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Religions > Atheism |
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"Jason Gastrich" |
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09 Apr 2005 04:05:08 PM |
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The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It! |
Hey everyone,
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and more people
can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish. Link:
http://jcsm.org/1on1/AltAtheismAtheistAgnosticList.htm
For those that don't know, this is a list of 2100 atheists and agnostics.
Christians regularly pray for them by name. Here is one of the mirrored
sites: http://www.votic.org/jcsm/AltAtheismAtheistAgnosticList.htm
God bless and keep praying!
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
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http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free
indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ
has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: AQOTM Nomination |
17 Apr 2005 09:32:34 AM |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:39:31 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror
It!)
Newsgroup line deliberately left intact.
In our last episode <-aqdnTaWetpWEv3fRVn-gw@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:VfWdnQUwB9o2WsLfRVn-qQ@megapath.net...
[]
He is in a very iffy gray area. But his ego is so big, it's blocking his
ability to see that. Which could lead to a serious blunder on his part.
His theft of the list has already made him look very bad to people whose
opinion and regard he values - other Christians. If he says that isn't
true, he's a liar - again.
And I think, seriously, he cannot see the connection between actions and
consequences. The man has issues.
[]
Another theist jumped on the idea that Jason was an atheist troll. She
didn't realize that I was joking. And, yet another theist accused me of
pretty much losing my cool when I said that I certainly hoped that wasn't
the case, since we atheists had enough bad PR without having Jason as one
of us. I didn't even respond to that troll's attempt to magnify things out
of all proportion. What he was obviously after was to get me upset enough
to react in the way he had already accused me of acting. Some trolls are
too obvious for their own bad.
/begin
Well, remember, since we're such awful, terrible, horrible, vicious
people, if we fail to "attack" they have to keep kicking and punching
until we do...
/end
Seconds?
Christians, I suggest you study what's being nominated very very
carefully as it is 'dead on' accurate.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "George Ricker" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM Nomination |
17 Apr 2005 10:55:08 AM |
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In article <3ms4619kspca2oeri8a9bjqhqfdt6v8utm@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:39:31 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror
It!)
Newsgroup line deliberately left intact.
In our last episode <-aqdnTaWetpWEv3fRVn-gw@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:VfWdnQUwB9o2WsLfRVn-qQ@megapath.net...
[]
He is in a very iffy gray area. But his ego is so big, it's blocking his
ability to see that. Which could lead to a serious blunder on his part.
His theft of the list has already made him look very bad to people whose
opinion and regard he values - other Christians. If he says that isn't
true, he's a liar - again.
And I think, seriously, he cannot see the connection between actions and
consequences. The man has issues.
[]
Another theist jumped on the idea that Jason was an atheist troll. She
didn't realize that I was joking. And, yet another theist accused me of
pretty much losing my cool when I said that I certainly hoped that wasn't
the case, since we atheists had enough bad PR without having Jason as one
of us. I didn't even respond to that troll's attempt to magnify things out
of all proportion. What he was obviously after was to get me upset enough
to react in the way he had already accused me of acting. Some trolls are
too obvious for their own bad.
/begin
Well, remember, since we're such awful, terrible, horrible, vicious
people, if we fail to "attack" they have to keep kicking and punching
until we do...
/end
Seconds?
Christians, I suggest you study what's being nominated very very
carefully as it is 'dead on' accurate.
Seconded!
--
George Ricker
"'God' is a penny in the
fuse box of reality."
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM Nomination |
20 Apr 2005 04:14:12 AM |
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In article
<gSPAMFREEricker-73DEED.11551117042005@news-server1.tampabay.rr.com>,
George Ricker <gSPAMFREEricker@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
In article <3ms4619kspca2oeri8a9bjqhqfdt6v8utm@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:39:31 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror
It!)
Newsgroup line deliberately left intact.
In our last episode <-aqdnTaWetpWEv3fRVn-gw@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:VfWdnQUwB9o2WsLfRVn-qQ@megapath.net...
[]
He is in a very iffy gray area. But his ego is so big, it's blocking
his
ability to see that. Which could lead to a serious blunder on his part.
His theft of the list has already made him look very bad to people whose
opinion and regard he values - other Christians. If he says that isn't
true, he's a liar - again.
And I think, seriously, he cannot see the connection between actions and
consequences. The man has issues.
[]
Another theist jumped on the idea that Jason was an atheist troll. She
didn't realize that I was joking. And, yet another theist accused me of
pretty much losing my cool when I said that I certainly hoped that
wasn't
the case, since we atheists had enough bad PR without having Jason as
one
of us. I didn't even respond to that troll's attempt to magnify things
out
of all proportion. What he was obviously after was to get me upset
enough
to react in the way he had already accused me of acting. Some trolls are
too obvious for their own bad.
/begin
Well, remember, since we're such awful, terrible, horrible, vicious
people, if we fail to "attack" they have to keep kicking and punching
until we do...
/end
Seconds?
Christians, I suggest you study what's being nominated very very
carefully as it is 'dead on' accurate.
Seconded!
Recorded. Extra groups removed.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM Nomination |
17 Apr 2005 01:14:26 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:32:34 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:39:31 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror
It!)
Newsgroup line deliberately left intact.
In our last episode <-aqdnTaWetpWEv3fRVn-gw@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:VfWdnQUwB9o2WsLfRVn-qQ@megapath.net...
[]
He is in a very iffy gray area. But his ego is so big, it's blocking his
ability to see that. Which could lead to a serious blunder on his part.
His theft of the list has already made him look very bad to people whose
opinion and regard he values - other Christians. If he says that isn't
true, he's a liar - again.
And I think, seriously, he cannot see the connection between actions and
consequences. The man has issues.
[]
Another theist jumped on the idea that Jason was an atheist troll. She
didn't realize that I was joking. And, yet another theist accused me of
pretty much losing my cool when I said that I certainly hoped that wasn't
the case, since we atheists had enough bad PR without having Jason as one
of us. I didn't even respond to that troll's attempt to magnify things out
of all proportion. What he was obviously after was to get me upset enough
to react in the way he had already accused me of acting. Some trolls are
too obvious for their own bad.
/begin
Well, remember, since we're such awful, terrible, horrible, vicious
people, if we fail to "attack" they have to keep kicking and punching
until we do...
/end
Seconds?
Christians, I suggest you study what's being nominated very very
carefully as it is 'dead on' accurate.
Mark,
Are you talking about the words between /begin and /end? I do not
know how these nomination things work. Actually, I thought the
nomination for you was more impressive. But I have seen some
interesting comments made in response to my question that I think are
worth consideration, too.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM Nomination |
17 Apr 2005 01:22:38 PM |
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Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote in
news:jj9561pjaqui5tasehq69d10n5b3noek5m@4ax.com:
Mark,
I do not know how these nomination things work.
You must be an atheist to nominate or vote.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The pioneers and missionaries of religion have been the real cause of more
trouble and war than all other classes of mankind.
-- Edgar Allan Poe
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM Nomination |
17 Apr 2005 02:28:41 PM |
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In our last episode <jj9561pjaqui5tasehq69d10n5b3noek5m@4ax.com>, Bible
Bob pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:32:34 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:39:31 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror
It!)
Newsgroup line deliberately left intact.
In our last episode <-aqdnTaWetpWEv3fRVn-gw@comcast.com>, Michelle
Malkin pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:VfWdnQUwB9o2WsLfRVn-qQ@megapath.net...
[]
He is in a very iffy gray area. But his ego is so big, it's blocking
his ability to see that. Which could lead to a serious blunder on his
part.
His theft of the list has already made him look very bad to people
whose opinion and regard he values - other Christians. If he says that
isn't true, he's a liar - again.
And I think, seriously, he cannot see the connection between actions and
consequences. The man has issues.
[]
Another theist jumped on the idea that Jason was an atheist troll. She
didn't realize that I was joking. And, yet another theist accused me
of pretty much losing my cool when I said that I certainly hoped that
wasn't the case, since we atheists had enough bad PR without having
Jason as one of us. I didn't even respond to that troll's attempt to
magnify things out of all proportion. What he was obviously after was
to get me upset enough to react in the way he had already accused me
of acting. Some trolls are too obvious for their own bad.
/begin
Well, remember, since we're such awful, terrible, horrible, vicious
people, if we fail to "attack" they have to keep kicking and punching
until we do...
/end
Seconds?
Christians, I suggest you study what's being nominated very very
carefully as it is 'dead on' accurate.
Mark,
Are you talking about the words between /begin and /end? I do not know
how these nomination things work. Actually, I thought the nomination for
you was more impressive. But I have seen some interesting comments made
in response to my question that I think are worth consideration, too.
Stoney was making the nomination, not me. I admit to an ego but not
*enough of one to try to nominate my own words. <g>
Anyway, the rules for the contest are over here:
http://alt-atheism.org/library/quotes/qotm_rules.php
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: aa Proposal: a new award category |
15 Apr 2005 09:51:43 AM |
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Gastrich simile of the month (JGSOTM ).
Here's my nomination:
K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
yapping like a psychotic chihuahua.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: aa Proposal: a Christian nastiness competion |
15 Apr 2005 12:32:35 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:51:43 +0100, Secular Fundamentalist
<White.Rabbit@answersinAlicethroughthelookingglass.org> wrote:
Gastrich simile of the month (JGSOTM ).
Here's my nomination:
K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
yapping like a psychotic chihuahua.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
How about a Christian nastiness category?
We could gather them together into a catalogue of Christian nastiness
quotes and post it on a web site along with the names and ask people
to forgive them. Jason and other Christians will be invited to copy
the list to his web site so he can ask for prayers for them.
I don't have the exact quote but it was by somebody with a name
like 'barmy'. He wrote (again not exact) that atheist are 'fat demon
infested pigs'
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: aa Proposal: a Christian nastiness competion |
15 Apr 2005 02:53:44 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:32:35 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:51:43 +0100, Secular Fundamentalist
<White.Rabbit@answersinAlicethroughthelookingglass.org> wrote:
Gastrich simile of the month (JGSOTM ).
Here's my nomination:
K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote
yapping like a psychotic chihuahua.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
How about a Christian nastiness category?
One question. Are the hit-and-run trolls who only post occasionally
eligible, or do the contestants have to be at least semi-regulars?
But anyway, I'd like to nominate for the first round of competition:
Raymond Michael "Raytard" Ambrosini (Skywise, Church of the Painful
Truth, Simply I, Soren Kierkegard, and many others)
Earl Weber (Duke)
"Pastor" Frank
Chris Devol
Not-Easily-Duped (Voice of Truth and perhaps others)
Antonio Santana (Jabriol)
John Weatherly
J___ Mc___ (Nameless, McDumbass, McIdiot, etc.)
"Pastor" Dave Raymond
And an honorary nomination for Ken Pangborn, not for anything
specific, but simply because he's nasty and he's a Christian. <G>
We could gather them together into a catalogue of Christian nastiness
quotes and post it on a web site along with the names and ask people
to forgive them. Jason and other Christians will be invited to copy
the list to his web site so he can ask for prayers for them.
I don't have the exact quote but it was by somebody with a name
like 'barmy'. He wrote (again not exact) that atheist are 'fat demon
infested pigs'
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It!) |
12 Apr 2005 06:17:44 AM |
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The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood "Mark
K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>,who intoned thus:
....
And it is funny that Gastrich seems to be accomplishing the exact reverse
of what he meant in that his actions are encouraging more people to sign
up...
Which is the real significance of what is going on. The list is being
advertised far and wide, debate is being raised over it, and Jason is
hanging himself with his own rope.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It!) |
13 Apr 2005 04:18:58 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:17:44 +0100, Secular Fundamentalist
<White.Rabbit@answersinAlicethroughthelookingglass.org> wrote:
The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood "Mark
K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>,who intoned thus:
...
And it is funny that Gastrich seems to be accomplishing the exact reverse
of what he meant in that his actions are encouraging more people to sign
up...
Which is the real significance of what is going on. The list is being
advertised far and wide, debate is being raised over it, and Jason is
hanging himself with his own rope.
Far and wide with much debate? Interesting. Sometimes it's something
very small which has great impact.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "sdq" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code |
12 Apr 2005 01:38:40 PM |
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Secular Fundamentalist wrote:
Which is the real significance of what is going on. The list is being
advertised far and wide, debate is being raised over it, and Jason is
hanging himself with his own rope.
But that's no rope. It's his lower intestine.
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It!) |
10 Apr 2005 09:22:06 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:11:05 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115h8ndqgndm5be@news.supernews.com>, Jason Gastrich
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Kate wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:24:55 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
David wrote:
Kate stamped her little foot and screamed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:25:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115ggpdr02q6o15@news.supernews.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and more
people can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish.
Not satisfied with merely being a hypocrite himself, Gastrich
induces others to join him in hypocrisy...
I think it's time to close down these little thieves. You should
complain to their ISP's and get their domains shut down. It's
illegal to steal google's database, and this is no different.
Oh yes it is, it is reasonable use. If some group of people make a
public list of themselves as atheists, then it's perfectly reasonable
for theists to pray for their conversion.
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become private
when it's in the hands of Christians.
Bull crap Jason and you know it. It's not suddenly become private
anymore than a book suddenly becomes private when someone else steals
the text to publish it his own criminal self.
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime - and a sin. That
you won't admit it and take it down tells everyone you are a sinner and
extremely immoral. Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment
to you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're barking
up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would require
lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that it's just a
silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than anything, it wasn't
worth getting into a legal fight over.
I am, however, enjoying the spectacle of you displaying your true moral
code. That you obviously and actually--belying what you *say--believe that
what is *legal according to the laws of human beings is *allowed.
Hence you have no further argument against such things as abortion.
Abortion is legal which, by the code displayed in your own actions, makes
it moral. And such things as gay marriage *become moral as they are
legalized.
Your alleged "objective" and "absolute" moral code reduces, quiet
obviously, to "that which Jason Gastrich can get away with."
Satan loves him and makes him post bad things that embarass him.
Poor Jason - Satan's love puppet.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's TRUE moral code (was: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It!) |
10 Apr 2005 10:34:53 AM |
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In our last episode <42a23616.1099851125@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:11:05 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115h8ndqgndm5be@news.supernews.com>, Jason Gastrich
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Kate wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:24:55 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
David wrote:
Kate stamped her little foot and screamed:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:25:44 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <115ggpdr02q6o15@news.supernews.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
In order to have this list all over the internet, so more and
more people can pray for atheists, you may mirror it if you wish.
Not satisfied with merely being a hypocrite himself, Gastrich
induces others to join him in hypocrisy...
I think it's time to close down these little thieves. You should
complain to their ISP's and get their domains shut down. It's
illegal to steal google's database, and this is no different.
Oh yes it is, it is reasonable use. If some group of people make a
public list of themselves as atheists, then it's perfectly
reasonable for theists to pray for their conversion.
Amen. It's peculiar how the public list has suddenly become private
when it's in the hands of Christians.
Bull crap Jason and you know it. It's not suddenly become private
anymore than a book suddenly becomes private when someone else steals
the text to publish it his own criminal self.
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime - and a sin. That
you won't admit it and take it down tells everyone you are a sinner
and extremely immoral. Every minute it is up it is an extreme
embarassment to you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're barking
up the wrong tree.
I said no such thing.
I said the case law I'd seen *suggested that ordered lists of existing
information may not be protected by copyright but that it would require
lawyers to sort out as I'm not one myself. And given that it's just a
silly list that was meant more "tongue in cheek" than anything, it wasn't
worth getting into a legal fight over.
I am, however, enjoying the spectacle of you displaying your true moral
code. That you obviously and actually--belying what you *say--believe
that what is *legal according to the laws of human beings is *allowed.
Hence you have no further argument against such things as abortion.
Abortion is legal which, by the code displayed in your own actions, makes
it moral. And such things as gay marriage *become moral as they are
legalized.
Your alleged "objective" and "absolute" moral code reduces, quiet
obviously, to "that which Jason Gastrich can get away with."
Satan loves him and makes him post bad things that embarass him.
Poor Jason - Satan's love puppet.
<snork>
Saddam is gonna be jealous!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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| Title: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It! |
10 Apr 2005 11:28:10 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that nothing
illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening. You're
barking up
the wrong tree.
No, he said there was probably nothing that could be done to stop you.
He didn't say nothing illegal is happening. Not that someone as
christian as you would see the difference.
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| User: "Carson West" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:17:19 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:28:10 -0700, JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening. You're barking up the wrong tree.
No, he said there was probably nothing that could be done
to stop you.
Jason is quick to play fast and loose with the truth, or he has trouble
with reading comprehension.
He didn't say nothing illegal is happening. Not that someone
as christian as you would see the difference.
Jason does seem to have problems understanding these things. For
example, When David confronted him with his frequent creation of new Yahoo
names to post single messages and declared it an abuse of the service,
Jason complained that it wasn't against the rules stated by Yahoo.
Apparently, there are times when Jason expects things to be spelled out
for him and these times are usually a matter of convenience. Still, David
did respond and show why Jason's behavior was wrong and Jason, as usual,
had nothing else to say and disappeared from the discussion.
It's interesting in its own way, to me, because I do a lot with networks,
operating systems, and the web, too. I hear that Jason thinks himself a
talented and skilled web master and designer, and he owns a domain that
offers free email. Depending on how that's set up--assuming it isn't a
resale of services, so to speak--all he has to do is set up an email
address under his own domain and set the server to send responses to
/dev/null, so there's no need to abuse the services of free providers.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:26:05 PM |
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Carson West <carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote in
news:pan.2005.04.10.17.17.18.234885@coxspambox.net:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:28:10 -0700, JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening. You're barking up the wrong tree.
No, he said there was probably nothing that could be done
to stop you.
Jason is quick to play fast and loose with the truth, or he has
trouble with reading comprehension.
He didn't say nothing illegal is happening. Not that someone
as christian as you would see the difference.
Jason does seem to have problems understanding these things. For
example, When David confronted him with his frequent creation of new
Yahoo names to post single messages and declared it an abuse of the
service, Jason complained that it wasn't against the rules stated by
Yahoo. Apparently, there are times when Jason expects things to be
spelled out for him and these times are usually a matter of
convenience. Still, David did respond and show why Jason's behavior
was wrong and Jason, as usual, had nothing else to say and disappeared
from the discussion.
It's interesting in its own way, to me, because I do a lot with
networks, operating systems, and the web, too. I hear that Jason
thinks himself a talented and skilled web master and designer, and he
owns a domain that offers free email. Depending on how that's set
up--assuming it isn't a resale of services, so to speak--all he has to
do is set up an email address under his own domain and set the server
to send responses to /dev/null, so there's no need to abuse the
services of free providers.
Did you really have to explain that to him?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else -- and it hasn't -- it's
that girls should stick to girl's sports, such as hot oil wrestling and
foxy boxing and such and such.
-- Homer Simpson
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| User: "Carson West" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:34:31 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:26:05 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
Carson West <carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote in
news:pan.2005.04.10.17.17.18.234885@coxspambox.net:
[Snip]
It's interesting in its own way, to me, because I do
a lot with networks, operating systems, and the web, too.
I hear that Jason thinks himself a talented and skilled
web master and designer, and he owns a domain that offers
free email. Depending on how that's set up--assuming
it isn't a resale of services, so to speak--all he has
to do is set up an email address under his own domain
and set the server to send responses to /dev/null, so
there's no need to abuse the services of free providers.
Did you really have to explain that to him?
Well, it's not like I actually told him *how* to do it, simply that it
could be done and it would be better than abusing a free service. Jason
probably doesn't understand that abusing free services takes away from
those who don't, and eventually, the free services stop being free, in
large part, for that reason. Then again, he probably *does* understand
it--he just doesn't *care*.
Having said that, I'm not really sure that Jason runs the server himself.
I'm just speculating--I haven't checked it out--but it could be that it's
a resale of services or he's signed on to a larger web hosting company and
so he has a limited amount of email addresses, and that's why his "free"
addresses can be revoked so quickly and with so little reason.
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| User: "Carson West" |
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09 Apr 2005 11:07:19 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened. Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
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| User: "David" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:50:59 AM |
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Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened. Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't you?
What's up? No telephone?
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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10 Apr 2005 11:42:52 AM |
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David wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the
question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not
worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you
taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened.
Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of
property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was
publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to
you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain
what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't
you?
What's up? No telephone?
Ooo, feel the christian love.
So your position is, if someone doesn't take legal action against
theft, that makes theft legal?
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| User: "David" |
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10 Apr 2005 05:02:35 PM |
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Jess spoke:
news:1113151372.316995.270770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
David wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the
question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not
worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you
taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened.
Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of
property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was
publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to
you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain
what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't
you?
What's up? No telephone?
Ooo, feel the christian love.
So your position is, if someone doesn't take legal action against
theft, that makes theft legal?
My position is, a judge decides if someone is a criminal, and not you.
I think you'll find that's not just my position, but reality, more like.
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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11 Apr 2005 10:02:50 AM |
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David wrote:
Jess spoke:
news:1113151372.316995.270770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
David wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't
you?
What's up? No telephone?
Ooo, feel the christian love.
So your position is, if someone doesn't take legal action against
theft, that makes theft legal?
My position is, a judge decides if someone is a criminal, and not
you.
Does a judge also decide if something is stolen or not? Because, see,
that's the current issue; if something denied to someone is then taken
by that person without permission and against the specific wishes of
the owner or caretaker, is it stolen? Or do we have to wait for a
judge to decide?
I think you'll find that's not just my position, but reality, more
like.
Actually, I think you're wrong. I think what a judge decides is if the
criminal should be punished; a criminal is someone who has commited a
crime, regardless whether they're caught or punished. Ever heard the
phrase "get away with murder"?
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| User: "Kate " |
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10 Apr 2005 09:17:09 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:50:59 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened. Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't you?
What's up? No telephone?
Your God doesn't put people in hell if the fuzz don't get you first?
Satan loves you.
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| User: "David" |
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10 Apr 2005 03:48:37 PM |
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Kate whinged:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:50:59 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the
question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not
worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened. Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of
property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to
you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't you?
What's up? No telephone?
Your God doesn't put people in hell if the fuzz don't get you first?
I am told to obey the powers that be. If the file is stolen property, then
that's a fuzz matter.
He's not using ethics words, he's accusing Jason of a felony, which is
actionable.
Satan loves you.
That's your experience, is it?
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| User: "Ultra Maroon" |
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11 Apr 2005 04:56:15 AM |
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David wrote:
Kate whinged:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:50:59 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the
question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's
not
worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you
taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened.
Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of
property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was
publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not
public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied
to
you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to
obtain what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't
you?
What's up? No telephone?
Your God doesn't put people in hell if the fuzz don't get you
first?
I am told to obey the powers that be. If the file is stolen property,
then
that's a fuzz matter.
He's not using ethics words, he's accusing Jason of a felony, which
is
actionable.
Oh, boo, hoo, Dorky. By the by, there's felony theft and misdemeanor
theft, but as you have been whining, if it's actionable, get Gasbag to
sue. C'mon, we all know he knows-sorta-how to do *that*.
Da man makes a good case for "theft," in the sense that something that
belonged to someone else was taken not only without their permission,
but in defiance of them. Go ahead, Dorky, tell us how that wasn't
theft! Let's hear it.
Satan loves you.
That's your experience, is it?
Oooooo, Dorky! Good one!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Apr 2005 05:40:13 AM |
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In our last episode <d3c3j0$e4o$0@pita.alt.net>, David pirouetted
gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Kate whinged:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:50:59 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime - and a sin.
That you won't admit it and take it down tells everyone you are a
sinner and extremely immoral. Every minute it is up it is an
extreme embarassment to you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo, already
articulated the situation and told you and everyone else that
nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the
question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not
worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you
taking this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened.
Legalities aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a
piece of
property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to
you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain
what *you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't you?
What's up? No telephone?
Your God doesn't put people in hell if the fuzz don't get you first?
I am told to obey the powers that be. If the file is stolen property, then
that's a fuzz matter.
He's not using ethics words, he's accusing Jason of a felony, which is
actionable.
Then Gasbag better watch out as his calling Bill Butler a "thief" and
accusing him of "stealing" are archived.
(Doncha just love Google?)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Kate " |
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11 Apr 2005 11:34:11 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:48:37 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Kate whinged:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:50:59 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime -
and a sin. That you won't admit it and take it down
tells everyone you are a sinner and extremely immoral.
Every minute it is up it is an extreme embarassment to
you.
Obviously you are so sick and immoral you don't care.
Talk to the Bilbo. The web site host and webmaster, Bilbo,
already articulated the situation and told you and everyone
else that nothing illegal has happened and nothing illegal
is happening.
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the
question
of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that it's not
worth
pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully anticipated you taking
this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal" happened. Legalities
aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the file--a piece of
property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was publicly
available, it was specifically denied to you, and it was not public
*property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The file, being denied to
you,
was *stolen* *by* *you* when you engaged in a subterfuge to obtain what
*you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't you?
What's up? No telephone?
Your God doesn't put people in hell if the fuzz don't get you first?
I am told to obey the powers that be. If the file is stolen property, then
that's a fuzz matter.
He's not using ethics words, he's accusing Jason of a felony, which is
actionable.
Copyright violation is not a felony. It's a civil matter. It is still
theft. Apparently you don't follow your own ten commandments. You
must not really believe in them.
Satan loves you.
That's your experience, is it?
That's what your religion has been telling us. Are you now trying to
tell us that being a thief makes your god love you more?
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| User: "Carson West" |
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10 Apr 2005 12:01:19 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:17:09 -0500, Kate wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:50:59 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a
crime - and a sin.
[Snip]
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments,
the question of legality is an open one, and what has been
said is that it's not worth pursuing. However, I have to admit
that I fully anticipated you taking this route, and claiming
that nothing "illegal" happened. Legalities aside, Jason, you
were specifically denied the file--a piece of property
belonging to another person. It doesn't matter that it was
publicly available, it was specifically denied to you, and it
was not public *property* to be used as anyone saw fit. The
file, being denied to you, was *stolen* *by* *you* when you
engaged in a subterfuge to obtain what *you* *knew* was not
yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't
you?
Davey's still in his snit, I see. See how quickly that phony Christian
facade of "love" slips?
What's up? No telephone?
Your God doesn't put people in hell if the fuzz don't get you
first?
Satan loves you.
Sure he does.
As I said, the issue of legality is still up in the air, as Mark has said,
but at it's base, the file exists, it's the property of another person or
group of people, Jason was *specifically* barred from it, and he
circumvented that and took the file anyway. Traditionally, taking the
property of another person without the permission and consent of that
other person has been theft. It's really no diffferent here, and all of
the posturing and whining ("you'd better call the fuzz") won't change
that. There are lots of crooks out there who never get caught and never
get charged. That's the way of the world. Regardless, a thief is a thief.
Signed,
"ex-fuzz"
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| Title: Re: The Alt.Atheism List - Mirror It! |
10 Apr 2005 12:57:18 PM |
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In our last episode <pan.2005.04.10.17.01.17.942185@coxspambox.net>,
Carson West pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:17:09 -0500, Kate wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:50:59 +0200, "David" <nugatory@pension.com>
wrote:
Carson talked the usual cobblers:
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:53:41 -0700, Jason Gastrich wrote:
Kate wrote:
[Snip]
You stole the text and published it - that's a crime - and a sin.
[Snip]
As near as I've been able to determine from Mark's comments, the
question of legality is an open one, and what has been said is that
it's not worth pursuing. However, I have to admit that I fully
anticipated you taking this route, and claiming that nothing "illegal"
happened. Legalities aside, Jason, you were specifically denied the
file--a piece of property belonging to another person. It doesn't
matter that it was publicly available, it was specifically denied to
you, and it was not public *property* to be used as anyone saw fit.
The file, being denied to you, was *stolen* *by* *you* when you
engaged in a subterfuge to obtain what *you* *knew* was not yours.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
Oh, no. She's quite right. The file is stolen property.
In that case, Big Mouth, you'd better call the fuzz, then, hadn't you?
Davey's still in his snit, I see. See how quickly that phony Christian
facade of "love" slips?
What's up? No telephone?
Your God doesn't put people in hell if the fuzz don't get you first?
Satan loves you.
Sure he does.
As I said, the issue of legality is still up in the air, as Mark has said,
but at it's base, the file exists, it's the property of another person or
group of people, Jason was *specifically* barred from it, and he
circumvented that and took the file anyway. Traditionally, taking the
property of another person without the permission and consent of that
other person has been theft. It's really no diffferent here, and all of
the posturing and whining ("you'd better call the fuzz") won't change
that. There are lots of crooks out there who never get caught and never
get charged. That's the way of the world. Regardless, a thief is a
thief.
Signed,
"ex-fuzz"
At the end of the day, what it amounts to is that it simply wasn't
Gastrich's to do *anything with.
I thought the concept of "it's not yours, leave it alone" was something
one learned by kindergarten...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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