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Study: Neanderthals hadL'language Gene' |
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071018_foxp2-neanderthal.htm
Study: Neanderthals had "language gene"
Oct. 18, 2007
Courtesy Cell Press
and World Science staff
Humans' closest extinct relatives, the Neanderthals, possessed a
key gene variant believed to be related to our ability to speak,
researchers have found. The discovery, they said, shows that this
mutation arose much earlier than scientists had suspected, and raises
at least the possibility that Neanderthals could talk.
"From the point of view of this gene, there is no reason to think that
Neanderthals would not have had the ability for language," said
Johannes Krause of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary
Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, one of the scientists. He noted,
however, that many other as-yet-unknown genes might underlie language,
so the issue remains unresolved.
The gene, called FOXP2, is the only one known to play a role in speech and
language, according to the researchers. People who carry an
abnormal copy of the gene have speech and language problems.
Previous studies indicated that a spread in the human variant
occurred because of strong evolutionary pressure less than 200,000
years ago, said the institute's Svante Pääbo. Since the Neanderthal and
modern human lineages branched apart more than 300,000 years ago, "we
would have guessed that these changes in FOXP2 would have happened after
we separated from Neanderthals," Pääbo said. He noted that the human
version differs from that of chimps in two places.
The researchers analyzed DNA from fossils found in a cave in northern
Spain of Neanderthals, an extinct subspecies of stocky humans who lived
in Europe and the Mediterranean area from around 100,000 to 30,000 years
ago.
The study marks the first time a specific "nuclear" gene has been
retrieved from Neanderthals, researchers added. Nuclear genes are
those that reside in the cell nucleus, the vast majority of our genes.
Other, more specialized genes reside in cellular compartments known
as mitochondria.
The finding opens the door to other breakthroughs in understanding
human and Neanderthal evolution, the researchers said. "Leaving
out the unlikely scenario of gene flow [between the two lineages],
this establishes that these changes were present in the common
ancestor of modern humans and Neandertals," they wrote. The study is
to be published online Oct. 18 in the research journal Current
Biology.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Neanderthals hadL'language Gene' |
18 Oct 2007 09:56:44 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
Pre=ADvi=ADous stud=ADies in=ADdi=ADcat=ADed that a spread in the hu=ADman
var=ADi=ADant oc=ADcurred be=ADcause of strong ev=ADo=ADlu=ADtion=ADary
pres=ADsure less than 200,000 years ago, said the
in=ADsti=ADtute's Svante P=E4=E4bo.
So, many of the underlying assumptions -- on which
DNA "evidence" are based -- are wrong?
Since the Ne=ADan=ADder=ADthal and mod=ADern hu=ADman lin=ADeages
branched apart more than 300,000 years ago,
A lot further back than that, according to the latest
conclusions...
I'm extremely uncomfortable with any & all DNA
"Evidence." There are many conflicts and contradictions.
The truth is, either *Nobody* ever reports these studies
accurately, or humans are still a long ways from
understanding DNA enough to draw solid conclusions.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Why monkeys can't talk |
18 Oct 2007 09:00:19 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:FI-dnUXeJp-4n4XanZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comcast.com...
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071018_foxp2-neanderthal.htm
Study: Neanderthals had "language gene"
Oct. 18, 2007
Courtesy Cell Press
and World Science staff
Humans' closest extinct relatives, the Neanderthals, possessed a
key gene variant believed to be related to our ability to speak,
researchers have found. The discovery, they said, shows that this
mutation arose much earlier than scientists had suspected, and
raises at least the possibility that Neanderthals could talk.
"From the point of view of this gene, there is no reason to think that
Neanderthals would not have had the ability for language," said
Johannes Krause of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary
Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, one of the scientists. He
noted, however, that many other as-yet-unknown genes might underlie
language, so the issue remains unresolved.
The gene, called FOXP2, is the only one known to play a role in speech and
language, according to the researchers. People who carry an
abnormal copy of the gene have speech and language problems.
Previous studies indicated that a spread in the human variant
occurred because of strong evolutionary pressure less than 200,000
years ago, said the institute's Svante Pääbo. Since the Neanderthal
and modern human lineages branched apart more than 300,000 years ago,
"we would have guessed that these changes in FOXP2 would have happened
after we separated from Neanderthals," Pääbo said. He noted that
the human version differs from that of chimps in two places.
The researchers analyzed DNA from fossils found in a cave in northern
Spain of Neanderthals, an extinct subspecies of stocky humans who
lived in Europe and the Mediterranean area from around 100,000 to
30,000 years ago.
The study marks the first time a specific "nuclear" gene has been
retrieved from Neanderthals, researchers added. Nuclear genes are
those that reside in the cell nucleus, the vast majority of our
genes. Other, more specialized genes reside in cellular
compartments known as mitochondria.
The finding opens the door to other breakthroughs in understanding
human and Neanderthal evolution, the researchers said. "Leaving
out the unlikely scenario of gene flow [between the two lineages],
this establishes that these changes were present in the common
ancestor of modern humans and Neandertals," they wrote. The study
is to be published online Oct. 18 in the research journal Current
Biology.
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To talk you have to be able to "snarf".
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Neanderthals hadL'language Gene' |
18 Oct 2007 09:37:04 PM |
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Last time that great scribe Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net>=20
chipped away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071018_foxp2-neanderthal.htm
=20
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Study: Neanderthals had "language gene"
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Oct. 18, 2007
Courtesy Cell Press
and World Science staff
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Hu=ADmans' clos=ADest ex=ADtinct rel=ADa=ADtives, the Ne=ADan=ADder=ADtha=
ls, pos=ADsessed a=20
key gene var=ADi=ADant be=ADlieved to be re=ADlat=ADed to our abil=ADity =
to speak,=20
re=ADsearch=ADers have found. The dis=ADco=ADvery, they said, shows that =
this=20
muta=ADt=ADion arose much ear=ADli=ADer than sci=ADen=ADtists had sus=ADp=
ected, and raises=20
at least the pos=ADsi=ADbil=ADity that Ne=ADan=ADder=ADthals could talk.
=20
"From the point of view of this gene, there is no rea=ADson to think that=
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Ne=ADan=ADder=ADthals would not have had the abil=ADity for lan=ADguage,"=
said=20
Jo=ADhan=ADnes Krause of the Max Planck In=ADsti=ADtute for Ev=ADo=ADlu=
=ADtion=ADary=20
An=ADthro=ADpo=ADl=ADogy in Leip=ADzig, Ger=ADma=ADny, one of the sci=ADe=
n=ADtists. He not=ADed,=20
how=ADev=ADer, that many oth=ADer as-yet-unknown genes might un=ADder=ADl=
ie lan=ADguage,=20
so the is=ADsue re=ADmains un=ADre=ADsolved.
=20
The gene, called FOXP2, is the only one known to play a role in speech an=
d=20
lan=ADguage, ac=ADcord=ADing to the re=ADsearch=ADers. Peo=ADple who car=
=ADry an=20
ab=ADnor=ADmal copy of the gene have speech and lan=ADguage prob=ADlems.
=20
Pre=ADvi=ADous stud=ADies in=ADdi=ADcat=ADed that a spread in the hu=ADma=
n var=ADi=ADant=20
oc=ADcurred be=ADcause of strong ev=ADo=ADlu=ADtion=ADary pres=ADsure les=
s than 200,000=20
years ago, said the in=ADsti=ADtute's Svante P=E4=E4bo. Since the Ne=ADan=
=ADder=ADthal and=20
mod=ADern hu=ADman lin=ADeages branched apart more than 300,000 years ago=
, "we=20
would have guessed that these changes in FOXP2 would have hap=ADpened af=
=ADter=20
we sep=ADa=ADrat=ADed from Ne=ADan=ADder=ADthals," P=E4=E4bo said. He not=
=ADed that the hu=ADman=20
ver=ADsion dif=ADfers from that of chimps in two places.
=20
The researchers analyzed DNA from fos=ADsils found in a cave in north=ADe=
rn=20
Spain of Nean=ADder=ADthals, an extinct sub=ADspecies of stocky hu=ADmans=
who lived=20
in Eur=ADope and the Medi=ADter=ADra=ADnean area from around 100,000 to 3=
0,000 years=20
ago.
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The study marks the first time a spe=ADcif=ADic "nu=ADcle=ADar" gene has =
been=20
re=ADtrieved from Ne=ADan=ADder=ADthals, re=ADsearch=ADers added. Nu=ADcl=
ear genes are=20
those that re=ADside in the cell nu=ADcle=ADus, the vast ma=ADjor=ADity o=
f our genes.=20
Oth=ADer, more spe=ADcial=ADized genes re=ADside in cel=ADlu=ADlar com=AD=
part=ADments known=20
as mi=ADto=ADchon=ADdria.
=20
The find=ADing opens the door to oth=ADer break=ADthroughs in un=ADder=AD=
stand=ADing=20
hu=ADman and Ne=ADan=ADder=ADthal ev=ADo=ADlu=ADtion, the re=ADsearch=ADe=
rs said. "Leav=ADing=20
out the un=ADlikely sce=ADnar=ADi=ADo of gene flow [be=ADtween the two li=
n=ADeages],=20
this es=ADtab=ADlishes that these changes were pre=ADs=ADent in the com=
=ADmon=20
an=ADces=ADtor of mod=ADern hu=ADmans and Ne=ADan=ADder=ADtals," they wro=
te. The study is=20
to be pub=ADlished on=ADline Oct. 18 in the re=ADsearch jour=ADnal Cur=AD=
rent=20
Bi=ADol=ADo=ADgy.
I wouldn't be surprised. Why else would Ne=ADan=ADder=ADtals have had such =
a=20
large, energy expensive brain, in a cold climate which works the body's=20
thermostat overtime if they had no language.
--=20
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,=20
Chief EAC prophet=20
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make=20
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Neanderthals hadL'language Gene' |
18 Oct 2007 09:43:10 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:02:30 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
What is with all the hyphens between the syllables?
Whe I look at the raw message, these show up as "=AD".
"Equals/A/D" if that disappears due to reformatting..
Anybody know what this is?
I've seen it in other people's cut'n'pastee from newspapers and
magazines.
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071018_foxp2-neanderthal.htm
Study: Neanderthals had "language gene"
Oct. 18, 2007
Courtesy Cell Press
and World Science staff
Humans' closest extinct relatives, the Neanderthals, possessed a
key gene variant believed to be related to our ability to speak,
researchers have found. The discovery, they said, shows that this
mutation arose much earlier than scientists had suspected, and raises
at least the possibility that Neanderthals could talk.
"From the point of view of this gene, there is no reason to think that
Neanderthals would not have had the ability for language," said
Johannes Krause of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary
Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, one of the scientists. He noted,
however, that many other as-yet-unknown genes might underlie language,
so the issue remains unresolved.
The gene, called FOXP2, is the only one known to play a role in speech and
language, according to the researchers. People who carry an
abnormal copy of the gene have speech and language problems.
Previous studies indicated that a spread in the human variant
occurred because of strong evolutionary pressure less than 200,000
years ago, said the institute's Svante Pääbo. Since the Neanderthal and
modern human lineages branched apart more than 300,000 years ago, "we
would have guessed that these changes in FOXP2 would have happened after
we separated from Neanderthals," Pääbo said. He noted that the human
version differs from that of chimps in two places.
The researchers analyzed DNA from fossils found in a cave in northern
Spain of Neanderthals, an extinct subspecies of stocky humans who lived
in Europe and the Mediterranean area from around 100,000 to 30,000 years
ago.
The study marks the first time a specific "nuclear" gene has been
retrieved from Neanderthals, researchers added. Nuclear genes are
those that reside in the cell nucleus, the vast majority of our genes.
Other, more specialized genes reside in cellular compartments known
as mitochondria.
The finding opens the door to other breakthroughs in understanding
human and Neanderthal evolution, the researchers said. "Leaving
out the unlikely scenario of gene flow [between the two lineages],
this establishes that these changes were present in the common
ancestor of modern humans and Neandertals," they wrote. The study is
to be published online Oct. 18 in the research journal Current
Biology.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Neanderthals hadL'language Gene' |
18 Oct 2007 10:11:05 PM |
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In article <976gh31clk6litq3brtgmrp8nlhejb4ia4@
4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee said...
Whe I look at the raw message, these show up as "=AD".
"Equals/A/D" if that disappears due to reformatting..
Hmm.
"AD" is hex for 10 and 13 in decimal; in ASCII it
indicates a linefeed followed by a carriage return.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Neanderthals hadL'language Gene' |
18 Oct 2007 10:16:26 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:11:05 -0400, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <976gh31clk6litq3brtgmrp8nlhejb4ia4@
4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee said...
Whe I look at the raw message, these show up as "=AD".
"Equals/A/D" if that disappears due to reformatting..
Hmm.
"AD" is hex for 10 and 13 in decimal; in ASCII it
indicates a linefeed followed by a carriage return.
Wouldn't those be 0A and 0D? But in any case I can't imagine CR/LF
between syllables in a word.
I had been wondering if it was some kind of control for a reading
program for the partially sighted, so they could listen to it.
But it makes it almost unreadable.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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19 Oct 2007 12:30:24 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:16:26 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:11:05 -0400, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <976gh31clk6litq3brtgmrp8nlhejb4ia4@
4ax.com>, Christopher A.Lee said...
Whe I look at the raw message, these show up as "=AD".
"Equals/A/D" if that disappears due to reformatting..
Hmm.
"AD" is hex for 10 and 13 in decimal; in ASCII it
indicates a linefeed followed by a carriage return.
Wouldn't those be 0A and 0D? But in any case I can't imagine CR/LF
between syllables in a word.
I had been wondering if it was some kind of control for a reading
program for the partially sighted, so they could listen to it.
But it makes it almost unreadable.
Maybe something like WordStar's soft hyphen (put a hyphen here if the
word has to be broken to justify the line)? 0xAD is a hyphen with the
high bit set.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Study: Neanderthals hadL'language Gene' |
18 Oct 2007 10:08:31 PM |
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In article <976gh31clk6litq3brtgmrp8nlhejb4ia4@4ax.com> Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> writes:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:02:30 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
What is with all the hyphens between the syllables?
Whe I look at the raw message, these show up as "=AD".
"Equals/A/D" if that disappears due to reformatting..
Anybody know what this is?
Well, I work as much as possible in straight text, and
avoid <vulgarity warning> Microsoft output as much
as I can.
But sometimes I do end up with what Word seems to
think is straight text.
By dint of trial and terror, I've found that the =NN
convention stands for "the character whose number in hexidecimal is NN"
Thus Word thinks the tab character is =09, =20 is a
space, and =0A is their infuriating soft return, or whatever
it's called.
(I wrote a little program called `unequal' to replace these
abominations in anything I have to work with)
Characters greater than the usual 7-bit printables can
be represented too, here's a table of those:
http://www.cdrummond.qc.ca/cegep/informat/Professeurs/Alain/files/ascii.htm
(the second table)
A n y h o w, assuming the thingie you asked about is this kind
of encoding, then "=AD" would translate to the funny-looking
`i' under AD in that second table.
-- cary
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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18 Oct 2007 10:15:43 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net>
bloodied us up with this:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:02:30 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
What is with all the hyphens between the syllables?
Whe I look at the raw message, these show up as "=AD".
"Equals/A/D" if that disappears due to reformatting..
Anybody know what this is?
I've seen it in other people's cut'n'pastee from newspapers and
magazines.
Probably your newsreader's attempt to decipher HTML. Just a guess.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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