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Tammy Faye dies at 65. (Hey, JD.. explain this one!) |
Tammy Faye Messner Dies at 65
(my comments in parenthesis)
http://tinyurl.com/39gfwf
Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim,
build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then saw it collapse
in disgrace, has died. She was 65.
Messner, who had battled colon cancer since 1996 that more recently
spread to her lungs, died peacefully at her home Friday, said her
booking agent, Joe Spotts, in an e-mail. A family service was held
Saturday in a private cemetery, where her ashes were interred, he
said.
She had frequently spoken about her medical problems, saying she hoped
to be an inspiration to others. "Don't let fear rule your life," she
said. "Live one day at a time, and never be afraid." But she told
well-wishers in a note on her Web site in May that the doctors had
stopped trying to treat the cancer.
In an interview with CNN's Larry King two months later, an emaciated
Messner still using her trademark makeup said, "I believe when I
leave this earth, because I love the Lord, I'm going straight to
heaven." Asked if she had any regrets, Messner said: "I don't think
about it, Larry, because it's a waste of good brain space."
(Going to straight to Heaven?
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.)
For many, the TV image of then-Mrs. Bakker forgiving husband Jim's
infidelities, tears streaking her cheeks with mascara, became a symbol
for the wages of greed and hypocrisy in 1980s America.
She divorced her husband of 30 years, with whom she had two children,
in 1992 while he was in prison for defrauding millions from followers
of their PTL television ministries. The letters stood for "Praise the
Lord" or "People that Love."
(I prefer "People That Loot")
Jim Bakker said in a statement that his ex-wife "lived her life like
the song she sang, 'If Life Hands You a Lemon, Make Lemonade.'"
"She is now in Heaven with her mother and grandmother and Jesus
Christ, the one who she loves and has served from childbirth," he
said. "That is the comfort I can give to all who loved her."
(Since when is Jim Bakker, convicted felon, known adulterer and
bisexual, an authority on who God has let into Heaven?)
Messner's second husband also served time in prison. She married Roe
Messner, who had been the chief builder of the Bakkers' Heritage USA
Christian theme park near Fort Mill, S.C., in 1993. In 1995, he was
convicted of bankruptcy fraud, and he spent about two years in prison.
(Another fine Christian.)
Through it all, Messner kept plugging her faith and herself. She did
concerts, a short-lived secular TV talk show and an inspirational
videotape. In 2004, she cooperated in the making of a documentary
about her struggle with cancer, called "Tammy Faye: Death Defying."
("Death Defying"? More like "Milking My Illness for Money While Most
People Just Deal With It.")
"I wanted to help people ... maybe show the inside (of the experience)
and make it a little less frightening," she said.
(I've seen the documentary. It has very little to do with the
realities of dealing with cancer, and everything with making Tammy
Faye a martyr.)
That same year, she appeared on the WB reality show "The Surreal
Life," co-starring with rapper Vanilla Ice, ex-porn star Ron Jeremy
and others. She told King in 2004 that she didn't know who Jeremy was
when they met and they became friends.
Messner was never charged with a crime in connection with the Bakker
scandal. She said she counted the costs in other ways.
(That is one of the great miscarriages of justice in the 20th
Century.)
"I know what it's like to hit rock bottom," she said in promotional
material for her 1996 video "You Can Make It."
(Hardly. she was never homeless, or even close to it. Never broke,
never forgotten, and never faced having to chose between food and
prescription medication that is allowing you to work ten hours a
week.)
In the mid-1980s, the Bakkers were on top, ruling over a ministry that
claimed 500,000 followers. Their "Jim and Tammy Show," part TV talk
show, part evangelism meeting, was seen across the country. Heritage
USA boasted a 500-room hotel, shopping mall, convention center,
water-amusement park, TV studio and several real-estate developments.
PTL employed about 2,000 people.
(All of whom lost their jobs. At the counrty lost a huge portion of
their tax base.)
Then in March 1987, Bakker resigned, admitting he had a tryst with
Jessica Hahn, a 32-year-old former church secretary.
(Such a great Christian minister!)
Tammy Faye Bakker stuck with her disgraced husband through five stormy
years of tabloid headlines as the ministry unraveled.
(And dumped him once he was in prison and the media went away.)
Prosecutors said the PTL organization sold more than 150,000 "lifetime
partnerships" promising lodging at the theme park but did not build
enough hotel space with the $158 million in proceeds. At his fraud
trial, Jim Bakker was accused of diverting $3.7 million to personal
use even though he knew the ministry was financially shaky. Trial
testimony showed PTL paid $265,000 to Hahn to cover up the sexual
encounter with the minister.
Jim Bakker was convicted in 1989 of 24 fraud and conspiracy counts and
sentenced to 45 years. The sentence was later reduced, and he was
freed in 1994. He said that his wife's decision to leave him had been
"like a meat hook deep in my heart. I couldn't eat for days."
(Poor baby. The people you screwed lost more than a few meals.)
While not charged, his then-wife shared during the 1980s in the public
criticism and ridicule over the couple's extravagance, including the
reportedly gold-plated bathroom fixtures and an air-conditioned
doghouse.
(Because Jesus was all about getting rich, y'know?)
There was even a popular T-shirt satirizing her image. The shirt read,
"I ran into Tammy Faye at the shopping mall," with the lettering on
top of what look like clots of mascara, traces of lipstick and smudges
of peach-toned makeup.
(I owned one of those.)
In a 1992 letter to her New Covenant Church in Orlando, Fla., she
explained why she finally was seeking a divorce.
"For years I have been pretending that everything is all right, when
in fact I hurt all the time," she wrote.
"I cannot pretend anymore."
(Remember, these were the same people who attacked gays for destroying
the family.)
In the end, there wasn't any property to divide, her attorney said.
The Bakkers lost their luxury homes in North Carolina, California and
Tennessee, their fleet of Cadillacs and Mercedeses, and their vintage
Rolls-Royce.
(Tough *****.)
Her autobiography, "I Gotta Be Me," recounts a childhood as Tammy Faye
LaValley, one of eight children of a poor family in International
Falls, Minn. Her biological father walked out. She was reticent about
her age, but a 2000 profile of her in the Star Tribune of Minneapolis
said she was born in March 1942.
(Dishonest about everything. And who gives a ***** you were poor? A lot
of people are born poor and don't grow up to screw thousands.)
She recalled trying eye makeup for the first time, then wiping it off
for fear it was the devil's work. Then she thought again.
"Why can't I do this?" she asked. "If it makes me look prettier, why
can't I do this?"
(Gotta love it.. Self-justification at such an early age!)
She married Bakker in 1961, after they met at North Central Bible
College in Minneapolis. Beginning with a children's puppet act, they
created a religious show that brought a fundamentalist Protestant
message to millions.
A secular TV talk program, the "Jim J. and Tammy Faye Show" with
co-host Jim J. Bullock, lasted just six weeks in early 1996. Shortly
after it went off the air, she underwent surgery for colon cancer.
She said afterward that she endured bleeding for a year because she
was embarrassed to go to a male doctor. And she wore her makeup even
in surgery.
(How fucking stupid can you be??? The freaking surgeons had her guts
in a tray during the operation.. she was afraid to show off her ***** to
a doctor after that? This, and the make-up fetish, is very telling.)
"They didn't make me take it off," she said. "I had wonderful doctors
and understanding nurses. I went in fully made up and came out fully
made up."
(Fucking moron. One of the clues used to judge the effects of
anesthesa is skin color.)
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While I feel sympathy for her family and friends, and am saddened that
cancer has claimed another victim, I cannot mourn a woman who did so
much harm to so many people.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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22 Jul 2007 02:20:54 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
(Because Jesus was all about getting rich, y'know?)
To a Calvinist, yes.
And, yeah, there's a strong element of Calvinism amongst
the Baptists tele-scammers.
Years ago I used to listen to Bob Larson, more or less for
the same mindless entertainment value I currently get out
of "Coast To Coast AM."
Anyhow, I'd often switch the radio over a few minutes early
(it was a Baptist radio station), and I'd hear these psychos
going off.
The way they explained it was that they took a very small
percentage of the "ministry's" income -- something like
1-4%. Anyhow, if they took in tens of millions of dollars
they'd soon be rich. But that's okay. Heck, better than
simply "okay," it was down right desirable. Why? Because
you'll only get rich if "the ministry" is raking it in, and "the
ministry" will only be raking it in if God is pleased with
what you're doing.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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22 Jul 2007 02:04:42 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:rnf5a3d4cp2fjeb4lg5oqqrhavu6c7k766@4ax.com...
Tammy Faye Messner Dies at 65
(my comments in parenthesis)
http://tinyurl.com/39gfwf
Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim,
build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then saw it collapse
in disgrace, has died. She was 65.
I just read the article on yahoo.
I've got two words to describe her.
Plucky. Clueless.
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22 Jul 2007 02:29:02 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote
[----snip---]
This is all quite tasteless.
I actually liked Tammy Faye. Sure, she was a religious
not, but she never hid it, often made fun of herself &
didn't see her beliefs as a weapon to be used against
others.
As a religious whack job, for example, she towed the
party line of homosexuality, and then turned right around
and openly courted a gay audience. She was perfectly
happy to "Live and let live," and I for one can not find any
fault in that.
Was she a media hound? Oh, yes. Definitely. She wanted
to be a celebrity, and she actively sought it out.
Then again, that describes absolutely EVERYBODY on
TV or in the movies....
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| User: "Barbi" |
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22 Jul 2007 07:39:53 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185089342.861375.195710@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote
[----snip---]
This is all quite tasteless.
I actually liked Tammy Faye. Sure, she was a religious
not, but she never hid it, often made fun of herself &
didn't see her beliefs as a weapon to be used against
others.
As a religious whack job, for example, she towed the
party line of homosexuality, and then turned right around
and openly courted a gay audience. She was perfectly
happy to "Live and let live," and I for one can not find any
fault in that.
Was she a media hound? Oh, yes. Definitely. She wanted
to be a celebrity, and she actively sought it out.
Then again, that describes absolutely EVERYBODY on
TV or in the movies....
"I refuse to label people," Ms. Messner said in a 2000 documentary, "The
Eyes of
Tammy Faye," when asked about her attitudes toward gay rights. "We're all
just
people made out of the same old dirt, and God didn't make any junk."
In the end I think she did far more good than harm in this world. She was
one of a kind and I will miss her.
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| User: "655321" |
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22 Jul 2007 02:11:11 PM |
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In article <1185089342.861375.195710@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
I actually liked Tammy Faye. Sure, she was a religious
not, but she never hid it, often made fun of herself &
didn't see her beliefs as a weapon to be used against
others.
I wonder if she didn't get a little somethin' (make that a *big*
somethin') from Ron Jeremy on that reality show she was in.
--
655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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23 Jul 2007 07:02:42 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:29:02 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote
[----snip---]
This is all quite tasteless.
I actually liked Tammy Faye. Sure, she was a religious
not, but she never hid it, often made fun of herself &
didn't see her beliefs as a weapon to be used against
others.
As a religious whack job, for example, she towed the
party line of homosexuality, and then turned right around
and openly courted a gay audience. She was perfectly
happy to "Live and let live," and I for one can not find any
fault in that.
Was she a media hound? Oh, yes. Definitely. She wanted
to be a celebrity, and she actively sought it out.
Then again, that describes absolutely EVERYBODY on
TV or in the movies....
Live and let live, are you kidding? Do you know how many bunny rabbits must
have died testing that eye makeup? :-)
Ben
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| User: "JTEM" |
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23 Jul 2007 07:24:42 AM |
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Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
Live and let live, are you kidding? Do you know how
many bunny rabbits must have died testing that eye
makeup? :-)
Maybe, but not all of it. Her eye liner was tatooed on.
I'm not kidding.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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23 Jul 2007 08:42:50 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:24:42 -0700, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
Live and let live, are you kidding? Do you know how
many bunny rabbits must have died testing that eye
makeup? :-)
Maybe, but not all of it. Her eye liner was tatooed on.
I'm not kidding.
Now that's commitment to a style.
Ben
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| User: "Mike Smith" |
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21 Jul 2007 11:26:42 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Messner, who had battled colon cancer since
1996 that more recently spread to her lungs,
I assume she tried prayer...
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mercy endureth for ever." - Psalms 136:10
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| User: "" |
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22 Jul 2007 12:02:45 AM |
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On Jul 22, 12:26 am, Mike Smith <mikesm...@godisdead.com> wrote:
Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Messner, who had battled colon cancer since
1996 that more recently spread to her lungs,
I assume she tried prayer...
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"To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his
mercy endureth for ever." - Psalms 136:10
I guess she didn't pray hard enough.
Or maybe God called her home because she was such a good person who
had suffered enough?
Or maybe God cursed her with cancer for being an evil person?
Or maybe God is punishing her supporters for not praying hard enough
and now they have to give more money to the church?
God is a tricky fellow.
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| User: "Eris" |
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21 Jul 2007 10:34:28 PM |
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On Jul 21, 10:55 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
Tammy Faye Messner Dies at 65
(my comments in parenthesis)
http://tinyurl.com/39gfwf
Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim,
build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then saw it collapse
in disgrace, has died. She was 65.
Messner, who had battled colon cancer since 1996 that more recently
spread to her lungs, died peacefully at her home Friday, said her
booking agent, Joe Spotts, in an e-mail. A family service was held
Saturday in a private cemetery, where her ashes were interred, he
said.
She had frequently spoken about her medical problems, saying she hoped
to be an inspiration to others. "Don't let fear rule your life," she
said. "Live one day at a time, and never be afraid." But she told
well-wishers in a note on her Web site in May that the doctors had
stopped trying to treat the cancer.
In an interview with CNN's Larry King two months later, an emaciated
Messner - still using her trademark makeup - said, "I believe when I
leave this earth, because I love the Lord, I'm going straight to
heaven." Asked if she had any regrets, Messner said: "I don't think
about it, Larry, because it's a waste of good brain space."
(Going to straight to Heaven?
I think I speak for all of us, when I say that Tammy will be sorely
missed. Tammy has always stood
for everything that is wrong with religion.
Unfortunately I must admit that her exhusband Jim is a fellow alumni
of my High School.
Part of our High School experience was to visit the local prison and
learn our rights under the law.
I am sure this has served Jim well over the years.
May she rest in peace.
I wonder if she is still wondering why she has not been magically
transported up to her eternal reward.
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22 Jul 2007 12:27:17 AM |
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On Jul 21, 10:55 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
Tammy Faye Messner Dies at 65
(my comments in parenthesis)
http://tinyurl.com/39gfwf
Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim,
build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then saw it collapse
in disgrace, has died. She was 65.
Wow. Thanks for the link, Doug. I find myself agreeing with your
comments, too. Back home in NC, we used to call them "People Taking
`Ludes" because of that blank stare they all had...<g>
In the end, there wasn't any property to divide, her attorney said.
The Bakkers lost their luxury homes in North Carolina, California and
Tennessee, their fleet of Cadillacs and Mercedeses, and their vintage
Rolls-Royce.
In the early 1980s, I was a young man bitter about my family's move
from the North Carolina coast to northeast Mississippi. By the time
the reporters were catching on to what the Bakkers were up to, I was
working at my first job-a CBS affiliate in Columbus, MS. We worked
rotating shifts (7a-3p, then 3p-11p, then 11p-7a), and I often had the
disgusting (I was already an atheist, but not openly so) of insuring
the PTL, Jack Van Impe, Jimmy Swaggart and Kenneth Copeland shows
aired cleanly on Sunday mornings (jeez, I want to take a shower just
remembering it...<g>).
As a Carolina boy, I also had an old highschool girlfriend sending me
copies of the Charlotte Observer newspaper (the folks that broke the
stories of the corruption at Heritage USA) so that I'd know what was
going on back home. I read with great interest the investigative
reporting they did about what was *really* going on over at Heritage
USA. And when the reports got loudest, I witnessed something
incredible.
The PTL show started the usual way, with preaching, singing, and Tammy
crying rivers of blue eye shadow down her cheeks (in those days, I
wondered why the makeup folks were listed in the end credits, since it
was so obvious they were doing such a horrible job <g>). I'd had a
pretty hard night beforehand, so I was kind of sleepwalking through
loading the tape, and appreciating the fact that the damn thing would
run for an hour before I had to get up and load Jimmy's crap.
But...then IT happened.
They cut to a pre-produced segment obviously recorded in the western
desert of the US. Jimmy said he'd like to show his flock something. He
climbed into a beautifully restored 1950something Rolls-Royce and set
out into the desert. He spoke of the Rolls as if it were a mere 1950s
Chevrolet or something. "I love old cars. They were made so much
better than they are now..." `Holy *****', I thought. `He's up to
something if he's trying to disguise the fact that it's a Rolls.'
What happened next ended any residual fear of the Christian god I'd
felt after abandoning my Christian upbringing. The man sat down in the
middle of the desert....and began talking just as he did before he
built Heritage USA a few years earlier. "A place for us to gather and
proclaim his name!" and other nonsense. `What balls!', I thought.
`He's gonna try to save his pyramid scheme by starting *another*
one!'
Finally, the whole thing had become so absurd that I could finally lay
my fears to rest. Christianity couldn't hurt me any more. And in some
sort of weird way, I have Jim and Tammy to thank for that. Otherwise,
I'd be like the folks Joe Bagent talks about...the ones that have the
self-hatred of fundie xianity imprinted so deeply that they can't
enjoy their lives without that little dark cloud of worthlessness over
their heads.
While I feel sympathy for her family and friends, and am saddened that
cancer has claimed another victim, I cannot mourn a woman who did so
much harm to so many people.
"Missionaries" are the original spammers. I hate to admit it too, but
sometimes there actually *are* people who make the world a better
place simply because they are absent.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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22 Jul 2007 01:25:06 AM |
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On Jul 22, 1:27 am, wrote:
By the time
the reporters were catching on to what the Bakkers were up to, I was
working at my first job-a CBS affiliate in Columbus, MS.
Grrr. That should read "my first TV job". I've been working at one
thing or another since I was 13.
-PF, etc.
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22 Jul 2007 05:37:26 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:55:21 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
In an interview with CNN's Larry King two months later, an emaciated
Messner still using her trademark makeup said, "I believe when I
leave this earth, because I love the Lord, I'm going straight to
heaven."
If larry king was worth anything, he should never have agreed to let her on his
program. That was the most disgusting and horrible visual presentation of a
person I've ever seen.
One thing she clearly failed to recognize is her adultery with another man.
Cancelling a civil contract does not nullify her joining in the eyes of God with
Jim Bakker. In the eyes of God, as Christians understand it, she was still
married to Bakker when she joined with another man she called her new husband.
But it's God's decision. Not mine.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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23 Jul 2007 08:12:38 PM |
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In article <hjm7a3pv0lljl93rmghbjdmlungsf7va2b@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
But it's God's decision. Not mine.
This level of humility on your part is unexpected, Earl. Perhaps you
should examine the rest of your posts on alt.atheism and keep the above
statement in mind in the future.
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655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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| Title: Re: Tammy Faye dies at 65. (Hey, JD.. explain this one!) |
24 Jul 2007 05:07:53 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:12:38 GMT, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com>
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In article <hjm7a3pv0lljl93rmghbjdmlungsf7va2b@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
But it's God's decision. Not mine.
This level of humility on your part is unexpected, Earl. Perhaps you
should examine the rest of your posts on alt.atheism and keep the above
statement in mind in the future.
There's no change in my position with this statement. I've stated over and over
in this particular ng that your judgment is not in my hands, not in my charter.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Tammy Faye dies at 65. (Hey, JD.. explain this one!) |
24 Jul 2007 06:24:00 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:12:38 GMT, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com>
wrote:
In article <hjm7a3pv0lljl93rmghbjdmlungsf7va2b@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
But it's God's decision. Not mine.
This level of humility on your part is unexpected, Earl. Perhaps you
should examine the rest of your posts on alt.atheism and keep the above
statement in mind in the future.
There's no change in my position with this statement.
Maybe not in your "position," but certainly in your words. You've made
judgments time and time again that are supposedly the domain of your
alleged god, making claims about your own fate as well as that of
others, as if you had this god on your speed-dial.
I've stated over and over
in this particular ng that your judgment is not in my hands, not in my charter.
....and yet you've continued to judge. Where in your Bible does it say
that hypocrisy is okay?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Tammy Faye dies at 65. (Hey, JD.. explain this one!) |
25 Jul 2007 12:33:16 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:24:00 GMT, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com>
wrote:
This level of humility on your part is unexpected, Earl. Perhaps you
should examine the rest of your posts on alt.atheism and keep the above
statement in mind in the future.
There's no change in my position with this statement.
Maybe not in your "position," but certainly in your words.
Nope, my words have never varied re your eternal future is not in my hands.
You've made
judgments time and time again that are supposedly the domain of your
alleged god, making claims about your own fate as well as that of
others, as if you had this god on your speed-dial.
Only that you will discuss your eternal future with God at the moment you die.
It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
I've stated over and over
in this particular ng that your judgment is not in my hands, not in my charter.
...and yet you've continued to judge. Where in your Bible does it say
that hypocrisy is okay?
The bible clearly says we are to admonish those that turn on God. Judgment is
not in my charter.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Tammy Faye dies at 65. (Hey, JD.. explain this one!) |
26 Jul 2007 05:47:23 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:24:00 GMT, 655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com>
wrote:
This level of humility on your part is unexpected, Earl. Perhaps you
should examine the rest of your posts on alt.atheism and keep the above
statement in mind in the future.
There's no change in my position with this statement.
Maybe not in your "position," but certainly in your words.
Nope, my words have never varied re your eternal future is not in my hands.
Liar.
You've made
judgments time and time again that are supposedly the domain of your
alleged god, making claims about your own fate as well as that of
others, as if you had this god on your speed-dial.
Only that you will discuss your eternal future with God at the moment you die.
That's a claim you cannot make without arrogance.
It sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Go ahead and play dumb, if you like. It's crystal clear what "It's your
funeral" means when you say it. Your self-satisfaction is no less obvious.
I've stated over and over
in this particular ng that your judgment is not in my hands, not in my charter.
...and yet you've continued to judge. Where in your Bible does it say
that hypocrisy is okay?
The bible clearly says we are to admonish those that turn on God.
Atheists by definition cannot "turn on God," as you put it.
Judgment is not in my charter.
No, just your habit.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Tammy Faye dies at 65. (Hey, JD.. explain this one!) |
22 Jul 2007 01:54:50 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:55:21 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Tammy Faye Messner Dies at 65
(my comments in parenthesis)
http://tinyurl.com/39gfwf
Tammy Faye Messner, who as Tammy Faye Bakker helped her husband, Jim,
build a multimillion-dollar evangelism empire and then saw it collapse
in disgrace, has died. She was 65.
Messner, who had battled colon cancer since 1996 that more recently
spread to her lungs
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That says it all, eh?
Her *****-making machinery went out of control, and wound up taking
over her speech-making machinery!
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