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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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11 Jun 2006 04:22:33 AM |
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The 21st Century Will Be The Christian Century |
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend. Throughout the Western world, Christianity is on the
wane. In Europe, the Christian faith has given way to a secular faith
and most churches are empty on a Sunday morning. Only in America is
Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to immigration and
faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
The center of the Christian world is presently moving south to Africa
and South America. In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than
in England and Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have more
baptisms per year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined. Not
only that, but there could be a theological schism developing between
the new Christians in developing countries and their counterparts in
the West. Another trend rarely noted; Christianity is faring very well
in the competition for the soul of the world's poor against Islam.
In 1900, Africa had only 10 million Christians, who represented about
9% of its population and today, nearly half of all Africans profess
their faith in Jesus Christ. Latin America is practically all Christian
and even in Asia, there are over 300 million practicing Christians. The
growth of the Church in the developing nations is phenomenal and
Professor Phillip Jenkins wrote, "In its variety and vitality, in its
global reach, in its association with the world's fastest-growing
societies . . . it is Christianity that will leave the deepest mark on
the twenty-first century." The largest populations of Christians now
live in Africa and Latin America.
This boom will redefine the regions, politics and Christianity
theology. The more secular West is pushing for greater reform in its
churches whereas Southern Hemisphere Christians are requesting a return
to either a more traditional Catholic Church or are flocking to the
evangelical version of Christianity. While Europe and America control
the leadership of the major denominations today, theologians in the
developing world will soon be challenged for leadership roles. Many
believers in the Southern Hemisphere look to spiritual revelation and
exorcism of demonic forces and are creating a new version of early
Christianity.
As many of these countries move toward democracy, the newfound
Christian faith is going to play a key role in the nature of these
nations. In Africa and Asia, Church leaders stand for the Christian
principles of justice and morality. During the 1980s, it was the
Catholic Church and its leader that kept alive the hope of democracy
under the nose of the Marxist regime in Nicaragua. The church played a
key role in ending apartheid in South Africa. The real problem will be
the direct competition for souls with the growth of Islam. We are
seeing conflicts in Sudan and Nigeria. In Sudan, Christians are
persecuted and occasionally enslaved by the government. It is estimated
that Muslims in the North have killed two million Christians and
animists in an attempt to Islamicize the entire country.
While some predict a split between the Church in the Southern
Hemisphere and in the North, others see a more ominous threat as Islam
and Christianity veer on a collision course for converts and influence
in the developing countries. Crusades and jihads may yet bring ruin to
various developing countries. In Nigeria, this conflict has the
potential of spilling in the street where Christians and Muslims are
almost equal in population and some in the Islamic community pushing
for the imposition of the strict Islamic rules that could preclude the
open practice of Christianity.
For the Christian, all persons stand equal to the eyes of God and such
equality can secure peace, freedom and representative government that
protects the rights of all. As Christian influence grows in the
developing nations, new civilizations may yet grow as these nations go
from developing to being developed.
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11 Jun 2006 04:01:42 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in
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Subject: The 21st Century Will Be The Christian Century
But you guys are living in the 14th Century. Gotta play catch up on 7 of
them first.
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Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your phone
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11 Jun 2006 07:02:44 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in
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The 21st century will be The Christian Century.
And being that Christians are one of the most inclined to go to war in
the name of their god, it may be the last cenutry.
--
The actions of the disgraceful Clinton and Bush administrations
make it possible for me to say without shame that I deeply regret
the day I put the uniform of my country. The freedoms that I was
willing to protect with my life are gone. The America of our founders
is dead. All we are waiting for now is rigor mortis.
HotelCharlieOne
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11 Jun 2006 09:15:09 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
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For the Christian, all persons stand equal to the eyes of God and such
equality can secure peace, freedom and representative government that
protects the rights of all. As Christian influence grows in the
developing nations, new civilizations may yet grow as these nations go
from developing to being developed.
<snip>
*Christian equity? Christian *equity!!???
You have *got to be kidding, right?
Get-du-*****-outtahere!?
Christian equity... You holier than thou asswipes! *****!
David H.
#2217
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11 Jun 2006 12:47:25 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend. Throughout the Western world, Christianity is on the
wane. In Europe, the Christian faith has given way to a secular faith
and most churches are empty on a Sunday morning. Only in America is
Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to immigration and
faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Ugh someone build a time machine.
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11 Jun 2006 09:22:07 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1150017753.851824.268040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend. Throughout the Western world, Christianity is on the
wane. In Europe, the Christian faith has given way to a secular faith
and most churches are empty on a Sunday morning. Only in America is
Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to immigration and
faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Ugh someone build a time machine.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/2002/2002-03-07-no-religion.htm#more
Here in America, rather Christinaity is dropping.
Those who claim to have no religion and no spirituality are
growing rapidly, doubling to about 10% of American since 1995.
This growth of non-religious comes at the expense of Christians.
Many of those in turn, are nominal christians at best,
even chrisitians leaders have been dismayed at the lack of
knowldege about religion of many of their own churches, not to mention
people at large, many of whom rarely attend church anyway.
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"I used to think the brain was the most fascinating part
of the body. Then I thought, "Look what's telling me
that."
- Emo Phillips
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "John Baker" |
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11 Jun 2006 05:49:41 AM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 02:22:33 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
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| User: "turk" |
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11 Jun 2006 06:18:05 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 11 Jun 2006 02:22:33 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
Even in the USA, although Christian influence has grown due to that dumbfuck
and his corrupt chronies in the White House, Christianity is on the decline
amongst the populace. Study after study has show that non-belief is
growing, particularly among the educated. And it's even more pronounced in
the rest of the world. His whole premise is *****. He's just doing the
usual pretend optimism act much like a politician hopelessly behind in the
polls.
turk
--
What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When
has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not
obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all?
Richard Dawkins
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11 Jun 2006 06:00:51 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 11 Jun 2006 02:22:33 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
21st Century Christianity is so corrupted and heretical it is as
[spiritually] dead as the Dodo.
Revert back to the Apostolic God-breathed traditions of 1st Century
Christianity, if you really wish to be saved.
2 Thess. 2: 14 "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of
the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and *hold the traditions which ye have
been taught, whether by *word, or our epistle."
Amen!
Jeff...
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11 Jun 2006 08:08:52 AM |
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote:
[...]
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
21st Century Christianity is so corrupted and heretical it is as
[spiritually] dead as the Dodo.
Revert back to the Apostolic God-breathed traditions of 1st Century
Christianity, if you really wish to be saved.
2 Thess. 2: 14 "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of
the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and *hold the traditions which ye have
been taught, whether by *word, or our epistle."
Amen!
Jeff, I think you are missing the point (as usual). Mr Baker was
saying, cleverly, that no-one outside of America is aware of any
booming trend in Christianity. There might be an interest currently
in seeing Christianity debunked, following the success of Dan
Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code", but that is not going to be
reversed by calls for a return to unpopular antedeluvian beliefs.
--
altheim
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11 Jun 2006 11:29:03 AM |
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"altheim" <altheim@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote:
[...]
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
21st Century Christianity is so corrupted and heretical it is as
[spiritually] dead as the Dodo.
Revert back to the Apostolic God-breathed traditions of 1st Century
Christianity, if you really wish to be saved.
2 Thess. 2: 14 "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining
of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and *hold the traditions which ye
have been taught, whether by *word, or our epistle."
Amen!
Jeff, I think you are missing the point (as usual). Mr Baker was
saying, cleverly, that no-one outside of America is aware of any
booming trend in Christianity. There might be an interest currently
in seeing Christianity debunked, following the success of Dan
Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code", but that is not going to be
reversed by calls for a return to unpopular antedeluvian beliefs.
LOL
In other words, Jeff was right: For the most part, 21st Century Christianity
is corrupted and heretical, and rarely bears any resemblance to the
teachings of the 1st Century church.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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11 Jun 2006 12:23:01 PM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"altheim" <altheim@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote:
[...]
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
21st Century Christianity is so corrupted and heretical it is as
[spiritually] dead as the Dodo.
Revert back to the Apostolic God-breathed traditions of 1st Century
Christianity, if you really wish to be saved.
2 Thess. 2: 14 "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining
of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and *hold the traditions which ye
have been taught, whether by *word, or our epistle."
Amen!
Jeff, I think you are missing the point (as usual). Mr Baker was
saying, cleverly, that no-one outside of America is aware of any
booming trend in Christianity. There might be an interest currently
in seeing Christianity debunked, following the success of Dan
Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code", but that is not going to be
reversed by calls for a return to unpopular antedeluvian beliefs.
LOL
In other words, Jeff was right: For the most part, 21st Century
Christianity is corrupted and heretical, and rarely bears any resemblance
to the teachings of the 1st Century church.
Ike
Thanks Ike, there are still some who see the honest truth in what I say, and
can pin-point quite effectively. {;o;}
Jeff...
Jude 1: 3 "Dearly loved friends, I had been planning to write you some
thoughts about the salvation God has given us, but now I find I must write
of something else instead, urging you to stoutly defend the truth that God
gave once for all to his people to keep without change through the years."
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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12 Jun 2006 06:55:57 PM |
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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"altheim" <altheim@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote:
[...]
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
21st Century Christianity is so corrupted and heretical it is as
[spiritually] dead as the Dodo.
Revert back to the Apostolic God-breathed traditions of 1st Century
Christianity, if you really wish to be saved.
2 Thess. 2: 14 "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining
of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and *hold the traditions which ye
have been taught, whether by *word, or our epistle."
Amen!
Jeff, I think you are missing the point (as usual). Mr Baker was
saying, cleverly, that no-one outside of America is aware of any
booming trend in Christianity. There might be an interest currently
in seeing Christianity debunked, following the success of Dan
Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code", but that is not going to be
reversed by calls for a return to unpopular antedeluvian beliefs.
LOL
In other words, Jeff was right: For the most part, 21st Century
Christianity is corrupted and heretical, and rarely bears any resemblance
to the teachings of the 1st Century church.
Ike
Thanks Ike, there are still some who see the honest truth in what I say, and
can pin-point quite effectively. {;o;}
Jeff...
Jude 1: 3 "Dearly loved friends, I had been planning to write you some
thoughts about the salvation God has given us, but now I find I must write
of something else instead, urging you to stoutly defend the truth that God
gave once for all to his people to keep without change through the years."
Except for the fact that Saul of Tarsus complained about the divergence
of the various churches even in his day - go read his epistles again if
you think 1st Century Christianity was wholesome and pure!
WK
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13 Jun 2006 02:46:08 AM |
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"Wunderkind" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"altheim" <altheim@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@add.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote:
[...]
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is
booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even
aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
21st Century Christianity is so corrupted and heretical it is as
[spiritually] dead as the Dodo.
Revert back to the Apostolic God-breathed traditions of 1st Century
Christianity, if you really wish to be saved.
2 Thess. 2: 14 "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the
obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and *hold the traditions which ye
have been taught, whether by *word, or our epistle."
Amen!
Jeff, I think you are missing the point (as usual). Mr Baker was
saying, cleverly, that no-one outside of America is aware of any
booming trend in Christianity. There might be an interest currently
in seeing Christianity debunked, following the success of Dan
Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code", but that is not going to be
reversed by calls for a return to unpopular antedeluvian beliefs.
LOL
In other words, Jeff was right: For the most part, 21st Century
Christianity is corrupted and heretical, and rarely bears any
resemblance to the teachings of the 1st Century church.
Ike
Thanks Ike, there are still some who see the honest truth in what I say,
and can pin-point quite effectively. {;o;}
Jeff...
Jude 1: 3 "Dearly loved friends, I had been planning to write you some
thoughts about the salvation God has given us, but now I find I must
write of something else instead, urging you to stoutly defend the truth
that God gave once for all to his people to keep without change through
the years."
Except for the fact that Saul of Tarsus complained about the divergence of
the various churches even in his day -
Because they were not keeping to the authentic Christian teaching.
go read his epistles again if you think 1st Century Christianity was
wholesome and pure!
WK
It sure was just that "wholesome and pure".
It was the problematic "reprobates" and "false brethren" that wouldn't be
told, and thus were refusing to comply, just as it is today. {;o;}
2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables."
Jeff...
Jude 1: 3 "Dearly loved friends, I had been planning to write you some
thoughts about the salvation God has given us, but now I find I must write
of something else instead, urging you to stoutly defend the truth that God
gave once for all to his people to keep without change through the years."
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11 Jun 2006 11:39:34 PM |
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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist <nospamatall@add.com> wrote in message
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 11 Jun 2006 02:22:33 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
Neither is the rest of the world, oddly enough.
21st Century Christianity is so corrupted and heretical it is as
[spiritually] dead as the Dodo.
Revert back to the Apostolic God-breathed traditions of 1st Century
Christianity, if you really wish to be saved.
2 Thess. 2: 14 "Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of
the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and *hold the traditions which ye have
been taught, whether by *word, or our epistle."
Amen!
Jeff...
No! They should have followed the Gourd!
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16 Jun 2006 02:47:29 PM |
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brique wrote:
No! They should have followed the Gourd!
LOL!!!
Brique, for saying that I officially declare you "cool."
I _love_ the _Life of Brian_!!!
- Jordan
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11 Jun 2006 10:55:55 PM |
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On 11 Jun 2006 02:22:33 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The 21st century will be The Christian Century.
Methinks you're off by 1000 years.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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11 Jun 2006 09:04:27 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1150017753.851824.268040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Only in America is Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to
immigration and faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Nope, it's in decline here as well. Sorry.
The center of the
Christian world is presently moving south to Africa and South America.
In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than in England and
Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have more baptisms per
year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined.
Uh huh. Is *that why you people are so opposed to helping the third world?
It keeps them desperate so they'll clutch any straw? Even your religion?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
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us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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11 Jun 2006 12:41:08 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1150017753.851824.268040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Only in America is Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to
immigration and faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Nope, it's in decline here as well. Sorry.
The center of the
Christian world is presently moving south to Africa and South America.
In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than in England and
Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have more baptisms per
year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined.
Uh huh. Is *that why you people are so opposed to helping the third world?
It keeps them desperate so they'll clutch any straw? Even your religion?
It explains a lot of things. It also explains why the Catholic Church
opposes
all birth control. Keep them poor as long as possible, because rich
countries
just don't give a rat about the old medieval ways.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
11 Jun 2006 02:50:57 PM |
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shrikeback wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:deOdndpogd92vxHZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1150017753.851824.268040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Only in America is Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to
immigration and faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Nope, it's in decline here as well. Sorry.
The center of the
Christian world is presently moving south to Africa and South America.
In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than in England and
Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have more baptisms per
year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined.
Uh huh. Is *that why you people are so opposed to helping the third world?
It keeps them desperate so they'll clutch any straw? Even your religion?
It explains a lot of things. It also explains why the Catholic Church
opposes
all birth control. Keep them poor as long as possible, because rich
countries
just don't give a rat about the old medieval ways.
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS
rage throughout Africa by opposing the use of condoms,
sex education, and so forth. I understand that AIDS is
killing quite a few Africans, so that the desired population
exposion may be delayed.
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| User: "Hyper" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
11 Jun 2006 04:11:55 PM |
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wrote:
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS
rage throughout Africa by opposing the use of condoms,
sex education, and so forth. I understand that AIDS is
killing quite a few Africans, so that the desired population
exposion may be delayed.
The situation is so grim it's funny - have you considered the
evolutionary implications?.
No need for an AIDS vaccine. Go for natural immunity !
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
12 Jun 2006 08:10:15 PM |
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Hyper wrote:
anarcissie@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS
rage throughout Africa by opposing the use of condoms,
sex education, and so forth. I understand that AIDS is
killing quite a few Africans, so that the desired population
exposion may be delayed.
The situation is so grim it's funny - have you considered the
evolutionary implications?.
No need for an AIDS vaccine. Go for natural immunity !
Well, of course, that is the other side of taking away people's
rights to limit their reproduction: an enormous growth of
population which has to be balanced by some sort of massive
killing. Disease is just one of many possibilities; nuclear
war is another. The idea that abortion somehow leads to
nuclear war is exactly the reverse of the truth. It is the
prohibition of abortion, and in general superstitious opposition
to freedom and reason, which lead to nuclear war and other
catastrophes.
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
13 Jun 2006 04:01:33 AM |
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wrote:
Hyper wrote:
wrote:
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS
rage throughout Africa by opposing the use of condoms,
sex education, and so forth. I understand that AIDS is
killing quite a few Africans, so that the desired population
exposion may be delayed.
The situation is so grim it's funny - have you considered the
evolutionary implications?.
No need for an AIDS vaccine. Go for natural immunity !
Well, of course, that is the other side of taking away people's
rights to limit their reproduction: an enormous growth of
population which has to be balanced by some sort of massive
killing.
Why does it have to be balanced by anything? Greater population
is associated with greater per-person production. Starvation occurs
where there is too much government not too much population.
Disease is just one of many possibilities; nuclear
war is another. The idea that abortion somehow leads to
nuclear war is exactly the reverse of the truth. It is the
prohibition of abortion, and in general superstitious opposition
to freedom and reason, which lead to nuclear war and other
catastrophes.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
13 Jun 2006 10:07:18 AM |
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Michael Price wrote:
anarcissie@gmail.com wrote:
Hyper wrote:
anarcissie@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS
rage throughout Africa by opposing the use of condoms,
sex education, and so forth. I understand that AIDS is
killing quite a few Africans, so that the desired population
exposion may be delayed.
The situation is so grim it's funny - have you considered the
evolutionary implications?.
No need for an AIDS vaccine. Go for natural immunity !
Well, of course, that is the other side of taking away people's
rights to limit their reproduction: an enormous growth of
population which has to be balanced by some sort of massive
killing.
Why does it have to be balanced by anything? Greater population
is associated with greater per-person production. Starvation occurs
where there is too much government not too much population.
I think you are going to see more and more government as
people become more crowded. The behavior of crowded rats
is suggestive ("behavioral sink"). The closer people are, the
more the behavior of each affects the situation of the others
and the stronger the motivation will be to control that behavior.
That may be nature's way of taking care of the situation: as
you indicate, governments are notable killing machines and
at some point might well take care of the problem. If they don't
maybe all the furiously evolving pathogenic microorganisms
will do the job, assisted in their spread by the close-packing
of their hosts.
A great harvest of ghosts....
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
13 Jun 2006 10:43:49 AM |
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wrote:
shrikeback wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:deOdndpogd92vxHZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1150017753.851824.268040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Only in America is Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to
immigration and faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Nope, it's in decline here as well. Sorry.
The center of the
Christian world is presently moving south to Africa and South America.
In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than in England and
Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have more baptisms per
year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined.
Uh huh. Is *that why you people are so opposed to helping the third world?
It keeps them desperate so they'll clutch any straw? Even your religion?
It explains a lot of things. It also explains why the Catholic Church
opposes
all birth control. Keep them poor as long as possible, because rich
countries
just don't give a rat about the old medieval ways.
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS
rage throughout Africa by opposing the use of condoms,
sex education, and so forth. I understand that AIDS is
killing quite a few Africans, so that the desired population
exposion may be delayed.
AIDS spending in Africa is at an all time high under Bush. Better luck
lying next time :)
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
13 Jun 2006 01:52:56 PM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1150213429.312308.166650@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
anarcissie@gmail.com wrote:
shrikeback wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:deOdndpogd92vxHZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1150017753.851824.268040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Only in America is Christianity continuing to grow and this is due
to
immigration and faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Nope, it's in decline here as well. Sorry.
The center of the
Christian world is presently moving south to Africa and South
America.
In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than in England and
Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have more baptisms
per
year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined.
Uh huh. Is *that why you people are so opposed to helping the third
world?
It keeps them desperate so they'll clutch any straw? Even your
religion?
It explains a lot of things. It also explains why the Catholic Church
opposes
all birth control. Keep them poor as long as possible, because rich
countries
just don't give a rat about the old medieval ways.
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS
rage throughout Africa by opposing the use of condoms,
sex education, and so forth. I understand that AIDS is
killing quite a few Africans, so that the desired population
exposion may be delayed.
AIDS spending in Africa is at an all time high under Bush. Better luck
lying next time :)
Yep, but its being spent on faith-group run abstinence campaigns rather than
more practical medical and educational methods. How a new-born baby can be
educated to abstain from being born to a HIV positive mother hasn't been
solved yet, but I'm sure research funds are available, apply to No Child
Left Behind, c/o White House.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The End of Christianity Century |
13 Jun 2006 12:40:34 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, omarenoryt in episode
<1150213429.312308.166650@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>...
anarcissie@gmail.com wrote:
shrikeback wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:deOdndpogd92vxHZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@megapath.net...
Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
<1150017753.851824.268040@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Only in America is Christianity continuing to grow and this is due
to immigration and faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
Nope, it's in decline here as well. Sorry.
The center of the
Christian world is presently moving south to Africa and South
America. In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than in
England and Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have
more baptisms per year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland
combined.
Uh huh. Is *that why you people are so opposed to helping the third
world? It keeps them desperate so they'll clutch any straw? Even
your religion?
It explains a lot of things. It also explains why the Catholic Church
opposes
all birth control. Keep them poor as long as possible, because rich
countries
just don't give a rat about the old medieval ways.
On the other hand, they're doing their best to let AIDS rage throughout
Africa by opposing the use of condoms, sex education, and so forth. I
understand that AIDS is killing quite a few Africans, so that the
desired population exposion may be delayed.
AIDS spending in Africa is at an all time high under Bush. Better luck
lying next time :)
Bush is pope???
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Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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11 Jun 2006 04:47:21 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend.
That's a coincidence, reality isn't aware of it either.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The Christian Century |
11 Jun 2006 09:02:30 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century.
Even as church attendance continues to decline. That's a neat trick.
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| User: "shrikeback" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The Christian Century |
11 Jun 2006 12:39:49 PM |
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<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1150034550.404322.319010@m38g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century.
Even as church attendance continues to decline. That's a neat trick.
I think they are counting on the profligate reproduction that
obtains in poverty-stricken nations where Christianity (or any
"be fruitful and multiply" religion) is more influential than here.
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| User: "zonker" |
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| Title: Re: The 21st Century Will Be The Christian Century |
13 Jun 2006 06:34:35 PM |
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before i read this article i had never realized that the expasion of
chrstianity outside of europe was completly by force, for a religion of
peace it sure seems to have spent the last 400 years spreading by
military conquest.
Peace
Zonker
http://www.2000ah.blogspot.com
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/10/094556.php
The Christian Century
October 10, 2005
Tom Donelson
History of Christianity
Paul Johnson
The 21st century will be The Christian Century. Christianity is booming
throughout the world and most of us in North America aren't even aware
of this trend. Throughout the Western world, Christianity is on the
wane. In Europe, the Christian faith has given way to a secular faith
and most churches are empty on a Sunday morning. Only in America is
Christianity continuing to grow and this is due to immigration and
faster birthrates than seen in Europe.
The center of the Christian world is presently moving south to Africa
and South America. In Nigeria, there are more practicing Anglicans than
in England and Uganda is catching up as well. The Philippines have more
baptisms per year than France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined. Not
only that, but there could be a theological schism developing between
the new Christians in developing countries and their counterparts in
the West. Another trend rarely noted; Christianity is faring very well
in the competition for the soul of the world's poor against Islam.
In 1900, Africa had only 10 million Christians, who represented about
9% of its population and today, nearly half of all Africans profess
their faith in Jesus Christ. Latin America is practically all Christian
and even in Asia, there are over 300 million practicing Christians. The
growth of the Church in the developing nations is phenomenal and
Professor Phillip Jenkins wrote, "In its variety and vitality, in its
global reach, in its association with the world's fastest-growing
societies . . . it is Christianity that will leave the deepest mark on
the twenty-first century." The largest populations of Christians now
live in Africa and Latin America.
This boom will redefine the regions, politics and Christianity
theology. The more secular West is pushing for greater reform in its
churches whereas Southern Hemisphere Christians are requesting a return
to either a more traditional Catholic Church or are flocking to the
evangelical version of Christianity. While Europe and America control
the leadership of the major denominations today, theologians in the
developing world will soon be challenged for leadership roles. Many
believers in the Southern Hemisphere look to spiritual revelation and
exorcism of demonic forces and are creating a new version of early
Christianity.
As many of these countries move toward democracy, the newfound
Christian faith is going to play a key role in the nature of these
nations. In Africa and Asia, Church leaders stand for the Christian
principles of justice and morality. During the 1980s, it was the
Catholic Church and its leader that kept alive the hope of democracy
under the nose of the Marxist regime in Nicaragua. The church played a
key role in ending apartheid in South Africa. The real problem will be
the direct competition for souls with the growth of Islam. We are
seeing conflicts in Sudan and Nigeria. In Sudan, Christians are
persecuted and occasionally enslaved by the government. It is estimated
that Muslims in the North have killed two million Christians and
animists in an attempt to Islamicize the entire country.
While some predict a split between the Church in the Southern
Hemisphere and in the North, others see a more ominous threat as Islam
and Christianity veer on a collision course for converts and influence
in the developing countries. Crusades and jihads may yet bring ruin to
various developing countries. In Nigeria, this conflict has the
potential of spilling in the street where Christians and Muslims are
almost equal in population and some in the Islamic community pushing
for the imposition of the strict Islamic rules that could preclude the
open practice of Christianity.
For the Christian, all persons stand equal to the eyes of God and such
equality can secure peace, freedom and representative government that
protects the rights of all. As Christian influence grows in the
developing nations, new civilizations may yet grow as these nations go
from developing to being developed.
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