Religions > Atheism > Texas: GOP Raises Religion in Court Race, Calling Democrat an Atheist
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"Brian Westley" |
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07 Oct 2006 04:26:23 PM |
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Texas: GOP Raises Religion in Court Race, Calling Democrat an Atheist |
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1160125527178
Religion has entered the political fray in a race for an appellate court
bench in east Texas.
The Austin-based Republican Party of Texas played the religion card in a
Sept. 21 online newsletter. As alleged in the newsletter, Texarkana solo
E. Ben Franks, Democratic nominee for a seat on the 6th Court of
Appeals, "is reported to be a professed atheist" and apparently believes
the Bible is a "collection of myths.'"
But Franks says he has never professed to be an atheist and is not a
member of any atheist organization. Franks says no one with the
Republican Party ever asked him whether he professes to be an atheist.
However, he says he's not surprised by the allegation.
"I'm not surprised at anything anybody says in politics anymore," Franks
says.
Anthony Champagne, a political science professor at the University of
Texas at Dallas, says he has watched judicial races in Texas and other
parts of the country for 25 years and has never before seen a judicial
candidate accused of being an atheist.
....
The Republican Party's allegation that Franks is an atheist stems from a
June 18, 2002, article published in the El Paso Times, after the Texas
Democratic Party held its state convention in the far west Texas city.
As noted in the article, Democrats on the party's platform committee
debated whether to drop "God" from a sentence on the first page of the
committee's platform report that read: "We want a Texas where all people
can fulfill their dreams and achieve their God-given potential."
The article quotes Franks, a member of the platform committee, as
saying, "I'm an atheist, [and] this does not bother me. I'm a
pragmatist."
Franks says the article misquoted him and what he said was, "Let's say
I'm an atheist. I still have no problem with this platform, because I'm
a pragmatist." What he was saying, Franks says, is that, if he were an
atheist, he would not be offended by the reference to God in the
platform.
But Jeff Fisher, the state Republican Party's executive director, says
there are other sources of the allegation. Fisher says "some people who
know Franks" -- people whom Fisher did not identify -- have told him
that Franks professes to be an atheist.
Fisher says the GOP sent the newsletter to people who subscribe to the
party's e-mail publications to inform them about Franks. "We have a
candidate running for the 6th Court who clearly shows he's out of touch
with the people," he says.
Amber Moon, spokeswoman for the Texas Democratic Party, says, "The
Republican Party of Texas is questioning somebody else's faith in order
to win an election, and that's completely out of line."
Moon also says she thinks it's inappropriate for the Republican Party's
executive director, who is a political operative, to pass judgment on
another person's faith.
Officially, however, there can be no religious test for holding office.
Charles W. "Rocky" Rhodes, an associate professor at South Texas College
of Law, says the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a state cannot exclude
somebody from office for his or her religious beliefs or lack of
religious beliefs.
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| User: "Gail Futoran" |
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| Title: Re: Texas: GOP Raises Religion in Court Race, Calling Democrat an Atheist |
08 Oct 2006 01:45:13 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
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http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1160125527178
Religion has entered the political fray in a race for an appellate court
bench in east Texas.
The Austin-based Republican Party of Texas played the religion card in a
Sept. 21 online newsletter. As alleged in the newsletter, Texarkana solo
E. Ben Franks, Democratic nominee for a seat on the 6th Court of
Appeals, "is reported to be a professed atheist" and apparently believes
the Bible is a "collection of myths.'"
But Franks says he has never professed to be an atheist and is not a
member of any atheist organization. Franks says no one with the
Republican Party ever asked him whether he professes to be an atheist.
However, he says he's not surprised by the allegation.
"I'm not surprised at anything anybody says in politics anymore," Franks
says.
Anthony Champagne, a political science professor at the University of
Texas at Dallas, says he has watched judicial races in Texas and other
parts of the country for 25 years and has never before seen a judicial
candidate accused of being an atheist.
...
The Republican Party's allegation that Franks is an atheist stems from a
June 18, 2002, article published in the El Paso Times, after the Texas
Democratic Party held its state convention in the far west Texas city.
As noted in the article, Democrats on the party's platform committee
debated whether to drop "God" from a sentence on the first page of the
committee's platform report that read: "We want a Texas where all people
can fulfill their dreams and achieve their God-given potential."
The article quotes Franks, a member of the platform committee, as
saying, "I'm an atheist, [and] this does not bother me. I'm a
pragmatist."
Franks says the article misquoted him and what he said was, "Let's say
I'm an atheist. I still have no problem with this platform, because I'm
a pragmatist." What he was saying, Franks says, is that, if he were an
atheist, he would not be offended by the reference to God in the
platform.
But Jeff Fisher, the state Republican Party's executive director, says
there are other sources of the allegation. Fisher says "some people who
know Franks" -- people whom Fisher did not identify -- have told him
that Franks professes to be an atheist.
Fisher says the GOP sent the newsletter to people who subscribe to the
party's e-mail publications to inform them about Franks. "We have a
candidate running for the 6th Court who clearly shows he's out of touch
with the people," he says.
Amber Moon, spokeswoman for the Texas Democratic Party, says, "The
Republican Party of Texas is questioning somebody else's faith in order
to win an election, and that's completely out of line."
Moon also says she thinks it's inappropriate for the Republican Party's
executive director, who is a political operative, to pass judgment on
another person's faith.
Officially, however, there can be no religious test for holding office.
Charles W. "Rocky" Rhodes, an associate professor at South Texas College
of Law, says the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a state cannot exclude
somebody from office for his or her religious beliefs or lack of
religious beliefs.
...
"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification of any office,
or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding
office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the
existence of a Supreme Being." The Texas Constitution, Article 1 - Bill of
Rights, Section 4 - Religious Tests.
If that last phrase doesn't constitute a "religious test", I don't know what
does. Federal law trumps state law in this case, AFAIK, but the fact is
that in TX the *intent* is to have a religious test.
Gail
aa#2247
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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07 Oct 2006 07:05:11 PM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:12ifl9ftbegd730@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1160125527178
Religion has entered the political fray in a race for an appellate court
bench in east Texas.
The Austin-based Republican Party of Texas played the religion card in a
Sept. 21 online newsletter. As alleged in the newsletter, Texarkana solo
E. Ben Franks, Democratic nominee for a seat on the 6th Court of
Appeals, "is reported to be a professed atheist" and apparently believes
the Bible is a "collection of myths.'"
But Franks says he has never professed to be an atheist and is not a
member of any atheist organization. Franks says no one with the
Republican Party ever asked him whether he professes to be an atheist.
However, he says he's not surprised by the allegation.
"I'm not surprised at anything anybody says in politics anymore," Franks
says.
Anthony Champagne, a political science professor at the University of
Texas at Dallas, says he has watched judicial races in Texas and other
parts of the country for 25 years and has never before seen a judicial
candidate accused of being an atheist.
...
The Republican Party's allegation that Franks is an atheist stems from a
June 18, 2002, article published in the El Paso Times, after the Texas
Democratic Party held its state convention in the far west Texas city.
As noted in the article, Democrats on the party's platform committee
debated whether to drop "God" from a sentence on the first page of the
committee's platform report that read: "We want a Texas where all people
can fulfill their dreams and achieve their God-given potential."
The article quotes Franks, a member of the platform committee, as
saying, "I'm an atheist, [and] this does not bother me. I'm a
pragmatist."
Franks says the article misquoted him and what he said was, "Let's say
I'm an atheist. I still have no problem with this platform, because I'm
a pragmatist." What he was saying, Franks says, is that, if he were an
atheist, he would not be offended by the reference to God in the
platform.
But Jeff Fisher, the state Republican Party's executive director, says
there are other sources of the allegation. Fisher says "some people who
know Franks" -- people whom Fisher did not identify -- have told him
that Franks professes to be an atheist.
Fisher says the GOP sent the newsletter to people who subscribe to the
party's e-mail publications to inform them about Franks. "We have a
candidate running for the 6th Court who clearly shows he's out of touch
with the people," he says.
Amber Moon, spokeswoman for the Texas Democratic Party, says, "The
Republican Party of Texas is questioning somebody else's faith in order
to win an election, and that's completely out of line."
Moon also says she thinks it's inappropriate for the Republican Party's
executive director, who is a political operative, to pass judgment on
another person's faith.
Officially, however, there can be no religious test for holding office.
Charles W. "Rocky" Rhodes, an associate professor at South Texas College
of Law, says the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a state cannot exclude
somebody from office for his or her religious beliefs or lack of
religious beliefs.
...
Hmmmm. Could any theist reading this explain to the rest of the members of
this NG exactly *what* is so despicable and depraved about being an
'atheist'? Where's the 'crime'? Where's the justification for being counted
among the most despised group of people on the planet? And while you're at
it: Explain why we ought to show deference to you guys (purportedly because
of your higher 'moral standards') when you Jesus people show nothing but
utter disrespect and contempt for *us*.
Greywolf
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Texas: GOP Raises Religion in Court Race, Calling Democrat an Atheist |
07 Oct 2006 09:19:13 PM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:12ifujmfol0pk51@corp.supernews.com...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:12ifl9ftbegd730@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1160125527178
Religion has entered the political fray in a race for an appellate court
bench in east Texas.
The Austin-based Republican Party of Texas played the religion card in a
Sept. 21 online newsletter. As alleged in the newsletter, Texarkana solo
E. Ben Franks, Democratic nominee for a seat on the 6th Court of
Appeals, "is reported to be a professed atheist" and apparently believes
the Bible is a "collection of myths.'"
But Franks says he has never professed to be an atheist and is not a
member of any atheist organization. Franks says no one with the
Republican Party ever asked him whether he professes to be an atheist.
However, he says he's not surprised by the allegation.
"I'm not surprised at anything anybody says in politics anymore," Franks
says.
Anthony Champagne, a political science professor at the University of
Texas at Dallas, says he has watched judicial races in Texas and other
parts of the country for 25 years and has never before seen a judicial
candidate accused of being an atheist.
...
The Republican Party's allegation that Franks is an atheist stems from a
June 18, 2002, article published in the El Paso Times, after the Texas
Democratic Party held its state convention in the far west Texas city.
As noted in the article, Democrats on the party's platform committee
debated whether to drop "God" from a sentence on the first page of the
committee's platform report that read: "We want a Texas where all people
can fulfill their dreams and achieve their God-given potential."
The article quotes Franks, a member of the platform committee, as
saying, "I'm an atheist, [and] this does not bother me. I'm a
pragmatist."
Franks says the article misquoted him and what he said was, "Let's say
I'm an atheist. I still have no problem with this platform, because I'm
a pragmatist." What he was saying, Franks says, is that, if he were an
atheist, he would not be offended by the reference to God in the
platform.
But Jeff Fisher, the state Republican Party's executive director, says
there are other sources of the allegation. Fisher says "some people who
know Franks" -- people whom Fisher did not identify -- have told him
that Franks professes to be an atheist.
Fisher says the GOP sent the newsletter to people who subscribe to the
party's e-mail publications to inform them about Franks. "We have a
candidate running for the 6th Court who clearly shows he's out of touch
with the people," he says.
Amber Moon, spokeswoman for the Texas Democratic Party, says, "The
Republican Party of Texas is questioning somebody else's faith in order
to win an election, and that's completely out of line."
Moon also says she thinks it's inappropriate for the Republican Party's
executive director, who is a political operative, to pass judgment on
another person's faith.
Officially, however, there can be no religious test for holding office.
Charles W. "Rocky" Rhodes, an associate professor at South Texas College
of Law, says the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a state cannot exclude
somebody from office for his or her religious beliefs or lack of
religious beliefs.
...
Hmmmm. Could any theist reading this explain to the rest of the members of
this NG exactly *what* is so despicable and depraved about being an
'atheist'? Where's the 'crime'? Where's the justification for being
counted among the most despised group of people on the planet? And while
you're at it: Explain why we ought to show deference to you guys
(purportedly because of your higher 'moral standards') when you Jesus
people show nothing but utter disrespect and contempt for *us*.
Because the only reason Christians aren't out raping and killing is because
their god tells them not to. I didn't make that up, I had a Christian tell
me that, in so many words, on television. I asked him if he would rather be
out raping and killing, if not for the strictures of his god, and he
responded "Yes." So I have to assume that Christians think atheists want to
rape and kill because Christians do.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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08 Oct 2006 01:15:35 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:12ifujmfol0pk51@corp.supernews.com...
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:12ifl9ftbegd730@corp.supernews.com...
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1160125527178
Religion has entered the political fray in a race for an appellate court
bench in east Texas.
The Austin-based Republican Party of Texas played the religion card in a
Sept. 21 online newsletter. As alleged in the newsletter, Texarkana solo
E. Ben Franks, Democratic nominee for a seat on the 6th Court of
Appeals, "is reported to be a professed atheist" and apparently believes
the Bible is a "collection of myths.'"
But Franks says he has never professed to be an atheist and is not a
member of any atheist organization. Franks says no one with the
Republican Party ever asked him whether he professes to be an atheist.
However, he says he's not surprised by the allegation.
"I'm not surprised at anything anybody says in politics anymore," Franks
says.
Anthony Champagne, a political science professor at the University of
Texas at Dallas, says he has watched judicial races in Texas and other
parts of the country for 25 years and has never before seen a judicial
candidate accused of being an atheist.
...
The Republican Party's allegation that Franks is an atheist stems from a
June 18, 2002, article published in the El Paso Times, after the Texas
Democratic Party held its state convention in the far west Texas city.
As noted in the article, Democrats on the party's platform committee
debated whether to drop "God" from a sentence on the first page of the
committee's platform report that read: "We want a Texas where all people
can fulfill their dreams and achieve their God-given potential."
The article quotes Franks, a member of the platform committee, as
saying, "I'm an atheist, [and] this does not bother me. I'm a
pragmatist."
Franks says the article misquoted him and what he said was, "Let's say
I'm an atheist. I still have no problem with this platform, because I'm
a pragmatist." What he was saying, Franks says, is that, if he were an
atheist, he would not be offended by the reference to God in the
platform.
But Jeff Fisher, the state Republican Party's executive director, says
there are other sources of the allegation. Fisher says "some people who
know Franks" -- people whom Fisher did not identify -- have told him
that Franks professes to be an atheist.
Fisher says the GOP sent the newsletter to people who subscribe to the
party's e-mail publications to inform them about Franks. "We have a
candidate running for the 6th Court who clearly shows he's out of touch
with the people," he says.
Amber Moon, spokeswoman for the Texas Democratic Party, says, "The
Republican Party of Texas is questioning somebody else's faith in order
to win an election, and that's completely out of line."
Moon also says she thinks it's inappropriate for the Republican Party's
executive director, who is a political operative, to pass judgment on
another person's faith.
Officially, however, there can be no religious test for holding office.
Charles W. "Rocky" Rhodes, an associate professor at South Texas College
of Law, says the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a state cannot exclude
somebody from office for his or her religious beliefs or lack of
religious beliefs.
...
Hmmmm. Could any theist reading this explain to the rest of the members
of this NG exactly *what* is so despicable and depraved about being an
'atheist'? Where's the 'crime'? Where's the justification for being
counted among the most despised group of people on the planet? And while
you're at it: Explain why we ought to show deference to you guys
(purportedly because of your higher 'moral standards') when you Jesus
people show nothing but utter disrespect and contempt for *us*.
Because the only reason Christians aren't out raping and killing is
because their god tells them not to. I didn't make that up, I had a
Christian tell me that, in so many words, on television. I asked him if he
would rather be out raping and killing, if not for the strictures of his
god, and he responded "Yes." So I have to assume that Christians think
atheists want to rape and kill because Christians do.
--
Now is isn't that a kick in the *****. Well, *we* know that we atheists can
match Christians in the 'morality' department any day of the week and twice
on Tuesdays.
About the Christian you spoke to: At least he was being honest. You've got
to give him 'points' for *that*. (The closet rapist.)
Greywolf
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Texas: GOP Raises Religion in Court Race, Calling Democrat an Atheist |
08 Oct 2006 05:11:39 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
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http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1160125527178
Religion has entered the political fray in a race for an appellate
court
bench in east Texas.
The Austin-based Republican Party of Texas played the religion card in
a
Sept. 21 online newsletter. As alleged in the newsletter, Texarkana
solo
E. Ben Franks, Democratic nominee for a seat on the 6th Court of
Appeals, "is reported to be a professed atheist" and apparently
believes
the Bible is a "collection of myths.'"
But Franks says he has never professed to be an atheist and is not a
member of any atheist organization. Franks says no one with the
Republican Party ever asked him whether he professes to be an atheist.
However, he says he's not surprised by the allegation.
"I'm not surprised at anything anybody says in politics anymore,"
Franks
says.
Anthony Champagne, a political science professor at the University of
Texas at Dallas, says he has watched judicial races in Texas and other
parts of the country for 25 years and has never before seen a judicial
candidate accused of being an atheist.
...
The Republican Party's allegation that Franks is an atheist stems from
a
June 18, 2002, article published in the El Paso Times, after the Texas
Democratic Party held its state convention in the far west Texas city.
As noted in the article, Democrats on the party's platform committee
debated whether to drop "God" from a sentence on the first page of the
committee's platform report that read: "We want a Texas where all
people
can fulfill their dreams and achieve their God-given potential."
The article quotes Franks, a member of the platform committee, as
saying, "I'm an atheist, [and] this does not bother me. I'm a
pragmatist."
Franks says the article misquoted him and what he said was, "Let's say
I'm an atheist. I still have no problem with this platform, because I'm
a pragmatist." What he was saying, Franks says, is that, if he were an
atheist, he would not be offended by the reference to God in the
platform.
But Jeff Fisher, the state Republican Party's executive director, says
there are other sources of the allegation. Fisher says "some people who
know Franks" -- people whom Fisher did not identify -- have told him
that Franks professes to be an atheist.
Fisher says the GOP sent the newsletter to people who subscribe to the
party's e-mail publications to inform them about Franks. "We have a
candidate running for the 6th Court who clearly shows he's out of touch
with the people," he says.
Amber Moon, spokeswoman for the Texas Democratic Party, says, "The
Republican Party of Texas is questioning somebody else's faith in order
to win an election, and that's completely out of line."
Moon also says she thinks it's inappropriate for the Republican Party's
executive director, who is a political operative, to pass judgment on
another person's faith.
Officially, however, there can be no religious test for holding office.
Charles W. "Rocky" Rhodes, an associate professor at South Texas
College
of Law, says the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a state cannot
exclude
somebody from office for his or her religious beliefs or lack of
religious beliefs.
...
Hmmmm. Could any theist reading this explain to the rest of the members
of this NG exactly *what* is so despicable and depraved about being an
'atheist'? Where's the 'crime'? Where's the justification for being
counted among the most despised group of people on the planet? And while
you're at it: Explain why we ought to show deference to you guys
(purportedly because of your higher 'moral standards') when you Jesus
people show nothing but utter disrespect and contempt for *us*.
Because the only reason Christians aren't out raping and killing is
because their god tells them not to. I didn't make that up, I had a
Christian tell me that, in so many words, on television. I asked him if
he would rather be out raping and killing, if not for the strictures of
his god, and he responded "Yes." So I have to assume that Christians
think atheists want to rape and kill because Christians do.
--
Now is isn't that a kick in the *****. Well, *we* know that we atheists can
match Christians in the 'morality' department any day of the week and
twice on Tuesdays.
About the Christian you spoke to: At least he was being honest. You've got
to give him 'points' for *that*. (The closet rapist.)
If I take him at his word, yeah!
But, to be fair, I think he was lying simply so he wouldn't have to
surrender the point. Of course, what does it say about Christians that I
have to conclude they're lying in order to grant them the status of normal
human being.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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