Religions > Atheism > Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)
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"Yang, AthD \h.c" |
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03 Jun 2004 01:55:03 AM |
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Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?) |
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTMURPH.HTM
"Americans over all are 78 percent Christian, 1.3 percent Jewish, .5 percent
Moslem, .4 percent Hindu, 13 percent unknown or none and the rest various
other sects and faiths. But the troops are 55 percent Christian, .3 percent
Moslem, .27 percent Jewish, .04 percent Hindu, .24 percent Buddhist and 34
percent unknown or no preference."
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -816 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?) |
03 Jun 2004 09:23:17 AM |
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:55:03 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)"
<eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com> wrote:
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTMURPH.HTM
"Americans over all are 78 percent Christian, 1.3 percent Jewish, .5 percent
Moslem, .4 percent Hindu, 13 percent unknown or none and the rest various
other sects and faiths. But the troops are 55 percent Christian, .3 percent
Moslem, .27 percent Jewish, .04 percent Hindu, .24 percent Buddhist and 34
percent unknown or no preference."
Did they compare the same demographic in the US population - between
18 - 30? Most people don't make the military a carerr, they sign up
for a term to pay for education or to get some experience and then go
on. Isn't there a tendency to become religous in your later years?
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?) |
03 Jun 2004 01:18:51 PM |
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http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTMURPH.HTM
"Americans over all are 78 percent Christian, 1.3 percent Jewish, .5 percent
Moslem, .4 percent Hindu, 13 percent unknown or none and the rest various
other sects and faiths. But the troops are 55 percent Christian, .3 percent
Moslem, .27 percent Jewish, .04 percent Hindu, .24 percent Buddhist and 34
percent unknown or no preference."
Did they compare the same demographic in the US population - between
18 - 30? Most people don't make the military a carerr, they sign up
for a term to pay for education or to get some experience and then go
on. Isn't there a tendency to become religous in your later years?
It is possible that the author (who I assume is Star Fleet Battles creator and
former military intelligence officer Steve Cole, who published an intelligence
newsletter called "For Your Eyes Only" [FYEO] back in the 80s and is listed as
a senior editor on the website) did not have access to the data. His figures
are very similar to what we're seeing at www.adherents.com from the ARIS 2001
survey. To my knowledge, that survey did not do detailed breakdown by age.
Still, I'm certain that it must frighten the neo-cons that the military is 34%
atheist.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?) |
03 Jun 2004 05:39:30 PM |
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On 03 Jun 2004 18:18:51 GMT, forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert) wrote:
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTMURPH.HTM
"Americans over all are 78 percent Christian, 1.3 percent Jewish, .5 percent
Moslem, .4 percent Hindu, 13 percent unknown or none and the rest various
other sects and faiths. But the troops are 55 percent Christian, .3 percent
Moslem, .27 percent Jewish, .04 percent Hindu, .24 percent Buddhist and 34
percent unknown or no preference."
Did they compare the same demographic in the US population - between
18 - 30? Most people don't make the military a carerr, they sign up
for a term to pay for education or to get some experience and then go
on. Isn't there a tendency to become religous in your later years?
It is possible that the author (who I assume is Star Fleet Battles creator and
former military intelligence officer Steve Cole, who published an intelligence
newsletter called "For Your Eyes Only" [FYEO] back in the 80s and is listed as
a senior editor on the website) did not have access to the data. His figures
are very similar to what we're seeing at www.adherents.com from the ARIS 2001
survey. To my knowledge, that survey did not do detailed breakdown by age.
Still, I'm certain that it must frighten the neo-cons that the military is 34%
atheist.
Doesn't bother me at all. I'm happy to have an atheist fighting for me. Not yang, of
course, because he is a coward.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?) |
08 Jun 2004 09:55:37 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:18:51 -0500, Lord Calvert wrote
(in article <20040603141851.15699.00000225@mb-m24.aol.com>):
snip
Still, I'm certain that it must frighten the neo-cons that the military is
34% atheist.
Sounds about right to me from my experience in the Navy during the 70's.
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Jesus loves you, but Cthulu thinks you're part of a nutritious breakfast."-
Dr. Smartass
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?) |
03 Jun 2004 05:38:31 PM |
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On 3 Jun 2004 09:23:17 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:55:03 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)"
<eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com> wrote:
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTMURPH.HTM
"Americans over all are 78 percent Christian, 1.3 percent Jewish, .5 percent
Moslem, .4 percent Hindu, 13 percent unknown or none and the rest various
other sects and faiths. But the troops are 55 percent Christian, .3 percent
Moslem, .27 percent Jewish, .04 percent Hindu, .24 percent Buddhist and 34
percent unknown or no preference."
Did they compare the same demographic in the US population - between
18 - 30? Most people don't make the military a carerr, they sign up
for a term to pay for education or to get some experience and then go
on. Isn't there a tendency to become religous in your later years?
Well, what the yang boy's problem is that he missed the major point - ie, we have an all
volunteer army.
Not something yang would think of.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Yang, AthD \h.c" |
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| Title: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
03 Jun 2004 08:14:36 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 3 Jun 2004 09:23:17 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:55:03 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)"
<eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com> wrote:
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTMURPH.
HTM
"Americans over all are 78 percent Christian, 1.3 percent Jewish, .5
percent
Moslem, .4 percent Hindu, 13 percent unknown or none and the rest
various
other sects and faiths. But the troops are 55 percent Christian, .3
percent
Moslem, .27 percent Jewish, .04 percent Hindu, .24 percent Buddhist and
34
percent unknown or no preference."
Did they compare the same demographic in the US population - between
18 - 30? Most people don't make the military a carerr, they sign up
for a term to pay for education or to get some experience and then go
on. Isn't there a tendency to become religous in your later years?
Well, what the yang boy's problem is that he missed the major point - ie,
we have an all
volunteer army.
Not something yang would think of.
Oh, look, another Christian too chicken to go join the Marines
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=yang++alt.atheism+duke+hell+no&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=5vki609f0ieglkd26debhtqmqjab4cqkrr%404ax.com&rnum=1
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -816 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
04 Jun 2004 01:00:02 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:36 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)" <eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com>
wrote:
Did they compare the same demographic in the US population - between
18 - 30? Most people don't make the military a carerr, they sign up
for a term to pay for education or to get some experience and then go
on. Isn't there a tendency to become religous in your later years?
Well, what the yang boy's problem is that he missed the major point - ie,
we have an all volunteer army.
Not something yang would think of.
Oh, look, another Christian too chicken to go join the Marines
I'm too old, yang boy. By your own words, you rather somebody else lose a leg than you.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
04 Jun 2004 04:02:43 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:00:02 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:36 -0700, "Yang, AthD \(h.c\)" <eacmole@//AWOLBUSH//mail.com>
wrote:
Well, what the yang boy's problem is that he missed the major point - ie,
we have an all volunteer army.
Not something yang would think of.
Oh, look, another Christian too chicken to go join the Marines
I'm too old, yang boy. By your own words, you rather somebody else lose a leg than you.
Relevance?
It is not cowardice, to wish to avoid suffering, or to wish to
survive, and it is perfectly natural to be afraid.
None of these things denote a coward.
While none of us, that I know of, would wish suffering on another, all
of us, who are honest with our selves, would look at *almost* any
injury, and think, "Rather him than me".
Your arguments are dishonest, if not the words, then the implication.
I joined the army as a volunteer. There was no chance of me being
called up, I was not a British subject.
I had no wish to get shot at, or take, what I considered to be,
unnecessary risks, and the Catering Corp, best fitted my needs.
I required citizenship, joining the army would give me that.
Unfortunately, the army decided, in it's infinite wisdom, that I had
certain natural aptitudes, and I wound up, a Sapper, Airborne, via the
infantry.
The first person that I saw killed, happened to be a friend.
We had been through training together, basic, para, and some of the
more specialised training that the army gives.
I had been to his home, on leave, met his family, and he had been with
me, to my girl friend's home, and met her family, the only family I
had/have.
When he got shot, the first thought that went through my mind was that
I was lucky, two more paces, and it would have been me.
Oh yea, I damn near ***** my self, literally.
Does that make me a coward?
Well it probably does, because it took me three years to bring my self
to visit his parents, and tell them what happened, and in all that
time, the only letter I wrote to them was the one to tell them that
he was dead.
Not the official one, that was the CO's job, a personal one.
I was afraid to face them, and like a coward, I told my self that
visiting them, and telling what had happened, would only make it more
painful for them, and used that as an excuse to avoid doing my duty as
a friend.
The truth was that I could not face them, the shame of knowing my own
thoughts at the time, was more than I could handle.
Like your army, such duties are voluntary, and I didn't rush to
volunteer.
If you have been there, you should know what I am talking about.
If you haven't been there, then you have no right to comment on
another man's courage, or lack of it.
If you have been there, and do not know what I am talking about, then
I pity you.
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
04 Jun 2004 05:22:14 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:02:43 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
I'm too old, yang boy. By your own words, you rather somebody else lose a leg than you.
Relevance?
Irrelevant.
It is not cowardice, to wish to avoid suffering, or to wish to
survive, and it is perfectly natural to be afraid.
Not when you profess it better somebody else lose a leg. That's cowardice.
None of these things denote a coward.
Yang IS a coward. He should join the marines and become a man.
While none of us, that I know of, would wish suffering on another,
Yet that's exactly what yang boy did.
all
of us, who are honest with our selves, would look at *almost* any
injury, and think, "Rather him than me".
Your arguments are dishonest, if not the words, then the implication.
Yang boy said them. Not me.
I joined the army as a volunteer. There was no chance of me being
called up, I was not a British subject.
Then you are a much better man than yang boy.
I had no wish to get shot at, or take, what I considered to be,
unnecessary risks, and the Catering Corp, best fitted my needs.
I required citizenship, joining the army would give me that.
Unfortunately, the army decided, in it's infinite wisdom, that I had
certain natural aptitudes, and I wound up, a Sapper, Airborne, via the
infantry.
The first person that I saw killed, happened to be a friend.
We had been through training together, basic, para, and some of the
more specialised training that the army gives.
I had been to his home, on leave, met his family, and he had been with
me, to my girl friend's home, and met her family, the only family I
had/have.
When he got shot, the first thought that went through my mind was that
I was lucky, two more paces, and it would have been me.
Oh yea, I damn near ***** my self, literally.
Does that make me a coward?
Sounds like you're a man. Not like yang boy.
Well it probably does, because it took me three years to bring my self
to visit his parents, and tell them what happened, and in all that
time, the only letter I wrote to them was the one to tell them that
he was dead.
Not the official one, that was the CO's job, a personal one.
I was afraid to face them, and like a coward, I told my self that
visiting them, and telling what had happened, would only make it more
painful for them, and used that as an excuse to avoid doing my duty as
a friend.
The truth was that I could not face them, the shame of knowing my own
thoughts at the time, was more than I could handle.
Like your army, such duties are voluntary, and I didn't rush to
volunteer.
If you have been there, you should know what I am talking about.
If you haven't been there, then you have no right to comment on
another man's courage, or lack of it.
If you have been there, and do not know what I am talking about, then
I pity you.
I understand fully.
Yang boy's the coward.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
04 Jun 2004 06:52:13 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:02:43 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
I'm too old, yang boy. By your own words, you rather somebody else lose
a leg than you.
Relevance?
Irrelevant.
It is not cowardice, to wish to avoid suffering, or to wish to
survive, and it is perfectly natural to be afraid.
Not when you profess it better somebody else lose a leg. That's
cowardice.
None of these things denote a coward.
Yang IS a coward. He should join the marines and become a man.
Earl is afraid to admit his real name, where he lives or where he went to
school.
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
05 Jun 2004 07:14:54 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:52:13 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang IS a coward. He should join the marines and become a man.
Earl is afraid to admit his real name, where he lives or where he went to
school.
Hey, mikey, why do you and yang boy not admit your real names, where you live and where
you went to school?
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
05 Jun 2004 10:51:41 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:52:13 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang IS a coward. He should join the marines and become a man.
Earl is afraid to admit his real name, where he lives or where he went
to
school.
Hey, mikey, why do you and yang boy not admit your real names, where you
live and where
you went to school?
My real name is Mike Painter, where I live is easily determnined in several
trivial ways including the way we determined where you live.
I graduated with a degree in computer science from CSUC Chico. That was a
gift from one of my profs as the department was not actually in place yet.
You've called me a lier for saying I attended CAtholic high school and
elementary school.
An additional support for your cowardness is that you are afraid to accept a
wager which would gain you a considerable sum of money if you had the
courage of your convictions (didn't *know* you were lieing).
I hold that information private in the vain hope that some day you will
admit you lied or put your money where your mouth is.
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
Not the point but you know that.
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| User: "Yang, AthD \h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
05 Jun 2004 02:16:15 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:52:13 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang IS a coward. He should join the marines and become a man.
Earl is afraid to admit his real name, where he lives or where he went
to
school.
Hey, mikey, why do you and yang boy not admit your real names, where you
live and where
you went to school?
My real name is Mike Painter, where I live is easily determnined in
several
trivial ways including the way we determined where you live.
I graduated with a degree in computer science from CSUC Chico. That was a
gift from one of my profs as the department was not actually in place yet.
You've called me a lier for saying I attended CAtholic high school and
elementary school.
That's because duke hates the Pope for saying that the war on Iraq is
illegal.
Yang
An additional support for your cowardness is that you are afraid to accept
a
wager which would gain you a considerable sum of money if you had the
courage of your convictions (didn't *know* you were lieing).
I hold that information private in the vain hope that some day you will
admit you lied or put your money where your mouth is.
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
Not the point but you know that.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
05 Jun 2004 05:38:31 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:51:41 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My real name is Mike Painter, where I live is easily determnined in several
trivial ways including the way we determined where you live.
I graduated with a degree in computer science from CSUC Chico. That was a
gift from one of my profs as the department was not actually in place yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, mikey - so why don't you admit to your real name, where you live, and
where you went to school?
You've called me a lier for saying I attended CAtholic high school and
elementary school.
No, I didn't call you a liar. You just don't demonstrate such a background.
An additional support for your cowardness is that you are afraid to accept a
wager which would gain you a considerable sum of money if you had the
courage of your convictions (didn't *know* you were lieing).
You won't discuss the wager details. How do we assemble the money, determine who's right,
who holds the money, etc.
I hold that information private in the vain hope that some day you will
admit you lied or put your money where your mouth is.
See what I mean. I guess your buddy, the pink unicorn, will take care of the details.
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
Not the point but you know that.
It's EXACTLY the point. And you hate it.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
05 Jun 2004 09:55:51 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:51:41 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My real name is Mike Painter, where I live is easily determnined in
several
trivial ways including the way we determined where you live.
I graduated with a degree in computer science from CSUC Chico. That was a
gift from one of my profs as the department was not actually in place
yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, mikey - so why don't you admit to your real name, where
you live, and
where you went to school?
You've called me a lier for saying I attended CAtholic high school and
elementary school.
No, I didn't call you a liar. You just don't demonstrate such a
background.
http://www.google.com/groups?q=catholic+school+group:alt.atheism+author:duke
&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=5qlea09ckpqva356kaqkccaoq5i093qghu%404ax.com&rnum=2
An additional support for your cowardness is that you are afraid to
accept a
wager which would gain you a considerable sum of money if you had the
courage of your convictions (didn't *know* you were lieing).
You won't discuss the wager details. How do we assemble the money,
determine who's right,
who holds the money, etc.
I did it several times. Your priest holds the money, he decides who is right
and when he tells me he has your certified check or cash available I give
him the information needed.
You are a coward.
I hold that information private in the vain hope that some day you will
admit you lied or put your money where your mouth is.
See what I mean. I guess your buddy, the pink unicorn, will take care of
the details.
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
Not the point but you know that.
It's EXACTLY the point. And you hate it.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
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06 Jun 2004 01:49:20 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:55:51 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My real name is Mike Painter, where I live is easily determnined in
several
trivial ways including the way we determined where you live.
I graduated with a degree in computer science from CSUC Chico. That was a
gift from one of my profs as the department was not actually in place
yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, mikey - so why don't you admit to your real name, where
you live, and where you went to school?
You won't discuss the wager details. How do we assemble the money,
determine who's right,
who holds the money, etc.
I did it several times. Your priest holds the money, he decides who is right
and when he tells me he has your certified check or cash available I give
him the information needed.
You are a coward.
How are you going to get your certified check to him? How are you going to certify your
info truth?
These questions will get really tough with time, mikey.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
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06 Jun 2004 05:43:48 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:55:51 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My real name is Mike Painter, where I live is easily determnined in
several
trivial ways including the way we determined where you live.
I graduated with a degree in computer science from CSUC Chico. That
was a
gift from one of my profs as the department was not actually in place
yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, mikey - so why don't you admit to your real name,
where
you live, and where you went to school?
You won't discuss the wager details. How do we assemble the money,
determine who's right,
who holds the money, etc.
I did it several times. Your priest holds the money, he decides who is
right
and when he tells me he has your certified check or cash available I give
him the information needed.
You are a coward.
How are you going to get your certified check to him? How are you going
to certify your
info truth?
These questions will get really tough with time, mikey.
Those are such hard questions.
I realize that the concept of the US mail is foreign to you but that is one
way. With the level of computer literacy you have demonstrated other easier
methods may be completely beyond you.
As for the second question, your lack of thought and trust is apparent.
I am *NOT* going to certify that the information is true. That is not my
job. Your priest would hold that responsibility. But you probably don't
really trust him either. Even if you did he would find out about what you do
here.
I expect you will never do anything but ask questions and deny, you are a
coward and know that I can verify what I said.
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| User: "duke" |
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07 Jun 2004 06:02:13 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:43:48 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
These questions will get really tough with time, mikey.
Those are such hard questions.
I realize that the concept of the US mail is foreign to you but that is one
way. With the level of computer literacy you have demonstrated other easier
methods may be completely beyond you.
Haahaahaahaahaa.
As for the second question, your lack of thought and trust is apparent.
I am *NOT* going to certify that the information is true. That is not my
job.
It was pretty obvious you were lying.
Your priest would hold that responsibility. But you probably don't
really trust him either. Even if you did he would find out about what you do
here.
Oh, nooo. You're going to certify accuracy and truth, and deliver it to him.
I expect you will never do anything but ask questions and deny, you are a
coward and know that I can verify what I said.
Not verify, certify.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
07 Jun 2004 02:59:08 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:43:48 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
These questions will get really tough with time, mikey.
Those are such hard questions.
I realize that the concept of the US mail is foreign to you but that is
one
way. With the level of computer literacy you have demonstrated other
easier
methods may be completely beyond you.
Haahaahaahaahaa.
As for the second question, your lack of thought and trust is apparent.
I am *NOT* going to certify that the information is true. That is not my
job.
It was pretty obvious you were lying.
Your priest would hold that responsibility. But you probably don't
really trust him either. Even if you did he would find out about what you
do
here.
Oh, nooo. You're going to certify accuracy and truth, and deliver it to
him.
I see, so if I send certified information to the priest you will accept it
unconditionally?
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
06 Jun 2004 07:40:33 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<3ip6c09sn37rn1vijkiat2cakk0jm2rmg6@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 02:55:51 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My real name is Mike Painter, where I live is easily determnined in
several
trivial ways including the way we determined where you live.
I graduated with a degree in computer science from CSUC Chico. That was a
gift from one of my profs as the department was not actually in place
yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, mikey - so why don't you admit to your real name, where
you live, and where you went to school?
You won't discuss the wager details. How do we assemble the money,
determine who's right,
who holds the money, etc.
I did it several times. Your priest holds the money, he decides who is right
and when he tells me he has your certified check or cash available I give
him the information needed.
You are a coward.
How are you going to get your certified check to him?
Ever heard of "certified mail"?
How are you going to certify your info truth?
Ever heard of "reference books"?
These questions will get really tough with time, mikey.
Then quit being cowardly and take him up on the offer. Show the world
just how tough you are.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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05 Jun 2004 03:21:58 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 07:14:54 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:52:13 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Yang IS a coward. He should join the marines and become a man.
Earl is afraid to admit his real name, where he lives or where he went to
school.
Hey, mikey, why do you and yang boy not admit your real names, where you live and where
you went to school?
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
As in all things, you presumably have some evidence to support your
assertion.
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
06 Jun 2004 01:50:00 PM |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:21:58 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
As in all things, you presumably have some evidence to support your
assertion.
I'll let you offer it up.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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07 Jun 2004 08:24:33 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:50:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:21:58 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
As in all things, you presumably have some evidence to support your
assertion.
I'll let you offer it up.
That is another "no" then. Not really surprising.
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
07 Jun 2004 03:00:34 PM |
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"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:50:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:21:58 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
As in all things, you presumably have some evidence to support your
assertion.
I'll let you offer it up.
That is another "no" then. Not really surprising.
Puck Greenman
Earl wants you to offer up Earl's "proof" of god. Howe clever of him.
I do have a copy of the silly thing but since it is more than a sentence
long I suspect it was plagiarized.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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08 Jun 2004 01:07:53 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:00:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Puck Greenman" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
news:o2r8c09g52am9fil19gnr6tv2po3pb33h5@4ax.com...
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 13:50:00 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:21:58 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
Worse yet he rarely admits error, even when all show him wrong.
Why should I admit a mistake when I'm not mistaken?
As in all things, you presumably have some evidence to support your
assertion.
I'll let you offer it up.
That is another "no" then. Not really surprising.
Puck Greenman
Earl wants you to offer up Earl's "proof" of god. Howe clever of him.
I do have a copy of the silly thing but since it is more than a sentence
long I suspect it was plagiarized.
It wasn't a document that anybody was likely to admit to, the make
accusation of plagiarism, so he is probably safe.
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "duke" |
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08 Jun 2004 05:30:34 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:00:34 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That is another "no" then. Not really surprising.
Puck Greenman
Earl wants you to offer up Earl's "proof" of god. Howe clever of him.
I've already given it to him, you, and the ng.
I do have a copy of the silly thing but since it is more than a sentence
long I suspect it was plagiarized.
Every word is mine, mikey, mine.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
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09 Jun 2004 07:48:50 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:30:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
Every word is mine, mikey, mine.
Are you sure that you really want to brag about that?
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "duke" |
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10 Jun 2004 04:36:41 AM |
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:48:50 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Every word is mine, mikey, mine.
Are you sure that you really want to brag about that?
Absolutely yes. It's not only very accurate, truthful, and based on fact, but I'm the
only one to offer evidence for my beliefs.
You junior atheists have never offer a single word to support your beliefs.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
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| Title: Re: Why is duke Such a Coward? (Re: Study: Christians Way Underepresented in the US Army (There Are No Christians In the Foxhole?)) |
10 Jun 2004 03:40:41 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:48:50 +0100, Puck Greenman <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
Every word is mine, mikey, mine.
Are you sure that you really want to brag about that?
Absolutely yes. It's not only very accurate, truthful, and based on fact,
but I'm the
only one to offer evidence for my beliefs.
You junior atheists have never offer a single word to support your
beliefs.
Earl claims to be an engineer.
To someone not trained as such a statement that claims the lungs are "an
oxygen transfer system " might just be based on ignorance. Usually a person
would correct and admit to their error.
Earl does not do this and as an "engineer" should know the difference
between a transfer system and an exchange system. As an alleged university
graduate (but he fears giving out the name of the institution because of
what I might do.) he should be aware that "The lungs are not an oxygen
transfer system, they are a gas exchange system. The blood does the
transfer. If they just exchanged oxygen life would not exist as we know it.
They exchange all gasses, which is an example of crappy design. They should
just exchange CO2 and O2 blocking the rest."
By now he should also be aware of the difference between opinion and
evidence.
So he lies every time he says he does not lie.
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| User: "duke" |
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12 Jun 2004 07:53:21 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:40:41 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You junior atheists have never offer a single word to support your
beliefs.
Earl claims to be an engineer.
I am an engineer, mikey.
To someone not trained as such a statement that claims the lungs are "an
oxygen transfer system " might just be based on ignorance. Usually a person
would correct and admit to their error.
Now mikey, you need to think outside the box. A system is defined as any interaction of 2
or more things. In this case, we have 3 - air, blood, and the method of transfer. Of
course there are other items in there, but you get the point.
Earl does not do this and as an "engineer" should know the difference
between a transfer system and an exchange system. As an alleged university
graduate (but he fears giving out the name of the institution because of
what I might do.) he should be aware that "The lungs are not an oxygen
transfer system, they are a gas exchange system.
Ah, the immature's need for perfection in verbiage. Mikey can't possibly understand.
The blood does the transfer.
??? The blood transfers the oxygen to the .........what? The body parts of course. But
what are you talking about?
If they just exchanged oxygen life would not exist as we know it.
They exchange all gasses, which is an example of crappy design. They should
just exchange CO2 and O2 blocking the rest."
Hey, you are an emt trainee wannabe. Are you saying that all gases in the air do not play
a part in life.
By now he should also be aware of the difference between opinion and
evidence.
Yet I'm the one that does. Facts produce evidence that commits opinion.
So he lies every time he says he does not lie.
Never lied so much as one time on the ng, mikey.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
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