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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "duke"
Date: 18 Jun 2004 12:31:13 PM
Object: Terrorists killed him.
duke
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I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 03:39:33 PM
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.

That sounds like a terrorist threat.
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User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 06:14:47 PM
In alt.atheism on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:31:13 -0500, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> let us all know that:
Religious terrorists.
Just like YOU.
People like YOU killed him.
How does it feel?
Don
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User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 06:34:39 PM
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:14:47 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:31:13 -0500, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> let us all know that:

Religious terrorists.

Just like YOU.

People like YOU killed him.

How does it feel?

Don't bother asking. Duke's undoubtedly among the wingnuts who insist
that the 9/11 hijackers had to be atheists to do what they did.
.
User: "Uncle Dollar Bill"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 09:40:27 PM
In alt.atheism on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:34:39 GMT, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:14:47 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

Religious terrorists.

Just like YOU.

People like YOU killed him.

How does it feel?

Don't bother asking. Duke's undoubtedly among the wingnuts who insist
that the 9/11 hijackers had to be atheists to do what they did.

I've heard the argument already that because someone is of a different
religion, they're still technically atheists because they don't
believe in any "_real_" gods.
Are these people just too much or what?
--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
****************************************
All one need do in order to produce evil
is to simply not fight it.
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User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 02:16:04 PM
In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
are ever caught is death.

duke

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User: "John M Price PhD"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 07:54:20 PM
In alt.atheism article <nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
: I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: are ever caught is death.
Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.
Of course nuking Meccah wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
destroy the Buddhas after all.
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God is coming back in the person of Jesus Christ and those who are saved -
covered by the blood of the lamb - are gonna be with him for eternity 'n'
those that are not will not be. And creationism is another opportunity to
make sure that people, while they still have time, can address their
relationship to their god and be square with him for eternity.
- Ed Jollman, (sp?) Kansas Resident, witness to the KS Board of
Education which vetoed evolution.
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User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 04:42:39 AM
In article <40d38ebc$0$21962$d368eab@news.calweb.com>,
John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism article
<nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

: I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: are ever caught is death.

Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.

That would be a mistake. The power of martyrdom is something to take
seriously out there.


Of course nuking Meccah wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
destroy the Buddhas after all.

There must be a better way to end this than attempting to perpetuate the
cycle or escalating revenge and the destruction of innocent lives. We've
made more than enough mistakes in the Middle East, haven't we?
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User: "John M Price PhD"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 11:21:09 AM
In alt.atheism article <nemo0037-240D39.05423919062004@news02.east.earthlink.net> *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: In article <40d38ebc$0$21962$d368eab@news.calweb.com>,
: John M Price PhD <
> wrote:
: > In alt.atheism article
: > <nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo*
: > <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: > : In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: > : duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
: >
: > : I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: > : terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: > : are ever caught is death.
: >
: > Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
: > interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
: > terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.
: That would be a mistake. The power of martyrdom is something to take
: seriously out there.
Maybe. But so is attrition.
: > Of course nuking Meccah wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
: > destroy the Buddhas after all.
: There must be a better way to end this than attempting to perpetuate the
: cycle or escalating revenge and the destruction of innocent lives. We've
: made more than enough mistakes in the Middle East, haven't we?
Yes, and the best thing I think possible, though Turkey would surely hate
it, would be to actually take Iraq and turn it into the three nations it
really is. The Brits fouled that place up dramatically.
then take that hunk from Afghanistan and Pakistan and let those tribes be
the state they naturally are.
However WRT Al-Qaeda, your call for a better way requires a rational
discussion. Do you actually see that happening?
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Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And danced the skies on laughter silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of --
Wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence.
Hovering there
I've chased the shouting wind along and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up along delirious, burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,
Where never lark, or even eagle flew;
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
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User: "raven1"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 02:45:02 AM
On 19 Jun 2004 00:54:20 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
wrote:

In alt.atheism article <nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

: I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: are ever caught is death.

Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.

Of course nuking Meccah

Mecca.

wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
destroy the Buddhas after all.

Methinks you're referring to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Wrong bunch
of fanatics.
.
User: "John M Price PhD"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 11:17:44 AM
In alt.atheism article <s3s7d0dhqepnbueikfomu5tn6tp8sekoqq@4ax.com> raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
: On 19 Jun 2004 00:54:20 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: wrote:
: >In alt.atheism article <nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: >: In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: >: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
: >
: >: I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: >: terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: >: are ever caught is death.
: >
: >Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
: >interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
: >terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.
: >
: >Of course nuking Meccah
: Mecca.
: >wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
: >destroy the Buddhas after all.
: Methinks you're referring to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Wrong bunch
: of fanatics.
The Taliban and Al-Qaeda seem to have a strong partnership forged in
similar interpretations of their holy screed. This being the case, and
the strong Saudi connections to Al-Qaeda, I see little problems there.
It would be a shame for all the other Musslemen not involved. Oh well.
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We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is
necessarily--given the political realities--going to be very modest...
So then we'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and
then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again.
Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a
slice. Our ultimate goal--total control of handguns in the United
States--is going to take time... The first problem is to slow down the
increasing number of guns being produced and sold in this country. The
second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is
to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition
except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed
sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors totally illegal.
- Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc.,
founded the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, as
quoted in The New Yorker Magazine 1976
.
User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 01:43:35 PM
On 19 Jun 2004 16:17:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
wrote:

In alt.atheism article <s3s7d0dhqepnbueikfomu5tn6tp8sekoqq@4ax.com> raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
: On 19 Jun 2004 00:54:20 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
: wrote:

: >In alt.atheism article <nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: >: In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: >: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
: >
: >: I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: >: terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: >: are ever caught is death.
: >
: >Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
: >interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
: >terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.
: >
: >Of course nuking Meccah

: Mecca.

: >wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
: >destroy the Buddhas after all.

: Methinks you're referring to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Wrong bunch
: of fanatics.

The Taliban and Al-Qaeda seem to have a strong partnership forged in
similar interpretations of their holy screed. This being the case, and
the strong Saudi connections to Al-Qaeda, I see little problems there.

It would be a shame for all the other Musslemen not involved. Oh well.

Oh well?
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
.
User: "John M Price PhD"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 05:20:19 PM
In alt.atheism article <c729d09mpd4cute58c3o835josjgrac6dj@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: On 19 Jun 2004 16:17:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: wrote:
: >In alt.atheism article <s3s7d0dhqepnbueikfomu5tn6tp8sekoqq@4ax.com> raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
: >: On 19 Jun 2004 00:54:20 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: >: wrote:
: >
: >: >In alt.atheism article <nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: >: >: In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: >: >: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
: >: >
: >: >: I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: >: >: terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: >: >: are ever caught is death.
: >: >
: >: >Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
: >: >interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
: >: >terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.
: >: >
: >: >Of course nuking Meccah
: >
: >: Mecca.
: >
: >: >wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
: >: >destroy the Buddhas after all.
: >
: >: Methinks you're referring to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Wrong bunch
: >: of fanatics.
: >
: >The Taliban and Al-Qaeda seem to have a strong partnership forged in
: >similar interpretations of their holy screed. This being the case, and
: >the strong Saudi connections to Al-Qaeda, I see little problems there.
: >
: >It would be a shame for all the other Musslemen not involved. Oh well.
: Oh well?
Seems to have been the major sentiment of the Muslims WRT the WTC, now,
doesn't it. I heard not much protest. I do hear more protest against
this barbarism, though.
Do you have a rational response to this action/group? Is there one? I
certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the basis of
the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is happening. We seem to
want to punish ourselves in some strange fashion.
I am also not sure complete abandonment of the Middle East is a bad idea,
as long as it is done 100%, including dropping aid to all those nations.
They do not like us. So let them be. They will sort themsleves out. Our
(Western) intervention circa WWI is part of the problem anyway.
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and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because
of, the lack of evidence.
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User: "Eric Pepke"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 21 Jun 2004 03:40:23 PM
John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote in message news:<40d4bc23$0$22014$d368eab@news.calweb.com>...

Do you have a rational response to this action/group? Is there one? I
certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the basis of
the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is happening. We seem to
want to punish ourselves in some strange fashion.

The notion of reaction seems a bit strange. We didn't nuke Modesto because
Laci Peterson got killed.
It all seems to come down to an us versus them kind of thing. I feel it,
too. But I'm not going to go so far as to advocate it.
I think one good thing to do would be to dismantle the Amazing Teflon
Muslim Protection Force Field that has been popular amongst the left
and in academia ever since Said published _Orientalism._ I've seen it
work in this newsgroup, how, like, you're not allowed to say anything
bad about the followers of Islam, because Christians have done bad
stuff too, and why don't you talk about Christians, you racist bigot scum!
I think it's coming down, because I don't see as much of that knee-jerk
reaction as I used to.
As far as US liberties go, there's been some degradation, and IMO too
much, but also not as much as a lot of people thought there would be.
What bothers me is when "security measures" are done only for show.
.
User: "Lord Calvert"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 21 Jun 2004 04:20:51 PM

Do you have a rational response to this action/group? Is there one? I
certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the basis of
the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is happening. We seem to
want to punish ourselves in some strange fashion.


The notion of reaction seems a bit strange. We didn't nuke Modesto because
Laci Peterson got killed.

We also didn't attack Pendleton, NY when the Oklahoma City federal building
blew up, although judging by the response the Bush administration gave to the
9/11 attacks, perhaps we should have.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
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leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 21 Jun 2004 05:12:48 PM
forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert) wrote in
news:20040621172051.11381.00000222@mb-m23.aol.com:

Do you have a rational response to this action/group? Is there one?
I certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the
basis of the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is
happening. We seem to want to punish ourselves in some strange
fashion.


The notion of reaction seems a bit strange. We didn't nuke Modesto
because Laci Peterson got killed.


We also didn't attack Pendleton, NY when the Oklahoma City federal
building blew up, although judging by the response the Bush
administration gave to the 9/11 attacks, perhaps we should have.

What a moronic argument.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.
User: "Madelin McKinnon"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 21 Jun 2004 09:49:15 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<Xns950FB94B1C7C3fstone69@207.69.154.204>...

forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert) wrote in
news:20040621172051.11381.00000222@mb-m23.aol.com:

Do you have a rational response to this action/group? Is there one?
I certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the
basis of the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is
happening. We seem to want to punish ourselves in some strange
fashion.


The notion of reaction seems a bit strange. We didn't nuke Modesto
because Laci Peterson got killed.


What about Chandra Levy?
Scott and Gary Condit are both INNOCENT, why nuke them?
http://www.geocities.com/bobnevin/national.htm
.



User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 22 Jun 2004 02:46:30 AM
On 21 Jun 2004 13:40:23 -0700,
(Eric Pepke) wrote:

John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote in message news:<40d4bc23$0$22014$d368eab@news.calweb.com>...

Do you have a rational response to this action/group? Is there one? I
certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the basis of
the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is happening. We seem to
want to punish ourselves in some strange fashion.


The notion of reaction seems a bit strange. We didn't nuke Modesto because
Laci Peterson got killed.

It all seems to come down to an us versus them kind of thing. I feel it,
too. But I'm not going to go so far as to advocate it.

I think one good thing to do would be to dismantle the Amazing Teflon
Muslim Protection Force Field that has been popular amongst the left
and in academia ever since Said published _Orientalism._ I've seen it
work in this newsgroup, how, like, you're not allowed to say anything
bad about the followers of Islam, because Christians have done bad
stuff too, and why don't you talk about Christians, you racist bigot scum!

Strawmen are such fun. People should be criticized for what they do.
It is idiotic to criticize all Christians for the slaughter in Bosnia.
It is idiotic to criticize all Moslems for the terrorist attacks in
the US and elsewhere. It is also idiotic to make believe that the
attacks are motivated solely by Moslem fanaticism, that the
anti-Western bias felt in Middle East has absolutely no rational
basis; and no, that is not justifying the attacks.


I think it's coming down, because I don't see as much of that knee-jerk
reaction as I used to.

As far as US liberties go, there's been some degradation, and IMO too
much, but also not as much as a lot of people thought there would be.

What bothers me is when "security measures" are done only for show.

Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has nothing on," said a little child.
.


User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 20 Jun 2004 03:29:22 AM
On 19 Jun 2004 22:20:19 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
wrote:

In alt.atheism article <c729d09mpd4cute58c3o835josjgrac6dj@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: On 19 Jun 2004 16:17:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
: wrote:

snip

: >: >Of course nuking Meccah
: >
: >: Mecca.
: >
: >: >wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
: >: >destroy the Buddhas after all.
: >
: >: Methinks you're referring to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Wrong bunch
: >: of fanatics.
: >
: >The Taliban and Al-Qaeda seem to have a strong partnership forged in
: >similar interpretations of their holy screed. This being the case, and
: >the strong Saudi connections to Al-Qaeda, I see little problems there.
: >
: >It would be a shame for all the other Musslemen not involved. Oh well.

: Oh well?

Seems to have been the major sentiment of the Muslims WRT the WTC, now,
doesn't it. I heard not much protest. I do hear more protest against
this barbarism, though.

I see. They did not contact you and tell you they thought it was a
bad thing, therefore it is okay to nuke a city full of people that had
nothing to do with the act - OH WELL. By the way (and this really
happened), the day after the attack a Moslem from Iran called me on
the telephone to tell me how horrified he was by what he had seen.


Do you have a rational response to this action/group?

What is rational about nuking Mecca?

Is there one? I
certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the basis of
the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is happening. We seem to
want to punish ourselves in some strange fashion.

I am also not sure complete abandonment of the Middle East is a bad idea,
as long as it is done 100%, including dropping aid to all those nations.
They do not like us. So let them be.

After all the West has never done anything wrong. The entire thing is
the result of fanatic Moslems, and all Moslems are fanatic or support
them. They won't play nice? that's just fine; we won't play with
them.

They will sort themsleves out. Our
(Western) intervention circa WWI is part of the problem anyway.

And they don't have anything we want. And don't forget that
instability there has no effect on the rest of the world. No doubt
about it, your solution is the way to go.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
.
User: "John M Price PhD"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 20 Jun 2004 12:50:44 PM
In alt.atheism article <tfiad018m2dpj1ka9j4ua6qnlq1tat8f93@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: On 19 Jun 2004 22:20:19 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: wrote:
: >In alt.atheism article <c729d09mpd4cute58c3o835josjgrac6dj@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: >: On 19 Jun 2004 16:17:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: >: wrote:
: snip
: >: >: >Of course nuking Meccah
: >: >
: >: >: Mecca.
: >: >
: >: >: >wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
: >: >: >destroy the Buddhas after all.
: >: >
: >: >: Methinks you're referring to the Taliban in Afghanistan. Wrong bunch
: >: >: of fanatics.
: >: >
: >: >The Taliban and Al-Qaeda seem to have a strong partnership forged in
: >: >similar interpretations of their holy screed. This being the case, and
: >: >the strong Saudi connections to Al-Qaeda, I see little problems there.
: >: >
: >: >It would be a shame for all the other Musslemen not involved. Oh well.
: >
: >: Oh well?
: >
: >Seems to have been the major sentiment of the Muslims WRT the WTC, now,
: >doesn't it. I heard not much protest. I do hear more protest against
: >this barbarism, though.
: I see. They did not contact you and tell you they thought it was a
: bad thing, therefore it is okay to nuke a city full of people
I am more at the shrine than the people.
that had
: nothing to do with the act - OH WELL.
OK, Be a fucking *****.
I watched, waited, looked, and saw no reports of said statements. It took
months for even one of the local Imams to make such a statement. Months.
Now, though, WRT the beheading of Johnson, such condemnations are
occurring.
By the way (and this really
: happened), the day after the attack a Moslem from Iran called me on
: the telephone to tell me how horrified he was by what he had seen.
Goog for him. Knowing a few Iranians, I would actually expect that. I
still saw no real condemnation from them. Do you have links to those
published notices? I would expect from the level of assinity you've taken
that a plethora exists that I missed. Please, send over fifty at a time.
: >Do you have a rational response to this action/group?
: What is rational about nuking Mecca?
No response, then, eh?
The rationale is to bring the level of our response to that which they are
most likely to understand. That position is derived from their present
behavior. I think that 'taking the high ground' will likely be seen as
weaknes or success on their part. Nothing more.
I await your erudite real reply to my request.
: >Is there one? I
: >certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the basis of
: >the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is happening. We seem to
: >want to punish ourselves in some strange fashion.
: >I am also not sure complete abandonment of the Middle East is a bad idea,
: >as long as it is done 100%, including dropping aid to all those nations.
: >They do not like us. So let them be.
: After all the West has never done anything wrong. The entire thing is
: the result of fanatic Moslems, and all Moslems are fanatic or support
: them. They won't play nice? that's just fine; we won't play with
: them.
This problem *is* a Western one. Read below, but for content.
: >They will sort themsleves out. Our
: >(Western) intervention circa WWI is part of the problem anyway.
: And they don't have anything we want.
We do not need to be there to purchase goods and resources.
And don't forget that
: instability there has no effect on the rest of the world.
If it was truly isolated?
No doubt
: about it, your solution is the way to go.
I await your erudite real reply to my request.
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User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 21 Jun 2004 01:31:08 AM
On 20 Jun 2004 17:50:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
wrote:

In alt.atheism article <tfiad018m2dpj1ka9j4ua6qnlq1tat8f93@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: On 19 Jun 2004 22:20:19 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
: wrote:

snip


: >
: >Seems to have been the major sentiment of the Muslims WRT the WTC, now,
: >doesn't it. I heard not much protest. I do hear more protest against
: >this barbarism, though.

: I see. They did not contact you and tell you they thought it was a
: bad thing, therefore it is okay to nuke a city full of people

I am more at the shrine than the people.

that had
: nothing to do with the act - OH WELL.

OK, Be a fucking *****.

I watched, waited, looked, and saw no reports of said statements. It took
months for even one of the local Imams to make such a statement. Months.
Now, though, WRT the beheading of Johnson, such condemnations are
occurring.

What difference does that make? How does that justify slaughtering
people that had nothing to do with the attack?


By the way (and this really
: happened), the day after the attack a Moslem from Iran called me on
: the telephone to tell me how horrified he was by what he had seen.

Goog for him. Knowing a few Iranians, I would actually expect that. I
still saw no real condemnation from them. Do you have links to those
published notices? I would expect from the level of assinity you've taken

How many do you need before you will consider it wrong to bomb a city?


: >Do you have a rational response to this action/group?

: What is rational about nuking Mecca?
No response, then, eh?

Attacking the group would be rational. Attacking anybody in the
region is absurd. Surely you are able to grasp that.


The rationale is to bring the level of our response to that which they are
most likely to understand.

Kill people who had nothing to do with the attack.
That position is derived from their present

behavior. I think that 'taking the high ground' will likely be seen as
weaknes or success on their part. Nothing more.

Instead you will kill people who had nothing to do with the attack.


I await your erudite real reply to my request.

I await something reasonable from you. Apparently you feel that if I
do not have a patent solution to a problem that has been building for
generations it is then perfectly reasonable to slaughter an entire
city. That city, by the way, is located in the same country that is
cooperating with the US in capturing terrorists.


: >Is there one? I
: >certainly do not think erosion of the US liberties, indeed the basis of
: >the US, is the way to go. That, though, is what is happening. We seem to
: >want to punish ourselves in some strange fashion.

: >I am also not sure complete abandonment of the Middle East is a bad idea,
: >as long as it is done 100%, including dropping aid to all those nations.
: >They do not like us. So let them be.

: After all the West has never done anything wrong. The entire thing is
: the result of fanatic Moslems, and all Moslems are fanatic or support
: them. They won't play nice? that's just fine; we won't play with
: them.

This problem *is* a Western one. Read below, but for content.

: >They will sort themsleves out. Our
: >(Western) intervention circa WWI is part of the problem anyway.
: And they don't have anything we want.
We do not need to be there to purchase goods and resources.

Actually we do.


And don't forget that
: instability there has no effect on the rest of the world.

If it was truly isolated?

How do we accomplish that feat? Do we build a wall around all Moslem
countries. Maybe Halliburton will take the contract. Do you think
the countries will notice?


No doubt
: about it, your solution is the way to go.

I await your erudite real reply to my request.

See above concerning any patent solution. Your solution is simplistic
beyond belief. Back when Christians were slaughtering Moslems in
Bosnia, perhaps Paris should have been bombed to teach the Christians
a lesson.
.
User: "John M Price PhD"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 22 Jun 2004 11:05:05 PM
In alt.atheism article <tuvcd09stl6b3uud7prthotkstb9lv55ou@4ax.com> Thomas P. <thomasagain@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: On 20 Jun 2004 17:50:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: wrote:
: >In alt.atheism article <tfiad018m2dpj1ka9j4ua6qnlq1tat8f93@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: >: On 19 Jun 2004 22:20:19 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: >: wrote:
: >
: snip
: >
: >: >
: >: >Seems to have been the major sentiment of the Muslims WRT the WTC, now,
: >: >doesn't it. I heard not much protest. I do hear more protest against
: >: >this barbarism, though.
: >
: >: I see. They did not contact you and tell you they thought it was a
: >: bad thing, therefore it is okay to nuke a city full of people
: >
: >I am more at the shrine than the people.
: >
: > that had
: >: nothing to do with the act - OH WELL.
: >
: >OK, Be a fucking *****.
: >
: >I watched, waited, looked, and saw no reports of said statements. It took
: >months for even one of the local Imams to make such a statement. Months.
: >Now, though, WRT the beheading of Johnson, such condemnations are
: >occurring.
: What difference does that make? How does that justify slaughtering
: people that had nothing to do with the attack?
Missed the shrine bit, I see. OK, then.
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User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 23 Jun 2004 02:53:03 AM
On 23 Jun 2004 04:05:05 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
wrote:

In alt.atheism article <tuvcd09stl6b3uud7prthotkstb9lv55ou@4ax.com> Thomas P. <thomasagain@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: On 20 Jun 2004 17:50:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
: wrote:

: >In alt.atheism article <tfiad018m2dpj1ka9j4ua6qnlq1tat8f93@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: >: On 19 Jun 2004 22:20:19 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
: >: wrote:
: >
: snip
: >
: >: >
: >: >Seems to have been the major sentiment of the Muslims WRT the WTC, now,
: >: >doesn't it. I heard not much protest. I do hear more protest against
: >: >this barbarism, though.
: >
: >: I see. They did not contact you and tell you they thought it was a
: >: bad thing, therefore it is okay to nuke a city full of people
: >
: >I am more at the shrine than the people.
: >
: > that had
: >: nothing to do with the act - OH WELL.
: >

: >OK, Be a fucking *****.
: >
: >I watched, waited, looked, and saw no reports of said statements. It took
: >months for even one of the local Imams to make such a statement. Months.
: >Now, though, WRT the beheading of Johnson, such condemnations are
: >occurring.

: What difference does that make? How does that justify slaughtering
: people that had nothing to do with the attack?

Missed the shrine bit, I see. OK, then.

Reduced to non sequiturs, I see. Let me put it in very simple terms
for you. People who do not commit a crime or pay others to do it are
not responsible for that crime. It makes no difference what they say
or do not say after the crime is committed. It makes no difference if
they share the religion, politics or nationality of the people who did
commit the crime. Other Moslems or other Arabs are no more guilty
than any other persons not involved in the attacks. That should be
obvious, but apparently you find it to be a difficult concept.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has nothing on," said a little child.
.
User: "John M Price PhD"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 26 Jun 2004 03:29:59 PM
In alt.atheism article <hgdid0938g0j5gsln7q05265troe7gd6b8@4ax.com> Thomas P. <thomasagain@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: On 23 Jun 2004 04:05:05 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: wrote:
: >In alt.atheism article <tuvcd09stl6b3uud7prthotkstb9lv55ou@4ax.com> Thomas P. <thomasagain@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: >: On 20 Jun 2004 17:50:44 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: >: wrote:
: >
: >: >In alt.atheism article <tfiad018m2dpj1ka9j4ua6qnlq1tat8f93@4ax.com> Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
: >: >: On 19 Jun 2004 22:20:19 GMT, John M Price PhD <
>
: >: >: wrote:
: >: >
: >: snip
: >: >
: >: >: >
: >: >: >Seems to have been the major sentiment of the Muslims WRT the WTC, now,
: >: >: >doesn't it. I heard not much protest. I do hear more protest against
: >: >: >this barbarism, though.
: >: >
: >: >: I see. They did not contact you and tell you they thought it was a
: >: >: bad thing, therefore it is okay to nuke a city full of people
: >: >
: >: >I am more at the shrine than the people.
: >: >
: >: > that had
: >: >: nothing to do with the act - OH WELL.
: >: >
: >
: >: >OK, Be a fucking *****.
: >: >
: >: >I watched, waited, looked, and saw no reports of said statements. It took
: >: >months for even one of the local Imams to make such a statement. Months.
: >: >Now, though, WRT the beheading of Johnson, such condemnations are
: >: >occurring.
: >
: >: What difference does that make? How does that justify slaughtering
: >: people that had nothing to do with the attack?
: >
: >Missed the shrine bit, I see. OK, then.
: Reduced to non sequiturs, I see.
Actually, you'd be more correct calling it an ad hominem as I am simply
pointing out that you are reading just what you want, and not for
understanding. That is your lack, not mine.
As to it not following, your missing or intentionally ignoring that
comment does indeed explain your further screed.
Let me put it in very simple terms
: for you. People who do not commit a crime or pay others to do it are
: not responsible for that crime.
Indeed. Yet, still, but expected from you, not my point. But is it a
crime? That, too is an actual question these days. The alternative is
act of war, and at that point, different associations can apply. If it is
indeed seen as war, and it is in fact a religious war, to whom do you
ascribe the term 'combatant'? We (the USAsians) certainly do not want to
so classify this conflict as such, preferring the more politically
malleable term 'terrorism', however the actors of the other side seem at
times to call our acts a 'Crusade', and theirs a religious Jihad. Who do
you believe?
It makes no difference what they say
: or do not say after the crime is committed. It makes no difference if
: they share the religion, politics or nationality of the people who did
: commit the crime. Other Moslems or other Arabs are no more guilty
: than any other persons not involved in the attacks. That should be
: obvious, but apparently you find it to be a difficult concept.
I do not find it a difficult concept at all. I am saying that the
barbarous fools who are driving this do not understand it. Nor do they
understand much in the way of diplomacy, discussion, all the other various
forms of conflict resolutions. Hence my idea to treat them in the same
fashion as they treat others. Remove their shrine for a start.
Now then, and once again, just what solution do you have? Of course there
may be no other solution, or in fact no solution at all. I can live with
that. However rather than behaving on a level seemingly much above these
folk's abilit to comprehend, I do suggest we step down to their level.
They might get a clue. That may be the only way to let them even have a
chance at getting a clue. It's not like they are an advance society,
after all. They really are a tribal folk, still.
And yes, I can have hope that Iraq will succeed, what with its past
secular structure. That may be the only success there, unless religion
once again heads up the government. The result then will be a nasty civil
war, likely worse than Yugoslavia.
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User: "Thomas P."

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 02:09:17 AM
On 19 Jun 2004 00:54:20 GMT, John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
wrote:

In alt.atheism article <nemo0037-DBD718.15160418062004@news04.east.earthlink.net> *nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.net> wrote:
: In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>,
: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

: I just saw the news. These people sure do know a lot about inciting
: terror. It's a shame that the worst that could happen to them if they
: are ever caught is death.

Some of them *are* caught. Maybe the full weight of the Saud family's
interpretation of Islamic justice should be imposed with all the captured
terrorists being killed in one fell swoop.

Of course nuking Meccah wouldn't bother me too much. Those idiots did
destroy the Buddhas after all.

The people of Mecca did?
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
.



User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 12:41:28 PM
In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>, duke says...
You're not actually gloating over this, are you?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.
User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 02:18:19 PM
In article <cPFAc.6313$H4.267@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>, duke says...

You're not actually gloating over this, are you?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

I sort of think that Duke might actually be experiencing some human
feelings regarding this. It would be a first, and most welcome.
--
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 02:20:36 PM
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:19 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

In article <cPFAc.6313$H4.267@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>, duke says...

You're not actually gloating over this, are you?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557


I sort of think that Duke might actually be experiencing some human
feelings regarding this. It would be a first, and most welcome.

It's horrible. Although one wonders if this would have happened if we
hadn't mistreated prisoners ourselves. Eg Jessica Lynch was treated
well.
.
User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 18 Jun 2004 08:04:32 PM
In article <a1g6d0pl2i096vpd41858nd036tas7bb3j@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:19 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:

In article <cPFAc.6313$H4.267@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>, duke says...

You're not actually gloating over this, are you?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557


I sort of think that Duke might actually be experiencing some human
feelings regarding this. It would be a first, and most welcome.


It's horrible. Although one wonders if this would have happened if we
hadn't mistreated prisoners ourselves. Eg Jessica Lynch was treated
well.

It's an interesting "what-if" -- one thing is certain, however. The
cycle of revenge-feedback is one of the worst ways humans can relate to
each other. It will have to stop some day... but when?
I noted that Our Glorious Leader has stated that our response to this
horror will be strong and swift. Sounds a little out of kilter, coming
from a suposedly devout follower of the guy who said "turn the other
cheek."
It's pretty obvious that America won't stop the process of violence and
revenge over there, and al-Qaida sure won't. Getting into a
death-struggle with these people is like shoveling smoke. It's not going
to get any better for the near future, I expect. :{
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 06:57:28 AM
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:41:28 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>, duke says...

You're not actually gloating over this, are you?

Not any more than you are.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Terrorists killed him. 19 Jun 2004 12:59:56 PM
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:41:28 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

In article <am96d093r9n7553stvmb48astbk10qjvs7@4ax.com>, duke says...

You're not actually gloating over this, are you?

Not any more than you are.
duke
*****
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear
it now. When he comes, the Holy Spirit will declare
to you the things that are coming. John 16:12-15.
*****
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