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Religions > Atheism |
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"dgillesp" |
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29 Jan 2005 04:44:22 PM |
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Suicide (cont'd) |
Graham Kennedy wrote:
david ford wrote:
If you're thinking about committing suicide, don't do it. Troubles
will
pass in time, and you will rebound.
That's not always true, you know. Some troubles never
go away, and some people never rebound.
Your life is a gift from God, and
you have no right to take away your life.
Personally, I can think of nothing that is MORE yours
to take.
Not to mention the pain and suffering your suicide bequeaths to family
and friends, who will blame themselves to their dying day for failing
you in some important way. Suicide for some is an excellent way to get
even with those you think have wronged you: "See what you made me do,
you dirty *****(s)! Now live with that guilt the rest of your
life!" Which used to be called, 'cutting off your nose to spite your
face.'
No man is an island, and your life does not belong to you alone, to take
with no thought for what it will do to others.
Denny
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide (cont'd) |
30 Jan 2005 01:36:23 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
....
Not to mention the pain and suffering your suicide bequeaths to family
and friends, who will blame themselves to their dying day for failing
you in some important way. Suicide for some is an excellent way to get
even with those you think have wronged you: "See what you made me do,
you dirty *****(s)! Now live with that guilt the rest of your
life!" Which used to be called, 'cutting off your nose to spite your
face.'
The suicide that I mentioned in another thread has taken place.
http://tinyurl.com/3vf2z
No noses were cut off; no faces were spited.
What is the response from your absurd world view?
Regards,
Josef
The most important truths are likely to be those which...society at that
time least wants to hear.
-- W. H. Auden
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide (cont'd) |
30 Jan 2005 03:01:49 AM |
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Josef Balluch wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
...
Not to mention the pain and suffering your suicide bequeaths to family
and friends, who will blame themselves to their dying day for failing
you in some important way. Suicide for some is an excellent way to get
even with those you think have wronged you: "See what you made me do,
you dirty *****(s)! Now live with that guilt the rest of your
life!" Which used to be called, 'cutting off your nose to spite your
face.'
The suicide that I mentioned in another thread has taken place.
http://tinyurl.com/3vf2z
No noses were cut off; no faces were spited.
What is the response from your absurd world view?
Circumstances alters cases.
Denny
Regards,
Josef
The most important truths are likely to be those which...society at that
time least wants to hear.
-- W. H. Auden
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide (cont'd) |
30 Jan 2005 03:13:16 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Josef Balluch wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
...
Not to mention the pain and suffering your suicide bequeaths to family
and friends, who will blame themselves to their dying day for failing
you in some important way. Suicide for some is an excellent way to get
even with those you think have wronged you: "See what you made me do,
you dirty *****(s)! Now live with that guilt the rest of your
life!" Which used to be called, 'cutting off your nose to spite your
face.'
The suicide that I mentioned in another thread has taken place.
http://tinyurl.com/3vf2z
No noses were cut off; no faces were spited.
What is the response from your absurd world view?
Circumstances alters cases.
So your world view actually makes this claim? How convenient that your
world view allows for that type of subjectivity. That must be the nice
thing about your mythology; you can make it up as you go.
BTW, Denny, is your claim official dogma? My own research finds that
suicide is not acceptable to the Eastern Orthodox church.
From: http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/religions/engraph/religions12_e.asp
"The Eastern Orthodox Churches are opposed to euthanasia. Assisting in
euthanasia is considered murder. Voluntary choice of euthanasia by the
ill person is considered suicide."
"Those who committ suicide are considered to have died outside the
Church and are not granted Church funeral rites."
From: http://www.euthanasia.com/orthch.html
"The Orthodox Church has a very strong pro-life stand which in part
expresses itself in opposition to doctrinaire advocacy of euthanasia."
From: http://www.orthodoxunity.org/news03.html
"Euthanasia decisions violate this order of God's dispensation; no
matter how well-meaning, how seemingly merciful, deliberate euthanasia
is a substitution of man's sinful reasoning for God's judgement, an
interference with God's plan."
Regards,
Josef
Faith is an absolutely marvelous tool. With faith there is no belief
that cannot be justified.
-- Donald Morgan
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide (cont'd) |
30 Jan 2005 10:09:48 PM |
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Josef Balluch wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Josef Balluch wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
...
Not to mention the pain and suffering your suicide bequeaths to family
and friends, who will blame themselves to their dying day for failing
you in some important way. Suicide for some is an excellent way to get
even with those you think have wronged you: "See what you made me do,
you dirty *****(s)! Now live with that guilt the rest of your
life!" Which used to be called, 'cutting off your nose to spite your
face.'
The suicide that I mentioned in another thread has taken place.
http://tinyurl.com/3vf2z
No noses were cut off; no faces were spited.
What is the response from your absurd world view?
Circumstances alters cases.
So your world view actually makes this claim? How convenient that your
world view allows for that type of subjectivity. That must be the nice
thing about your mythology; you can make it up as you go.
BTW, Denny, is your claim official dogma? My own research finds that
suicide is not acceptable to the Eastern Orthodox church.
Very true. I never claim to be totally consistent as many atheists claim to
be. Most rules have exceptions, but if we are to err, better to err on the side
of pro-life whether the issue be euthanasia or abortion. Human nature being
what it is, we look for the easiest way out when caught in an unfavorable
situation. E.g., I remember the days when divorce was relatively rare, the last
resort for troubled marriages, but that is no more. Rather than face up to
reality and in many cases grow up, couples now think it much easier and quite
acceptable to split up. Marriage is a school for character, fidelity, patience,
and self-denial for the sake of one's spouse's. But such virtues are out of
favor these days, so self-fulfillment and "my happiness" now come first. Divorce
is almost always a painful, costly, and disintegrating experience, especially for
children who usually blames themselves for it. I digress only to illustrate how
public acceptance of divorce has played into the hands of the immature and
self-centered who want what they want when they want it and think that is
happiness.
The same process works in the abortion debacle, and would also be the case with
euthanasia. First, it becomes legal. Then it becomes quite publicly
acceptable. And finally what was originally an exception has now become the
rule. Another instance of Murphy's law it is, or as Christians see it, the human
condition (ancestral sin).
Denny
From: http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/religions/engraph/religions12_e.asp
"The Eastern Orthodox Churches are opposed to euthanasia. Assisting in
euthanasia is considered murder. Voluntary choice of euthanasia by the
ill person is considered suicide."
"Those who committ suicide are considered to have died outside the
Church and are not granted Church funeral rites."
From: http://www.euthanasia.com/orthch.html
"The Orthodox Church has a very strong pro-life stand which in part
expresses itself in opposition to doctrinaire advocacy of euthanasia."
From: http://www.orthodoxunity.org/news03.html
"Euthanasia decisions violate this order of God's dispensation; no
matter how well-meaning, how seemingly merciful, deliberate euthanasia
is a substitution of man's sinful reasoning for God's judgement, an
interference with God's plan."
Regards,
Josef
Faith is an absolutely marvelous tool. With faith there is no belief
that cannot be justified.
-- Donald Morgan
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide (cont'd) |
30 Jan 2005 11:29:14 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Josef Balluch wrote:
....
So your world view actually makes this claim? How convenient that your
world view allows for that type of subjectivity. That must be the nice
thing about your mythology; you can make it up as you go.
BTW, Denny, is your claim official dogma? My own research finds that
suicide is not acceptable to the Eastern Orthodox church.
Very true. I never claim to be totally consistent as many atheists claim to
be.
How convenient for you.
Most rules have exceptions, ...
I'll wager that it is YOU who decides which ones qualify.
... but if we are to err, better to err on the side
of pro-life whether the issue be euthanasia or abortion.
But an error is still an error, Denny. Why is one error more preferable
to another?
[ snip sermon ]
The same process works in the abortion debacle, and would also be the case with
euthanasia. First, it becomes legal. Then it becomes quite publicly
acceptable. And finally what was originally an exception has now become the
rule. Another instance of Murphy's law it is, or as Christians see it, the human
condition (ancestral sin).
The concept of sin commits the Naturalistic Fallacy.
Regards,
Josef
Man is unhappy because he is ignorant of nature.
-- Paul-Henri Holbach
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide (cont'd) |
29 Jan 2005 05:40:11 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:44:22 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net>
said in alt.atheism:
No man is an island, and your life does not belong to you alone, to take
with no thought for what it will do to others.
On the other hand, no man has any right to force another to stay alive
against his wishes.
--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise
as false, and by the rulers as useful."
- Seneca the Younger
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Roy Culley" |
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| Title: Re: Suicide (cont'd) |
29 Jan 2005 08:43:16 PM |
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begin <0jinv0hnt9fvd7dqocbhm46a95eim6a6to@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:44:22 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@nospam.net>
said in alt.atheism:
No man is an island, and your life does not belong to you alone, to take
with no thought for what it will do to others.
On the other hand, no man has any right to force another to stay alive
against his wishes.
That suicide is painless.
It brings on many changes.
And I can take or leave it if I please.
MASH still one of my all time favourite movies. Couldn't stand the TV
series as they were such a poor ripoff IMHO.
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