
equal access. REALLY dumb.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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26 Apr 2007 03:07:36 PM |
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Well Done <WellD...@WellHoned.com> wrote:
NONE of the problems you cite (which are anecdotal in nature
anyway) would not have happened under a gov't controlled
system. A major expense for hospitals is the value of
emergency services that are never paid for. To say that
anyone without health insurance has no access to health
care, is a lie.
Oh, please. "Emergency services." I think we can all agree,
especially those providing emergency services, that it would
be better to treat that cut... those chest pains... that limp...
the dizzy spells... BEFORE they are considered emergencies.
It seems to me that the obvious answer is, well, it's obvious:
We divide healthcare into two. The first part is what every
decent government should (and does) offer:
Universal healthcare coverage designed to keep healthy people
from getting sick, and return sick & injured people to health.
The next level would be "Catastrophic/supplemental healthcare."
The universal coverage under part-1 provides the emergancy
room that saves your life. But skin graphs to make you look
pretty again after the accident are purely cosmetic. And then
there's treatments that are considered high risk or experimental,
for those considered terminal.
Every decent government going back to Rome considered it
there responsibility to keep the population healthy. In Roman
times that amounted to clean water, public baths and sewage.
But, we have the means to take things much further, and we
don't.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:04:42 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Jack Granade" <jgran...@pioneernet.net> wrote:
This is a real crock.
You mean, "Because the situation in America is FAR worse than
the story suggests!"
In actual fact, the United States spends more on healthcare --
including per capita -- than any industrialized nation on earth,
yet we rank 46th in life expectancy.
In fact, it is *So* monumentally bad that our government, controlled
by big business which doesn't want to see change, actually lobbied
& bullied the U.N. into changing the way it computes "Life Expectancy"
in order to artificially nudge the United States up to 24th.
How do they determine life expectancy? They just note the age at
which people die, and compute the average. Right?
WRONG!
The new -- pro big business method -- only counts what it calls years
of "Full Health," and subtracts what it subjectively determines to be
years of "Ill Health." Using this method, the government can pretend
that many people in other countries are dying much younger than they
actually are, and that the United States ranks 24th in life
expectancy.
But, like I said, the United States doesn't rank 24th in life
expectancy.
It ranks 46th.
The sad part is, 24th still wouldn't be anything to brag about. After
all,
it is -- by far -- the most expensive healthcare in the world. Even
with
the fantasy ranking of 24th, it would be paying top dollar for
something
that isn't even in the top-20.
But, again, the U.S. is 46th in life expectancy. We just barely made
it in the top 50....
The rich liberal Canadians come to this country for medical treatment
while the poor in Canada wait for months to receive just
the basic treatments.
Almost. Those rich Canadians that come to America are getting
treatment that poor Americans CAN NOT GET.
It's treatment that isn't available to the average American, period.
We're talking "The leading heart specialist," or one of the world's
"Foremost experts on the liver."
Movie stars, politicians and, yes, even rich foreigners have access
to the best of the best, but nobody else does.
You realize, JTEM, that facts like these will just confuse the poor guy.
He barely scratches the surface and believes he knows everything.
Leave the guy alone. You'll just confuse him even more when you begin
giving him silly things like "facts" and "figures".
For folks like him Pi = 3 is good enough for him.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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20 Apr 2007 01:26:51 AM |
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DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
You realize, JTEM, that facts like these will just confuse
the poor guy. He barely scratches the surface and
believes he knows everything. Leave the guy alone.
You'll just confuse him even more when you begin
giving him silly things like "facts" and "figures".
True. And, in case anyone out there was interested, I
wasn't kidding about fudging the life expectancy
numbers:
| Previously, life expectancy estimates were based on
| the overall length of life based on mortality data only.
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| Disability Adjusted Life Expectancy (DALE). DALE
| summarizes the expected number of years to be
| lived in what might be termed the equivalent of "full
| health." To calculate DALE, the years of ill-health
| are weighted according to severity and subtracted
| from the expected overall life expectancy to give the
| equivalent years of healthy life.
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html
That's the World Health Organization. Or, more
accurately, corporate America speaking through the
U.S. government as they speak through the World
Health Organization.
They're literally pretending that people died years
before their actual death, just to artificially pump
up the life expectancy in the United States.
The net result is that the United States jumped from
46th in life expectancy (computed the old way, just
noting how old people were when they died) all the
way up to 24th.
For folks like him Pi = 3 is good enough for him.
"Somewhere between one & five."
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| User: "Blazing Laser" |
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20 Apr 2007 04:50:08 PM |
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On 19 Apr 2007 22:59:29 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
But, like I said, the United States doesn't rank 24th in life
expectancy.
It ranks 46th.
There is evidence to suggest that Canadians and Europeans are just
healthier than Americans, for many reasons besides getting as good or
better healthcare. Obesity is a bigger problem here than anywhere
else. Also I think things like heart disease and certain kinds of
cancer are much more prevalent here.
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27 Apr 2007 01:23:04 AM |
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Blazing Laser wrote:
There is evidence to suggest that Canadians and Europeans
are just healthier than Americans, for many reasons besides
getting as good or better healthcare.
Yes, but they also smoke & drink more... at least the europeans.
That's one of the things that surprised a friend of mine the most,
the fact that so many more Europeans seemed to smoke, and
in far more places than Americans.
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| User: "Blazing Laser" |
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29 Apr 2007 03:09:41 AM |
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On 26 Apr 2007 23:23:04 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Blazing Laser wrote:
There is evidence to suggest that Canadians and Europeans
are just healthier than Americans, for many reasons besides
getting as good or better healthcare.
Yes, but they also smoke & drink more... at least the europeans.
That's one of the things that surprised a friend of mine the most,
the fact that so many more Europeans seemed to smoke, and
in far more places than Americans.
Smoking was almost universal in the US only about 30 years ago. We
went from a nation fo 85% smokers to about 5% today. We did it
through education, not prohibition, interdictment, mass incarceration,
etc. etc.
But it's funny, the other countries smoke like chimneys, eat tons of
fat, etc., and are still healthier than we are.
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29 Apr 2007 11:45:25 AM |
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Blazing Laser wrote:
But it's funny, the other countries smoke like chimneys,
eat tons of fat, etc., and are still healthier than we are.
Another health hazard for Europeans in Diesel exhaust.
Well, if you want to precise it's "Diesel Exhaust Particles."
The rule, as opposed to the exception, is you can get more
diesel fuel from a barrel of oil than gasoline. Also, the rule
(as opposed to the exception) is that diesel vehicals get
better milage than gasoline. Put those two together and the
result is a London & Paris choked with diesel exhaust
particles.
Cars that could never pass emissions here are filling
roadways over there.
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19 Apr 2007 12:41:05 PM |
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"Jack Granade" <jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote in message
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<Blazing Laser> wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:41:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
To be fair, they don't have the GOP sending billions dollars of bribes
to Big Pharma.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
This is not big news. A majority of Americans have wanted a
'Canadian-style single payer' health plan for years & years.
This is a real crock. The rich liberal Canadians come to this country for
medical treatment while the poor in Canada wait for months to receive just
the basic treatments.
*****! A big steaming pile of *****!
You are a paid shill for the health insurance companies who are ripping off
the American public to the tune of $300 billion EVERY YEAR and yet
contribute NOTHING to our health care.
jack g.
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19 Apr 2007 12:54:31 PM |
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Jack Granade wrote:
<Blazing Laser> wrote in message
news:tk2f23pfboaak6kjud60bhvtghqorfnhlt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:41:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
To be fair, they don't have the GOP sending billions dollars of bribes
to Big Pharma.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
This is not big news. A majority of Americans have wanted a
'Canadian-style single payer' health plan for years & years.
This is a real crock. The rich liberal Canadians come to this country for
medical treatment while the poor in Canada wait for months to receive just
the basic treatments.
Cite?
jack g.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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20 Apr 2007 01:40:37 AM |
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Republicans Hate America wrote:
Jack Granade wrote:
<Blazing Laser> wrote in message
news:tk2f23pfboaak6kjud60bhvtghqorfnhlt@4ax.com...
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:41:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
To be fair, they don't have the GOP sending billions dollars of bribes
to Big Pharma.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/204163
Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than
in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south
of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data
from 38 studies.
This is not big news. A majority of Americans have wanted a
'Canadian-style single payer' health plan for years & years.
This is a real crock. The rich liberal Canadians come to this country
for medical treatment while the poor in Canada wait for months to
receive just the basic treatments.
Cite?
He won't have a credible one because it's a lie. Canadians do come to
the United States for some procedures, such as cosmetic surgery, because
the waiting list in Canada is out of this world for those kinds of
procedures.
However, this claim about having "wait for months to receive just the
basic treatments" is a lie. Anyone can go into any hospital in Canada
and receive emergency care immediately.
This claim also suggests that there's no such thing as a waiting list
for treatments in the United States. I have a friend who has been on
kidney dialysis for years (he went into surgery on September 11th, 2001,
and the grounding of the planes nearly killed him because they couldn't
get the donated kidney to him for a while; they had to pack it on ice
and drive it to him).
The kidney is being rejected by his body, but he's back on a waiting
list for a new kidney...for going on 6 years now. He's been taking
anti-rejection drugs, but he still lost half of his left foot due to the
issues.
And he's still waiting. Where is he? Olympia, Washington.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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20 Apr 2007 01:12:48 AM |
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DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
He won't have a credible one because it's a lie. Canadians
do come to the United States for some procedures, such
as cosmetic surgery, because the waiting list in Canada is
out of this world for those kinds of procedures.
Very true, but it doesn't end there. American insurance companies
will only pay so much for a procedure, and they won't pay for some
(any that they consider "experimental" (a term they use quite
subjectively)) at all.
So that rock-star heart surgeon isn't ever going to see a working
class person, let alone a poor person, whether they're American
or Canadian.
This claim also suggests that there's no such thing as a waiting
list for treatments in the United States. I have a friend who has
been on kidney dialysis for years
It was a long time ago, but I recall some "Sob Story" about a young
kid -- in his teens -- and how the new anti-rejection drugs could be
the answer to all his prayers. Yes, he was from a rich family... which
explains how, despite his age, he had alreay had seven (7) kidney
transplants. They said in the story that they never removed any of
them, hoping one would eventually start working.
As shocking as it seems, rich people don't seem to "Wait" on waiting
lists for nearly as long as middle class & poor people.
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| User: "Blazing Laser" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
20 Apr 2007 04:47:25 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:40:37 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
The kidney is being rejected by his body, but he's back on a waiting
list for a new kidney...for going on 6 years now. He's been taking
anti-rejection drugs, but he still lost half of his left foot due to the
issues.
Boy I'm really sorry to hear that! My sweetie has a kidney
transplant, after the both of us hung around a dialysis center for 4
years. (The surgeon who did her transplant is the brother of Willem
Dafoe! Looked like him too!)
Did you know that in the US all organ transplants are done by
Medicare, in training hospitals? So it's 'socialized medicine'
anyway.
Also, while we were on the waiting list I did some research. It turns
out that Canada and Europe have the same number of kidney transplants
per capita as the US, and the same or better results.
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| User: "Blazing Laser" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Canadian Healthcare Cheaper AND Better Than Out American Healthcare Utopia |
19 Apr 2007 01:45:12 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:19:09 -0700, "Jack Granade"
<jgranade@pioneernet.net> wrote:
This is a real crock. The rich liberal Canadians come to this country for
medical treatment while the poor in Canada wait for months to receive just
the basic treatments.
Yes, the US has the best healthcare system in the world FOR THOSE WHO
CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTHCARE. If you were a Canadian
millionaire you might well choose to come across the border rather
than wait, or to get that face-lift or boob job.
OTOH if you were a middle-class Canadian who can't afford such things,
you might have to wait a little longer for that non-emergency
procedure, but you won't die while you're waiting. Statistically you
are as safe as an American, and even healthier, despite heathcare
costs being half what they are in the US.
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