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.....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be an
allie.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat2516.html
Beijing, China (LifeNews.com) -- A new study has confirmed what observers of
China's family planning policies have suspected for years. By forcing women
to have abortions, sterilizing them and targeting them and their families
for persecution has caused a severe gender imbalance that's resulted in
sexually exploiting women, higher crimes and other social concerns.
Conducted by Qu Jian Ding of the Institute of Population Studies at Zhejiang
University and Therese Hesketh of London's Institute of Child Health, the
study finds men in the Asian nation overwhelmingly outnumber women.
The pair relied on data from 40,000 women and found that the birth rate
dropped from 2.9 children before China enacted its one-child family planning
policy in 1979.
The study found women above the age of 35 have 1.94 children and women under
the age of 35 have 1.73 children. Both rates are below replacement level for
a nation to sustain its population.
According to a Reuters report, the pair's study found that the male-female
gender imbalance moved from 1.11 in 1980-89 to 1.23 in 1996-2001.
The findings also confirm that sex-selection abortions and infanticides have
been used to generate boy babies since Chinese culture, especially in rural
areas, favors boys over girls.
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21 Aug 2006 12:57:38 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman".
Who favoirs abortion, pro-liar?
The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman.
You want to see women dead.
I don't.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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21 Aug 2006 05:45:09 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ANWdnd_p2uav33TZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com...
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be
an
allie.
When did China clain that their one child policy was 'pro woman'? The whole
sorry mess led to all sorts of social peculiarities, the imbalance of the
sexes being only one. The policy was introduced to reduce the number of
children growing up in poverty, and to reduce the population to something
closer to that which the economy could support. Of course, with China's
sudden emergence as an economic superpower, this has meant a shortage of
skills, and an influx of foreign workers and foreign ideas. But never was it
suggested that the policy had anything to do with China's administration
being 'pro woman'.
The policy ran long enough for families to have grandparents but no aunts
and uncles, no cousins. It also led to some of the most cosseted and spoilt
children on this planet, with many of them being treated like royalty by
doting parents.
The result has been more than one generation of young adults who had never
been refused anything in their lives suddenly coming into the workplace and
finding reality was a little harsher than home life.
HTH
R
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21 Aug 2006 04:43:23 AM |
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a =E9crit :
....and yet those who favor abortion
No one "favors abortion". We favor letting the people decide for
themselves. Hence the espression "pro-choice"...
have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman.
Are you comparing China with the Western world?
Killing baby
Abortion isn't killing babies.
girls by the millions does not qualify one to be an
allie.
http://www.lifenews.com/nat2516.html
Beijing, China (LifeNews.com) -- A new study has confirmed what observers=
of
China's family planning policies have suspected for years. By forcing wom=
en
to have abortions, sterilizing them and targeting them and their families
for persecution has caused a severe gender imbalance that's resulted in
sexually exploiting women, higher crimes and other social concerns.
Conducted by Qu Jian Ding of the Institute of Population Studies at Zheji=
ang
University and Therese Hesketh of London's Institute of Child Health, the
study finds men in the Asian nation overwhelmingly outnumber women.
The pair relied on data from 40,000 women and found that the birth rate
dropped from 2.9 children before China enacted its one-child family plann=
ing
policy in 1979.
The study found women above the age of 35 have 1.94 children and women un=
der
the age of 35 have 1.73 children. Both rates are below replacement level =
for
a nation to sustain its population.
According to a Reuters report, the pair's study found that the male-female
gender imbalance moved from 1.11 in 1980-89 to 1.23 in 1996-2001.
The findings also confirm that sex-selection abortions and infanticides h=
ave
been used to generate boy babies since Chinese culture, especially in rur=
al
areas, favors boys over girls.
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21 Aug 2006 04:19:34 AM |
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wrote:
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be an
allie.
So the Chinese are bad and the Koreans good because more than
half of Koreans are xians? Never mind the fact that they are
aborting female feotuses at the same rate...oh, nononononono!
infantileopinion can never be forced to address the facts, that
would be blasphemy!
http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/rites/korea.htm
There are at least 113 men for every 100 women in Korea,
one of the highest gender imbalances in the world which,
according to sociologists has profound social implications.
A shortage of wives perhaps is the most obvious of these,
but more alarming is the willingness of many Korean women
to abort female fetuses in pursuit of a son.
http://www.thegully.com/essays/asia/031030_korea_gender_lgbt.html
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/kjabo.html
More than half of Korean wives have experienced an abortion
and about one third have had two or more according to
surveys. The abortion rate among young married and single
women is accelerating sharply in very recent years as well.
Regular abortion seems to have become accepted cultural
behavior in modern Korea.
World Health Organization Regional Office for the Western Pacific
http://www.wpro.who.int/internet/files/pub/360/283.pdf
Three Key Gains in Women's Health:
1. Improvement in the imbalance of sex ratio at birth from
118.4 in 1993 to 108.4 in 1997.
Bob Dog
-----
"Our religion is Christ, our politics Fatherland!"
- Hans Schemm, Bavarian Minister
of Education and Culture (1930s)
"Professor Telhami's accurate depiction of America's non-credibility
in the Muslim world encapsulates the consequences of a half century
of U.S. Middle Eastern policy that moved America from being the
much admired champion of liberty and self-government to the hated
and feared advocate of a new imperial order, one that has much the
same characteristics as nineteenth-century European imperialism:
military garrisons; economic penetration and control; support for
leaders, no matter how brutal and undemocratic, as long as they
obey the imperial power; and the exploitation and depletion of
natural resources."
- Anonymous, "Imperial Hubris" (2004)
"The conservative magazine 'Insight' says the president overruled
Secretary of State Rice's plea to position the U.S. as a mediator,
or at least a damper, in the Middle East crisis, and claiming also
a State Department source said, quote, 'One Jewish friend of Bush
actually called up a senior Israeli official and began yelling,
'What the hell's going on here? Are you going to fight, or
what?'"
- NBC's "Countdown", August 9, 2006
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| User: "Mike" |
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21 Aug 2006 04:28:33 AM |
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wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be an
allie.
So the Chinese are bad and the Koreans good because more than
half of Koreans are xians? Never mind the fact that they are
aborting female feotuses at the same rate...oh, nononononono!
infantileopinion can never be forced to address the facts, that
would be blasphemy!
http://www.dhushara.com/book/orsin/rites/korea.htm
There are at least 113 men for every 100 women in Korea,
one of the highest gender imbalances in the world which,
according to sociologists has profound social implications.
A shortage of wives perhaps is the most obvious of these,
but more alarming is the willingness of many Korean women
to abort female fetuses in pursuit of a son.
http://www.thegully.com/essays/asia/031030_korea_gender_lgbt.html
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/kjabo.html
More than half of Korean wives have experienced an abortion
and about one third have had two or more according to
surveys. The abortion rate among young married and single
women is accelerating sharply in very recent years as well.
Regular abortion seems to have become accepted cultural
behavior in modern Korea.
World Health Organization Regional Office for the Western Pacific
http://www.wpro.who.int/internet/files/pub/360/283.pdf
Three Key Gains in Women's Health:
1. Improvement in the imbalance of sex ratio at birth from
118.4 in 1993 to 108.4 in 1997.
Our brother-in-Christ youngpenis is deliberately conflating two issues.
1) Is abortion morally OK in general and 2) Is abortion going to
cause problems in cultures with a powerful preference for male children
by creating a gender imbalance. Besides China and Korea, India is
having a big problem too. One solution is to try to reduce the need
for abortion by improving access to and cultural inclination to use
birth control. But youngpenis doubtless doesn't like birth control
since a certain guy in the Vatican who wears a very silly hat tells him
what to think.
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| User: "" |
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22 Aug 2006 04:25:56 PM |
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Mike wrote:
Our brother-in-Christ youngpenis is deliberately conflating two issues.
1) Is abortion morally OK in general and 2) Is abortion going to
cause problems in cultures with a powerful preference for male children
by creating a gender imbalance. Besides China and Korea, India is
having a big problem too. One solution is to try to reduce the need
for abortion by improving access to and cultural inclination to use
birth control. But youngpenis doubtless doesn't like birth control
since a certain guy in the Vatican who wears a very silly hat tells him
what to think.
I deliberately mentioned Korea but not India, even though I knew
about the problem, because India aborts females for a different
reason: illegal dowries. Both China and Korea are confucianist
and "think" males are better.
Japan is also confucianist, but they have a superstition about
the "souls" of aborted feotuses turning into tormented ghosts,
wandering the Earth looking for their mothers. (Despite Japan's
casualness about sex, they have a low teen pregnancy rate.)
Koreans believe the same superstition as the Japanese, but they
have the abortions anyway.
http://www.unicef.org/pon96/inbirth.htm
http://www.teenpregnancy.org/whycare/sowhat.asp
The U.S. still leads the fully industrialized world in teen
pregnancy and birth rates...more than ten times that of
Japan.
Isn't it funny that the non-xian Japanese have a lower abortion
rate than most all industrialized "xian" countries, and "godless
and atheistic" Netherlands has the lowest abortion rate?
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922117.html
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
-----
"Our religion is Christ, our politics Fatherland!"
- Hans Schemm, Bavarian Minister
of Education and Culture (1930s)
"Professor Telhami's accurate depiction of America's non-credibility
in the Muslim world encapsulates the consequences of a half century
of U.S. Middle Eastern policy that moved America from being the
much admired champion of liberty and self-government to the hated
and feared advocate of a new imperial order, one that has much the
same characteristics as nineteenth-century European imperialism:
military garrisons; economic penetration and control; support for
leaders, no matter how brutal and undemocratic, as long as they
obey the imperial power; and the exploitation and depletion of
natural resources."
- Anonymous, "Imperial Hubris" (2004)
"The conservative magazine 'Insight' says the president overruled
Secretary of State Rice's plea to position the U.S. as a mediator,
or at least a damper, in the Middle East crisis, and claiming also
a State Department source said, quote, 'One Jewish friend of Bush
actually called up a senior Israeli official and began yelling,
'What the hell's going on here? Are you going to fight, or
what?'"
- NBC's "Countdown", August 9, 2006
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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21 Aug 2006 09:25:22 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:17:18 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be an
allie.
No one has suggested replicating the Chinese policy of Forced
Abortions.
But the outcome of aborting girls has been to make them More valuable
than boys in the long run. Think on it and you'll see why.
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21 Aug 2006 10:05:45 AM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:17:18 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and
isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be
an
allie.
No one has suggested replicating the Chinese policy of Forced
Abortions.
But the outcome of aborting girls has been to make them More valuable
than boys in the long run. Think on it and you'll see why.
Which in China would be a good thing given the historic place of women in
that society.
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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21 Aug 2006 10:06:59 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:05:45 -0700, "Baxter"
<lbax02.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote:
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
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But the outcome of aborting girls has been to make them More valuable
than boys in the long run. Think on it and you'll see why.
Which in China would be a good thing given the historic place of women in
that society.
Things change. The results of that outcome have yet to play out. But
it's coming closer.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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21 Aug 2006 02:39:23 PM |
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Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
The results of that outcome have yet to play out.
Read that again Sam. This time for, well, Prof. Corey ...
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22 Aug 2006 05:57:46 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:17:18 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be an
allie.
No one has suggested replicating the Chinese policy of Forced
Abortions.
If you've forgotten or never heard, Shrub *increased* the number
of forced abortions in China by cutting the budget of a UN sex
education program because it wouldn't promote abstinence.
http://www.nrlc.org/news/2005/NRL10/ChinaCrimes.html
But the outcome of aborting girls has been to make them More valuable
than boys in the long run. Think on it and you'll see why.
Given that the countries in question already have a preference
for males, the unnatural gender ratio could make things worse.
Abuse and controlling behaviours (women becomeing chattel again)
are quite possible. In some cases, mail-order and foreign
brides might be used to alleviate the problem, and prostitution
could become a bigger problem despite the shortage of women.
http://www.armory.com/~leavitt/women.html
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/asia_pacific/vietnam.html
http://www.7days.ae/2005/05/05/wanted-mail-order-brides-for-koreans.html
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
-----
"Our religion is Christ, our politics Fatherland!"
- Hans Schemm, Bavarian Minister
of Education and Culture (1930s)
"Professor Telhami's accurate depiction of America's non-credibility
in the Muslim world encapsulates the consequences of a half century
of U.S. Middle Eastern policy that moved America from being the
much admired champion of liberty and self-government to the hated
and feared advocate of a new imperial order, one that has much the
same characteristics as nineteenth-century European imperialism:
military garrisons; economic penetration and control; support for
leaders, no matter how brutal and undemocratic, as long as they
obey the imperial power; and the exploitation and depletion of
natural resources."
- Anonymous, "Imperial Hubris" (2004)
"The conservative magazine 'Insight' says the president overruled
Secretary of State Rice's plea to position the U.S. as a mediator,
or at least a damper, in the Middle East crisis, and claiming also
a State Department source said, quote, 'One Jewish friend of Bush
actually called up a senior Israeli official and began yelling,
'What the hell's going on here? Are you going to fight, or
what?'"
- NBC's "Countdown", August 9, 2006
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22 Aug 2006 08:56:02 PM |
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wrote:
If you've forgotten or never heard, Shrub *increased* the number
of forced abortions in China by cutting the budget of a UN sex
education program because it wouldn't promote abstinence.
China needed the UN for sex education?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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22 Aug 2006 09:48:45 PM |
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Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
If you've forgotten or never heard, Shrub *increased* the number
of forced abortions in China by cutting the budget of a UN sex
education program because it wouldn't promote abstinence.
China needed the UN for sex education?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you Beavis or Butthead?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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23 Aug 2006 03:54:54 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
If you've forgotten or never heard, Shrub *increased* the number
of forced abortions in China by cutting the budget of a UN sex
education program because it wouldn't promote abstinence.
China needed the UN for sex education?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you Beavis or Butthead?
Oh, Ray! Are you still wandering around shitting in your mess kit?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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23 Aug 2006 12:26:28 PM |
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Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
If you've forgotten or never heard, Shrub *increased* the number
of forced abortions in China by cutting the budget of a UN sex
education program because it wouldn't promote abstinence.
China needed the UN for sex education?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you Beavis or Butthead?
Oh, Ray! Are you still wandering around shitting in your mess kit?
Butthead it is, then.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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23 Aug 2006 03:02:59 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com wrote:
If you've forgotten or never heard, Shrub *increased* the number
of forced abortions in China by cutting the budget of a UN sex
education program because it wouldn't promote abstinence.
China needed the UN for sex education?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you Beavis or Butthead?
Oh, Ray! Are you still wandering around shitting in your mess kit?
Butthead it is, then.
You do know you gotta eat out of that, right?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Aug 2006 06:47:39 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:17:18 -0400, youngopinions wrote:
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman". The evidence is plain for all to see who exactly is and isn't
pro-woman. Killing baby girls by the millions does not qualify one to be an
allie.
Well, tell Bush that.
By the way, China *forces people. That's quite different from allowing
choice.
Dimwit.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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21 Aug 2006 08:52:34 AM |
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Woman-hating loon <> wrote in message
news:ANWdnd_p2uav33TZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@giganews.com...
....and yet those who favor abortion have the audacity to call themselves
"pro-woman".
<snip BS>
So....since you hate woman, you must be "pro-abortion"?:
"At the risk of tarnishing my reputation as an egalitarian, I state
unequivocally; women are an absolute terror on the road and should be
banned from driving in metropolitan areas."
From: (J Young)
Message-ID: <9c2d0f9a.0409192026.24f0cc96@posting.google.com>
"typically airheaded,female opinions... a woman with some common sense;a
very rare commodity indeed."
From: (Jon Young)
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.0404130836.f6fa868@posting.google.com>
"I didn't mean all women were sluts, just the ones who dismiss
abstinence as the most effective method to prevent unwanted pregnancies
and STD's."
From: "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1103695184.184146.108650@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
LC~ Thinks it's clear why "J" spends his weekend evenings doing nothing but
trolling.
"There is no better measure of a person than what he does when he is
absolutely free to choose."~ Wilma Askinas
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