On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:58:47 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <gkej51510ck0se7q7pvpd8sa55pvop92t5@4ax.com>, Liz
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:34:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in news message
<7qCdnc6V5vXk2sTfRVn-gg@megapath.net> wrote:

In our last episode <64fi51hvhs6mork89h3di1oag800o8qh0u@4ax.com>, Les
Hellawell pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:59:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <pan.2005.04.09.22.42.06.415109@coxspambox.net>,
Carson West pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:28:23 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In our last episode <i4adnWEl46e31cXfRVn-ow@centurytel.net>, towelie
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

[Snip]

I think I'll pirate the SAB:EIEIO or whatever your book is called,
and give it away free to anybody who wants it.

In Gastrich's funhouse mirror moral code, as long as you can get
away with it, it's not wrong...

I have it, and the temptation to post it in such a way is strong,
I'll admit, but I won't do it. Jason may feel that it's okay to do a
wrong in answer to an alleged wrong (and a lot of what he's doing is
an answer to alleged wrongs he perceives have been done to him, such
as Durango Bill's "infringement" of his "copyright"), but if we do
the same thing, we're lowering ourselves.

And that's one of the big ironies in this. That we don't retaliate in
kind as Gastrich is so willing to do with his "objective morality."

It always the case that people who have a strong moral sense of
responsibility often are the losers in a largely immoral world but at
least we can hold our heads up high for we have nothing to be ashamed
of here.

I for one am proud to be atheist and here proclaim it to the world.

I sometimes look back on my life and see the number of times I *could
have had considerable sums of money if I would have just chucked my
ethics. Then see the number of people who've grown wealthy and even
politically powerful indulging in the religion business.

Some days, it's necessary for me to see people like Gastrich. To remind
of why I passed up those chances and why it was worth sticking to my
ethics.

Because in the end you must live with yourself.

NOMINATED PART:

The key to living a guilt
free life is not forgiveness. It is not doing anything in the first place
for which you would feel guilty. Understanding this makes a person much
more ethical than one who thinks he has a supernatural ticket to ride.

END NOMINATION.

Seconded.

Jason will make his own life miserable, and I will watch with amusement.



Liz #658 BAAWA

We may have lost our moral compass but we still have our chaste sextant,
our modest flashlight, our ethical pen knife, and our virtuous canteen. --
jwkinraleigh

In our last episode <gkej51510ck0se7q7pvpd8sa55pvop92t5@4ax.com>, Liz
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:34:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in news message
<7qCdnc6V5vXk2sTfRVn-gg@megapath.net> wrote:

In our last episode <64fi51hvhs6mork89h3di1oag800o8qh0u@4ax.com>, Les
Hellawell pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:59:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <pan.2005.04.09.22.42.06.415109@coxspambox.net>,
Carson West pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:28:23 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In our last episode <i4adnWEl46e31cXfRVn-ow@centurytel.net>, towelie
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

[Snip]

I think I'll pirate the SAB:EIEIO or whatever your book is called,
and give it away free to anybody who wants it.

In Gastrich's funhouse mirror moral code, as long as you can get
away with it, it's not wrong...

I have it, and the temptation to post it in such a way is strong,
I'll admit, but I won't do it. Jason may feel that it's okay to do a
wrong in answer to an alleged wrong (and a lot of what he's doing is
an answer to alleged wrongs he perceives have been done to him, such
as Durango Bill's "infringement" of his "copyright"), but if we do
the same thing, we're lowering ourselves.

And that's one of the big ironies in this. That we don't retaliate in
kind as Gastrich is so willing to do with his "objective morality."

It always the case that people who have a strong moral sense of
responsibility often are the losers in a largely immoral world but at
least we can hold our heads up high for we have nothing to be ashamed
of here.

I for one am proud to be atheist and here proclaim it to the world.

I sometimes look back on my life and see the number of times I *could
have had considerable sums of money if I would have just chucked my
ethics. Then see the number of people who've grown wealthy and even
politically powerful indulging in the religion business.

Some days, it's necessary for me to see people like Gastrich. To remind
of why I passed up those chances and why it was worth sticking to my
ethics.

Because in the end you must live with yourself. The key to living a
guilt
free life is not forgiveness. It is not doing anything in the first
place
for which you would free guilty. Understanding this makes a person much
more ethical than one who thinks he has a supernatural ticket to ride.

Jason will make his own life miserable, and I will watch with amusement.

I believe I heard the sound of a nail being hit on the head.

Funny how it comes down to something simple as that old joke of "Doctor,
it hurts when I do this..."

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:34:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <64fi51hvhs6mork89h3di1oag800o8qh0u@4ax.com>, Les
Hellawell pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:59:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <pan.2005.04.09.22.42.06.415109@coxspambox.net>,
Carson West pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:28:23 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In our last episode <i4adnWEl46e31cXfRVn-ow@centurytel.net>, towelie
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

[Snip]

I think I'll pirate the SAB:EIEIO or whatever your book is called,
and give it away free to anybody who wants it.

In Gastrich's funhouse mirror moral code, as long as you can get
away with it, it's not wrong...

I have it, and the temptation to post it in such a way is strong,
I'll admit, but I won't do it. Jason may feel that it's okay to do a
wrong in answer to an alleged wrong (and a lot of what he's doing is
an answer to alleged wrongs he perceives have been done to him, such
as Durango Bill's "infringement" of his "copyright"), but if we do
the same thing, we're lowering ourselves.

And that's one of the big ironies in this. That we don't retaliate in
kind as Gastrich is so willing to do with his "objective morality."

It always the case that people who have a strong moral sense of
responsibility often are the losers in a largely immoral world but at
least we can hold our heads up high for we have nothing to be ashamed
of here.

I for one am proud to be atheist and here proclaim it to the world.

I sometimes look back on my life and see the number of times I *could
have had considerable sums of money if I would have just chucked my
ethics. Then see the number of people who've grown wealthy and even
politically powerful indulging in the religion business.

Do you think they're any happier than you? The guilt and doubt must be
gnawing away at them as they con thousands of idiots into parting with
their cash. Either they believe in god and must know that they'd be damned
for their filthy greed, or they don't believe in god and know that they
are deliberately ripping people off... guilt has a tendency to catch up
with people sooner or later. A rich christian is a hypocrite and a liar.

I don't believe that money brings happiness. The happiest people I know
are the ones who've decided not to play by society's rules, and abandon
the usual tedious and wasteful 9 to 5 existence for something altogether
more fulfilling. They're all skint though :-)

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:34:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <64fi51hvhs6mork89h3di1oag800o8qh0u@4ax.com>, Les
Hellawell pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:59:09 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In our last episode <pan.2005.04.09.22.42.06.415109@coxspambox.net>,
Carson West pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:28:23 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In our last episode <i4adnWEl46e31cXfRVn-ow@centurytel.net>, towelie
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

[Snip]

I think I'll pirate the SAB:EIEIO or whatever your book is called,
and give it away free to anybody who wants it.

In Gastrich's funhouse mirror moral code, as long as you can get away
with it, it's not wrong...

I have it, and the temptation to post it in such a way is strong, I'll
admit, but I won't do it. Jason may feel that it's okay to do a wrong
in answer to an alleged wrong (and a lot of what he's doing is an
answer to alleged wrongs he perceives have been done to him, such as
Durango Bill's "infringement" of his "copyright"), but if we do the
same thing, we're lowering ourselves.

And that's one of the big ironies in this. That we don't retaliate in
kind as Gastrich is so willing to do with his "objective morality."

It always the case that people who have a strong moral sense of
responsibility often are the losers in a largely immoral world but at
least we can hold our heads up high for we have nothing to be ashamed of
here.

I for one am proud to be atheist and here proclaim it to the world.

I sometimes look back on my life and see the number of times I *could have
had considerable sums of money if I would have just chucked my ethics.
Then see the number of people who've grown wealthy and even politically
powerful indulging in the religion business.

Do you think they're any happier than you? The guilt and doubt must be
gnawing away at them as they con thousands of idiots into parting with
their cash. Either they believe in god and must know that they'd be
damned for their filthy greed, or they don't believe in god and know
that they are deliberately ripping people off... guilt has a tendency
to catch up with people sooner or later. A rich christian is a
hypocrite and a liar.

I don't believe that money brings happiness. The happiest people I
know are the ones who've decided not to play by society's rules, and
abandon the usual tedious and wasteful 9 to 5 existence for something
altogether more fulfilling. They're all skint though :-)

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:51:48 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

I for one am proud to be atheist and here proclaim it to the world.

But what is there to be "proud" of ?

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:51:48 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

I for one am proud to be atheist and here proclaim it to the world.

But what is there to be "proud" of ?

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:51:48 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

I for one am proud to be atheist and here proclaim it to the world.

But what is there to be "proud" of ?