Religions > Atheism > Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to Sexually Abuse Students
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Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to Sexually Abuse Students |
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101505.html
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
SALT LAKE CITY, October 15, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A male
homosexual was the teacher most apt to have sex with his pupils in a
study encompassing 7 countries. Overall, 43% of teachers who made the
news for having sex with their pupils over the last 27 years engaged
in homosexuality. Homosexual teachers violated 1,925 (56%) of the
3,457 pupil-victims. Women were 11% of perpetrators, but a
heterosexual female teacher was least apt to have sex with pupils.
Sexual abuse incidents are frequently kept hidden by victims out of
fear and shame and so the actual numbers of such teacher abusers are
likely substantially greater.
Lexis-Nexis was searched from 1980 through 2006 uncovering 902
teachers who were known to have had sex with pupils. Teachers who
engaged in homosexuality constituted 63% of perpetrators in Ireland,
62% in New Zealand, 60% in Canada, 54% in Scotland, 48% in Australia,
47% in England, and 35% in the U.S. The figures are especially
significant given that homosexuals at any one time make up only a tiny
3%-5% of the population.
"Astounding," said Dr. Paul Cameron of the Family Research Institute,
a Colorado Springs think-tank, who conducted the investigation:
"Similar results have been reported in U.S. studies from 1978 through
1996."
Prior studies included two polls of superintendents (homosexuals were
27% and 29% of perpetrators), convictions in 10 states (homosexuals
were 32% of perpetrators), a poll of principals (35% of complaints
were about homosexual teachers), and adults reporting on their
experiences as students (23% of reports involved homosexuality). It's
unusual to get such consistency from method-to-method, much less
country-to-country."
Most (54% of 810 male, 83% of 92 female) teachers violated only
opposite sex pupils, and 1,889 (55%) of the 3,457 victims were boys.
The study was published in the new, free-access, on- line, peer-
reviewed Empirical Journal of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior.
See the full study online here:
http://www.ejssb.org/6.html
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bigots Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to Sexually Abuse Students |
16 Oct 2007 01:16:55 AM |
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J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
That you're a lying nazi turd?
No, nobody is surprized.
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
That's another bigoted lie.
Lexis-Nexis was searched from 1980 through 2006 uncovering 902
Nexis doesn't do crime statistics. They record news stories.
News stories are not an unbiased sample.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 Oct 2007 03:41:54 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2007 06:16:55 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
That you're a lying nazi turd?
No, nobody is surprized.
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
That's another bigoted lie.
Lexis-Nexis was searched from 1980 through 2006 uncovering 902
Nexis doesn't do crime statistics. They record news stories.
News stories are not an unbiased sample.
Do you not still owe me both an apaolgy, and a retraction?
I must have missed it.
For your libel in:
Message-ID: <470e1e00$0$14119$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
And another, which I could retreive should you wish to argue the
point.
What about it?
Aren't you man enough to admit that you made an error in attribution?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Bigots Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to Sexually Abuse Students |
16 Oct 2007 11:41:36 AM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 16 Oct 2007 06:16:55 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
That you're a lying nazi turd?
No, nobody is surprized.
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
That's another bigoted lie.
Lexis-Nexis was searched from 1980 through 2006 uncovering 902
Nexis doesn't do crime statistics. They record news stories.
News stories are not an unbiased sample.
Do you not still owe me both an apaolgy, and a retraction?
***** off, whiner.
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Ray Fischer
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 Oct 2007 09:05:13 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2007 16:41:36 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 16 Oct 2007 06:16:55 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
J Young <younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
That you're a lying nazi turd?
No, nobody is surprized.
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
That's another bigoted lie.
Lexis-Nexis was searched from 1980 through 2006 uncovering 902
Nexis doesn't do crime statistics. They record news stories.
News stories are not an unbiased sample.
Do you not still owe me both an apaolgy, and a retraction?
***** off, whiner.
*plonk*
Into the bozo bin marked "Libelleous Liars who are not man enough to
retract and apologize" you go.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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16 Oct 2007 10:21:36 PM |
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J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
See the full study online here:http://www.ejssb.org/6.html
I've read better written and better documented freshman research
papers.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Oct 2007 12:27:12 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:21:36 -0700, Spartakus <spartakus@my-deja.com>
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J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
See the full study online here:http://www.ejssb.org/6.html
I've read better written and better documented freshman research
papers.
What do you expect from someone who was thrown out of the American
Psychological Assn, condemned by the American Sociological Assn for a
violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists.
The Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating
that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and
interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron
in his writings and public statements on sexuality."
The American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which
asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and
misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and
lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned
for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men,
substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation
of this research." At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially
accepted the committee's report and passed the following resolution:
"The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states
that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent
misrepresentation of sociological research."
In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the
U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement
that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident
than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has
himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has
been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron"
Just the kind of "source" that Jon loves - not only one that agrees
with him, but one that's a total fraud.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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16 Oct 2007 01:01:31 AM |
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On 16 oct, 07:03, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
It's late at night, time to go to bed. What is J Young thinking about?
Homosexuality and sexual aggression.
What's wrong with you, sack of *****?
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101505.html
Oh, the usual "fair and balanced" source...
And something I found about your "study", Mr. closet gay:
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=65621
1. ejssb has only 1 "study" published. The one this articel
references. This does not speak well for it as a solid, reputable
source. Hell, the author of this "study" sits on the "editorial and
Scientific Review Board" of the "journal"
2. The "study" itself uses unscientific jargon and phrases like ", an
Australian commission uncovered scores of teachers who" which further
dims my opinion of the author and his conclusions. The "study" reads
like an undergrad report and frequently uses specific individual cases
to "strengthen" a point rather than looking at broad statistical data.
3. The "study" comes out of nowhere and states ". If it is assumed
that about a third of teachers are male and that about 5% of teachers
engage in same-sex sex each study reported that a teacher who engaged
in homosexual sex was more apt to have sex with pupils - with a male
homosexual practitioner the most and a female heterosexual the least.
"
WHich isn't supported by statistics, definations on what constitues
labeling someone as homosexual, whether we are talking about primary
or secondary education, etc.
3. In the way that the "study" is laid out, it appears that the author
held a preconcieved idea about his results and then went about cherry-
picking data to make it fit that idea. He eventually defines
"homosexual" and his definition is so loose as to include anyone has
ever had a same-sex encounter. Just once is enough to brand the
perpetrator "homosexual" according to the definition given.
4. I highly question the collection methodology that lead to the data
summary that in the US between 1980-2006 there were only 43
"heterosexual" female perpetrators of abuse of male students. The news
stories of a female teacher getting it on with a male student hit
ShortNews more frequently than that...
5. The "peer review" was hardly that. Two names given, no first
initial so they can't even be verified as being actual accredited
peers: "Lehrman, Freeberg"
All in all, total and utter junk science. In a nut shell, this "study"
was someone with a preconcieved idea that used a search engine to
cheery pick data to suit his needs, then created a journal to publish
his "study" where in he sits on the "scientific" review board!
As for this "Paul Cameron" mentioned in the article:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html
Paul Drummond Cameron was born November 9, 1939, in Pittsburgh (PA).
He received his BA from Los Angeles Pacific College in 1961; his MA
from California State University, Los Angeles, in 1962; and his PhD
from the University of Colorado in 1966. His dissertation was titled
Age as a determinant of differences in non-intellective psychological
functioning.1
He was affiliated with various colleges and universities until 1980.
They include Wayne State University (1967-68), University of
Louisville (1970-73), Fuller Graduate School of Psychology [part of
the Fuller Theological Seminary] (1976-79), and the University of
Nebraska (1979-80).
On his curriculum vitae, he describes himself as a "Researcher/
Clinician." According to the web site of the Nebraska Department of
HHS Regulation and Licensure, his license as a Psychologist has been
"inactive" since 1995.
He is chairman of the Family Research Institute, PO Box 62640,
Colorado Springs, CO, 80962-2640. Telephone: (303) 681-3113. Fax:
(303) 681-3427. E-mail:
In the mid-1980s, the gay press labeled Paul Cameron "the most
dangerous antigay voice in the United States today."2,3,4 Here are
some important facts about him.
On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul
Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from
membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological
Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron
(Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble
to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of
Directors.5 Cameron has posted an elaborate argument about his
expulsion from APA on his website, claiming that he resigned from APA
before he was dropped from membership. Like most organizations,
however, APA does not allow a member to resign when they are being
investigated. And even if Cameron's claims were accepted as true, it
would be remarkable that the largest professional organization of
psychologists in the United States (and other professional
associations, as noted below) went to such lengths to disassociate
itself from one individual.
At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska
Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it
"formally disassociates itself from the representations and
interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron
in his writings and public statements on sexuality."6
In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a
resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently
misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality,
homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has
repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of
lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his
distorted interpretation of this research."7 The resolution formally
charged an ASA committee with the task of "critically evaluating and
publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron."
At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the
committee's report and passed the following resolution:
The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states
that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent
misrepresentation of sociological research. Information on this action
and a copy of the report by the Committee on the Status of Homosexuals
in Sociology, "The Paul Cameron Case," is to be published in
Footnotes, and be sent to the officers of all regional and state
sociological associations and to the Canadian Sociological Association
with a request that they alert their members to Cameron's frequent
lecture and media appearances."8
Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his
written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S.
District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that
'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than
do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself
made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no
fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536).9
Footnotes
1Biographical information obtained from various sources, including
Cameron's curriculum vitae, Who's Who in the West, 26th Edition, 25th
Edition; Who's Who in America, 52nd Edition, 51st Edition, 50th
Edition. (return to text)
2Walter, D. (1985, October 29). Paul Cameron. The Advocate, pp. 28-33.
(return to text)
3Fettner, A.G. (1985, September 23). The evil that men do. New York
Native, pp. 23-24. (return to text)
4Pietrzyk, M.E. (1994, October 3). Queer science: Paul Cameron,
professional sham. The New Republic, pp. 10-12. (return to text)
5Notice: Persons dropped from membership in the American Psychological
Association. (1984). Internal communication from APA to all members.
(return to text)
6The full NPA resolution read as follows:
The science and profession of psychology in Nebraska as represented by
the Nebraska Psychological Association, formally dissociates itself
from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature
offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on
sexuality. Further, the Nebraska Psychological Association would like
it known that Dr. Cameron is not a member of the Association. Dr.
Cameron was recently dropped from membership in the American
Psychological Association for a violation of the Preamble to the
Ethical Principles of Psychologists.
[Nebraska Psychological Association. (1984, October 19). Resolution.
Minutes of the Nebraska Psychological Association. Omaha, Nebraska:
Author.] (return to text)
7A copy of the full ASA resolution in Acrobat PDF format can be
downloaded. It read as follows:
WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron, a psychologist, was dropped from membership
in The American Psychological Association for violation of the
Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists;
WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron has been presented in the media as a
sociologist;
WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and
misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and
lesbianism;
WHEREAS Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation
of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call
on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research;
WHEREAS the American Sociological Association is on record as opposing
oppressive actions against lesbians and gay men and affirming its
commitment to their civil rights;
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: THAT the Association reaffirms its
opposition to efforts to undermine the civil rights of lesbians and
gay men through the distortion of sociological concepts and the
falsifying of sociological research; and
THAT the Association articulates this opposition by charging the
Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in Sociology with the task of
critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul
Cameron.
[Sociology group criticizes work of Paul Cameron. (1985, September
10). Lincoln (NE) Star.] (return to text)
8 The final resolution and the committee report were published in ASA
Footnotes, February, 1987, page 14. Available from the American
Sociological Association, Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in
Sociology, 1722 N Street, NW, Washington DC 20036. (202) 833-3410.
(return to text)
9On page 536 of his opinion, Judge Buchmeyer noted the following
examples of misrepresentations by Cameron to the Court:
"(i) his sworn statement that "homosexuals are approximately 43 times
more apt to commit crimes than is the general population" is a total
distortion of the Kinsey data upon which he relies - which, as is
obvious to anyone who reads the report, concerns data from a non-
representative sample of delinquent homosexuals (and Dr. Cameron
compares this group to college and non-college heterosexuals);
(ii) his sworn statement that "homosexuals abuse children at a
proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals" is based upon
the same distorted data - and, the Court notes, is directly contrary
to other evidence presented at trial besides the testimony of Dr.
Simon and Dr. Marmour. (553 F. Supp. 1121 at 1130 n.18.)"
Case closed.
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16 Oct 2007 03:19:30 AM |
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On Oct 16, 12:01 am, wrote:
On 16 oct, 07:03, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
It's late at night, time to go to bed. What is J Young thinking about?
Homosexuality and sexual aggression.
What's wrong with you, sack of *****?
It must take amazing intellect to come up with this!
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101505.html
Oh, the usual "fair and balanced" source...
And something I found about your "study", Mr. closet gay:
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=65621
1. ejssb has only 1 "study" published. The one this articel
references. This does not speak well for it as a solid, reputable
source. Hell, the author of this "study" sits on the "editorial and
Scientific Review Board" of the "journal"
2. The "study" itself uses unscientific jargon and phrases like ", an
Australian commission uncovered scores of teachers who" which further
dims my opinion of the author and his conclusions. The "study" reads
like an undergrad report and frequently uses specific individual cases
to "strengthen" a point rather than looking at broad statistical data.
Neither is a valid criticism. The study was not original research; if
its
methods of gathering data were sound, then its results are.
3. The "study" comes out of nowhere and states ". If it is assumed
that about a third of teachers are male and that about 5% of teachers
engage in same-sex sex each study reported that a teacher who engaged
in homosexual sex was more apt to have sex with pupils - with a male
homosexual practitioner the most and a female heterosexual the least.
"
WHich isn't supported by statistics, definations on what constitues
labeling someone as homosexual, whether we are talking about primary
or secondary education, etc.
Even if they could have been more specific, theit number is still
vastly higher
than the proportion of homosexuals in the populations, which is what
they
aim to demonstrate.
3. In the way that the "study" is laid out, it appears that the author
held a preconcieved idea about his results and then went about cherry-
picking data to make it fit that idea. He eventually defines
"homosexual" and his definition is so loose as to include anyone has
ever had a same-sex encounter. Just once is enough to brand the
perpetrator "homosexual" according to the definition given.
What else would you call it? Men fucking boys is not exactly
heterosexual behavior, you know.
4. I highly question the collection methodology that lead to the data
summary that in the US between 1980-2006 there were only 43
"heterosexual" female perpetrators of abuse of male students. The news
stories of a female teacher getting it on with a male student hit
ShortNews more frequently than that...
I don't see that number anywhere in the study.
All in all, total and utter junk science. In a nut shell, this "study"
was someone with a preconcieved idea that used a search engine to
cheery [sic] pick data to suit his needs, then created a journal to publish
his "study" where in he sits on the "scientific" review board!
I suppose, then, you could find data pointing to a contrary
conclusion?
As for this "Paul Cameron" mentioned in the article:
<snip smear job>
This is also irrelevant.
Andrew Usher
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16 Oct 2007 07:32:05 PM |
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In article <1192522770.788450.118230
@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Andrew Usher said...
if its methods of gathering data were sound, then its results are.
Faulty logic. (While it's true that one cannot build a
good house using bad wood, it is possible to build a
bad house using good wood.)
Regardless, only a very sloppy researcher -- or in
this case, a discredited researcher with an axe to
grind -- would assert that a tally of media accounts
indicates anything conclusive about the connection
between sexual orientation and sexual predation.
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17 Oct 2007 06:51:01 AM |
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On Oct 16, 6:32 pm, Brian E. Clark <re...@newsgroup.only.please>
wrote:
In article <1192522770.788450.118230
@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Andrew Usher said...
if its methods of gathering data were sound, then its results are.
Faulty logic. (While it's true that one cannot build a
good house using bad wood, it is possible to build a
bad house using good wood.)
That's true, but you haven't demonstrated where it goes wrong. I was
only stating that you can't use the credibility of the researcher (of
which
I have no knowledge) to argue against the conclusion, which is at
least
as big a logical leap.
Regardless, only a very sloppy researcher -- or in
this case, a discredited researcher with an axe to
grind -- would assert that a tally of media accounts
indicates anything conclusive about the connection
between sexual orientation and sexual predation.
I don't suppose it's conclusive by itself. Nonetheless it seems
that if media reports indicate gay men disproportionately engage
in relationships with students, then they do - unless the media
over-report homosexual incidents, which I find incredible. I believe
that male victims are, if anything less likely to report the abuse;
and
I can hardly believe the media have ay anti-gay bias that might lead
homosexual incidents to be given more coverage.
I implied that these relationships are all 'abusive', but it's not
necessary; I need only that the homosexual relationships are not
significantly less likely to be, which I think you'd have a hard time
arguing against.
Andrew Usher
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17 Oct 2007 02:14:43 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:51:01 -0700, Andrew Usher
<k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't suppose it's conclusive by itself. Nonetheless it seems
that if media reports indicate gay men disproportionately engage
in relationships with students, then they do - unless the media
over-report homosexual incidents
Or use faulty logic and even more faulty "statistical analysis". (The
'analysis' isn't even wrong, it's a joke.)
I can hardly believe the media have ay anti-gay bias
The media, like everything else in this country, has the Christian
bias that the society as a whole has.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
- A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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On Oct 17, 2:14 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:51:01 -0700, Andrew Usher
<k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't suppose it's conclusive by itself. Nonetheless it seems
that if media reports indicate gay men disproportionately engage
in relationships with students, then they do - unless the media
over-report homosexual incidents
Or use faulty logic and even more faulty "statistical analysis". (The
'analysis' isn't even wrong, it's a joke.)
Do you even read what you're responding to? The media aren't using
'statistical analysis' when they decide what stories to print.
I can hardly believe the media have ay anti-gay bias
The media, like everything else in this country, has the Christian
bias that the society as a whole has.
Now I know you're just plain nuts. I decided, you should note, to
reply only to Mr. Clark this morning as he seems, unlike you, to
possibly have some grasp of logic and ability to think beyond
prejudice.
Andrew Usher
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17 Oct 2007 04:33:55 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:11:51 -0700, Andrew Usher
<k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 17, 2:14 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:51:01 -0700, Andrew Usher
<k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't suppose it's conclusive by itself. Nonetheless it seems
that if media reports indicate gay men disproportionately engage
in relationships with students, then they do - unless the media
over-report homosexual incidents
Or use faulty logic and even more faulty "statistical analysis". (The
'analysis' isn't even wrong, it's a joke.)
Do you even read what you're responding to? The media aren't using
'statistical analysis' when they decide what stories to print.
They printed a story that analyzed statistics. Don't you understand
the stories you read, or do you just glom onto sentence fragments that
light up the "agree with" center of your skull?
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"The last temptation is the greatest treason: To do the right deed for the wrong reason."
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17 Oct 2007 05:58:59 PM |
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On Oct 17, 3:33 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
I don't suppose it's conclusive by itself. Nonetheless it seems
that if media reports indicate gay men disproportionately engage
in relationships with students, then they do - unless the media
over-report homosexual incidents
Or use faulty logic and even more faulty "statistical analysis". (The
'analysis' isn't even wrong, it's a joke.)
Do you even read what you're responding to? The media aren't using
'statistical analysis' when they decide what stories to print.
They printed a story that analyzed statistics. Don't you understand
the stories you read, or do you just glom onto sentence fragments that
light up the "agree with" center of your skull?
The implied subject of your sentence was 'the media'. Saying that they
'use' statistical analysis when they're printing someone's study isn't
really a sensible thing to say. In any case, I am sure you're using a
semantic argument as you can't refute me anywhere else.
Andrew Usher
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17 Oct 2007 07:42:51 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:58:59 -0700, Andrew Usher
<k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 17, 3:33 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
I don't suppose it's conclusive by itself. Nonetheless it seems
that if media reports indicate gay men disproportionately engage
in relationships with students, then they do - unless the media
over-report homosexual incidents
Or use faulty logic and even more faulty "statistical analysis". (The
'analysis' isn't even wrong, it's a joke.)
Do you even read what you're responding to? The media aren't using
'statistical analysis' when they decide what stories to print.
They printed a story that analyzed statistics. Don't you understand
the stories you read, or do you just glom onto sentence fragments that
light up the "agree with" center of your skull?
The implied subject of your sentence was 'the media'. Saying that they
'use' statistical analysis when they're printing someone's study isn't
really a sensible thing to say.
So the media doesn't use interviews to write stories. Interesting.
In any case, I am sure you're using a
semantic argument as you can't refute me anywhere else.
Guilt by grammar. I've never been convicted of that.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
He is one of those orators of whom it was well said, 'Before they get up,
they do not know what they are going to say; when they are speaking they
do not know what they are saying; and when they have sat down they do not
know what they have said.'
- Winston Churchill
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16 Oct 2007 03:59:47 AM |
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On 16 oct, 10:19, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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As for this "Paul Cameron" mentioned in the article:
<snip smear job>
This is also irrelevant.
Nope. It shows that this Paul Cameron isn't trustworthy. It might be
irrelevant for homophobes like you that he's a well-known liar with an
agenda of his own but it isn't for people interested in the truth like
us.
This wasn't a smear job, just facts. Bigots don't like facts.
Hence your support of J Young.
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16 Oct 2007 09:29:01 AM |
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On Oct 16, 2:59 am, wrote:
On 16 oct, 10:19, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
As for this "Paul Cameron" mentioned in the article:
<snip smear job>
This is also irrelevant.
Nope. It shows that this Paul Cameron isn't trustworthy. It might be
irrelevant for homophobes like you that he's a well-known liar with an
agenda of his own but it isn't for people interested in the truth like
us.
This wasn't a smear job, just facts. Bigots don't like facts.
Hence your support of J Young.
I never heard of J Young until he cross-posted this on this group,
soc.men.
I never heard of Paul Cameron either. You can't prove by assertion,
nor by
hurling insults.
The result of the study seems plausible to me, and the method seems
sound;
while there are some problems with it (I read it) they don't affect
the main point.
Andrew Usher
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16 Oct 2007 01:21:04 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:29:01 -0700, Andrew Usher
<k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote:
The result of the study seems plausible to me, and the method seems
sound;
Since the methodology ISN'T sound, you're evidently not a very
reliable judge of scientific methodology.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers,
and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
- Luke 14:26
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17 Oct 2007 06:51:44 AM |
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On Oct 16, 12:21 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
<k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The result of the study seems plausible to me, and the method seems
sound;
Since the methodology ISN'T sound, you're evidently not a very
reliable judge of scientific methodology.
And you are, I suppose??
Andrew Usher
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16 Oct 2007 07:27:46 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:03:47 -0700, J Young wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101505.html
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
SALT LAKE CITY, October 15, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A male
homosexual was the teacher most apt to have sex with his pupils in a
study encompassing 7 countries. Overall, 43% of teachers who made the
news for having sex with their pupils over the last 27 years engaged
in homosexuality.
How does 43% translate to "most teachers"?
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MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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16 Oct 2007 01:24:02 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:27:46 -0400, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:03:47 -0700, J Young wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101505.html
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
SALT LAKE CITY, October 15, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A male
homosexual was the teacher most apt to have sex with his pupils in a
study encompassing 7 countries. Overall, 43% of teachers who made the
news for having sex with their pupils over the last 27 years engaged
in homosexuality.
How does 43% translate to "most teachers"?
How does "most abusers are homosexual" (whether it's true or not)
translate to "homosexuals are most likely to abuse"?
The number of abusers and the number of incidents of abuse isn't the
same thing.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the
one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
- H. L. Mencken
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16 Oct 2007 08:45:23 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:03:47 -0700, J Young wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
That liesite is lying? No, we're not at all surprised...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach
their heart's desire at last, and the White House will
be adorned by a downright moron.â€
- H. L. Mencken
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16 Oct 2007 04:24:22 AM |
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On Oct 16, 12:03 am, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101505.html
Study Finds that Among Teachers, Male Homosexuals are Most Likely to
Sexually Abuse Students
What makes you any different?
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16 Oct 2007 09:27:55 AM |
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On Oct 16, 1:03 pm, J Young <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
Is anyone ~really~ suprised?
I'm not surprised by anything that comes from you. The day when you
post something rational and unbigoted is the day I will be surprised.
Martin
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