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Study: Really Smart People Reject Christianity (The Journal Nature) |
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Web Posted: July 25, 1998
study in today's edition of the prestigious science journal "Nature"
reveals that members of the scientific community are "more likely than
ever to reject God and immortality," discloses Britain's Daily
Telegraph.
That claim is based on another study which repeats a historic
survey first made in 1916 by Dr. James Leuba of Bryn Mawr University.
It revealed that over eight decades ago, only about 40% of the
scientists surveyed expressed belief in any supreme being. Leuba
predicted that advances in education and technology would further
erode faith in religious claims.
In 1997, Edward Larson of the University of Georgia decided to
revisit Leuba's study and evaluate the prediction that religious
belief was disappearing, at least in the scientific community. Author
of the book "Summer for the God's" and a professor of science law and
history, Larson said that Leuba's original survey raised "good
questions."
"They provoke responses and give much more insight into how people
think than the vague Gallup poll question, 'Do you believe in God?'"
he told a writer from Research Reporter.
Larson closely followed Leuba's methodology, repeating the same
questions and attempting to find a representative sample which met the
original survey profile. "I had no idea how it would turn out," Larson
said.
60% responded, a figure considered high for any surveys. Of those,
40% expressed belief in a deity, while nearly 45% did not. Larson's
survey also discovered that physicists were less likely to have such
faith, while mathematicians were significantly more likely to believe
in a supreme being, as defined by Leuba.
"NATURE" SURVEY -- LESS AND LESS BELIEF
The follow-up study reported in "Nature" reveals that the rate of
belief is lower than eight decades ago. The latest survey involved 517
members of the National Academy of Sciences; half replied. When
queried about belief in "personal god," only 7% responded in the
affirmative, while 72.2% expressed "personal disbelief," and 20.8%
expressed "doubt or agnosticism." Belief in the concept of human
immortality, i.e. life after death declined from the 35.2% measured in
1914 to just 7.9%. 76.7% reject the "human immortality" tenet,
compared with 25.4% in 1914, and 23.2% claimed "doubt or agnosticism"
on the question, compared with 43.7% in Leuba's original measurement.
Again, though, the highest rate of belief in a god was found among
mathematicians (14.3%), while the lowest was found among those in the
life sciences fields -- only 5.5%.
THE GLASS IS EMPTIER...
Dr. Larson, in commenting on his 1997 replication of the 1916
study, noted that as with Leuba's report, his revelations elicited
wildly different accounts in the news media. "It's being spun in
different ways," Larson observed. "The Christian Science Monitor ran
an editorial exhorting the fact that scientists still do believe --
despite the fact that well less than half of the scientists in my
survey believed in God -- while the Journal of Humanism ran a piece
proclaiming that they do not."
"Is the glass half empty or half full?," Larson asked.
It would be difficult to interpret the figures reported in
"Nature," though, as suggesting that belief within the scientific
community is gaining popularity, or even holding its own. The "belief
in a person god" category suggests a precipitous drop, from about 40%
in Larson's survey to 7% in the "Nature" study.
CHANGING VIEWS OF SCIENCE, RELIGION, GOD
While Leuba and his study were historic curiosities when Dr.
Larson and co-researcher Larry Witham decided to revisit the findings,
during its time the 1916 survey ignited considerable controversy. Paul
Karr of Research Reporter noted that Leuba's findings "touched off an
anti-evolutionary movement that would culminate in the historic Scopes
trial where science and Darwinism faced off against Christianity and
creationism for the mind and soul of the American schoolchild."
Indeed, just nine years after the Leuba findings, high school biology
teacher John T. Scopes (1900-1970) was in the middle of a legal
controversy, accused of violating Tennessee's Butler Act which forbade
the teaching of evolution in the state's public schools. The trial
drew worldwide publicity, and was soon dubbed the Monkey Trial due to
popular misconceptions about evolutionary findings -- that "people
came from monkeys."
Criminal attorney Clarence Darrow faced off against the
prosecution's most illustrious witness, former U.S. Secretary of State
William Jennings Bryan, a populist known for his famous "Cross of
Gold" oration. Darrow conceded "the facts of the case," that Scopes
had indeed violated the Butler Act -- but he also argued for the
scientific validity of evolution. Scopes was convicted and fined $100,
but the state supreme court later overturned the verdict on technical
grounds; meanwhile, the Butler Act remained on the books in Tennessee
until 1967.
But William Jennings Bryan, the consummate politician, also was
typical of the "amateur scientist" of the late nineteenth and early
twentieth century. He was a member of the American Association for the
Advancement of Science, but as described by Edward Davis in a review
of "Redeeming Culture: American Religion in an Age of Science (James
Gilbert, University of Chicago Press, 1997), was also "representative
of an older, less abstract, way of understanding scientific knowledge,
a common sense Baconianism that eschewed speculative hypotheses (such
as evolution) and saw both science and religion as ways of glorifying
God."
The paradigm exemplified by Bryan -- the practical, "amateur
scientist" who understood the scientific enterprise as a reaffirmation
of the sacred -- may be even less represented today within the
academic community than when John Scopes went to trial in Dayton,
Tennessee nearly three-quarters-of-a-century ago. Evolution, a core
tenet of modern life sciences such as biology, was not a major point
of contention even among professional academicians then. It reflected
the tension between the "common sense" position of the "amateur
scientists" and the more rigorously trained professionals. Davis
argues that "Bryan's 'greatest mistake' was to assume that this view
of science was still operative among professional scientists in the
1920s. Because it was still part of the popular conception of science,
however, his actions leading up to the Scopes trial 'revealed a fault
line between popular and professional science.'"
Today, the fault line appears between the scientific community
which increasingly doubts supernatural or religion-based explanations
of how the universe operates, and the wider popular culture which is
in the midst of both a fundamentalist revival, and a disturbing
popularity of new age and related pseudo science beliefs. One example
could be the recent article in Newsweek Magazine, which suggests a
convergence of scientific opinion and more traditional religious
doctrines. The agreement may exist more in the news rooms of popular
magazines, than in the libraries, labs and observatories where
scientists actually do their work.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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12 Jan 2006 02:03:57 AM |
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On 11 Jan 2006 23:54:07 -0800, "Trace" <tracey12_12@yahoo.com> wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
[yawn]
The Bible also says that rape is okay (Deu 22:28], which of course
satisfies felons like you.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
So, if you reject God and his salvation plan, enjoy your life as much
as possible. This will be the only time youll be happy.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2209 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Now, did I want to go? Hell no."
-duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why
a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of
the Vietnam War.
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke loves to play
with little girls' nipples:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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12 Jan 2006 11:52:55 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2006 23:54:07 -0800, "Trace" <tracey12_12@yahoo.com> wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
So, if you reject God and his salvation plan, enjoy your life as much
as possible. This will be the only time youll be happy.
Same to you.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Dave" |
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14 Jan 2006 11:00:38 PM |
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Trace wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
So, if you reject God and his salvation plan, enjoy your life as much
as possible. This will be the only time youll be happy.
Ha ha. This will be your only chance to be happy no matter what silly
things you believe.
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17 Jan 2006 11:15:37 PM |
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Trace wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
So, if you reject God and his salvation plan, enjoy your life as much
as possible. This will be the only time youll be happy.
So you need to be poor and stupid to enter heaven,
sounds like snake oil to me.
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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13 Jan 2006 08:52:12 AM |
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Trace wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
Not true.. just look at Britney Spears, Eminem or 50 Cents...
RS
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| User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria" |
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13 Jan 2006 11:50:58 AM |
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Richard Smol wrote:
Trace wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
Not true.. just look at Britney Spears, Eminem or 50 Cents...
Actually, it has to be "50 Cent" because when their is an adjective
specifying number, the plural indicator /s/ is considered redundant.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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15 Jan 2006 02:47:02 PM |
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Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:
Richard Smol wrote:
Trace wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
Not true.. just look at Britney Spears, Eminem or 50 Cents...
Actually, it has to be "50 Cent" because when their is an adjective
specifying number, the plural indicator /s/ is considered redundant.
"Actually, it has to be "50 Cent" because when their is an
adjective
******
specifying number, the plural indicator /s/ is considered
redundant."
Hmmmmmmm. Speeling flams is stewpid.
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"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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| User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria" |
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15 Jan 2006 06:14:13 PM |
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wrote:
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:
Richard Smol wrote:
Trace wrote:
HAHA! You're right! The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to
pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And, most of us would agree that in order to be rich, you generally
have to be intelligent.
Not true.. just look at Britney Spears, Eminem or 50 Cents...
Actually, it has to be "50 Cent" because when there is an adjective
specifying number, the plural indicator /s/ is considered redundant.
"Actually, it has to be "50 Cent" because when there is an
adjective
******
specifying number, the plural indicator /s/ is considered
redundant."
Hmmmmmmm. Speeling flams is stewpid.
It wasn't a flame, it was a statement, stupid.
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"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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| User: "" |
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12 Jan 2006 02:04:56 AM |
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the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
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| User: "frog" |
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14 Jan 2006 11:27:33 PM |
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"the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion."
More indoctrination results in less spirituality.
"you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you."
I feel that denial of god is a problem.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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15 Jan 2006 04:51:41 AM |
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On 14 Jan 2006 21:27:33 -0800, "frog" <froggyg@gmail.com> wrote:
"the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion."
More indoctrination results in less spirituality.
Education is not indoctrination. Being taught doctine is
indoctrination; religious doctrine to name one example.
"you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you."
I feel that denial of god is a problem.
I feel that denial of leprechauns is a problem.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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12 Jan 2006 02:25:23 AM |
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wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
--
"It's a good thing to be merciless, it comes in useful when dealing with
the young."
"Believe it or not, you can be as rude as you like, I don't take it
personally."
"That's another good way of taking the fun out of teaching."
-+"Butley", Alan Bates, Simon Gray, Harold Pinter
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| User: "Jericho" |
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12 Jan 2006 04:12:34 PM |
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"Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
"make you ultimately feel in more control.
Can I nominate this for the stupidest quote for January? Since
everyone dies eventually, what you do every minute prepares you for
what you're going to do the next minute. I'm going to die. So the
hell what? I'm going to try to make my time alive be worthwhile and
getting my next degree will give me more control over my future years.
If you cannot understand this logic, there's no hope for you.
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| User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria" |
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12 Jan 2006 07:47:15 PM |
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Jericho wrote:
"Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
"make you ultimately feel in more control.
Can I nominate this for the stupidest quote for January? Since
everyone dies eventually, what you do every minute prepares you for
what you're going to do the next minute. I'm going to die. So the
hell what? I'm going to try to make my time alive be worthwhile and
getting my next degree will give me more control over my future years.
If you cannot understand this logic, there's no hope for you.
You seem to espouse the Angry Atheist paradigm I was talking about. Add
into that more than a taste of repression.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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| User: "Jericho" |
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13 Jan 2006 11:55:21 AM |
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Angry? I don't feel angry. In fact I'm feeling pretty good right now.
I love these newsgroups because everybody's so damn funny. And I
really feel that saying that education wouldn't make someone feel more
in control is a pretty ludicrous statement.
Repression. Hmmm. I'm curious as to what you think that I'm
repressing. Seriously, I'd love to know and think about it myself.
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| User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria" |
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13 Jan 2006 01:37:28 PM |
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Jericho wrote:
Angry? I don't feel angry. In fact I'm feeling pretty good right now.
I love these newsgroups because everybody's so damn funny. And I
really feel that saying that education wouldn't make someone feel more
in control is a pretty ludicrous statement.
What does education have to do with feeling in more control about your
inevitable death?
Repression. Hmmm. I'm curious as to what you think that I'm
repressing. Seriously, I'd love to know and think about it myself.
You are repressing the reality of your coming death. This is one
potentially at least partly effective way not to become depressed, just
as is believing in an after life.
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"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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| User: "Jericho" |
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13 Jan 2006 02:30:17 PM |
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I see the confusion. You're pidgeon holing the control to the idea
that I'm stress about the fact that I'm going to die. Whereas I'm
broadening the topic to conisder the fact that being intelligent means
that you have more control over you life. I still don't agree that
intelligence doesn't give you some control over your inevitable death,
knowledge of the effects of exercise, healthy eating, and not smoking
can give you years more time before death.
You are repressing the reality of your coming death. This is one
potentially at least partly effective way not to become depressed, just
as is believing in an after life.
Here's where you're wrong. And I quote from myself "I'm going to die.
So the
hell what? I'm going to try to make my time alive be worthwhile and
getting my next degree will give me more control over my future years."
Why be depressed. It's not like I'm being singled out. Live as best
you can is the only honest answer. Now, thinking that some unknown,
untested, unprovable afterlife is going to save you from death, that
seems more like repression to me. Major denial of current evidence.
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| User: "Bill Bonde Soli Deo Gloria" |
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13 Jan 2006 03:58:23 PM |
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Jericho wrote:
I see the confusion.
I don't know what you are referring to. Quote and attribute correctly!
You're pidgeon holing the control to the idea
that I'm stress about the fact that I'm going to die. Whereas I'm
broadening the topic to conisder the fact that being intelligent means
that you have more control over you life.
Being intelligent means you know you don't have control over your life.
I'll bet the Waltons had more control over their lives than smart folks
like you do. Of course, they get a cut and infection and then keel over
and expire.
I still don't agree that
intelligence doesn't give you some control over your inevitable death,
knowledge of the effects of exercise, healthy eating, and not smoking
can give you years more time before death.
Maybe. You might end up not enjoying the years you have because you are
starving yourself because you read a study that said that mice that were
fed less than they wanted lived 50 percent longer. BTW, that's fine,
whatever works for you. It's clear that creating a legacy can make
humans have a feeling of some kind of immortality.
You are repressing the reality of your coming death. This is one
potentially at least partly effective way not to become depressed, just
as is believing in an after life.
Here's where you're wrong. And I quote from myself "I'm going to die.
So the
hell what? I'm going to try to make my time alive be worthwhile and
You obviously are repressing the part about the complete worthlessness
of even the greatest legacy you can image. The heat death of the
universe (or its eventual collapse) will erase everything you might do.
getting my next degree will give me more control over my future years."
Why be depressed. It's not like I'm being singled out. Live as best
If you were being singled out, at least you'd have that to fight
against. Truth be told, the Universe doesn't give a damn. You are going
to die and it doesn't care.
you can is the only honest answer.
Because you can have a type of immortality by creating happiness for
those who live on after you die. That has the same problems that all the
other defence mechanisms have.
Now, thinking that some unknown,
untested, unprovable afterlife is going to save you from death, that
seems more like repression to me. Major denial of current evidence.
We aren't discussing the verisimilitude of after life ideas but rather
the defence mechanism that humans use to not think about their
inevitable demise.
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"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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| User: "Jericho" |
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13 Jan 2006 04:23:54 PM |
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I don't know what you are referring to. Quote and attribute correctly!
Forget what you posted a minute ago. Geez dude you got bigger problems
than I thought.
Being intelligent means you know you don't have control over your life.
For you maybe; being intelligent means that I can gain control over my
life.
Maybe. You might end up not enjoying the years you have because . . .
Then you're not doing it intelligently. See?
It's clear that creating a legacy can make humans have a feeling of some >kind of immortality.
If that works for you. No one's going to remember who I am or what
I've done a hundred years from now and I've got no problem with that.
" the complete worthlessness of even the greatest legacy you can image."
Is this really what you meant to say.
The heat death of the universe will erase everything you might do.
Truth be told, the Universe doesn't give a damn. You are going
to die and it doesn't care.
Again, no problems here.
Because you can have a type of immortality by creating happiness for
those who live on after you die. That has the same problems that all the
other defence mechanisms have.
Not even close to what I was talking about.
" the defence mechanism that humans use to not think about their
inevitable demise.
That would be denial. I think about my inevitable demise, I just don't
dwell on it. When it happens, it happens. Until then, it's how I live
my life for "me" that matters. You're the one so afraid of not
existing that you've got to have some fantastic idea to get you through
it. If that's what you need, good on you. I don't need that because
I'm fine with the fact that I'm an insignificant speck in the grand
scheme of things, just like everyone else. I know some people that
aren't fine with it and don't think about it, because they don't
believe in an afterlife either. Their choice also. I don't think ill
of them because they don't think like I do.
Did I quote enough for you? Do you understand how I feel and think?
You're not going to change my mind or depress me, unless you come up
with something a damn sight more provable. I'll be happy to listen to
you rant, but it might be wasted effort on your part.
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12 Jan 2006 02:40:41 AM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
--
"It's a good thing to be merciless, it comes in useful when dealing with
the young."
"Believe it or not, you can be as rude as you like, I don't take it
personally."
"That's another good way of taking the fun out of teaching."
-+"Butley", Alan Bates, Simon Gray, Harold Pinter
the ABILITY to get a ph.d, a college degree is what makes people more
confident to deal with their problems.
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12 Jan 2006 02:30:01 AM |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:23 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
I get it, so therefore it is more important for you guys to perform
self-delusion!
No wonder you guys make up that WMD *****.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2209 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no."
-duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why
a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of
the Vietnam War.
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke loves to play
with little girls' nipples:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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12 Jan 2006 10:49:23 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:23 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
I get it, so therefore it is more important for you guys to perform
self-delusion!
Probably if any of us thought endlessly about the fact of certain death,
we'd snap, therefore various defence mechanisms are employed. If
religion is lying to yourself about an after life, the angry atheist
seems to be utilizing displacement and reaction formation for similar
purposes.
--
"It's a good thing to be merciless, it comes in useful when dealing with
the young."
"Believe it or not, you can be as rude as you like, I don't take it
personally."
"That's another good way of taking the fun out of teaching."
-+"Butley", Alan Bates, Simon Gray, Harold Pinter
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12 Jan 2006 11:15:09 AM |
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:23 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
I get it, so therefore it is more important for you guys to perform
self-delusion!
Probably if any of us thought endlessly about the fact of certain death,
we'd snap, therefore various defence mechanisms are employed. If
religion is lying to yourself about an after life, the angry atheist
seems to be utilizing displacement and reaction formation for similar
purposes.
What is the atheistic Buddhist then?
Is it impossible for you to believe that people can learn to accept
death as a natural, inescapable consequence of life. And that without
death, life would be mindless and futile.
You propose that obsessive fear of death is normal. I think Westerners
are conditioned to fear death. They preserve their bodies better than
mummies and store them in coffins. All their religions teach the
immortality of the ego, and that they are different from the animals.
If a person was never brought up in a religion that preached
immortality and never tempted by such an idea, would they have such an
obsessive fear of death? I don't think they would. I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
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12 Jan 2006 11:56:13 AM |
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"Chris H. Fleming" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:23 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
I get it, so therefore it is more important for you guys to perform
self-delusion!
Probably if any of us thought endlessly about the fact of certain death,
we'd snap, therefore various defence mechanisms are employed. If
religion is lying to yourself about an after life, the angry atheist
seems to be utilizing displacement and reaction formation for similar
purposes.
What is the atheistic Buddhist then?
What are his views exactly?
Is it impossible for you to believe that people can learn to accept
death as a natural, inescapable consequence of life.
Resignation to one's inevitable fate.
And that without
death, life would be mindless and futile.
The cupboard created by birth and death do exactly what for you?
You propose that obsessive fear of death is normal. I think Westerners
are conditioned to fear death. They preserve their bodies better than
mummies and store them in coffins. All their religions teach the
immortality of the ego, and that they are different from the animals.
If a person was never brought up in a religion that preached
immortality and never tempted by such an idea, would they have such an
obsessive fear of death? I don't think they would.
The fear of the end is what people respond to with defence mechanisms.
Reincarnation is no different in that aspect with an after life.
I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
I think addressing the Angry Atheist, something that seems to be forever
affixed to the belief, is really the issue here. It's like the duelling
warriors telling each other (and thus themselves) and "seeing you in
Hell" is worth dying for. The Angry Atheist seeks solace in depriving
the religiously faithful of their hope.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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13 Jan 2006 02:39:27 AM |
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Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:
"Chris H. Fleming" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:23 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
I get it, so therefore it is more important for you guys to perform
self-delusion!
Probably if any of us thought endlessly about the fact of certain death,
we'd snap, therefore various defence mechanisms are employed. If
religion is lying to yourself about an after life, the angry atheist
seems to be utilizing displacement and reaction formation for similar
purposes.
What is the atheistic Buddhist then?
What are his views exactly?
Is it impossible for you to believe that people can learn to accept
death as a natural, inescapable consequence of life.
Resignation to one's inevitable fate.
By saying "resignation" you bias the statement with your own fears. Try
to imagine that this may not be a severe problem for some people.
And that without
death, life would be mindless and futile.
The cupboard created by birth and death do exactly what for you?
You're gonna have to speak english for me.
You propose that obsessive fear of death is normal. I think Westerners
are conditioned to fear death. They preserve their bodies better than
mummies and store them in coffins. All their religions teach the
immortality of the ego, and that they are different from the animals.
If a person was never brought up in a religion that preached
immortality and never tempted by such an idea, would they have such an
obsessive fear of death? I don't think they would.
The fear of the end is what people respond to with defence mechanisms.
Reincarnation is no different in that aspect with an after life.
True (and I did not claim otherwise) but you avoid what I was getting
to.
I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
I think addressing the Angry Atheist, something that seems to be forever
affixed to the belief, is really the issue here. It's like the duelling
warriors telling each other (and thus themselves) and "seeing you in
Hell" is worth dying for. The Angry Atheist seeks solace in depriving
the religiously faithful of their hope.
I really think you are connecting too many dots and projecting too
much.
I can only speak for myself, but theists get me angry because of
stupidity and dishonesty. But then again I don't consider myself to be
an angry person. Maybe I do not understand the angry atheist.
My proposition is that these "defense mechanisms" are fed by a cultural
environment of fear and false promises to cheat death.
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13 Jan 2006 12:06:05 PM |
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"Chris H. Fleming" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:
"Chris H. Fleming" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:23 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
I get it, so therefore it is more important for you guys to perform
self-delusion!
Probably if any of us thought endlessly about the fact of certain death,
we'd snap, therefore various defence mechanisms are employed. If
religion is lying to yourself about an after life, the angry atheist
seems to be utilizing displacement and reaction formation for similar
purposes.
What is the atheistic Buddhist then?
What are his views exactly?
Is it impossible for you to believe that people can learn to accept
death as a natural, inescapable consequence of life.
Resignation to one's inevitable fate.
By saying "resignation" you bias the statement with your own fears. Try
to imagine that this may not be a severe problem for some people.
I suspect that different people pay more or less attention to this
issue. The ones who effectively repress the knowledge of their own
demise probably find it easier to focus on the current existence. One
response is to party like it's 1999 (because we all die in 2000). One
response is to take away others' faith and laugh about it.
And that without
death, life would be mindless and futile.
The cupboard created by birth and death do exactly what for you?
You're gonna have to speak english for me.
English is capitalized when it refers to the language, in English.
You are framed in by the start and the end, birth and death. Why is that
so important to you?
You propose that obsessive fear of death is normal. I think Westerners
are conditioned to fear death. They preserve their bodies better than
mummies and store them in coffins. All their religions teach the
immortality of the ego, and that they are different from the animals.
If a person was never brought up in a religion that preached
immortality and never tempted by such an idea, would they have such an
obsessive fear of death? I don't think they would.
The fear of the end is what people respond to with defence mechanisms.
Reincarnation is no different in that aspect with an after life.
True (and I did not claim otherwise) but you avoid what I was getting
to.
You mean if a person never thought about living forever, he wouldn't
worry about it? What religions don't promote the idea that something
about us continues after our death?
I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
I think addressing the Angry Atheist, something that seems to be forever
affixed to the belief, is really the issue here. It's like the duelling
warriors telling each other (and thus themselves) and "seeing you in
Hell" is worth dying for. The Angry Atheist seeks solace in depriving
the religiously faithful of their hope.
I really think you are connecting too many dots and projecting too
much.
Projecting? Yang is clearly angry and clearly an atheist. I'm certainly
not angry.
I can only speak for myself, but theists get me angry because of
stupidity and dishonesty. But then again I don't consider myself to be
an angry person. Maybe I do not understand the angry atheist.
I think there is plenty of stupidity and dishonesty coming from the
atheist camp, but it doesn't particularly make me angry.
My proposition is that these "defense mechanisms" are fed by a cultural
environment of fear and false promises to cheat death.
Your own words, cheat death, suggest that you accept your end. That is
the resignation, the acceptance of the hand of cards we are all dealt.
Who is to say what the most healthy view is? It might mean that being an
atheist increases your need for prescribed antidepressants.
--
"He named his second child Jim after the horse that had brought him to
Washington. He caught his son one day writing 'James' on his lessons,
and he told the boy without raising his voice that if he had wanted to
name him 'James', that is what he would have done." -+Edward P. Jones,
"The Known World"
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Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:
"Chris H. Fleming" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria') wrote:
"Chris H. Fleming" wrote:
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****" wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:25:23 -0800, "Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus
of recirculation')" <prepend@postpend.net.ru> wrote:
ck19bla@msn.com wrote:
the more education you have the less likely you will be involved with
religion. a smaller percentage of college graduates will be involve
with religion than high school grads. ph.d's less than college grads.
it is probably a matter of self confidence. the more education you have
the more control you feel you have over your life. you don't need to
try and escape your problems by pretending that there is a god who is
going to help you.
Since everyone dies, I think that having a PhD is unlikely to really
make you ultimately feel in more control.
I get it, so therefore it is more important for you guys to perform
self-delusion!
Probably if any of us thought endlessly about the fact of certain death,
we'd snap, therefore various defence mechanisms are employed. If
religion is lying to yourself about an after life, the angry atheist
seems to be utilizing displacement and reaction formation for similar
purposes.
What is the atheistic Buddhist then?
What are his views exactly?
Is it impossible for you to believe that people can learn to accept
death as a natural, inescapable consequence of life.
Resignation to one's inevitable fate.
By saying "resignation" you bias the statement with your own fears. Try
to imagine that this may not be a severe problem for some people.
I suspect that different people pay more or less attention to this
issue. The ones who effectively repress the knowledge of their own
demise probably find it easier to focus on the current existence. One
response is to party like it's 1999 (because we all die in 2000). One
response is to take away others' faith and laugh about it.
I don't repress the knowledge of my death. I accept it and embrace it.
I just don't understand your viewpoint anymore. What is the purpose of
worrying about things that you have no control over. That fear and
anxiety serves no purpose, it will not help you. Fear of death is a
natural instinct to keep you alive. When that fear does not serve a
purpose, then it should be shed.
And that without
death, life would be mindless and futile.
The cupboard created by birth and death do exactly what for you?
You're gonna have to speak english for me.
English is capitalized when it refers to the language, in English.
You are framed in by the start and the end, birth and death. Why is that
so important to you?
You propose that obsessive fear of death is normal. I think Westerners
are conditioned to fear death. They preserve their bodies better than
mummies and store them in coffins. All their religions teach the
immortality of the ego, and that they are different from the animals.
If a person was never brought up in a religion that preached
immortality and never tempted by such an idea, would they have such an
obsessive fear of death? I don't think they would.
The fear of the end is what people respond to with defence mechanisms.
Reincarnation is no different in that aspect with an after life.
True (and I did not claim otherwise) but you avoid what I was getting
to.
You mean if a person never thought about living forever, he wouldn't
worry about it? What religions don't promote the idea that something
about us continues after our death?
Many, many religions. Have you ever read the Old Testament. In the
early Jewish religion, there was no life after death. As far as the
Jewish derived religions are concerned, the idea of the immortality of
the soul didn't get incorporated till the Persian influence.
I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
I think addressing the Angry Atheist, something that seems to be forever
affixed to the belief, is really the issue here. It's like the duelling
warriors telling each other (and thus themselves) and "seeing you in
Hell" is worth dying for. The Angry Atheist seeks solace in depriving
the religiously faithful of their hope.
I really think you are connecting too many dots and projecting too
much.
Projecting? Yang is clearly angry and clearly an atheist. I'm certainly
not angry.
I can only speak for myself, but theists get me angry because of
stupidity and dishonesty. But then again I don't consider myself to be
an angry person. Maybe I do not understand the angry atheist.
I think there is plenty of stupidity and dishonesty coming from the
atheist camp, but it doesn't particularly make me angry.
My proposition is that these "defense mechanisms" are fed by a cultural
environment of fear and false promises to cheat death.
Your own words, cheat death, suggest that you accept your end. That is
the resignation, the acceptance of the hand of cards we are all dealt.
Who is to say what the most healthy view is? It might mean that being an
atheist increases your need for prescribed antidepressants.
I am in a line of work where the majority of people are atheist. The
1-2 depressed persons I saw were in transition from theism to atheism.
So due to the bias of my experience, I believe it is the transition
from infinite promise to reality that causes depression.
Otherwise I observe that a persons mood, manners, and knowledge of
religion is absolutely not an indicator of the persons actual religious
beliefs. But then again, my environment is atypical.
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On 12 Jan 2006 18:56:13 +0100, "Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')"
<Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote:
I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
I think addressing the Angry Atheist, something that seems to be forever
affixed to the belief, is really the issue here. It's like the duelling
warriors telling each other (and thus themselves) and "seeing you in
Hell" is worth dying for. The Angry Atheist seeks solace in depriving
the religiously faithful of their hope.
Boo hoo, mean atheists won't leave little Chirstian delusions alone.
Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2211 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no."
-duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why
a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of
the Vietnam War.
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke loves to play
with little girls' nipples:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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18 Jan 2006 08:47:18 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:53les1t7fmpjj6h1htnr5qm8g3flpd6o8d@4ax.com...
On 12 Jan 2006 18:56:13 +0100, "Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')"
<Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote:
I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
I think addressing the Angry Atheist, something that seems to be forever
affixed to the belief, is really the issue here. It's like the duelling
warriors telling each other (and thus themselves) and "seeing you in
Hell" is worth dying for. The Angry Atheist seeks solace in depriving
the religiously faithful of their hope.
Boo hoo, mean atheists won't leave little Chirstian delusions alone.
oh look, the self righteous athiest can only resort to calling names.
spouting dogma. asserting the superiority of his own beliefs. he is not
strong enough in them to tolerate the beliefs of others. instead he must
continually belittle them, cry about them, demand that they be removed from
public view. he is no different than the brutal roman emperor. in fact, he
would prefer that model, forcing those he disdains into the catecombs of
society, so that he can walk his empire of the mind without reminder that he
is not absolute.
Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka
Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -2211 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no."
-duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net), aka PedophilEarl J Weber, 63
year old mateless, heirless biological failure
of Afton Oaks Apartment, Baton Rouge, on why
a Neocon chickenhawk like him pussied out of
the Vietnam War.
Contact duke's priest and ask
him why duke loves to play
with little girls' nipples:
http://www.stpatrickbr.org/
Father Gerard "Jerry" Martin
Saint Patrick Catholic Church
12424 Brogdon Lane
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816
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| Title: Re: Study: Really Smart People Reject Christianity (The Journal Nature) |
18 Jan 2006 08:53:12 AM |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:47:18 -0800, "Oh Look" <OhLook@LookAndSee.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
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On 12 Jan 2006 18:56:13 +0100, "Bill Bonde ('Soli Deo Gloria')"
<Pablo.Neruda@Il.Postino.it> wrote:
I think this is
strictly reserved for certain beliefs and attitudes, the Persian
concept of an immortal soul being one of them.
I think addressing the Angry Atheist, something that seems to be forever
affixed to the belief, is really the issue here. It's like the duelling
warriors telling each other (and thus themselves) and "seeing you in
Hell" is worth dying for. The Angry Atheist seeks solace in depriving
the religiously faithful of their hope.
Boo hoo, mean atheists won't leave little Chirstian delusions alone.
oh look, the self righteous athiest can only resort to calling names.
spouting dogma. asserting the superiority of his own beliefs. he is not
strong enough in them to tolerate the beliefs of others. instead he must
continually belittle them, cry about them, demand that they be removed from
public view. he is no different than the brutal roman emperor. in fact, he
would prefer that model, forcing those he disdains into the catecombs of
society, so that he can walk his empire of the mind without reminder that he
is not absolute.
oh look, yet another ignorant, stupid, lying christian who pretends he
doesn't understand that if his kind could only live and let live there
would be no negative reaction.
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