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"Jason Gastrich" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:05:08 PM |
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The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It! |
Hey everyone,
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and more people
can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish. Link:
http://jcsm.org/1on1/AltAtheismAtheistAgnosticList.htm
For those that don't know, this is a list of 2100 atheists and agnostics.
Christians regularly pray for them by name. Here is one of the mirrored
sites: http://www.votic.org/jcsm/AltAtheismAtheistAgnosticList.htm
God bless and keep praying!
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
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11 Apr 2005 04:38:42 AM |
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In our last episode <d3c5pf$j1o$0@pita.alt.net>, David pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Bilbo bagginsed:
In our last episode <8cgh51to6u7p4tuljcvj1rrit231r6ivdr@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:28:40 -0700, Carson West
<carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 04:08:22 +0000, Bible Bob wrote:
Or, a Christian that became an atheist.
Let's say a Christian becomes an atheist and dies without repenting.
What happens to him--hypothetically?
He is still saved. Salvation is based on "Seed", incorruptible seed
that
can not be corrupted. That seed is holy spirit which is of God and
therefore can not be corrupted by the flesh. The incorruptible seed
is eternal life, not temporary life, or life that switches on an off
again. In other words, salvation is sonship and sonship can not be
changed no matter how bad the son behaves. Same as in an earthly
family, seed is seed and can not be revoked.
This one is funny to me as I was raised fundamentalist and quite
definitely was "saved." Spent a number of years believing quite
devoutly.
Which according to people who believe in the doctrine you mention (and I
was raised with that one myself), even if you're right about this
religion, I get to go to heaven.
Far as "rewards" go, who cares? If envy is not possible in heaven, then
I'll either not be aware that others have "more" than I do or I'll not
care. Perhaps I'll just be blissfully happy for the people who get
"more."
If you really had your heart in it and weren't doing it just for your
parents, then you are saved, and should start acting like it.
I have no interest in lowering myself to the standards you and Gastrich
display.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It! |
10 Apr 2005 10:00:28 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Far as "rewards" go, who cares? If envy is not possible in heaven, then
I'll either not be aware that others have "more" than I do or I'll not
care. Perhaps I'll just be blissfully happy for the people who get "more."
You Republican, you...
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Apr 2005 10:27:40 AM |
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In our last episode <OoWdnVSY06YEosTfRVnysw@pipex.net>, Kevin Anthoney
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Far as "rewards" go, who cares? If envy is not possible in heaven, then
I'll either not be aware that others have "more" than I do or I'll not
care. Perhaps I'll just be blissfully happy for the people who get
"more."
You Republican, you...
Well! You don't have to get rude!
<sniff>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Carson West" |
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10 Apr 2005 01:27:48 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:54:05 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <8cgh51to6u7p4tuljcvj1rrit231r6ivdr@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
[Snip]
This one is funny to me as I was raised fundamentalist
and quite definitely was "saved." Spent a number of years
believing quite devoutly.
According to both Bob *and* Jason (as much as that would surprise him),
we're both going to Heaven.
It's *party* time. P-A-R-T...why? 'Cause I *gotta*!
[Snip]
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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12 Apr 2005 07:34:20 AM |
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Carson West wrote:
[Snip]
This one is funny to me as I was raised fundamentalist
and quite definitely was "saved." Spent a number of years
believing quite devoutly.
According to both Bob *and* Jason (as much as that would surprise him),
we're both going to Heaven.
It's *party* time. P-A-R-T...why? 'Cause I *gotta*!
[Snip]
Hey fellas, this isn't fair ...... I was raised an atheist, I can never
remember a time I ever believed in God(s)...... does this mean I miss
out ? Can't you sneak me in ? ...... I'll hide in the trunk ;)
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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10 Apr 2005 03:19:22 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:27:48 -0700, Carson West
<carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:54:05 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <8cgh51to6u7p4tuljcvj1rrit231r6ivdr@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
[Snip]
This one is funny to me as I was raised fundamentalist
and quite definitely was "saved." Spent a number of years
believing quite devoutly.
According to both Bob *and* Jason (as much as that would surprise him),
we're both going to Heaven.
It's *party* time. P-A-R-T...why? 'Cause I *gotta*!
[Snip]
I suspect that a lot of atheists were saved earlier in life and are
still saved. Most of us baby boomers were exposed to church
attendance when we were children. Religion can turn people away from
God. I was raised atheist and didn't get saved until I was 29.
I have worked with quite a few young black males who were brought up
as preacher's kids but turned to Farrakan's brand of Islam.
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church. Just
look at all the commotion it has brought to the free.christians
newsgroup. People know hyprocricy when they see it because it is
carnal behavior.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Apr 2005 11:12:49 PM |
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In our last episode <o42j515eimccejkh4k8l4321msgjkbnul2@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church. Just look
at all the commotion it has brought to the free.christians newsgroup.
People know hyprocricy when they see it because it is carnal behavior.
Yet you and Gastrich keep at it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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10 Apr 2005 11:20:40 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:12:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <o42j515eimccejkh4k8l4321msgjkbnul2@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church. Just look
at all the commotion it has brought to the free.christians newsgroup.
People know hyprocricy when they see it because it is carnal behavior.
Yet you and Gastrich keep at it...
Nice try
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Apr 2005 04:41:32 AM |
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In our last episode <enuj519c88l36avh3egecveei3950f1v61@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:12:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <o42j515eimccejkh4k8l4321msgjkbnul2@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church. Just
look at all the commotion it has brought to the free.christians
newsgroup. People know hyprocricy when they see it because it is carnal
behavior.
Yet you and Gastrich keep at it...
Nice try
Actually, I wasn't paying attention. I thought Davey posted that. I
apologize. Near as I can tell, much I may disagree with your religion, you
at least appear to take your beliefs seriously. Unlike a certain other two
inhabitants of the ng.
Sorry for the mistake.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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11 Apr 2005 08:16:52 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:41:32 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <enuj519c88l36avh3egecveei3950f1v61@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:12:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <o42j515eimccejkh4k8l4321msgjkbnul2@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church. Just
look at all the commotion it has brought to the free.christians
newsgroup. People know hyprocricy when they see it because it is carnal
behavior.
Yet you and Gastrich keep at it...
Nice try
Actually, I wasn't paying attention. I thought Davey posted that. I
apologize. Near as I can tell, much I may disagree with your religion, you
at least appear to take your beliefs seriously. Unlike a certain other two
inhabitants of the ng.
Sorry for the mistake.
It's okay. Remembering that I'm the good looking one prevents mixups
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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12 Apr 2005 07:39:06 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:41:32 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <enuj519c88l36avh3egecveei3950f1v61@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:12:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <o42j515eimccejkh4k8l4321msgjkbnul2@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church. Just
look at all the commotion it has brought to the free.christians
newsgroup. People know hyprocricy when they see it because it is carnal
behavior.
Yet you and Gastrich keep at it...
Nice try
Actually, I wasn't paying attention. I thought Davey posted that. I
apologize. Near as I can tell, much I may disagree with your religion, you
at least appear to take your beliefs seriously. Unlike a certain other two
inhabitants of the ng.
Sorry for the mistake.
It's okay. Remembering that I'm the good looking one prevents mixups
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
Oh, I don't know, I see it more like Good Cop/Bad Cop ....... :)
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "David" |
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11 Apr 2005 04:25:45 PM |
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Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:r3uk51tlm4ljk68knio0a701qeq0h8k1k3@4ax.com...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:41:32 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <enuj519c88l36avh3egecveei3950f1v61@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:12:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <o42j515eimccejkh4k8l4321msgjkbnul2@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church. Just
look at all the commotion it has brought to the free.christians
newsgroup. People know hyprocricy when they see it because it is
carnal
behavior.
Yet you and Gastrich keep at it...
Nice try
Actually, I wasn't paying attention. I thought Davey posted that. I
apologize. Near as I can tell, much I may disagree with your religion,
you
at least appear to take your beliefs seriously. Unlike a certain other
two
inhabitants of the ng.
Sorry for the mistake.
It's okay. Remembering that I'm the good looking one prevents mixups
Yeah, yeah.
I never had any complaints, let me tell you.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Apr 2005 05:01:51 PM |
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In our last episode <d3eq4j$o99$0@pita.alt.net>, David pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:r3uk51tlm4ljk68knio0a701qeq0h8k1k3@4ax.com...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 04:41:32 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <enuj519c88l36avh3egecveei3950f1v61@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:12:49 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <o42j515eimccejkh4k8l4321msgjkbnul2@4ax.com>,
Bible Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Hypocricy is one of the most destructive forces in the church.
Just look at all the commotion it has brought to the
free.christians newsgroup. People know hyprocricy when they see it
because it is
carnal
behavior.
Yet you and Gastrich keep at it...
Nice try
Actually, I wasn't paying attention. I thought Davey posted that. I
apologize. Near as I can tell, much I may disagree with your religion,
you
at least appear to take your beliefs seriously. Unlike a certain other
two
inhabitants of the ng.
Sorry for the mistake.
It's okay. Remembering that I'm the good looking one prevents mixups
Yeah, yeah.
I never had any complaints, let me tell you.
That's nice.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Carson West" |
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10 Apr 2005 01:26:07 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:40:36 +0000, Bible Bob wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:28:40 -0700, Carson West
<carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 04:08:22 +0000, Bible Bob wrote:
[Snip]
A Christian can not lose eternal life; but he can lose
rewards if he does not contend legally.
What does that mean, Bob? Does that mean that he goes to
Heaven but gets fewer "rewards" than someone else?
A simple word study on the words "reward" and "crown"
reveals about all there is to know.
Why is it that Mark Bilbo, an atheist, was able to give me a straight
answer and even cite Scripture, and you were not? Bob, put away the
***** shovel and just tell me, "yes" or "now" and we can see if that's
the case. Mark's answer caused me to rethink the position and I'll do
some checking in my references. Your answer just reminded me how evasive
Christians can be.
I may put something together on that topic later on.
Jason has told us that he may put together a "Bible Study" on public
prayer, more or less "later on." How is your response different from his?
[Snip]
An example would be a Pastor who served for many years
and then developed a sexual perversion for little boys
that resulted in molesting chidlren.
Well, as long as we're talking hypothetically here, let's say
he gets AIDS and dies, but before he dies, he sincerely repents
and restores his faith in Christ. What happens to him after
death?
Where's the answer, Bob?
Or, a Christian that became an atheist.
Let's say a Christian becomes an atheist and dies without
repenting. What happens to him--hypothetically?
He is still saved. Salvation is based on "Seed", incorruptible
seed that can not be corrupted.
[Snip]
"He is still saved" is quite adequate, Bob. That's all that I was looking
for. So you also believe in "once saved, always saved." That means
that Mark Bilbo and I are going to Heaven, right?
[Snip TMI for the point.]
Will some get more rewards than others? Some earn rewards
and some don't. Some lose rewards and some don't.
What rewards are earned? Which rewards are "lost?"
Of course the Christian that makes a show has his reward and
gets no rewards for service to the body.
When Jesus says, "go from me, ye who work iniquity," what does
that mean?
[Snip lots to get to what *looks* like a response to the question above:]
Many people go around spouting the name of Jesus. Others
with devil spirits in them can manipulate (or make it appear
that they can) manipulate devil spirits. Others in Jesus
name say they have done many wonderful works, like praying
for atheists, etc.
Bottom line is that there is only one way and that is God's way.
The only way to find out God's way is to know the Word.
So those who claim to do works in the name of Jesus may be devils,
possessed by devils, or simply prideful in their "walk" and not following
the precepts of the Sciptures as we understand them. Their motivations
would be suspect and their actions prideful. These were the people to
whom Jesus referred--correct?
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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10 Apr 2005 03:53:44 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:26:07 -0700, Carson West
<carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:40:36 +0000, Bible Bob wrote:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:28:40 -0700, Carson West
<carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 04:08:22 +0000, Bible Bob wrote:
[Snip]
A Christian can not lose eternal life; but he can lose
rewards if he does not contend legally.
What does that mean, Bob? Does that mean that he goes to
Heaven but gets fewer "rewards" than someone else?
A simple word study on the words "reward" and "crown"
reveals about all there is to know.
Why is it that Mark Bilbo, an atheist, was able to give me a straight
answer and even cite Scripture, and you were not? Bob, put away the
***** shovel and just tell me, "yes" or "now" and we can see if that's
the case. Mark's answer caused me to rethink the position and I'll do
some checking in my references. Your answer just reminded me how evasive
Christians can be.
Carson,
I wasn't trying to be evasive. I gave you your answer. To develop a
word study that your probably wouldn't read would be a waste of my
time. And as you know people do not read long responses unless they
are really interested. To have went further would have been wrong on
my part because I am still trying to understand whether the rewards
(crowns) are horizontal or vertical. There are supposed to be eight
crowns, but I have found only four of them. I do not teach what I do
not know. That would be hypocritical.
I may put something together on that topic later on.
Jason has told us that he may put together a "Bible Study" on public
prayer, more or less "later on." How is your response different from his?
Jason is Jason and I am me. I am in the process of writing a book
called All Dog's Don't Go To Heaven which deals with the returns of
Christ, heaven, hell, etc. I hadn't planned on incorporating anything
about rewards, but maybe I should.
[Snip]
An example would be a Pastor who served for many years
and then developed a sexual perversion for little boys
that resulted in molesting chidlren.
Well, as long as we're talking hypothetically here, let's say
he gets AIDS and dies, but before he dies, he sincerely repents
and restores his faith in Christ. What happens to him after
death?
Where's the answer, Bob?
I gave you your answer? You asked:
What does that mean, Bob? Does that mean that he goes to Heaven but
gets fewer "rewards" than someone else?
I answered your question.
With regard to the AIDs question, I answered that one too. Eternal
life means eternal life.
Any Christian who dies before the return of Christ "for" His church or
who is alive when Christ comes "for" His church is gathered together
to be with the Lord. It has nothing to do with sin. Sin is brokenj
fellowship, not broken sonship.
Or, a Christian that became an atheist.
Let's say a Christian becomes an atheist and dies without
repenting. What happens to him--hypothetically?
He is still saved. Salvation is based on "Seed", incorruptible
seed that can not be corrupted.
[Snip]
"He is still saved" is quite adequate, Bob. That's all that I was looking
for. So you also believe in "once saved, always saved." That means
that Mark Bilbo and I are going to Heaven, right?
If you and Mark Bilbo confessed Jesus as Lord and believed in your
heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, then you are saved but you
are not going to heaven. Not because you are atheists, but because no
one goes to heaven. Heaven is the dwelling place for spirit beings.
The future home is Paradise and that is on the earth; the new future
earth. Once saved always saved? The Bible does not say those words
but it does say eternal life. A line drawn from any point to infinity
would not be eternal if there was a break in it anywhere along the
time line.
[Snip TMI for the point.]
Will some get more rewards than others? Some earn rewards
and some don't. Some lose rewards and some don't.
What rewards are earned? Which rewards are "lost?"
I have not sufficiently studied the subject to make detailed comments.
The following verses answer your question better than I can. Fire
burns, some things, melts others, etc. Rewards are based on service
and false service will not stand the test of fire. Fake prayer, for
example, would perish in the purifying fire. The false petitioner
would be saved but he would earn no reward for his unholy work. All
works have to be built upon Jesus Christ - no other foundation is
acceptable.
1 Corinthians 3:12 KJV
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious
stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13 KJV
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it,
because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every
man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 KJV
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall
receive a reward.
1 Corinthians 3:15 KJV
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he
himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Of course the Christian that makes a show has his reward and
gets no rewards for service to the body.
When Jesus says, "go from me, ye who work iniquity," what does
that mean?
[Snip lots to get to what *looks* like a response to the question above:]
Many people go around spouting the name of Jesus. Others
with devil spirits in them can manipulate (or make it appear
that they can) manipulate devil spirits. Others in Jesus
name say they have done many wonderful works, like praying
for atheists, etc.
Bottom line is that there is only one way and that is God's way.
The only way to find out God's way is to know the Word.
So those who claim to do works in the name of Jesus may be devils,
possessed by devils, or simply prideful in their "walk" and not following
the precepts of the Sciptures as we understand them. Their motivations
would be suspect and their actions prideful. These were the people to
whom Jesus referred--correct?
Exactly. Jesus said you know them by their fruit.
We see them on TV and at crusades and all over the internet. I am not
talking about those that make honest mistakes or those who honestly
teach what they were taught to teach. There is a diference between
teaching what you believe to be true and what you know to be a lie.
A long time ago I heard about a bunch of nuns up in Wisconsin or
Minnesota or someplace who pray day and night to Mary for world peace.
They have dedicated a large portion of their life to prayer to a dead
woman who has no authority to answer prayer. Will their service stand
the test of fire? No. And that has always really bothered me a lot
because I know in my heart that the ladies are sincere in what they
are doing. It's just such a big waste of life. But that is what
happens to people when they follow oral traditions rather than read
and do what the Bible teaches them to do.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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11 Apr 2005 06:14:55 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:53:44 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
I wasn't trying to be evasive. I gave you your answer.
<snip>
I do not teach what I do
not know. That would be hypocritical.
To say that you 'teach' people is also arrogant unless it be in
an obvious teacher-pupil context which this aint.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Jos Flachs no x, please" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:50:42 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:40:36 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
Let's say a Christian becomes an atheist and dies without repenting. What
happens to him--hypothetically?
He is still saved.
Actually, no. He rejected it. Pity you know so little about your own
religion.
Salvation is based on "Seed", incorruptible seed
that can not be corrupted.
Pray, do tell us: where exactly in the bible did you find that gem?
It's perhaps the mustard seed?
That seed is holy spirit which is of God
and therefore can not be corrupted by the flesh.
Ah, perfect. So we don't have to worry about a thing. You just
invalidated your entire religion, lock stock and barrel, Bob.
The incorruptible
seed is eternal life, not temporary life, or life that switches on an
off again.
Again, excellent! No worries about inherit sin and that sort of thing.
Your seed takes care of everything. How much for a package?
In other words, salvation is sonship and sonship can not
be changed no matter how bad the son behaves. Same as in an earthly
family, seed is seed and can not be revoked.
You should start a church of your own. I bet you get more supporters
than dear little Jason.
There are two kinds of repentence. First, there is repentence of lord
from self lord to Jesus as Lord. Then there is repetentence from sin
which is accomplished by cofessing the sin (1 John 1:9) and changing
to the correct form of behavior.
So form is all that matters.
Behavior problems (sin) by the child can not terminate sonship, but
they can terminate fellowship. My son can swear up and down that he
is not my son and I could swear up and down that he is not my son; but
"seed" is not revokable. I can throw my son out of the house if he
doesn't play by my rules and terminate the fellowship beetween us; but
I can not terminate sonship. Same with God and His kids. Confession
of sin brings one back into fellowship with God.
Do you have any idea yourself what you are mumbling here? I don't,
sorry.
If a person dies before he confesses the sin, he is not forgiven; but
still has eternal life.
Kind of mean gangster boss, that god you worship. Seems he really
likes to see his concentration camp loaded. Not that he could
something about it mind you. Of course not. It was inevitable.
Will some get more rewards than others? Some earn rewards and some
don't. Some lose rewards and some don't.
Tell me, what is a reward in heaven? Sing more praise to your gods?
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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09 Apr 2005 10:23:20 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
David wrote:
Kate stamped her little foot and screamed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:25:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115ggpdr02q6o15@news.supernews.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and more
people can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish.
Not satisfied with merely being a hypocrite himself, Gastrich
induces others to join him in hypocrisy...
I think it's time to close down these little thieves. You should
complain to their ISP's and get their domains shut down. It's
illegal to steal google's database, and this is no different.
Oh yes it is, it is reasonable use. If some group of people make a
public list of themselves as atheists, then it's perfectly reasonable
for theists to pray for their conversion.
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become private when
it's in the hands of Christians. It's probably a bit embarrassing to
Michelle Malkin who arbitrarily added people to the list and now they're
getting prayed for. If she ever gets saved, then she'll have some extra
rewards in Heaven.
Reasonable, until you do everything you can, to go around being blocked
from it. Right down to getting an account on an anonymous server, so
you don't get recognized when you steal it.
But then, lying for Christ is a good thing, ain't it jackass?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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10 Apr 2005 11:05:38 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
David wrote:
Kate stamped her little foot and screamed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:25:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115ggpdr02q6o15@news.supernews.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and
more
people can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish.
Not satisfied with merely being a hypocrite himself, Gastrich
induces others to join him in hypocrisy...
I think it's time to close down these little thieves. You should
complain to their ISP's and get their domains shut down. It's
illegal to steal google's database, and this is no different.
Oh yes it is, it is reasonable use. If some group of people make a
public list of themselves as atheists, then it's perfectly
reasonable
for theists to pray for their conversion.
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become private
when
it's in the hands of Christians. It's probably a bit embarrassing to
Michelle Malkin who arbitrarily added people to the list and now
they're
getting prayed for. If she ever gets saved, then she'll have some
extra
rewards in Heaven.
Lying and stealing. I think your little ubergeistvater specifically
mentioned those two things as being bad. I seem to recall them being
in a list somewhere.
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| User: "Carson West" |
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09 Apr 2005 07:33:05 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:24:55 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
[Snip]
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become
private when it's in the hands of Christians.
There's a difference between publicly available and public *property*,
Jason. In fact, wasn't that part of *your* argument when you brought
charges against Durango Bill? And when you demanded that other sites
remove your picture, which was publicly available, wasn't that on the
grounds that you owned the image?
It's interesting that you are choosing to comment this way, from behind
your alleged kill-file. It tells me that you are seeing the comments, but
you need some way to respond to them. Why not be a man and address them
directly to those of us making the charges?
It's probably a bit embarrassing to Michelle Malkin who arbitrarily
added people to the list...
There is no evidence for this, of course. There was one known unknown to
the deal--Matt Silberstein--and even *he* says he's not sure. So how can
*you* be sure?
...and now they're getting prayed for.
And this despite the fact that several whom you won't even acknowledge
have asked to be removed from the copy of the list that you stole. This,
also, despite Jesus's specific direction when it comes to prayers. I
guess the atheists for whom you presume to pray can go to Hell, eh,
Jason, and so can Jesus.
If she ever gets saved, then she'll have some extra rewards in
Heaven.
That might make up for the ones you *won't* get after you hear the words,
"I never knew ye."
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| User: "Kate " |
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09 Apr 2005 09:28:03 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:24:55 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
David wrote:
Kate stamped her little foot and screamed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:25:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115ggpdr02q6o15@news.supernews.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and more
people can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish.
Not satisfied with merely being a hypocrite himself, Gastrich
induces others to join him in hypocrisy...
I think it's time to close down these little thieves. You should
complain to their ISP's and get their domains shut down. It's
illegal to steal google's database, and this is no different.
Oh yes it is, it is reasonable use. If some group of people make a
public list of themselves as atheists, then it's perfectly reasonable
for theists to pray for their conversion.
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become private when
it's in the hands of Christians.
Bull crap Jason and you know it. It's not suddenly become private
anymore than a book suddenly becomes private when someone else steals
the text to publish it his own criminal self.
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime - and a sin.
That you won't admit it and take it down tells everyone you are a
sinner and extremely immoral. Every minute it is up it is an extreme
embarassment to you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
It's probably a bit embarrassing to
Michelle Malkin who arbitrarily added people to the list and now they're
getting prayed for. If she ever gets saved, then she'll have some extra
rewards in Heaven.
You know better Jason - you've been corrected multiple times on that
score - another lie, another sin - another public embarassment for
Jason.
Satan loves you when you do that Jason. You serve him with every
post.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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09 Apr 2005 10:53:41 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:24:55 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
David wrote:
Kate stamped her little foot and screamed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:25:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115ggpdr02q6o15@news.supernews.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and
more people can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish.
Not satisfied with merely being a hypocrite himself, Gastrich
induces others to join him in hypocrisy...
I think it's time to close down these little thieves. You should
complain to their ISP's and get their domains shut down. It's
illegal to steal google's database, and this is no different.
Oh yes it is, it is reasonable use. If some group of people make a
public list of themselves as atheists, then it's perfectly
reasonable for theists to pray for their conversion.
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become private
when it's in the hands of Christians.
Bull crap Jason and you know it. It's not suddenly become private
anymore than a book suddenly becomes private when someone else steals
the text to publish it his own criminal self.
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime - and a sin.
That you won't admit it and take it down tells everyone you are a
sinner and extremely immoral. Every minute it is up it is an extreme
embarassment to you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're barking up
the wrong tree.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Apr 2005 09:11:05 AM |
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In our last episode <115h8ndqgndm5be@news.supernews.com>, Jason Gastrich
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Kate wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:24:55 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
David wrote:
Kate stamped her little foot and screamed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:25:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115ggpdr02q6o15@news.supernews.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and more
people can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish.
Not satisfied with merely being a hypocrite himself, Gastrich
induces others to join him in hypocrisy...
I think it's time to close down these little thieves. You should
complain to their ISP's and get their domains shut down. It's
illegal to steal google's database, and this is no different.
Oh yes it is, it is reasonable use. If some group of people make a
public list of themselves as atheists, then it's perfectly reasonable
for theists to pray for their conversion.
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become private
when it's in the hands of Christians.
Bull crap Jason and you know it. It's not suddenly become private
anymore than a book suddenly becomes private when someone else steals
the text to publish it his own criminal self.
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime - and a sin. That
you won't admit it and take it down tells everyone you are a sinner and
extremely immoral. Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment
to you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're barking
up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would require
lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that it's just a
silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than anything, it wasn't
worth getting into a legal fight over.
I am, however, enjoying the spectacle of you displaying your true moral
code. That you obviously and actually--belying what you *say--believe that
what is *legal according to the laws of human beings is *allowed.
Hence you have no further argument against such things as abortion.
Abortion is legal which, by the code displayed in your own actions, makes
it moral. And such things as gay marriage *become moral as they are
legalized.
Your alleged "objective" and "absolute" moral code reduces, quiet
obviously, to "that which Jason Gastrich can get away with."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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10 Apr 2005 01:07:17 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're
barking up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would
require lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that
it's just a silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than
anything, it wasn't worth getting into a legal fight over.
And I pointed out that such lists are protected. If you buy and use most
mailing lists more than once you will get a bill or letters from attorneys.
(Yes, there is a simple way to know how many times you used it.)
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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11 Apr 2005 10:53:20 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pXd6e.183$J12.50@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're
barking up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would
require lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that
it's just a silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than
anything, it wasn't worth getting into a legal fight over.
And I pointed out that such lists are protected. If you buy and use most
mailing lists more than once you will get a bill or letters from
attorneys.
(Yes, there is a simple way to know how many times you used it.)
The atheist/agnostic list was never meant as a joke and
isn't silly. It started out as a way to disprove comments
by the theist who said that there were only three atheists
in alt.atheism, since that was all the people who wrote
back to him. THAT was the joke, though unintentional
on his part. The list was and is popular enough to stuill
be collecting names seven years later. It serves its stated
purpose of showing that there are many more atheists
than most people suspect and that atheists are all kinds
of people - male, female, young, old and from all countries
of the world. And, many people who are unable to admit
to being an atheist have joined this list as a way to show
that they are atheists. Over the years, several list members
who started out using nicknames decided to add their real
names. That is quite an accomplishment for both these
members and the list (if it had anything to do with their
decision.)
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Apr 2005 05:50:22 AM |
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In our last episode <uZWdnR_K4r-_28bfRVn-rQ@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pXd6e.183$J12.50@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're
barking up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would
require lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that it's
just a silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than anything,
it wasn't worth getting into a legal fight over.
And I pointed out that such lists are protected. If you buy and use most
mailing lists more than once you will get a bill or letters from
attorneys.
(Yes, there is a simple way to know how many times you used it.)
The atheist/agnostic list was never meant as a joke and isn't silly. It
started out as a way to disprove comments by the theist who said that
there were only three atheists in alt.atheism, since that was all the
people who wrote back to him. THAT was the joke, though unintentional on
his part.
If I came across as disparaging the list, I'm sorry. That's not what I was
trying to convey.
In reading the messages that led to the beginning of the list and its
early days, it looked to be like a lot of things that happen in a.a. That
it wasn't meant to be the very deathly serious Official! List! There's a
lot of the usual light hearted banter that's common to the ng group. And
the joke certainly was on Nichols (I mean, really, he even *named three
people as the only atheists around).
I meant more to say that in terms of launching a resource consuming legal
fight, I can't help but ask if the list is important enough for people to
divert resources that could be used for things like taking care of the
kids or paying the light bill or other such things. While Gastrich's abuse
of the list is rude, inappropriate, and dishonest, his actions are
unlikely to cause serious *harm to anyone on the list (if nothing else,
he's just not *that important nor that well known to cause anybody
anything at all).
The list was and is popular enough to stuill be collecting names
seven years later. It serves its stated purpose of showing that there are
many more atheists than most people suspect and that atheists are all
kinds of people - male, female, young, old and from all countries of the
world. And, many people who are unable to admit to being an atheist have
joined this list as a way to show that they are atheists. Over the years,
several list members who started out using nicknames decided to add their
real names. That is quite an accomplishment for both these members and the
list (if it had anything to do with their decision.)
And it is funny that Gastrich seems to be accomplishing the exact reverse
of what he meant in that his actions are encouraging more people to sign
up...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It!) |
12 Apr 2005 11:30:30 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:wtSdndsQ3vpzOsbfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <uZWdnR_K4r-_28bfRVn-rQ@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pXd6e.183$J12.50@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that
nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're
barking up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of
existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would
require lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that
it's
just a silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than
anything,
it wasn't worth getting into a legal fight over.
And I pointed out that such lists are protected. If you buy and use
most
mailing lists more than once you will get a bill or letters from
attorneys.
(Yes, there is a simple way to know how many times you used it.)
The atheist/agnostic list was never meant as a joke and isn't silly. It
started out as a way to disprove comments by the theist who said that
there were only three atheists in alt.atheism, since that was all the
people who wrote back to him. THAT was the joke, though unintentional
on
his part.
If I came across as disparaging the list, I'm sorry. That's not what I was
trying to convey.
In reading the messages that led to the beginning of the list and its
early days, it looked to be like a lot of things that happen in a.a. That
it wasn't meant to be the very deathly serious Official! List! There's a
lot of the usual light hearted banter that's common to the ng group. And
the joke certainly was on Nichols (I mean, really, he even *named three
people as the only atheists around).
Not THAT serious. Some people consider it to be fun, too.
They like the way it bugs people like Jason. Some fundies
go bananas when they see the numbers after peoples' names.
The idea of atheists having the slightest bit oforganization
scares the excrement out of them.
Did you know that the full name of the list is the Jim Nichols
Memorial Alt.Atheism Atheist/Agnostic List? This is to honor
the person (still living) who is responsible for its creation. :-)
And, the last time Nichols buzzed through alt.atheism for a few
days, I made certain that he was aware of this.
I meant more to say that in terms of launching a resource consuming legal
fight, I can't help but ask if the list is important enough for people to
divert resources that could be used for things like taking care of the
kids or paying the light bill or other such things. While Gastrich's abuse
of the list is rude, inappropriate, and dishonest, his actions are
unlikely to cause serious *harm to anyone on the list (if nothing else,
he's just not *that important nor that well known to cause anybody
anything at all).
I agree. Jason is a very little man. But the legal threat is a
good one to hang over his head (sort of a sword of
Damocles) as a future possibility. If he does eventually
do something totally illegal with the list - like selling it -
we could get him where it would really hurt - his
pocketbook. He has to know that we are watching
him, and he'd better be very, very careful.
The list was and is popular enough to still be collecting
names seven years later. It serves its stated purpose of
showing that there are many more atheists than most
people suspect and that atheists are all kinds of people
- male, female, young, old and from all countries of the
world. And, many people who are unable to admit to
being an atheist have joined this list as a way to show
that they are atheists. Over the years, several list
members who started out using nicknames decided to
add their real names. That is quite an accomplishment
for both these members and the list (if it had anything
to do with their decision.)
And it is funny that Gastrich seems to be accomplishing the exact reverse
of what he meant in that his actions are encouraging more people to sign
up...
I mentioned this in another message. You'd think he
was an atheist troll...
--
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
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--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It!) |
15 Apr 2005 08:54:51 AM |
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In our last episode <Hv-dndFWr8UKasbfRVn-3A@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:wtSdndsQ3vpzOsbfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <uZWdnR_K4r-_28bfRVn-rQ@comcast.com>, Michelle
Malkin pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pXd6e.183$J12.50@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone else
that
nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're
barking up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of
existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would
require lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that
it's
just a silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than
anything,
it wasn't worth getting into a legal fight over.
And I pointed out that such lists are protected. If you buy and use
most
mailing lists more than once you will get a bill or letters from
attorneys.
(Yes, there is a simple way to know how many times you used it.)
The atheist/agnostic list was never meant as a joke and isn't silly.
It started out as a way to disprove comments by the theist who said
that there were only three atheists in alt.atheism, since that was all
the people who wrote back to him. THAT was the joke, though
unintentional
on
his part.
If I came across as disparaging the list, I'm sorry. That's not what I
was trying to convey.
In reading the messages that led to the beginning of the list and its
early days, it looked to be like a lot of things that happen in a.a.
That it wasn't meant to be the very deathly serious Official! List!
There's a lot of the usual light hearted banter that's common to the ng
group. And the joke certainly was on Nichols (I mean, really, he even
*named three people as the only atheists around).
Not THAT serious. Some people consider it to be fun, too. They like the
way it bugs people like Jason. Some fundies go bananas when they see the
numbers after peoples' names. The idea of atheists having the slightest
bit oforganization scares the excrement out of them.
That's all I meant. The list has its serious aspects, yes. But this is
Usenet and there's a limit to how earth shatteringly significant Usenet
is. <g>
A large part of what was motivating my comment was the Deathly Serious way
Gasbag is treating the list. If he finds so much as a typo, he runs around
the ng, yapping like a psychotic chihuahua. Which is really absurd.
While the list has its serious aspects, you'd think he believes if so much
as somebody's name is misspelled, they'll show up in church tomorrow.
He seems to think the list has some kind of power. As if people being on
or off the list governs their identity. It's the other way around. People
join(ed) the list to declare something about themselves. And being on or
off the list doesn't--and cannot--change that. In the larger scheme of
things, even if the list vanished tomorrow, we'd still be atheists.
Did you know that the full name of the list is the Jim Nichols Memorial
Alt.Atheism Atheist/Agnostic List? This is to honor the person (still
living) who is responsible for its creation. :-) And, the last time
Nichols buzzed through alt.atheism for a few days, I made certain that he
was aware of this.
I did not know it was named. I did see the beginning of the list and wish
I'd been around for that. Nichols' "three" comment was just too zany. <g>
I meant more to say that in terms of launching a resource consuming
legal fight, I can't help but ask if the list is important enough for
people to divert resources that could be used for things like taking
care of the kids or paying the light bill or other such things. While
Gastrich's abuse of the list is rude, inappropriate, and dishonest, his
actions are unlikely to cause serious *harm to anyone on the list (if
nothing else, he's just not *that important nor that well known to cause
anybody anything at all).
I agree. Jason is a very little man. But the legal threat is a good one to
hang over his head (sort of a sword of Damocles) as a future possibility.
If he does eventually do something totally illegal with the list - like
selling it - we could get him where it would really hurt - his pocketbook.
He has to know that we are watching him, and he'd better be very, very
careful.
He is in a very iffy gray area. But his ego is so big, it's blocking his
ability to see that. Which could lead to a serious blunder on his part.
Seeing him appealing to what he *thinks I said on the matter is really
absurd. It's *not my list. It's *not my decision. I am *not a lawyer. I am
*not a court of law. I merely expressed what I believe to be a reasonably
informed opinion that what he's done--to this point--is in a "gray area"
that could cost a lot of cash to bring in lawyers and courts and get
sorted out.
If he gets cocky because of something he *thinks I wrote, he's a fool.
The list was and is popular enough to still be collecting names seven
years later. It serves its stated purpose of showing that there are
many more atheists than most people suspect and that atheists are all
kinds of people - male, female, young, old and from all countries of
the world. And, many people who are unable to admit to being an
atheist have joined this list as a way to show that they are
atheists. Over the years, several list members who started out using
nicknames decided to add their real names. That is quite an
accomplishment for both these members and the list (if it had anything
to do with their decision.)
And it is funny that Gastrich seems to be accomplishing the exact
reverse of what he meant in that his actions are encouraging more people
to sign up...
I mentioned this in another message. You'd think he was an atheist
troll...
Except I don't think he's that bright...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It!) |
15 Apr 2005 11:08:50 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:VfWdnQUwB9o2WsLfRVn-qQ@megapath.net...
In our last episode <Hv-dndFWr8UKasbfRVn-3A@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:wtSdndsQ3vpzOsbfRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <uZWdnR_K4r-_28bfRVn-rQ@comcast.com>, Michelle
Malkin pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:pXd6e.183$J12.50@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone else
that
nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're
barking up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of
existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would
require lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that
it's
just a silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than
anything,
it wasn't worth getting into a legal fight over.
And I pointed out that such lists are protected. If you buy and use
most
mailing lists more than once you will get a bill or letters from
attorneys.
(Yes, there is a simple way to know how many times you used it.)
The atheist/agnostic list was never meant as a joke and isn't silly.
It started out as a way to disprove comments by the theist who said
that there were only three atheists in alt.atheism, since that was
all
the people who wrote back to him. THAT was the joke, though
unintentional on his part.
If I came across as disparaging the list, I'm sorry. That's not what I
was trying to convey.
In reading the messages that led to the beginning of the list and its
early days, it looked to be like a lot of things that happen in a.a.
That it wasn't meant to be the very deathly serious Official! List!
There's a lot of the usual light hearted banter that's common to the ng
group. And the joke certainly was on Nichols (I mean, really, he even
*named three people as the only atheists around).
Not THAT serious. Some people consider it to be fun, too. They like the
way it bugs people like Jason. Some fundies go bananas when they see the
numbers after peoples' names. The idea of atheists having the slightest
bit oforganization scares the excrement out of them.
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