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"Another Apostate" |
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22 May 2004 12:25:52 PM |
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Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
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Another Apostate
anotherapo@hotmail.com
aa #2182
"Religion and sex are power plays
manipulate the people for the money they pay
selling skin...selling god
the numbers look the same on their credit cards"
-Queensryche "Spreading the disease"
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
22 May 2004 04:20:49 PM |
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"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> writes:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
So God is amateur?
Elf
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
22 May 2004 06:09:49 PM |
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3ad0017m6.fsf@drizzle.com...
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> writes:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
So God is amateur?
It DOES explain a lot...
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
24 May 2004 05:53:47 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:20:49 -0700, (Elf M. Sternberg),
Message ID: <m3ad0017m6.fsf@drizzle.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> writes:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
So God is amateur?
Amateur status is well beyond "God's" grasp. It's a hefty strain for it
to meet incompetant status.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
22 May 2004 01:19:34 PM |
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Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do
against an iceberg.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
22 May 2004 01:47:17 PM |
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In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do
against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden
ships, because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read
up on Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the world,
at the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today is a fine day for reality . . ."
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
22 May 2004 03:16:47 PM |
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Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden
ships, because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read
up on Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Well, it DID sink... :}
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
23 May 2004 01:05:22 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:17 -0700, Enkidu wrote:
In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden ships,
because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read up on
Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the world, at
the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
During WWII, the "Liberty ships" that carried supplies to England had to
be modified. The water of the North Atlantic was so cold, it made the
metal of the hull brittle, and the ships would break in half if stressed
too much in the middle. A reinforcing beam on each side running the
length of the hull above the waterline fixed the problem.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
26 May 2004 09:49:24 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:05:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.23.18.04.59.238317@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:17 -0700, Enkidu wrote:
In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden ships,
because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read up on
Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the world, at
the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
During WWII, the "Liberty ships" that carried supplies to England had to
be modified. The water of the North Atlantic was so cold, it made the
metal of the hull brittle, and the ships would break in half if stressed
too much in the middle. A reinforcing beam on each side running the
length of the hull above the waterline fixed the problem.
Amazing, wasn't it. Those things were built fast and shoddilly.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
27 May 2004 03:24:00 AM |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:49:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:05:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.23.18.04.59.238317@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:17 -0700, Enkidu wrote:
In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden ships,
because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read up on
Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the world, at
the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
During WWII, the "Liberty ships" that carried supplies to England had to
be modified. The water of the North Atlantic was so cold, it made the
metal of the hull brittle, and the ships would break in half if stressed
too much in the middle. A reinforcing beam on each side running the
length of the hull above the waterline fixed the problem.
Amazing, wasn't it. Those things were built fast and shoddilly.
Floating death traps with single un-lined hull.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
27 May 2004 08:47:05 AM |
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In article <4c9bb01llrdin5j74201dmeq1j90a56fvo@4ax.com>,
calee@optonline.net says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:49:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:05:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.23.18.04.59.238317@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:17 -0700, Enkidu wrote:
In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden ships,
because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read up on
Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the world, at
the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
During WWII, the "Liberty ships" that carried supplies to England had to
be modified. The water of the North Atlantic was so cold, it made the
metal of the hull brittle, and the ships would break in half if stressed
too much in the middle. A reinforcing beam on each side running the
length of the hull above the waterline fixed the problem.
Amazing, wasn't it. Those things were built fast and shoddilly.
Floating death traps with single un-lined hull.
Considering why they usually sank, would better construction have
helped? Simply having more targets for the u-boats might have made any
one sailor's chances of survival better because the ships were crappy,
but numerous!
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today is a fine day for reality . . ."
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
27 May 2004 06:32:40 AM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:24:00 +0000, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:49:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:05:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.23.18.04.59.238317@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:17 -0700, Enkidu wrote:
In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden
ships, because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read
up on Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the
world, at the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
During WWII, the "Liberty ships" that carried supplies to England had to
be modified. The water of the North Atlantic was so cold, it made the
metal of the hull brittle, and the ships would break in half if stressed
too much in the middle. A reinforcing beam on each side running the
length of the hull above the waterline fixed the problem.
Amazing, wasn't it. Those things were built fast and shoddilly.
Floating death traps with single un-lined hull.
Yea, but they got the job done. They could lay the keel on Monday
morning, and the finished ship was in the water, ready to go, on Friday
afternoon. That, coupled with better U-Boat hunting techniques, won the
war of the North Atlantic, and ultimately provided the resources for D-Day.
I just heard on NPR this AM about a book just published, about the 761st
Tank Battalion, an all-black tank unit in Patton's Third Army.
Considering that at the time, discrimination against blacks was considered
"the norm", they made some significant contributions to the war, that have
largely gone unrecognized. It sounds like an interesting read.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
27 May 2004 06:36:49 AM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:32:40 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:24:00 +0000, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:49:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:05:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.23.18.04.59.238317@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:17 -0700, Enkidu wrote:
In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden
ships, because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read
up on Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the
world, at the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
During WWII, the "Liberty ships" that carried supplies to England had to
be modified. The water of the North Atlantic was so cold, it made the
metal of the hull brittle, and the ships would break in half if stressed
too much in the middle. A reinforcing beam on each side running the
length of the hull above the waterline fixed the problem.
Amazing, wasn't it. Those things were built fast and shoddilly.
Floating death traps with single un-lined hull.
Yea, but they got the job done. They could lay the keel on Monday
morning, and the finished ship was in the water, ready to go, on Friday
afternoon. That, coupled with better U-Boat hunting techniques, won the
war of the North Atlantic, and ultimately provided the resources for D-Day.
Ther's one restored as a floating Museum in San Francisco. What
impressed me was the triple expansion steam engine.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
28 May 2004 10:36:40 AM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 11:32:40 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.27.11.32.15.415033@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
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I just heard on NPR this AM about a book just published, about the 761st
Tank Battalion, an all-black tank unit in Patton's Third Army.
Considering that at the time, discrimination against blacks was considered
"the norm", they made some significant contributions to the war, that have
largely gone unrecognized. It sounds like an interesting read.
http://www.761st.com/
Later referred to as the Black Panther Tank Battalion
761st Tank Battalion
.... This is a comprehensive record of the 761st Tank Battalion, the
first African American armored unit to enter combat. Assigned at ...
www.761st.com/index.php?page=Books - 18k
761st TANK BATTALION PRESIDENTIAL UNIT CITATION
THE PRESIDENTIAL UNIT CITATION (ARMY) FOR EXTRAORDINARY HEROISM TO THE
761st TANK BATTALION, UNITED STATES ARMY. The 761st Tank Battalion ...
members.aol.com/dignews/citation.htm
Looks interesting.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
28 May 2004 10:23:25 AM |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:24:00 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net>, Message ID:
<4c9bb01llrdin5j74201dmeq1j90a56fvo@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:49:24 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:05:22 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.23.18.04.59.238317@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:47:17 -0700, Enkidu wrote:
In article <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com>, says...
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do against an iceberg.
Actually, all the early arctic and antarctic explorers used wooden ships,
because the steel ships of the day were not tough enough. Read up on
Shakleton's "Endurance" for example.
Of course, those ships were built by the best shipwrights in the world, at
the height of their skill, not by amateurs.
During WWII, the "Liberty ships" that carried supplies to England had to
be modified. The water of the North Atlantic was so cold, it made the
metal of the hull brittle, and the ships would break in half if stressed
too much in the middle. A reinforcing beam on each side running the
length of the hull above the waterline fixed the problem.
Amazing, wasn't it. Those things were built fast and shoddilly.
Floating death traps with single un-lined hull.
I seem to recall they took a week to build.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
24 May 2004 05:52:22 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:19:34 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com>, Message
ID: <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do
against an iceberg.
They'd get the chills from a sinking feeling....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
24 May 2004 06:13:29 PM |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 15:52:22 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:19:34 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com>, Message
ID: <40AF9E01.7080508@sc.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Another Apostate wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
I'd like to see how well a wooden ark could do
against an iceberg.
A wooden ark would collapse from it's own weight as the water level
rose.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
23 May 2004 11:40:34 AM |
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In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
That would definitely be in the running if we realy had such a contest.
Gee whiz...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Another Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
23 May 2004 03:45:57 PM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-B4BECD.12403423052004@news01.east.earthlink.net...
In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
That would definitely be in the running if we realy had such a contest.
Gee whiz...
Maybe it is time we did.
Who heads up the EAC Anti-mobile Evangelism Department?
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
23 May 2004 05:13:08 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 20:45:57 GMT, "Another Apostate"
<AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-B4BECD.12403423052004@news01.east.earthlink.net...
In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
That would definitely be in the running if we realy had such a contest.
Gee whiz...
Maybe it is time we did.
Who heads up the EAC Anti-mobile Evangelism Department?
How about just a stupid bumper sticker's list - with just a nomination
and a second to get it on?
Wouldn't take a lot of extra time to add that in.
Notice I'm not volunteering to keep it. :)
Kate
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| User: "The Watcher" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
23 May 2004 10:25:53 PM |
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On 23 May 2004 17:13:08 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
(piggybacking)
On Sun, 23 May 2004 20:45:57 GMT, "Another Apostate"
<AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-B4BECD.12403423052004@news01.east.earthlink.net...
In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
I've heard professsionals discussing building an Ark to the specifications in
the christian bible. They said the thing would not float, and if it did float it
wouldn't be able to hold all those animals and their food for a year, so
something is flaky about that whole story. Big surprise there, eh?
(snip)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
23 May 2004 02:32:52 AM |
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In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"Another Apostate" <AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
Yeah, but only one is real.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
22 May 2004 02:41:44 PM |
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In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
AnotherApo@hotmail.com says...
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
The Hebrew god does come across as something of an amateur, I agree.
Causing a worldwide flood to deal with sin seems amateur in the extreme.
But the hebrew scribes also did a rather amateur job of plagiarizing the
story from previous cultures as well.
Professionals built the Titanic
There was nothing wrong with the way that the ship was built. Many
other ships built approximately like the Titanic have survived for
decades. However, those ships weren't sailed into icebergs or otherwise
had their hulls damaged.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Stupid bumper sticker of the month nomination |
23 May 2004 01:02:17 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 13:41:44 -0600, quibbler wrote:
In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
AnotherApo@hotmail.com says...
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
The Hebrew god does come across as something of an amateur, I agree.
Causing a worldwide flood to deal with sin seems amateur in the extreme.
But the hebrew scribes also did a rather amateur job of plagiarizing the
story from previous cultures as well.
Professionals built the Titanic
There was nothing wrong with the way that the ship was built. Many
other ships built approximately like the Titanic have survived for
decades. However, those ships weren't sailed into icebergs or otherwise
had their hulls damaged.
I had heard at one point that the reason the Titanic sunk was because its
hull was riveted together. Welding had not been perfected for such large
scale projects at the time. When the Titanic rubbed along the iceberg,
the heads of the rivets got sheared off, opening a hole in the hull that
was much larger than it would have been if it had been welded.
While we are on the subject, there is a little-known Greek manuscript that
describes a civilization created by God before Adam and Eve. Yaweh
flooded the world back then, too, and had an ark with all the animals.
That ark hit an iceberg and sank, thereby killing all the people and
animals left in the world. As the ark went down, a booming voice from on
high was heard to say, "*****! Now I have to start from scratch."
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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23 May 2004 01:40:28 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
I had heard at one point that the reason the Titanic sunk was because its
hull was riveted together. Welding had not been perfected for such large
scale projects at the time. When the Titanic rubbed along the iceberg,
the heads of the rivets got sheared off, opening a hole in the hull that
was much larger than it would have been if it had been welded.
(snip)
This doesn't make sense to me. I can't see any way a piece of ice can
cut off rivet heads. It is very easy for me to imagine that rivet
heads would smear through lots of ice. The big failure mode is
brittle fracture where steel is under tension because ice pushes a
bulge into the hull, stretching it. Rivets may cause higher stress
concentrations than a weld line, but brittle fracture could have
happened in either case.
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John Popelish
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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23 May 2004 03:58:40 PM |
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John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in
news:40B0F01C.E1D65B88@rica.net:
MarkA wrote:
I had heard at one point that the reason the Titanic sunk was because
its hull was riveted together. Welding had not been perfected for
such large scale projects at the time. When the Titanic rubbed along
the iceberg, the heads of the rivets got sheared off, opening a hole
in the hull that was much larger than it would have been if it had
been welded.
(snip)
This doesn't make sense to me. I can't see any way a piece of ice can
cut off rivet heads. It is very easy for me to imagine that rivet
heads would smear through lots of ice. The big failure mode is
brittle fracture where steel is under tension because ice pushes a
bulge into the hull, stretching it. Rivets may cause higher stress
concentrations than a weld line, but brittle fracture could have
happened in either case.
As I recall, brittle fracture was the primary problem with Titanic, but I
can't remember if it was limited to just the hull plates or if it included
the rivets. It's been a while since I saw the documentary it was discussed
in. I seem to remember that the hull plates buckled in the impact and
"unzipped" rivets--but I could be remembering the story of the U.S.S. Maine
(coal bunker fire reached the powder magazine, blew the bow off, and the
sinking of the ship in Havana Harbor helped in the push for war in 1899).
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Dr. Smartass is unnaturally high in carbohydrates, fats, and sodium.
Consult your physician before consuming Dr. Smartass.
Try New "Religion Pockets!" Flaky crust with a tasty ***** center!
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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25 May 2004 06:17:39 AM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:40:28 -0400, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net>
wrote:
MarkA wrote:
I had heard at one point that the reason the Titanic sunk was because its
hull was riveted together. Welding had not been perfected for such large
scale projects at the time. When the Titanic rubbed along the iceberg,
the heads of the rivets got sheared off, opening a hole in the hull that
was much larger than it would have been if it had been welded.
(snip)
This doesn't make sense to me. I can't see any way a piece of ice can
cut off rivet heads. It is very easy for me to imagine that rivet
heads would smear through lots of ice. The big failure mode is
brittle fracture where steel is under tension because ice pushes a
bulge into the hull, stretching it. Rivets may cause higher stress
concentrations than a weld line, but brittle fracture could have
happened in either case.
The Titanic, sank, because people still believe, and risk their lives
on, "IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN TO ME".
Titanic was built with bulkhead doors that were designed to be kept
shut, against just such an eventuality, but the power of "IT COULD
NEVER HAPPEN TO ME", cut in, and the doors were left open.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 May 2004 09:51:23 PM |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:02:17 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net>, Message
ID: <pan.2004.05.23.18.01.53.774699@stopspam.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sat, 22 May 2004 13:41:44 -0600, quibbler wrote:
In article <A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
AnotherApo@hotmail.com says...
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
The Hebrew god does come across as something of an amateur, I agree.
Causing a worldwide flood to deal with sin seems amateur in the extreme.
But the hebrew scribes also did a rather amateur job of plagiarizing the
story from previous cultures as well.
Professionals built the Titanic
There was nothing wrong with the way that the ship was built. Many
other ships built approximately like the Titanic have survived for
decades. However, those ships weren't sailed into icebergs or otherwise
had their hulls damaged.
I had heard at one point that the reason the Titanic sunk was because its
hull was riveted together. Welding had not been perfected for such large
scale projects at the time. When the Titanic rubbed along the iceberg,
the heads of the rivets got sheared off, opening a hole in the hull that
was much larger than it would have been if it had been welded.
That's what was thought. Turns out the steel turned brittle at those
water temperatures.
While we are on the subject, there is a little-known Greek manuscript that
describes a civilization created by God before Adam and Eve. Yaweh
flooded the world back then, too, and had an ark with all the animals.
That ark hit an iceberg and sank, thereby killing all the people and
animals left in the world. As the ark went down, a booming voice from on
high was heard to say, "*****! Now I have to start from scratch."
Then...DAMN! I've got the itch, but I haven't got the scratch....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "" |
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22 May 2004 06:09:58 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:25:52 GMT, "Another Apostate"
<AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
They can't find the Ark. They found the Titanic, they're just arguing
about who gets the money.
Actually, my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great,
great, great, great (or so) grand-aunt left me the ark: her brother
stuck her with it. It's in my back yard, I wired it up for use as a
bug-zapper, you should see my electric bill!! I had to equip it with a
bright light to attract the bugs from my gas grill and cookout area.
Talk about stench!! It's useful for lots of other stuff, but you'll
have to come here with lots of valuable drugs to see it.
I may consider cutting it up into domino (not the pizza) size pieces
and sell the pieces on d or f bay, (e bay is too small, actually it's
too big for any of the bays around here and in hex there's nothing
after f without getting complicated) just to get rid of it. The fire
dept won't let me burn it, and I'm not sure that would improve my
dilemma since I think that's where the bugs and stench come from
anyway. Burnt animals etc stink, too. I might as well try to defray
the costs of having tried to keep it. Besides, my neighbors would be
ecstatic: they've wanted to have me get rid of it for years, they
might withdraw their lawsuits.
Believe me, it's a real pain in the *****, neck, head and about
everywhere else.
If all that seems mixed up, don't worry. It is. But here's the message
for those who believe it: do not vote for anyone in the GOP.
Everyone else knows better.
We'll fix this problem, too bad we have to wait until November, then
January 20 to even begin to re-establish America.
drift
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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22 May 2004 08:25:50 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:25:52 GMT, "Another Apostate"
<AnotherApo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
What's with everybody saying God built the ark? I'm pretty sure Noah
did that.
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 May 2004 05:51:45 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:25:52 GMT, "Another Apostate"
<AnotherApo@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<A2Mrc.6959$2H2.5628@fe2.columbus.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Just saw this one:
Amateurs built the Ark
Professionals built the Titanic
sigh....
Wrong on so many levels.
Indeed. And these morons are encouraged to breed and vote.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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