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"Brian F. Nevercene" |
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22 Jul 2007 09:46:17 PM |
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Tammy Faye wasted away |
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
However, good people are supposed to die a quick painless death.
Or maybe even a glorious one, perhaps by the sword in a war for
the Lord. Or, perhaps, the righteous may die while rescuing a
drowning child (baptism by immersion can be dangerous, yet the
US Coast Guard STILL doesn't require life jackets!).
So my question is, what in the heck did Tammy Faye do that was so
bad? Consider that she didn't just die. The Lord TORTURED her to
death over an ELEVEN YEAR period.
Diagnosed with colon cancer in 1996, Tammy was treated for a
number of years. In fact, surviving eleven years from diagnosis
exceeds normal life expectancy from this type of cancer. But then
the cancer moved into her lungs, and she was put on hospice care,
which means there was no attempt to treat the disease. Hospice
care is an acknowledgement of defeat, and just provides food and
huge doses of morphine.
"Consumption" was a much better description for this disease than
cancer is. At the end, Tammy was down to 65 pounds (with makeup),
as the cancer consumed her body just as the fires consumed Sodom
and Gomorrah. And during periods of lucidity, when the morphine
wore off, she could look and see her body essentially dissolving,
(consumption REALLY was a great term) all on the Lord's orders.
So just what DID Tammy do that was so awful. OK, she sang on TV
and it was horrid. But, hey, look at all the rappers who can't
sing. No torture for them. God kills them in an instant in a drive
by shooting.
I suppose the makeup thing was offensive. I mean, it was so bad
that at one point there was a report that Jimmy Hoffa had been
discovered under Tammy's makeup. But, hey, Ronald Reagan's makeup
was bad too (c'mon, doesn ANYONE believe he didn't color his
hair?) and God finished him off with Alzheimers, the no pain no
care disease.
Oh, she lied on TV. Said her and Jim didn't have a dog house with
air conditioning. Is that worth eleven years of torture? I mean,
Clinton lied about blow jobs, and his punishments was to sleep on
the couch for a year. Bush lied about WMDs and his punishment was
to lose his rubber stamp Congress.
Something is definitely wrong with the "punishment from God"
thing. Too much inconsistency. So inconsistent you'd think it was
random.
If so, how can the fundamentalist spokesmen expect to find
messages from God in random events? Of course, a trickster God
remains a possibility. No better evidence exists of this than his
proclamation that the Jews were His chosen people, followed by
Him making their lives hell for then next few thousand years.
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| User: "Vernono O Here @there" |
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23 Jul 2007 10:25:48 AM |
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"Brian F. Nevercene" <bfnevercene@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:ZDUoi.11071$zA4.1965@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
You see what you are capable of seeing.
I would say for you to get an education but you already fit the mold of John
12:40.
A few money making preachers that the money making press quotes and
misquotes is NOT Fundamental Christianity.
Read the entire bible about four times and you MAY discover what fundamental
Christianity is. (Not a dirty word)
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| User: "Irv Hyatt" |
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22 Jul 2007 10:55:00 PM |
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"Brian F. Nevercene" <bfnevercene@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:ZDUoi.11071$zA4.1965@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality.
Yeah, uh-huh... all of those homos in Africa... yep yep
All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
However, good people are supposed to die a quick painless death.
Or maybe even a glorious one, perhaps by the sword in a war for
the Lord. Or, perhaps, the righteous may die while rescuing a
drowning child (baptism by immersion can be dangerous, yet the
US Coast Guard STILL doesn't require life jackets!).
So my question is, what in the heck did Tammy Faye do that was so
bad? Consider that she didn't just die. The Lord TORTURED her to
death over an ELEVEN YEAR period.
Tammy Faye was actually a very nice and caring woman.
She thought being gay was ok and had gay friends.
She didn't try to convert people.
She was good hearted and genuinely cared for people.
YOUR LORD would find that UNACCEPTABLE!!!
<CHOMP>
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| User: "Wilson" |
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22 Jul 2007 11:24:08 PM |
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"Brian F. Nevercene" <bfnevercene@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:ZDUoi.11071$zA4.1965@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
However, good people are supposed to die a quick painless death.
Or maybe even a glorious one, perhaps by the sword in a war for
the Lord. Or, perhaps, the righteous may die while rescuing a
drowning child (baptism by immersion can be dangerous, yet the
US Coast Guard STILL doesn't require life jackets!).
So my question is, what in the heck did Tammy Faye do that was so
bad? Consider that she didn't just die. The Lord TORTURED her to
death over an ELEVEN YEAR period.
Diagnosed with colon cancer in 1996, Tammy was treated for a
number of years. In fact, surviving eleven years from diagnosis
exceeds normal life expectancy from this type of cancer. But then
the cancer moved into her lungs, and she was put on hospice care,
which means there was no attempt to treat the disease. Hospice
care is an acknowledgement of defeat, and just provides food and
huge doses of morphine.
"Consumption" was a much better description for this disease than
cancer is. At the end, Tammy was down to 65 pounds (with makeup),
as the cancer consumed her body just as the fires consumed Sodom
and Gomorrah. And during periods of lucidity, when the morphine
wore off, she could look and see her body essentially dissolving,
(consumption REALLY was a great term) all on the Lord's orders.
So just what DID Tammy do that was so awful. OK, she sang on TV
and it was horrid. But, hey, look at all the rappers who can't
sing. No torture for them. God kills them in an instant in a drive
by shooting.
I suppose the makeup thing was offensive. I mean, it was so bad
that at one point there was a report that Jimmy Hoffa had been
discovered under Tammy's makeup. But, hey, Ronald Reagan's makeup
was bad too (c'mon, doesn ANYONE believe he didn't color his
hair?) and God finished him off with Alzheimers, the no pain no
care disease.
Oh, she lied on TV. Said her and Jim didn't have a dog house with
air conditioning. Is that worth eleven years of torture? I mean,
Clinton lied about blow jobs, and his punishments was to sleep on
the couch for a year. Bush lied about WMDs and his punishment was
to lose his rubber stamp Congress.
Something is definitely wrong with the "punishment from God"
thing. Too much inconsistency. So inconsistent you'd think it was
random.
If so, how can the fundamentalist spokesmen expect to find
messages from God in random events? Of course, a trickster God
remains a possibility. No better evidence exists of this than his
proclamation that the Jews were His chosen people, followed by
Him making their lives hell for then next few thousand years.
Those skits about her on SNL were classics. The woman was good for a laugh.
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| User: "Matthew Kruk" |
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23 Jul 2007 12:20:38 AM |
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"Brian F. Nevercene" <bfnevercene@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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So my question is, what in the heck did Tammy Faye do that was so
bad? Consider that she didn't just die. The Lord TORTURED her to
death over an ELEVEN YEAR period.
The lord doesn't like false eyelashes.
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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23 Jul 2007 12:56:06 AM |
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Brian F. Nevercene held us spellbound with...
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
However, good people are supposed to die a quick painless death.
Or maybe even a glorious one, perhaps by the sword in a war for
the Lord. Or, perhaps, the righteous may die while rescuing a
drowning child (baptism by immersion can be dangerous, yet the
US Coast Guard STILL doesn't require life jackets!).
So my question is, what in the heck did Tammy Faye do that was so
bad? Consider that she didn't just die. The Lord TORTURED her to
death over an ELEVEN YEAR period.
Diagnosed with colon cancer in 1996, Tammy was treated for a
number of years. In fact, surviving eleven years from diagnosis
exceeds normal life expectancy from this type of cancer. But then
the cancer moved into her lungs, and she was put on hospice care,
which means there was no attempt to treat the disease. Hospice
care is an acknowledgement of defeat, and just provides food and
huge doses of morphine.
"Consumption" was a much better description for this disease than
cancer is. At the end, Tammy was down to 65 pounds (with makeup),
as the cancer consumed her body just as the fires consumed Sodom
and Gomorrah. And during periods of lucidity, when the morphine
wore off, she could look and see her body essentially dissolving,
(consumption REALLY was a great term) all on the Lord's orders.
So just what DID Tammy do that was so awful. OK, she sang on TV
and it was horrid. But, hey, look at all the rappers who can't
sing. No torture for them. God kills them in an instant in a drive
by shooting.
I suppose the makeup thing was offensive. I mean, it was so bad
that at one point there was a report that Jimmy Hoffa had been
discovered under Tammy's makeup. But, hey, Ronald Reagan's makeup
was bad too (c'mon, doesn ANYONE believe he didn't color his
hair?) and God finished him off with Alzheimers, the no pain no
care disease.
Oh, she lied on TV. Said her and Jim didn't have a dog house with
air conditioning. Is that worth eleven years of torture? I mean,
Clinton lied about blow jobs, and his punishments was to sleep on
the couch for a year. Bush lied about WMDs and his punishment was
to lose his rubber stamp Congress.
Something is definitely wrong with the "punishment from God"
thing. Too much inconsistency. So inconsistent you'd think it was
random.
If so, how can the fundamentalist spokesmen expect to find
messages from God in random events? Of course, a trickster God
remains a possibility. No better evidence exists of this than his
proclamation that the Jews were His chosen people, followed by
Him making their lives hell for then next few thousand years.
He tortured her for divorcing Jim and having a TV show with a flaming
homo.
--
- St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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| User: "J.D. Baldwin" |
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22 Jul 2007 10:48:29 PM |
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In the previous article, Brian F. Nevercene
<bfnevercene@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
However, good people are supposed to die a quick painless death. Or
maybe even a glorious one, perhaps by the sword in a war for the
Lord.
This is actually pretty much in direct contradiction to the attitude
and teachings of the early Xian church, and as continued by the Roman
Catholic faith. Didn't you ever hear of martyrdom?
--
_+_ From the catapult of |If anyone disagrees with any statement I make, I
_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / baldwin@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer
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| User: "Ron" |
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22 Jul 2007 11:15:30 PM |
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J.D. Baldwin <INVALID_SEE_SIG@example.com.invalid> wrote:
In the previous article, Brian F. Nevercene
<bfnevercene@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
However, good people are supposed to die a quick painless death. Or
maybe even a glorious one, perhaps by the sword in a war for the
Lord.
This is actually pretty much in direct contradiction to the attitude
and teachings of the early Xian church, and as continued by the Roman
Catholic faith. Didn't you ever hear of martyrdom?
In my experience, it appears that the good and decent people I've known
suffer the most and it takes a long time for them to die. The evil people
are usually blessed with a quick death. I've wondered about the injustice
of that all my life.
The death penalty now means a nice injection most of the time in a calm and
sterile setting. However, the victim usually suffered all sorts of
indignities and agonies...no time for "last words" or a nice "last meal", no
chance to say good-bye to everyone and "get saved".
Where death is concerned, I don't think there is any justification for how
it goes. If I get the chance, I intend to ask God WHY it couldn't be like
falling asleep at night (for everybody). Why do some have to suffer so and
others not at all?
--
R.E.Gentry
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| User: "J.D. Baldwin" |
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22 Jul 2007 11:20:26 PM |
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In the previous article, Ron <regen@newguy.com> wrote:
In my experience, it appears that the good and decent people I've
known suffer the most and it takes a long time for them to die. The
evil people are usually blessed with a quick death. I've wondered
about the injustice of that all my life.
Well, when you consider that a baseball bat to the back of the head
qualifies as "a quick death," it gets a little clearer.
Or maybe that's just my own wishful thinking at work.
--
_+_ From the catapult of |If anyone disagrees with any statement I make, I
_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / baldwin@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer
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| User: "Ron" |
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22 Jul 2007 11:30:44 PM |
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J.D. Baldwin <INVALID_SEE_SIG@example.com.invalid> wrote:
In the previous article, Ron <regen@newguy.com> wrote:
In my experience, it appears that the good and decent people I've
known suffer the most and it takes a long time for them to die. The
evil people are usually blessed with a quick death. I've wondered
about the injustice of that all my life.
Well, when you consider that a baseball bat to the back of the head
qualifies as "a quick death," it gets a little clearer.
Or maybe that's just my own wishful thinking at work.
Is THAT how you want to go? And while at work, too?
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R.E.Gentry
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| User: "" |
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22 Jul 2007 10:37:23 PM |
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On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
Ray Arthur
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| User: "Geoff" |
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23 Jul 2007 04:01:08 AM |
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wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
Hmmmm...who had Noah build that ark then?
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| User: "Irv Hyatt" |
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23 Jul 2007 11:25:23 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QOWdnWkua7zE8znbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@giganews.com...
treg@iwvisp.com wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
Hmmmm...who had Noah build that ark then?
What ark?
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| User: "Geoff" |
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23 Jul 2007 11:47:38 AM |
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Irv Hyatt wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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treg@iwvisp.com wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
Hmmmm...who had Noah build that ark then?
What ark?
Obviously, the question was not intended for nonbelievers.
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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24 Jul 2007 02:34:32 AM |
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Geoff held us spellbound with...
Irv Hyatt wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QOWdnWkua7zE8znbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@giganews.com...
treg@iwvisp.com wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
Hmmmm...who had Noah build that ark then?
What ark?
Obviously, the question was not intended for nonbelievers.
Oh, that ark.
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http://www.jackanapes.ws
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| User: "Cletus Awreetus Awrightus" |
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22 Jul 2007 10:49:13 PM |
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On Jul 22, 10:37 pm, "t...@iwvisp.com" <t...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
What was all that Sodom and Gomorrah stuff about then?
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22 Jul 2007 11:12:07 PM |
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"Cletus Awreetus Awrightus" <awrightus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 10:37 pm, "t...@iwvisp.com" <t...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
What was all that Sodom and Gomorrah stuff about then?
A one-time warning from God about man's earlthy living. <g>
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23 Jul 2007 11:25:21 AM |
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"A" <aaaac@hot.net> wrote in message
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"Cletus Awreetus Awrightus" <awrightus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 10:37 pm, "t...@iwvisp.com" <t...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
What was all that Sodom and Gomorrah stuff about then?
A one-time warning from God about man's earlthy living. <g>
Ah, one would then surmise that daughters screwing their father is just
business as usual. Seems more like a story of yahweh, a volcano god, being
used as the basis of a volcano event where fire and brimstone rained down
upon some ancient town.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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22 Jul 2007 11:36:36 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "A" <aaaac@hot.net> bloodied us up with this:
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"Cletus Awreetus Awrightus" <awrightus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 10:37 pm, "t...@iwvisp.com" <t...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
What was all that Sodom and Gomorrah stuff about then?
A one-time warning from God about man's earlthy living. <g>
Except for that flood thingy. And the passover thingy. All one-time
warnings?
Uh-huh.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "George" |
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24 Jul 2007 03:20:14 PM |
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On Jul 23, 3:37 pm, "t...@iwvisp.com" <t...@iwvisp.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
and to get them there he gives them terminal cancer?
Wow.
talk about a long sad lingering wait filled with extreme pain to get
you all jazzed up for a frolic with the pink sky pixy
Not !
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23 Jul 2007 12:36:52 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:37:23 -0700, "treg@iwvisp.com"
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On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
If you don't call Tammy Faye's end "punishment on this earth", you
must be from Neptune!
Have you seen all the Old Testament about all the civilizations that
made God so angry He erased them from the face of the earth?
Ray Arthur
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:37:23 -0700, "treg@iwvisp.com"
<treg@iwvisp.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
If you don't call Tammy Faye's end "punishment on this earth", you
must be from Neptune!
Have you seen all the Old Testament about all the civilizations that
made God so angry He erased them from the face of the earth?
Ray Arthur
I'm so glad that I Googled "George Carlin's Views on Religion" a couple of
years ago. It really got me to thinking about how, if you allow it to,
religion will screw you up big time. Religion does more to instill hate and
makes a mockery of "unconditional love". Tammy Faye had her faults, but she
finally worked her way out of the BS. If everyone could do that, this world
would be a better place.
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:46:50 -0500, "D. Teresa Denby"
<dtd655@netscape.net> wrote:
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:37:23 -0700, "treg@iwvisp.com"
<treg@iwvisp.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
If you don't call Tammy Faye's end "punishment on this earth", you
must be from Neptune!
Have you seen all the Old Testament about all the civilizations that
made God so angry He erased them from the face of the earth?
Ray Arthur
I'm so glad that I Googled "George Carlin's Views on Religion" a couple of
years ago. It really got me to thinking about how, if you allow it to,
religion will screw you up big time.
A religion can certainly screw you up because it's based on flawed
man's flawed thinking!
Christianity being God reaching down to man to pull him up out of his
misery is not flawed!
Religion does more to instill hate and
makes a mockery of "unconditional love".
"religion", yes. Christianity doesn't teach hate. Christianity
teaches sacrificial love (putting others ahead of yourself)
Proof is easy to find if you check your phone book for how many
Christian (charity) hospitals are in your major cities!
Tammy Faye had her faults, but she
finally worked her way out of the BS.
In whose opinion? Last news conference I heard her give, she was up
to her false eyelashes in "Pentecostal" / Pretender bull crap!
If everyone could do that, this world
would be a better place.
There you go! Let's all strive harder and harder every day to be
more like Tammy Faye!
"PLEASE!"
You say things like that, and you expect to be taken seriously?
m m m
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24 Jul 2007 10:40:10 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:46:50 -0500, "D. Teresa Denby"
<dtd655@netscape.net> wrote:
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:37:23 -0700, "treg@iwvisp.com"
<treg@iwvisp.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
If you don't call Tammy Faye's end "punishment on this earth", you
must be from Neptune!
Have you seen all the Old Testament about all the civilizations that
made God so angry He erased them from the face of the earth?
Ray Arthur
I'm so glad that I Googled "George Carlin's Views on Religion" a couple of
years ago. It really got me to thinking about how, if you allow it to,
religion will screw you up big time.
A religion can certainly screw you up because it's based on flawed
man's flawed thinking!
Christianity being God reaching down to man to pull him up out of his
misery is not flawed!
No, it's just a ridiculous idea that flawed morons believe
Religion does more to instill hate and
makes a mockery of "unconditional love".
"religion", yes. Christianity doesn't teach hate. Christianity
teaches sacrificial love (putting others ahead of yourself)
Proof is easy to find if you check your phone book for how many
Christian (charity) hospitals are in your major cities!
Tammy Faye had her faults, but she
finally worked her way out of the BS.
In whose opinion? Last news conference I heard her give, she was up
to her false eyelashes in "Pentecostal" / Pretender bull crap!
If everyone could do that, this world
would be a better place.
There you go! Let's all strive harder and harder every day to be
more like Tammy Faye!
"PLEASE!"
You say things like that, and you expect to be taken seriously?
m m m
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24 Jul 2007 02:55:30 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:46:50 -0500, "D. Teresa Denby"
<dtd655@netscape.net> wrote:
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:37:23 -0700, "treg@iwvisp.com"
<treg@iwvisp.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Jul 22, 7:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth.
<snip>
Whether you believe or not, your premise is incorrect.
God gives rewards and punishment in heaven, not on earth.
If you don't call Tammy Faye's end "punishment on this earth", you
must be from Neptune!
Have you seen all the Old Testament about all the civilizations that
made God so angry He erased them from the face of the earth?
Ray Arthur
I'm so glad that I Googled "George Carlin's Views on Religion" a couple of
years ago. It really got me to thinking about how, if you allow it to,
religion will screw you up big time.
How very profound that you get your "theology", your "religion", from
a stand-up comic!
I personally find Bill Cosby's "Noah" MUCH funnier!
john w
Religion does more to instill hate and
makes a mockery of "unconditional love". Tammy Faye had her faults, but she
finally worked her way out of the BS. If everyone could do that, this world
would be a better place.
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22 Jul 2007 09:54:21 PM |
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On Jul 22, 8:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
I don't think Tammy Faye was like that. In fact, I have a feeling many
fundamentalists will claim Tammy Faye was punished for being more
accepting than them.
wd43
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22 Jul 2007 10:56:21 PM |
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On Jul 22, 8:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
I don't think Tammy Faye was like that. In fact, I have a feeling many
fundamentalists will claim Tammy Faye was punished for being more
accepting than them.
Absolutely.
She was more concerned with helping others and accepted all people into her
life.
wd43
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23 Jul 2007 07:57:47 PM |
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On Jul 22, 11:56 pm, "Irv Hyatt" <irvhy...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
"Charlene" <charlene.vick...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 8:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
I don't think Tammy Faye was like that. In fact, I have a feeling many
fundamentalists will claim Tammy Faye was punished for being more
accepting than them.
Absolutely.
She was more concerned with helping others and accepted all people into her
life.
Bipolar mood disorder.
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23 Jul 2007 10:05:47 PM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 11:56 pm, "Irv Hyatt" <irvhy...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
"Charlene" <charlene.vick...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185159261.014715.183030@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 22, 8:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
I don't think Tammy Faye was like that. In fact, I have a feeling many
fundamentalists will claim Tammy Faye was punished for being more
accepting than them.
Absolutely.
She was more concerned with helping others and accepted all people into
her
life.
Bipolar mood disorder.
Yep, a typical American, a woman following her man... she did what she was
told to do.
When she was free and on her own she was a really cool person.
I would have liked her for a friend AT THAT TIME, not before.
And she really was a girly girl, with her pink stationary... I like that
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24 Jul 2007 12:27:23 AM |
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On Jul 23, 11:05 pm, "Irv Hyatt" <irvhy...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 11:56 pm, "Irv Hyatt" <irvhy...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
"Charlene" <charlene.vick...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185159261.014715.183030@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 22, 8:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
I don't think Tammy Faye was like that. In fact, I have a feeling many
fundamentalists will claim Tammy Faye was punished for being more
accepting than them.
Absolutely.
She was more concerned with helping others and accepted all people into
her
life.
Bipolar mood disorder.
Yep, a typical American, a woman following her man... she did what she was
told to do.
When she was free and on her own she was a really cool person.
I would have liked her for a friend AT THAT TIME, not before.
And she really was a girly girl, with her pink stationary... I like that
Obsession with pink at Tammy Fay levels is evidence of bipolar
disorder.
Most memorable TFB quote: "I dreamed I went to heaven (tm) last
night.
It was so pretty. Everything was all glittery."
Apparently, god is into sequins in a big way.
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24 Jul 2007 01:16:15 AM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 11:05 pm, "Irv Hyatt" <irvhy...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 11:56 pm, "Irv Hyatt" <irvhy...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
"Charlene" <charlene.vick...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185159261.014715.183030@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 22, 8:46 pm, "Brian F. Nevercene"
<bfneverc...@spamblock.yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how the death of Tammy Faye (Bakker)
Messner fits into the fundamentalist Christian routine. I mean,
from what they say, God gives rewards and punishment on earth. For
example, according to fundamentalist spokesmen, 9 11 was
punishment from God. He allowed it to happen as a reminder to
America it was sinning.
Previously, according to the spokesmen, God went a step further,
not just allowing AIDS to happen, but creating it to punish people
for the sin of homosexuality. All through history, plagues,
famines, floods, and natural disasters were all the work of the
Lord, punishment or a message. Or so said those qualified to
interpret His will in the chaos of events.
I don't think Tammy Faye was like that. In fact, I have a feeling
many
fundamentalists will claim Tammy Faye was punished for being more
accepting than them.
Absolutely.
She was more concerned with helping others and accepted all people
into
her
life.
Bipolar mood disorder.
Yep, a typical American, a woman following her man... she did what she
was
told to do.
When she was free and on her own she was a really cool person.
I would have liked her for a friend AT THAT TIME, not before.
And she really was a girly girl, with her pink stationary... I like that
Obsession with pink at Tammy Fay levels is evidence of bipolar
disorder.
Most memorable TFB quote: "I dreamed I went to heaven (tm) last
night.
It was so pretty. Everything was all glittery."
Apparently, god is into sequins in a big way.
I hope Liberace will be kind to her
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