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19 Mar 2005 02:52:42 AM |
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Terri Schiavo and Christians |
My apologies if this was posted before. I searched the archives and
didn't see anything.
I have a question to Christians:
Terri Schiavo has been in the news a lot lately. The Florida woman has
been in a vegetative state for 15 years, kept alive artificially via a
feeding tube. Recently, a judge ruled in her husband's favor to remove
her feeding tube.
Now, question:
Why are the Christians keeping her from "God"? Obviously, God wanted
her to be in a vegetative state. What if God wanted her to end her term
on earth and join Him in heaven? Aren't we pissing off God for not
following His wishes? I say remove the feeding tube and let God decide
what He wants to do with her. If he wants her to stay alive, she'll
live. If not, she won't. What's the problem?
(This is a question to Christians; I don't actually profess to believe
in God, of course.)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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21 Mar 2005 03:23:29 PM |
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DanielSan wrote:
My apologies if this was posted before. I searched the archives and
didn't see anything.
I have a question to Christians:
Terri Schiavo has been in the news a lot lately. The Florida woman has
been in a vegetative state for 15 years, kept alive artificially via a
feeding tube. Recently, a judge ruled in her husband's favor to remove
her feeding tube.
Now, question:
Why are the Christians keeping her from "God"? Obviously, God wanted
her to be in a vegetative state. What if God wanted her to end her term
on earth and join Him in heaven? Aren't we pissing off God for not
following His wishes? I say remove the feeding tube and let God decide
what He wants to do with her. If he wants her to stay alive, she'll
live. If not, she won't. What's the problem?
(This is a question to Christians; I don't actually profess to believe
in God, of course.)
Excellent questions, but better directed to a Christian newsgroup :-)
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Mar 2005 12:12:12 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:52:42 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
My apologies if this was posted before. I searched the archives and
didn't see anything.
I have a question to Christians:
Terri Schiavo has been in the news a lot lately. The Florida woman has
been in a vegetative state for 15 years, kept alive artificially via a
feeding tube. Recently, a judge ruled in her husband's favor to remove
her feeding tube.
Now, question:
Why are the Christians keeping her from "God"?
Obviously, God wanted
her to be in a vegetative state.
If that's true, then Christian action of battling the removal of the tube is
what God wants. Right?
What if God wanted her to end her term
on earth and join Him in heaven?
What if God wants the unquestioned love of millions of Christians to battle the
forces of evil known as satan and his merry band of atheists?
Aren't we pissing off God for not
following His wishes? I say remove the feeding tube and let God decide
what He wants to do with her. If he wants her to stay alive, she'll
live. If not, she won't. What's the problem?
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
(This is a question to Christians; I don't actually profess to believe
in God, of course.)
You aren't that bright.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
20 Mar 2005 05:35:36 AM |
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On 19 Mar 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:52:42 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
My apologies if this was posted before. I searched the archives and
didn't see anything.
I have a question to Christians:
Terri Schiavo has been in the news a lot lately. The Florida woman
has been in a vegetative state for 15 years, kept alive artificially
via a feeding tube. Recently, a judge ruled in her husband's favor to
remove her feeding tube.
Now, question:
Why are the Christians keeping her from "God"?
Obviously, God wanted
her to be in a vegetative state.
If that's true, then Christian action of battling the removal of the
tube is what God wants. Right?
What if God wanted her to end her term
on earth and join Him in heaven?
What if God wants the unquestioned love of millions of Christians to
battle the forces of evil known as satan and his merry band of
atheists?
Aren't we pissing off God for not
following His wishes? I say remove the feeding tube and let God
decide what He wants to do with her. If he wants her to stay alive,
she'll live. If not, she won't. What's the problem?
<pulling duke out of the bozo bin for a spanking here>
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the
atheists.
Were Terri's parents atheists, Duke? If they were they probably would
have recognized the end for what it was, and however painful it would
have been, they would have let her go. Instead, her parents kept her
alive in this state for 15 years. Fifteen years! Is being kept alive on
a feeding tube a prescribed method of healing in the bible? Is it puke?
It seems your god called her in (as you would put it) 15 years ago, but
the doctors intervened, and at the request of her parents her body was
kept alive through a feeding tube. Doesn't the bible say something about
prayer and the laying on of hands? Well, I doubt that would have worked,
but her Christian parents (and those legislators in power) are the ones
guilty of keeping her "alive" this long, a result of wishful thinking - a
demonstrated christer trait. If I try desperately to think like a
christer here, I can imagine a tug-of-war between god and them. God
having "called her in" fifteen years ago, and her parents denying his
wishes through the "miracle" of technology. And all this contrary to
Terri's own wishes as expressed to her husband, a wish to be let go of if
this kind of thing ever happened to her.
My irony meter is straining to keep up with this...
OK, reality check here. I don't think religion (or lack thereof) has
anything to do with it, myself. It's merely a tearful reluctance on the
part of Terri's parents, and their inability to progress beyond the
"hope" stage in accepting death. It's human psychology, and it has
nothing to do with gods and divine calling.
(This is a question to Christians; I don't actually profess to believe
in God, of course.)
You aren't that bright.
Funny how this seems to be your ongoing argument against atheists, yet
you cannot convincingly illustrate it. So it remains as the rest of your
arguments do - unbacked *****.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Mar 2005 02:40:27 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:35:36 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the
atheists.
Were Terri's parents atheists, Duke?
Even if they were, they are demonstrating human love and recognizing God's call
for her life to end when he's ready, not her husband's.
If they were they probably would
have recognized the end for what it was, and however painful it would
have been, they would have let her go.
Like I said, atheists want her to die, Christians want her to live until God
calls her. He doesn't need the help of a bunch of murderers.
Instead, her parents kept her
alive in this state for 15 years. Fifteen years! Is being kept alive on
a feeding tube a prescribed method of healing in the bible? Is it puke?
The bible says "until he's ready". The bible says "do not take the tube out".
My irony meter is straining to keep up with this...
I'm sorry I'm making you struggle trying to defend killing the girl.
OK, reality check here. I don't think religion (or lack thereof) has
anything to do with it, myself.
Wow, so you're just now starting to figure that out about yourself?
It's merely a tearful reluctance on the
part of Terri's parents, and their inability to progress beyond the
"hope" stage in accepting death. It's human psychology, and it has
nothing to do with gods and divine calling.
Does it have to do with the pink unicorn in your pocket?
(This is a question to Christians; I don't actually profess to believe
in God, of course.)
You aren't that bright.
Funny how this seems to be your ongoing argument against atheists, yet
you cannot convincingly illustrate it. So it remains as the rest of your
arguments do - unbacked *****.
Hey, you are the ones committing spiritual suicide. That's not very bright of
you.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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21 Mar 2005 01:30:37 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:35:36 -0600, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the
atheists.
Were Terri's parents atheists, Duke?
Even if they were, they are demonstrating human love and recognizing God's call
for her life to end when he's ready, not her husband's.
If they were they probably would
have recognized the end for what it was, and however painful it would
have been, they would have let her go.
Like I said, atheists want her to die, Christians want her to live until God
calls her. He doesn't need the help of a bunch of murderers.
United States Population:
Protestant: 54%
Roman Catholic: 25%
"None": 10.5%
Other (Mormon, Jewish, etc.): 10.5%
[Source: Wikipedia.com]
Terri Schiavo Poll:
If you were in the condition of Terri Schiavo, would you want to be kept
alive?
Kept alive: 8%
Not kept alive: 87%
Unsure: 4%
Who should have the final say in the Terri Schiavo case:
Parents: 25%
Spouse: 65%
Other: 2%
Neither: 2%
Unsure: 6%
[Source: pollingreport.com]
Care to restate?
Instead, her parents kept her
alive in this state for 15 years. Fifteen years! Is being kept alive on
a feeding tube a prescribed method of healing in the bible? Is it puke?
The bible says "until he's ready". The bible says "do not take the tube out".
Nor does it say anything about transgenders or the Internet. So what?
My irony meter is straining to keep up with this...
I'm sorry I'm making you struggle trying to defend killing the girl.
She's already dead. She's only being kept alive by artificial means.
She will never "snap out of it" because there's nothing there to "snap
into."
OK, reality check here. I don't think religion (or lack thereof) has
anything to do with it, myself.
Wow, so you're just now starting to figure that out about yourself?
It's merely a tearful reluctance on the
part of Terri's parents, and their inability to progress beyond the
"hope" stage in accepting death. It's human psychology, and it has
nothing to do with gods and divine calling.
Does it have to do with the pink unicorn in your pocket?
Nope. The IPU has nothing to do with our way of thinking. We don't
believe in the IPU at all. The IPU is a fictional character we atheists
made up to show how stupid it is to live your life according to a
character you cannot prove even exists.
(This is a question to Christians; I don't actually profess to believe
in God, of course.)
You aren't that bright.
Funny how this seems to be your ongoing argument against atheists, yet
you cannot convincingly illustrate it. So it remains as the rest of your
arguments do - unbacked *****.
Hey, you are the ones committing spiritual suicide. That's not very bright of
you.
And you're the one committing spiritual suicide by coming here to the
ones you labeled "Satanists". Bugger off, duke, we don't want your
"help". Follow your Jesus, your Luke and Matthew, your Noah and John,
your Daniel and Job, and leave us in peace.
Oh, and tell your President to stop taking our country down the line to
theocracy. This will be my last post to you, duke.
*PLONK*
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19 Mar 2005 05:34:52 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, duke wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:52:42 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Terri Schiavo has been in the news a lot lately. The Florida woman has
been in a vegetative state for 15 years, kept alive artificially via a
feeding tube. Recently, a judge ruled in her husband's favor to remove
her feeding tube.
Now, question:
Why are the Christians keeping her from "God"?
Aren't we pissing off God for not
following His wishes? I say remove the feeding tube and let God decide
what He wants to do with her. If he wants her to stay alive, she'll
live. If not, she won't. What's the problem?
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
Are the doctors atheists? -- those who have diagnosed Terri Schiavo's
condition as persistant vegetative state?
What do atheists have to do with Michael Schiavo's acting in behalf of his
wife?
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Mar 2005 12:14:20 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:52 -0600, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Are the doctors atheists? -- those who have diagnosed Terri Schiavo's
condition as persistant vegetative state?
What do atheists have to do with Michael Schiavo's acting in behalf of his
wife?
Helping him "get the money".
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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20 Mar 2005 07:16:07 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:14:20 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:52 -0600, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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20 Mar 2005 05:10:18 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:sl8q31ltregekgh9528v68vdc2topfkkoa@4ax.com:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:14:20 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:52 -0600, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the
atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
Funny thing is, Earl keeps claiming Michael Schiavo said "show me the
money"--yet Michael has turned down TWO opportunities to get filthy
stinking republican rich off of this. First a $10 million offer, then a
smaller $1 million offer to just drop the fight. These two are apparently
the biggies, among other attempts to buy him off.
http://www.stonescryout.org/archives/2005/03/michael_schiavo.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43259
From the second link:
<quote>
2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Michael Schiavo rejected an offer of $1 million to give up guardianship of
his brain-damaged wife – an attempt by a California businessman to save her
from court-ordered starvation set to begin next Friday.
George Felos, attorney for the estranged husband, called the offer
"offensive," and said other offers, including one for $10 million, already
had been made and rejected.
</quote>
Earl won't notice, though. He's invincibly, willfully stupid. I don't see
how anyone can live in such a small head as he does.
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Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Never use a weapon you don't like the taste of.
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20 Mar 2005 02:25:56 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
She can't feed herself.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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20 Mar 2005 04:13:34 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:25:56 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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20 Mar 2005 05:11:43 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:a68r3155bmeula5s980dmn1j2ve4448d36@4ax.com:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:25:56 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
Everything. Please remember that Earl is anacephalic himself.
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Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Never use a weapon you don't like the taste of.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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21 Mar 2005 03:25:47 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:25:56 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
You expect Duke to object to being brainless?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Jez" |
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21 Mar 2005 05:48:38 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:25:56 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
You expect Duke to object to being brainless?
Hehe, if ever there was proof you don't need a brain to exist, it's
gotta be Duke !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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21 Mar 2005 12:25:34 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:13:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
What part of God taking her when he's ready don't you understand?
People ask why does God let people suffer? It greatly satisfies God's call to
us to love one another as he loves us. Her place in heaven is well earned. And
ours is being brought out.
To the atheist that still refuses to love as God calls us, well, it's your bed,
lie in it.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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21 Mar 2005 06:55:12 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:25:34 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:13:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
What part of God taking her when he's ready don't you understand?
People ask why does God let people suffer? It greatly satisfies God's call to
us to love one another as he loves us. Her place in heaven is well earned. And
ours is being brought out.
About twenty years ago I found myself spending one Saturday morning
sitting on a man's chest, holding a loaded firearm to his head. As
this transpired, other friends loaded this man's wife and all her
possessions into a truck. She needed our help, see, because he had
broken her arms the week before. The dude was a sadist, and as we
left, he was still screaming about how he loved the woman he had
beaten and broken.
You God is worse. He's a sadist and a torturer, and you're happy
little abused child.
You make me sick.
To the atheist that still refuses to love as God calls us, well, it's your bed,
lie in it.
I don't put up with abusers. Oh, the guy? Ended up dead in a field.
Somebody shot him, strangely enough...
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
22 Mar 2005 04:23:04 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
What part of God taking her when he's ready don't you understand?
If we take the feeding tube out and she doesn't die, then God
will have decided he doesn't want her yet.
I had to laugh darkly when I heard Michael Medved complaining a
"do not resucitate on cardiac arrest" order was inhumane because it did
not allow "nature to take its course." What could be more unnatural
than the invasive procedures of cardiac recovery?
Elf
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
21 Mar 2005 03:54:32 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:13:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
What part of God taking her when he's ready don't you understand?
Seems to me that (assuming he exists) he's taken away her brain and her
ability to eat.
How loudly does God have to call before you hear him?
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
21 Mar 2005 09:08:45 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:54:32 -0600, Tim McGaughy <teekem@ispwest.com>
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:13:34 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
She can't feed herself.
Dukie, she *doesn't have a brain anymore*! The portions of here brain
that control thought have fallen apart, leaving a large cavity filled
with spinal fluid. There is no hope of recovery - none.
what part of this do you not understand?
What part of God taking her when he's ready don't you understand?
Seems to me that (assuming he exists) he's taken away her brain and her
ability to eat.
How loudly does God have to call before you hear him?
Most Christians only hear their god calling when they agree with what
he's saying. <G>
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
21 Mar 2005 01:17:34 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Duke, Terri Schiavo no longer has a cerebral cortex. It's gone.
Nothing more that a pool of spinal fluid there. There is no brain
left!
What exactly are you keeping alive here?
She can't feed herself.
Duke, if your hard drive melted in your computer, destroying the
motherboard and case, would you keep your computer? Yes, it still can
power up, but the computer is "not functional" and can never be
"rebooted". Would you keep your computer?
There is no Terri Schiavo there any more. The doctor's confirmed that.
There is only a pool of spinal fluid.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
20 Mar 2005 03:29:24 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:34:52 -0600, Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Oh, really? Got proof he's not? Did he actually come out and say that
he was not Christian?
Are the doctors atheists? -- those who have diagnosed Terri Schiavo's
condition as persistant vegetative state?
What do atheists have to do with Michael Schiavo's acting in behalf of his
wife?
Helping him "get the money".
And why is this ANYONE'S business but Michael's? He's got sole legal
guardianship. I have to say, bugger off, duke. This isn't any of your
or my concern.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
20 Mar 2005 02:24:31 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:29:24 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Oh, really? Got proof he's not? Did he actually come out and say that
he was not Christian?
A Christian knows better than to do what he's doing.
Are the doctors atheists? -- those who have diagnosed Terri Schiavo's
condition as persistant vegetative state?
What do atheists have to do with Michael Schiavo's acting in behalf of his
wife?
Helping him "get the money".
And why is this ANYONE'S business but Michael's? He's got sole legal
guardianship. I have to say, bugger off, duke. This isn't any of your
or my concern.
Personally I thought it was Terry's business, not his.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
21 Mar 2005 01:15:45 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:29:24 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Oh, really? Got proof he's not? Did he actually come out and say that
he was not Christian?
A Christian knows better than to do what he's doing.
And you're an authority on the minds and hearts of Christians, eh? You
can't even get the definition of "atheist" right.
Are the doctors atheists? -- those who have diagnosed Terri Schiavo's
condition as persistant vegetative state?
What do atheists have to do with Michael Schiavo's acting in behalf of his
wife?
Helping him "get the money".
And why is this ANYONE'S business but Michael's? He's got sole legal
guardianship. I have to say, bugger off, duke. This isn't any of your
or my concern.
Personally I thought it was Terry's business, not his.
Terri's business was that she didn't want the feeding tube. Perhaps if
I repeat this enough, it'll get through your noggin.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
21 Mar 2005 03:24:28 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:29:24 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Is Michael Schiavo an atheist?
As far as I know, he said "show me the money."
We know he's not a Christian.
Oh, really? Got proof he's not? Did he actually come out and say that
he was not Christian?
A Christian knows better than to do what he's doing.
I hear bagpipes.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
20 Mar 2005 02:57:58 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:52:42 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
My apologies if this was posted before. I searched the archives and
didn't see anything.
I have a question to Christians:
Terri Schiavo has been in the news a lot lately. The Florida woman has
been in a vegetative state for 15 years, kept alive artificially via a
feeding tube. Recently, a judge ruled in her husband's favor to remove
her feeding tube.
Now, question:
Why are the Christians keeping her from "God"?
Obviously, God wanted
her to be in a vegetative state.
If that's true, then Christian action of battling the removal of the tube is
what God wants. Right?
How do you know? Christians, themselves, say "God works in mysterious
ways".
What if God wanted her to end her term
on earth and join Him in heaven?
What if God wants the unquestioned love of millions of Christians to battle the
forces of evil known as satan and his merry band of atheists?
I love Terri. Probably more than you do. That's why I hate to see her
suffering at the hans of technology and against her own professed
wishes. And, sorry, but we don't believe in Satan just as we don't
believe in God. Try again. You can't equate atheism with satanism.
Satanism is an off-shoot of Christianity, not atheism
Aren't we pissing off God for not
following His wishes? I say remove the feeding tube and let God decide
what He wants to do with her. If he wants her to stay alive, she'll
live. If not, she won't. What's the problem?
When God wants her, she'll arrive. But it's his decision, not the atheists.
Right. And not the decisions of doctors and Jeb Bush. So, the feeding
tube is removed now; let's see if He'll take her.
(This is a question to Christians; I don't actually profess to believe
in God, of course.)
You aren't that bright.
Ad hominem attacks don't work for you, duke. You aren't that bright.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
20 Mar 2005 02:33:55 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:57:58 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Obviously, God wanted
her to be in a vegetative state.
If that's true, then Christian action of battling the removal of the tube is
what God wants. Right?
How do you know? Christians, themselves, say "God works in mysterious
ways".
You're the one that said it. She is as God wants her.
She is beyond sin now. God has her place all picked out for her. She is
soliciting multitudes of sympathetic love from others. And many are condemning
themselves for pushing to let her starve to death.
This is Adam and Eve all over again.
What if God wants the unquestioned love of millions of Christians to battle the
forces of evil known as satan and his merry band of atheists?
I love Terri. Probably more than you do. That's why I hate to see her
suffering at the hans of technology and against her own professed
wishes.
Sorry, bubba. No one knows her expressed wish here. Her husband said one
thing, her family knows nothing about it.
And, sorry, but we don't believe in Satan just as we don't
believe in God. Try again. You can't equate atheism with satanism.
Satanism is an off-shoot of Christianity, not atheism
Satan is manipulating you right now.
Right. And not the decisions of doctors and Jeb Bush. So, the feeding
tube is removed now; let's see if He'll take her.
Oh, he never refuses a worthy soul.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Terri Schiavo and Christians |
21 Mar 2005 01:20:38 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:57:58 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Obviously, God wanted
her to be in a vegetative state.
If that's true, then Christian action of battling the removal of the tube is
what God wants. Right?
How do you know? Christians, themselves, say "God works in mysterious
ways".
You're the one that said it. She is as God wants her.
She is beyond sin now. God has her place all picked out for her. She is
soliciting multitudes of sympathetic love from others. And many are condemning
themselves for pushing to let her starve to death.
This is Adam and Eve all over again.
And we're keeping her from God. Arrogance, not "Adam and Eve", is
keeping her alive now.
What if God wants the unquestioned love of millions of Christians to battle the
forces of evil known as satan and his merry band of atheists?
I love Terri. Probably more than you do. That's why I hate to see her
suffering at the hans of technology and against her own professed
wishes.
Sorry, bubba. No one knows her expressed wish here. Her husband said one
thing, her family knows nothing about it.
Then it's a legal guardian versus a non-legal guardian. The legal
guardian wins, in this case.
And, sorry, but we don't believe in Satan just as we don't
believe in God. Try again. You can't equate atheism with satanism.
Satanism is an off-shoot of Christianity, not atheism
Satan is manipulating you right now.
Satan is a Christian figure; thus I cannot be affected with this threat.
Right. And not the decisions of doctors and Jeb Bush. So, the feeding
tube is removed now; let's see if He'll take her.
Oh, he never refuses a worthy soul.
Great, then let's stop keeping her from Him. That's what the Christian
Scientists say, right? And you're not allowed to use the "No True
Scotsman" fallacy in response to this question.
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