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'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
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'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble
Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language
Updated: 10:30 p.m. ET Jan. 19, 2006
These days a Navy man can get into deep trouble for using foul language
or swear words. Navy Lieutenant Brian Black, a member of the faculty at
the U.S. Naval Academy faces a special court-martial and three criminal
charges for allegedly using foul and sexually suggestive language in the
presence of an especially sensitive female midshipman.
Black‘s attorney, Charles Gittins, says the Navy is making an example of
his client so show it‘s serious about rooting out sexual harassment at
the academy.
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson on ‘Situation’ to discuss his client’s
case.
TUCKER CARLSON, HOST, 'SITUATION': I think a lot of our viewers have
got to be staring in disbelief and thinking there must be more to this
story. Your client must have done something appalling to this
midshipman to wind up being court-martialed. Tell us briefly what
exactly he did.
CHARLES GITTINS, BRIAN BLACK‘S ATTORNEY: He had a couple of
conversations that female midshipmen overheard. He was speaking with
men.
CARLSON: He wasn‘t even speaking to the women here?
GITTINS: No, no most cases not. In one particular case he did speak to
the midshipmen Fox personally, and he said something that was probably
not appropriate.
CARLSON: What did he say?
GITTINS: It certainly wasn‘t a crime. I can‘t repeat it on here.
CARLSON: Characterize it for—did he say I want to sleep with you? I
mean, give us one sense of what he said.
GITTINS: He commented on a battleship and how battleships got him
excited.
CARLSON: Give him an erection looking at a battleship, basically.
GITTINS: Exactly.
CARLSON: That‘s it?
GITTINS: And said something to the female, about, you know, doesn‘t it
do the same for you? And the midshipman responded and then my client
realized that he‘d gone probably over the line. And he cut off the
conversation, and he apologized for it the following day.
He apologized and the midshipmen accepted his apology and she considered
the matter closed. She had no intention of making a sexual harassment
claim.
Another female officer, who didn‘t particularly care for my client
decided to bring it to the attention of the superintendent of the naval
academy, who‘s under a lot of pressure for the handling of sexual
assaults at the naval academy..
CARLSON: But according to the “Washington Post,‘ this midshipman,
Foxton.
GITTINS: That‘s correct.
CARLSON: Whose name is not being disclosed by the “Washington Post,”
because the case involved sexual harassment charges, like she‘s been
raped or something.
Choked up as she testified yesterday, choked up, saying she was, quote,
appalled by Black‘s comments. So it sounds like she was deeply wounded
by his saying that he was aroused by a battleship.
GITTINS: Well, during the course of the apology with another midshipman
present, she actually told my client that she went to another officer to
find out if she should be offended. And she told my client with another
midshipman present that she hears worse language in the hall all the
time.
CARLSON: Is this midshipman of if the people who are supposed to be
defending our country from armed invaders.
GITTINS: Yes, she is. It‘s very sad.
CARLSON: Do you think that she‘s up to that task, someone who‘s, quote,
appalled by someone saying he‘s aroused by a battle ship. Do you think
she‘s going to be ready to face down the people who want to kill us?
GITTINS: No. The problem is we‘re babying midshipman at the Naval
Academy.
CARLSON: So what could happen to your client? What kind of punishment
is he facing?
GITTINS: A federal conviction for using inappropriate language.
CARLSON: So what does that mean?
GITTINS: A federal conviction is a federal conviction. He could be
denied the right to vote. He could be denied the right to possess a
firearm. It‘s a terrible thing.
CARLSON: It‘s actually shocking. Now, your contention is the academy
or the Navy itself is using him as an example to show that they‘re
cracking down on sexual harassment. Is sexual harassment, getting
better, do you think, at the Naval academy?
GITTINS: Well, I don‘t think the midshipmen are being provided the
correct definition of sexual harassment. There‘s a book that the Navy
puts out that midshipman, who I questioned under had never seen before.
If you‘ve got a problem with sexual harassment, you ought to be putting
out the Navy‘s booklet on how to handle it and how to handle
inappropriate behavior and interactions between adult males and females.
CARLSON: I couldn‘t agree more. And I must say, just again, the idea
that our country is supposedly being defended by people who can‘t even
handle, you know, dirty word in public, who choke up remembering someone
using a naughty phrase, just makes me shiver.
I mean, people like that are not capable of protecting anyone, much less
our nation.
© 2006 MSNBC Interactive
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In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
24 Jan 2006 03:51:50 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
I agree, isn't that the silliest affectation you ever saw?
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
25 Jan 2006 03:25:33 PM |
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In <1138139510.280601.312550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "skyeyes"
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
I agree, isn't that the silliest affectation you ever saw?
I'm betting he has William F. Buckley posters tacked up all over his
bedroom...
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
25 Jan 2006 02:33:54 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2006 13:51:50 -0800, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
I agree, isn't that the silliest affectation you ever saw?
Nah. Bush's affection of intelligence gets that vote.
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
24 Jan 2006 03:38:20 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
I know.
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
25 Jan 2006 03:25:43 PM |
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In <4i7dt19egtsquv5899ri11hpdqu9leu473@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
I know.
I keep waiting for it to spin...
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
26 Jan 2006 12:10:41 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:25:43 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <4i7dt19egtsquv5899ri11hpdqu9leu473@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
I know.
I keep waiting for it to spin...
GMTA.
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
23 Jan 2006 08:06:40 PM |
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On or about Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0600 did "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> dribble thusly:
In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
Or his idiocy in general.
But on this point, I find myself agreeing with the substance of what
he's saying, if not the style.
Being subjected to 'naughty' words does not constitute sexual
harassment. Anyone who can't handle 'salty' language has no business
being in any job that involves the requirement to perform under
stress.
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
25 Jan 2006 03:26:38 PM |
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In <hq2bt1lre3q25ecrhvkqt0v78achr1up8i@4ax.com>, Mike Ruskai
<BUTthannydI@DONTearthlinkLIKE.netSPAM> wrote:
On or about Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0600 did "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> dribble thusly:
In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
Or his idiocy in general.
But on this point, I find myself agreeing with the substance of what he's
saying, if not the style.
Being subjected to 'naughty' words does not constitute sexual harassment.
Anyone who can't handle 'salty' language has no business being in any job
that involves the requirement to perform under stress.
I gotta admit, this one's pretty damn silly. I mean where did this person
think "swearing like a sailor" came from?
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Mark K. Bilbo
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http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
26 Jan 2006 12:10:27 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:26:38 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <hq2bt1lre3q25ecrhvkqt0v78achr1up8i@4ax.com>, Mike Ruskai
<BUTthannydI@DONTearthlinkLIKE.netSPAM> wrote:
On or about Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0600 did "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> dribble thusly:
In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
Or his idiocy in general.
But on this point, I find myself agreeing with the substance of what he's
saying, if not the style.
Being subjected to 'naughty' words does not constitute sexual harassment.
Anyone who can't handle 'salty' language has no business being in any job
that involves the requirement to perform under stress.
I gotta admit, this one's pretty damn silly. I mean where did this person
think "swearing like a sailor" came from?
I'm sorry, but you used the word 'think' in conjunction with the
individual.
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| Title: Re: 'Swearing like a sailor' gets Navy man in trouble Navy Lt. Brian Black faces court-martial for use of foul language |
24 Jan 2006 03:39:33 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:06:40 GMT, Mike Ruskai
<BUTthannydI@DONTearthlinkLIKE.netSPAM> wrote in alt.atheism
On or about Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:37:53 -0600 did "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> dribble thusly:
In <rip8t15qvln5prhfvv13fsdi09raq3j9ig@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:
Gittins joined Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry, I can't get past the bow tie...
Or his idiocy in general.
That too.
But on this point, I find myself agreeing with the substance of what
he's saying, if not the style.
Being subjected to 'naughty' words does not constitute sexual
harassment. Anyone who can't handle 'salty' language has no business
being in any job that involves the requirement to perform under
stress.
Exactly. And they're reich, the Navy is seeking to make an example
case. Idiot brass always does so.
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