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06 Oct 2006 06:08:50 AM |
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Terrorism to the rescue! |
With flames surpassing heights of 100 feet, and more than
15,000 residents asked to evacuate, Republicans accross
America are welcoming the latest "terrorist attack."
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=5504977&nav=2Ifu
As was the case when bioterrorism agents were conveniently
detected during an anti-war rally...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1002-01.htm
......Or the deadly anthrax attacks which targetted Democratic
politicians and members of what the GOP calls "The liberal
media elite"....
http://experts.about.com/e/0/2001_anthrax_attacks.htm
....The "terrorist" have, once again, struck at a place and time
most beneficial to the Republican party.
Amazing how that always works out, huh?
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06 Oct 2006 05:49:45 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
With flames surpassing heights of 100 feet, and more than
15,000 residents asked to evacuate, Republicans accross
America are welcoming the latest "terrorist attack."
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=5504977&nav=2Ifu
As was the case when bioterrorism agents were conveniently
detected during an anti-war rally...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1002-01.htm
......Or the deadly anthrax attacks which targetted Democratic
politicians and members of what the GOP calls "The liberal
media elite"....
http://experts.about.com/e/0/2001_anthrax_attacks.htm
....The "terrorist" have, once again, struck at a place and time
most beneficial to the Republican party.
Amazing how that always works out, huh?
Although the second has the smack of "how conveinent" actually I've
heard the idea that the terrorists really want the GOP to win. I know
that may sound weird, but hear me out. Which party accomplishes the
goals of radicalizing the area, increasing oil consumption(funding),
creating more martyrs, backing Israel at all costs...in essence
bringing them the holy war they so desperately crave?
Is it the so called "*****" Democrats?
I telly you if I was a Jihadic strategy maker, who'd I'd want to
win...the Republicans all the way. It may be a conspriacy, but it has
the GOP as the dupe, not the conspirator.
Hatter
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06 Oct 2006 08:44:09 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:49:45 -0700, Hatter wrote:
JTEM wrote:
With flames surpassing heights of 100 feet, and more than
15,000 residents asked to evacuate, Republicans accross
America are welcoming the latest "terrorist attack."
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=5504977&nav=2Ifu
As was the case when bioterrorism agents were conveniently
detected during an anti-war rally...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1002-01.htm
......Or the deadly anthrax attacks which targetted Democratic
politicians and members of what the GOP calls "The liberal
media elite"....
http://experts.about.com/e/0/2001_anthrax_attacks.htm
....The "terrorist" have, once again, struck at a place and time
most beneficial to the Republican party.
Amazing how that always works out, huh?
Although the second has the smack of "how conveinent" actually I've
heard the idea that the terrorists really want the GOP to win. I know
that may sound weird, but hear me out. Which party accomplishes the
goals of radicalizing the area, increasing oil consumption(funding),
creating more martyrs, backing Israel at all costs...in essence
bringing them the holy war they so desperately crave?
Of course the Islamists want our radicals in charge. They need each other...
--
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"Everything New Orleans"
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Oct 2006 12:17:31 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:44:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:49:45 -0700, Hatter wrote:
JTEM wrote:
With flames surpassing heights of 100 feet, and more than
15,000 residents asked to evacuate, Republicans accross
America are welcoming the latest "terrorist attack."
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=5504977&nav=2Ifu
As was the case when bioterrorism agents were conveniently
detected during an anti-war rally...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1002-01.htm
......Or the deadly anthrax attacks which targetted Democratic
politicians and members of what the GOP calls "The liberal
media elite"....
http://experts.about.com/e/0/2001_anthrax_attacks.htm
....The "terrorist" have, once again, struck at a place and time
most beneficial to the Republican party.
Amazing how that always works out, huh?
Although the second has the smack of "how conveinent" actually I've
heard the idea that the terrorists really want the GOP to win. I know
that may sound weird, but hear me out. Which party accomplishes the
goals of radicalizing the area, increasing oil consumption(funding),
creating more martyrs, backing Israel at all costs...in essence
bringing them the holy war they so desperately crave?
Of course the Islamists want our radicals in charge. They need each other...
They're ***** buddies.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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06 Oct 2006 09:01:23 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
With flames surpassing heights of 100 feet, and more than
15,000 residents asked to evacuate, Republicans accross
America are welcoming the latest "terrorist attack."
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=5504977&nav=2Ifu
Odd, all the news reports are calling this an accident,
and I can't find anyone "welcoming" it. Could you point
me to your source?
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "JTEM" |
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06 Oct 2006 09:12:08 PM |
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Odd, all the news reports are calling this an accident,
and I can't find anyone "welcoming" it. Could you point
me to your source?
I was listening to AM (right-wing) radio the few hours
after it occured.
The word "terrorism" was invoked numerous times. Yes,
often it "no evidence that it was..." or "Let's hope it
wasn't...." but always the word.
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| User: "" |
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07 Oct 2006 03:23:04 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Odd, all the news reports are calling this an accident,
and I can't find anyone "welcoming" it. Could you point
me to your source?
I was listening to AM (right-wing) radio the few hours
after it occured.
The word "terrorism" was invoked numerous times. Yes,
often it "no evidence that it was..." or "Let's hope it
wasn't...." but always the word.
Got it. Someone said "I hope it wasn't terrorism", and
you heard "Yippee!! It was terrorism!!". I can see how
you could have made that mistake, the two phrases
sound very similar.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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07 Oct 2006 05:45:23 AM |
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Got it.
You wish.
Someone said "I hope it wasn't terrorism",
...and, "Was it terrorism?"
....and, "What if it turns out to be terrorism?
....and, "Do you think it's terrorism?"
...and so on & so on.
Very much like how Bush "never" claimed Iraq
was involved in 9/11, but also never gave a speech
trying to justify Iraq without invoking 9/11 at least
a half dozen times.... and usually far more than that.
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| User: "" |
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07 Oct 2006 01:51:22 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Got it.
You wish.
You must be a magic genie then, since my wish came true.
Someone said "I hope it wasn't terrorism",
...and, "Was it terrorism?"
....and, "What if it turns out to be terrorism?
....and, "Do you think it's terrorism?"
...and so on & so on.
Yep - and none of those phrases are anything like what
you led with. You heard what you wanted to hear.
Very much like how Bush "never" claimed Iraq
was involved in 9/11, but also never gave a speech
trying to justify Iraq without invoking 9/11 at least
a half dozen times.... and usually far more than that.
9/11 changed US foriegn policy, JTEM. He says in
those speeches why 9/11 is referenced in relation
to US intentions in the middle east/central asia, both
in general and in specific. If you heard him the way
you heard that talk show host, I can see why you
saw it as some huge disinformation campaign.
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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08 Oct 2006 05:08:47 AM |
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9/11 changed US foriegn policy, JTEM.
Money. Mouth. Put.
Because here in reality, Bush foreign policy AFTER
9/11 is exactly the same as Bush foreign policy
BEFORE 9/11.
In fact, it was all spelled out by Condoleezza Rice in
2000 -- BEFORE Bush ever stole office.
See: Foreign Affairs Magazine, "Campaign 200 --
Promoting the National Interest"
And, yeah, there's no place for war with Iran in that
policy.
In the future, please limit your responses to only your
fellow Kool-Aid drinkers. It's your ONLY chance to
be taken seriously.
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| User: "" |
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09 Oct 2006 01:48:01 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
9/11 changed US foriegn policy, JTEM.
Money. Mouth. Put.
Yep, one-word sentences are about the highest
literary achievement I ought to be expecting from
you at this point.
Because here in reality, Bush foreign policy AFTER
9/11 is exactly the same as Bush foreign policy
BEFORE 9/11.
Which is why American tanks and military bases are
toppling governments and killing "insurgents"
wholesale now, instead of before 9/11.
In fact, it was all spelled out by Condoleezza Rice in
2000 -- BEFORE Bush ever stole office.
Ah, you're a "Bush stole the election" nut. Thanks,
I'd forgotten you were so far out of touch with reality.
In the future, please limit your responses to only your
fellow Kool-Aid drinkers. It's your ONLY chance to
be taken seriously.
Pot! How ya doin', long time no see. How are you
and Kettle getting along?
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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10 Oct 2006 01:12:05 AM |
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Because here in reality, Bush foreign policy AFTER
9/11 is exactly the same as Bush foreign policy
BEFORE 9/11.
Which is why American tanks and military bases are
toppling governments and killing "insurgents"
wholesale now, instead of before 9/11.
Apparently you are the last human being on the face of the
planet to hear that the Iraq invasion was planned from the
start of the Bush administration.
When you catch up to reality, let us know. We can have
a real conversation based on established facts -- like the
Rice article published in 2000 -- instead of your fantasies.
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10 Oct 2006 09:23:27 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Because here in reality, Bush foreign policy AFTER
9/11 is exactly the same as Bush foreign policy
BEFORE 9/11.
Which is why American tanks and military bases are
toppling governments and killing "insurgents"
wholesale now, instead of before 9/11.
Apparently you are the last human being on the face of the
planet to hear that the Iraq invasion was planned from the
start of the Bush administration.
They planned for contingencies. Competent people
do that. I can understand how you'd need some help
in understanding competent people, based on your
recent posts.
When you catch up to reality, let us know.
I don't know if my phone service reaches the
distance between you and reality...if you want
contact with reality, maybe you ought to do
your own moving.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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11 Oct 2006 04:00:31 AM |
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Apparently you are the last human being on the face of the
planet to hear that the Iraq invasion was planned from the
start of the Bush administration.
They planned for contingencies.
They waited for the first excuse.
Competent people do that.
....when they couldn't spin 9/11 that way, they invented
the whole "WMDs" and "Al Qaida" ties schtick out of
whole cloth.
You need to catch up.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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11 Oct 2006 03:42:09 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Apparently you are the last human being on the face of the
planet to hear that the Iraq invasion was planned from the
start of the Bush administration.
They planned for contingencies.
They waited for the first excuse.
Competent people do that.
....when they couldn't spin 9/11 that way, they invented
the whole "WMDs" and "Al Qaida" ties schtick out of
whole cloth.
You need to catch up.
Despite the fact of what you are saying is true, I don't think its
going to make it past the "auto-conservative" filter...and it doesn't
change the fact the bulk of America buys into the Iraq WMD and Al Qaida
ties ***** that has been fed to them.
Hatter
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11 Oct 2006 03:46:51 PM |
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Hatter wrote:
JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Apparently you are the last human being on the face of the
planet to hear that the Iraq invasion was planned from the
start of the Bush administration.
They planned for contingencies.
They waited for the first excuse.
Competent people do that.
....when they couldn't spin 9/11 that way, they invented
the whole "WMDs" and "Al Qaida" ties schtick out of
whole cloth.
You need to catch up.
Despite the fact of what you are saying is true, I don't think its
going to make it past the "auto-conservative" filter...and it doesn't
change the fact the bulk of America buys into the Iraq WMD and Al Qaida
ties ***** that has been fed to them.
I think you and yours stink a bit much to have any credibility
calling ***** on others.
Do you need the list, again, of the Democrats who were hell
for leather about WMD's in Iraq? Do you need, again, the
list of the US reasons for attacking Iraq, that went far, far
beyond WMD's? It's pathetic the way you harp on what
hasn't played out, hoping everyone will forget the reasons
for war that are more supported by the evidence every day.
--
Walt Smith
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11 Oct 2006 07:10:12 PM |
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Do you need the list, again, of the Democrats who
were hell for leather about WMD's in Iraq?
...based on the FAKE intelligence the administration
fed them.
Chalabi & pals took millions from the Pentagon in
exchange for lying their ***** off. Faith's job was to
provide the ready made "assessments." Cheney and
others twisted arms to get it included in the CIA
briefings. Congress got the briefings.
Again, this is really old news.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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11 Oct 2006 10:12:30 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you need the list, again, of the Democrats who
were hell for leather about WMD's in Iraq?
...based on the FAKE intelligence the administration
fed them.
Chalabi & pals took millions from the Pentagon in
exchange for lying their ***** off. Faith's job was to
provide the ready made "assessments." Cheney and
others twisted arms to get it included in the CIA
briefings. Congress got the briefings.
Again, this is really old news.
See what I mean about the "auto conservative" filters?
Hatter
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16 Oct 2006 05:52:33 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you need the list, again, of the Democrats who
were hell for leather about WMD's in Iraq?
...based on the FAKE intelligence the administration
fed them.
JTEM, do you have any idea what the House and
Senate Intelligence Committees actually do, and the
relationship between what they see, what the President
sees, and what CNN usually sees? You're acting like
you don't know, I'm just checking to see if you've got
a different angle on this.
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16 Oct 2006 07:07:57 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 10:52:33 -0700, wrote:
JTEM wrote:
wrote:
Do you need the list, again, of the Democrats who
were hell for leather about WMD's in Iraq?
...based on the FAKE intelligence the administration
fed them.
JTEM, do you have any idea what the House and
Senate Intelligence Committees actually do, and the
relationship between what they see, what the President
sees, and what CNN usually sees?
Bush has final say over which intelligence reports are available to
Congress.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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Bozo the Clown."
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11 Oct 2006 07:15:30 PM |
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Do you need the list, again, of the Democrats who
were hell for leather about WMD's in Iraq?
...based on the FAKE intelligence the administration
fed them.
Chalabi & pals took millions from the Pentagon in
exchange for lying their ***** off. Faith's job was to
provide the ready made "assessments." Cheney and
others twisted arms to get it included in the CIA
briefings. Congress got the briefings.
Again, this is really old news.
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12 Oct 2006 02:21:14 AM |
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On 11 Oct 2006 08:46:51 -0700, wrote:
Do you need the list, again, of the Democrats who were hell
for leather about WMD's in Iraq?
Sold a bill of goods by Putsch.
Do you need, again, the
list of the US reasons for attacking Iraq, that went far, far
beyond WMD's?
The only one that holds a little humidity was "get Saddam". That just
happens to be illegal by international law. We interfered with the
way a sovereign nation ran itself.
Firelock on DALNet
Not really.
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12 Oct 2006 02:18:59 AM |
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On 11 Oct 2006 08:42:09 -0700, "Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
Despite the fact of what you are saying is true, I don't think its
going to make it past the "auto-conservative" filter...and it doesn't
change the fact the bulk of America buys into the Iraq WMD and Al Qaida
ties ***** that has been fed to them.
No question. If they didn't, Putsch would have had to start working
for Daddy after the 2004 elections.
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works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
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11 Oct 2006 03:42:48 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
Apparently you are the last human being on the face of the
planet to hear that the Iraq invasion was planned from the
start of the Bush administration.
They planned for contingencies.
They waited for the first excuse.
If they're as evil as you want them to be, they wouldn't
have needed an excuse.
Competent people do that.
....when they couldn't spin 9/11 that way, they invented
the whole "WMDs" and "Al Qaida" ties schtick out of
whole cloth.
Ah, another person who wasn't listening to what his own
government said before the Iraqi invasion began.
You need to catch up.
I've already lapped you and your master's talking points,
JTEM.
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12 Oct 2006 02:23:23 AM |
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On 11 Oct 2006 08:42:48 -0700, wrote:
JTEM wrote:
wrote:
They waited for the first excuse.
If they're as evil as you want them to be, they wouldn't
have needed an excuse.
Evil, not totally stupid.
Ah, another person who wasn't listening to what his own
government said before the Iraqi invasion began.
We listened to the lies - that's the point. We were lied to in order
for Putsch to get the votes, and (he hoped, even though it didn't
work) the international cooperation.
One word - yellowcake. Choke on it.
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16 Oct 2006 05:55:56 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 11 Oct 2006 08:42:48 -0700, wrote:
JTEM wrote:
wrote:
They waited for the first excuse.
If they're as evil as you want them to be, they wouldn't
have needed an excuse.
Evil, not totally stupid.
They'll leave that to you and yours, that way you can play to your
strengths.
Ah, another person who wasn't listening to what his own
government said before the Iraqi invasion began.
We listened to the lies - that's the point.
You realize that you're claiming that all your heroes from Clinton to
Kerry were
so stupid and gullible that *Bush* was able to fool them? Considering
what
you believe about Bush's intellect, that's very amusing.
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16 Oct 2006 07:00:45 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 10:55:56 -0700, wrote:
You realize that you're claiming that all your heroes from Clinton to
Kerry were >so stupid and gullible that *Bush* was able to fool them?
Fool who? CONGRESS voted to allow the war, not Clinton or Kerry.
Considering what you believe about Bush's intellect
Bush has no intellect, but he has very clever handlers.
Going to actually register the nick, some day, that you claim is
yours?
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17 Oct 2006 08:26:58 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 10:55:56 -0700, wrote:
You realize that you're claiming that all your heroes from Clinton to
Kerry were >so stupid and gullible that *Bush* was able to fool them?
Fool who? CONGRESS voted to allow the war, not Clinton or Kerry.
Both Clintons publicly supported it. You're unaware of Senators
Hillary Clinton and John Kerry's voting records? I've known for
some time that your responses are mainly emotive rather than
informed, so such a lack of knowledge wouldn't suprise me.
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18 Oct 2006 12:07:17 AM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 13:26:58 -0700, wrote:
Both Clintons publicly supported it.
Based on information released by? Oh, by Bush & Cheney.
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conviction."
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18 Oct 2006 03:16:42 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 13:26:58 -0700, wrote:
Both Clintons publicly supported it.
Based on information released by? Oh, by Bush & Cheney.
Thus you again accuse your heroes of being foolish enough
to be tricked by Bush...isn't that special?
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18 Oct 2006 07:59:43 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 20:16:42 -0700, wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 13:26:58 -0700, wrote:
Both Clintons publicly supported it.
Based on information released by? Oh, by Bush & Cheney.
Thus you again accuse your heroes of being foolish enough
to be tricked by Bush...isn't that special?
Yep, foolish enough to trust that the president of the US would give
his Congress access to truthful information, so that they could do
their jobs.
Stupid and naive of them, isn't it, to expect the leader of the
greatest nation in the US to not be a bald-faced liar?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been
witnessed. Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
- Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's genocide in the Iraq war. 11-28-2004
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