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"johac" |
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11 May 2006 01:34:46 AM |
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Tear down the Sphinx? |
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
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Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered
Egyptian liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage
religious zealots to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
The ruling was issued by the Mufti, the most senior religious scholar in
Egypt.
Islam has always been wary of representations of the human figure.
Anything which could even remotely suggest idolatry is frowned upon.
But sculpture in Egypt is as old as the pharaohs.
There are thousands of statues in museums and temples, not to mention
the modern works standing in major squares in the big cities.
The fatwa raised an outcry, with many critics saying they are surprised
the issue has been raised at all.
But these days Egyptians are increasingly seeking religious rulings on
all aspects of life.
Islam Online
Fatwas are proliferating in the newspapers, on the internet and on
satellite channels.
Islam Online is a phenomenally successful website which aims to present
a comprehensive view of Islam to the world.
There's been really a big retreat to the distant past
Dr Mohamed Al Sayed Said
Al Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies
It runs a very popular fatwa section.
"We have a section called 'Ask a scholar' where you can find different
fatwas on issues from laser surgery to correct eyesight down to April
Fools Day," said Sayed Mohamed Amin, an editor on Islam Online.
"[A fatwa] is when the layman goes to a scholar or the Mufti to seek
Islam's stance regarding a certain issue.
"Mostly these are religious-based issues. If, for example, there's a
dispute between somebody and his wife - he goes and asks the Mufti."
Increasing gulf
Egyptian society is witnessing a huge explosion in demand for fatwas.
It was a member of the public who asked the Mufti about Islam's position
on statues.
"This reflects the rising religiosity in Egyptian society," said Mohamed
al-Sayed Said of the al-Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies.
He says the European models of progress which guided Egyptian society in
the 19th and 20th Centuries have now been eclipsed by the rise of
religion.
"There's been really a big retreat to the distant past," he said.
"What we are having at this point is an increasing gulf between secular
and religious cultures."
While modern life continues to present Muslims with new dilemmas for
which they require religious guidance, modern technology has made it
easy for fatwas to reach huge numbers of people.
"The expansion of different means of communication, such as the
internet, has really triggered the ordinary man to ask about different
aspects of his religion," said Mr Amin.
Rising brotherhood
In this religiously charged atmosphere, it is not surprising that an
Islamist group is the only political power on the ascendant in Egypt.
Despite being an illegal group, the Muslim Brotherhood now control
almost a fifth of the seats in parliament, which puts it far ahead of
other opposition groups.
We still have a chance to evade the prospects of an Islamist takeover
Mohamed al-Sayed Said
Al-Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies
Analysts argue that many factors, other than religiosity, have
contributed to the rise of the Brotherhood.
These include political repression, the dismal economic performance of
successive governments and general unease about the alliance with the
United States.
They say that the severe restrictions on political activity in the last
50 years have left the mosques and religiously inspired charity work as
the only areas where grassroots opposition to the regime could develop.
"Egypt's future will not be determined by religious or cultural factors.
But if the country continues to fail economically and politically,
political Islam will become the prevalent ideology," said Mr Said.
"But I'm inclined to think that we still have a chance to evade the
prospects of an Islamist takeover if we achieve better in the economy
and certainly in relation to political and civic liberties."
But no matter what happens politically, it is clear that in the short
term at least religion will continue to be the main arbiter of an
increasing range of issues in the lives of Egyptians. --
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4751319.stm
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
11 May 2006 12:32:15 PM |
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
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Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry" that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
12 May 2006 12:01:05 AM |
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In article <pan.2006.05.11.17.32.19.580469@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry" that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
In it's earlier days, when Christianity had temporal power, it was just
as bad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
15 May 2006 09:28:41 AM |
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:05 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <pan.2006.05.11.17.32.19.580469@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry" that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
In it's earlier days, when Christianity had temporal power, it was just
as bad:
The 'pendulum' is swinging back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
17 May 2006 01:47:09 AM |
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In article <304h62dnrh35llb8cg8nj3imsv0i86vtdu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:05 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <pan.2006.05.11.17.32.19.580469@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry" that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
In it's earlier days, when Christianity had temporal power, it was just
as bad:
The 'pendulum' is swinging back.
And back and forth it goes until the last loon is dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
18 May 2006 09:55:45 AM |
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 23:47:09 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <304h62dnrh35llb8cg8nj3imsv0i86vtdu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:05 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <pan.2006.05.11.17.32.19.580469@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry" that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
In it's earlier days, when Christianity had temporal power, it was just
as bad:
The 'pendulum' is swinging back.
And back and forth it goes until the last loon is dead.
But they keep making more.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
18 May 2006 11:48:54 PM |
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In article <um2p62hl1m5jk8j91gvfpmfihanig4905s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 23:47:09 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <304h62dnrh35llb8cg8nj3imsv0i86vtdu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:05 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <pan.2006.05.11.17.32.19.580469@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered
Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious
zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry"
that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
In it's earlier days, when Christianity had temporal power, it was just
as bad:
The 'pendulum' is swinging back.
And back and forth it goes until the last loon is dead.
But they keep making more.
No wonder they're against birth control and abortion. They need more
cannon fodder.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
19 May 2006 12:44:30 PM |
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On Thu, 18 May 2006 21:48:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <um2p62hl1m5jk8j91gvfpmfihanig4905s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 23:47:09 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <304h62dnrh35llb8cg8nj3imsv0i86vtdu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:05 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <pan.2006.05.11.17.32.19.580469@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered
Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious
zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry"
that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
In it's earlier days, when Christianity had temporal power, it was just
as bad:
The 'pendulum' is swinging back.
And back and forth it goes until the last loon is dead.
But they keep making more.
No wonder they're against birth control and abortion. They need more
cannon fodder.
That's exactly it-literally.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Tear down the Sphinx? |
20 May 2006 01:18:37 AM |
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In article <av0s621h4ivfl6ejfhjjf0jcui3ab4fjjb@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2006 21:48:54 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <um2p62hl1m5jk8j91gvfpmfihanig4905s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 23:47:09 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <304h62dnrh35llb8cg8nj3imsv0i86vtdu@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:01:05 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <pan.2006.05.11.17.32.19.580469@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered
Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious
zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry"
that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea
that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting
violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
In it's earlier days, when Christianity had temporal power, it was
just
as bad:
The 'pendulum' is swinging back.
And back and forth it goes until the last loon is dead.
But they keep making more.
No wonder they're against birth control and abortion. They need more
cannon fodder.
That's exactly it-literally.
Sad but true.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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15 May 2006 09:28:09 AM |
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 17:32:15 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in
alt.atheism
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:34:46 -0700, johac wrote:
Islamic fundy idiots in Egypt issue fatwa against statues.
---
Egyptians look to Islam for answers
By Heba Saleh
BBC News, Cairo
A religious ruling condemning the display of statues has angered Egyptian
liberals and intellectuals who fear it could encourage religious zealots
to attack the country's pharaonic heritage.
I'm starting to suspect that the Muslim religion is actually a very
elaborate parody. No sane person could be so paranoid of "idolatry" that
they would want to destroy the Sphinx, or so offended at the idea that
their religion is violent that they would protest by inciting violence
across the globe, as happened with the Mohammed cartoon protests.
Keyword=sane. Christianity's the same damn thing.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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11 May 2006 10:40:19 AM |
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johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4751319.stm
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Egyptian society is witnessing a huge explosion in demand for fatwas.
This is right up there with "Headless body in topless bar"
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Merlyn LeRoy
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